xaxat September 25, 2016 Share September 25, 2016 I am going to have to be sooo drunk to get through the debate tomorrow. 3 Link to comment
3pwood September 26, 2016 Share September 26, 2016 3 hours ago, GHScorpiosRule said: I missed the show, but I read an article this morning where Maddow called Conway a liar. There aren't enough words to express my utter delight and satisfaction at reading those words! Let's see if the bottle bleached blonde LIAR has the nerve to respond and/or appear on Maddow's show to defend her lying self. Where did you read it? Link to comment
GHScorpiosRule September 26, 2016 Share September 26, 2016 43 minutes ago, 3pwood said: Where did you read it? On MSNBC's website via my FB feed. Link to comment
3pwood September 26, 2016 Share September 26, 2016 Thanks -- still can't find it, Facebook mystifies me. I'd love to read it, though I do believe it anyhow. Link to comment
cattykit September 26, 2016 Share September 26, 2016 12 minutes ago, GHScorpiosRule said: On MSNBC's website via my FB feed. Are you talking about the time a few weeks ago when KAC claimed in her interview on TRMS that Roger Ailes was not assisting the campaign, and when it became crystal clear that was not true, Rachel angrily called her out on it? 1 Link to comment
car54 September 26, 2016 Share September 26, 2016 5 hours ago, Padma said: I have a question about the Scott video. It was so terrible to watch it, and I admit I was sympathetic with the family and critical of the police before I even knew much of anything about it. However, I do have a question that I haven't seen anyone talk about. When the wife calls to her husband near the end, she sounds pretty panicky, "Keith, don't do it!" "Don't do it, Keith!" It really sounded to me like she was trying to stop HIM from some kind of risky behavior (perhaps only risky because of all the police with guns, but still). Padma, I wondered about that too--I kind of heard several different things in her calling to him--there was that, there was her urging him to get out of the car before they broke the windows to get him out, but then in another part of the recording ( I can't remember if it was before she told him not to "do it" she called to the police that he didn't have a weapon--but he had an ankle holster for it so maybe she didn't know he had it with him. Link to comment
ebk57 September 26, 2016 Share September 26, 2016 2 hours ago, xaxat said: I am going to have to be sooo drunk to get through the debate tomorrow. I've already told Mr. ebk that he can watch here on the big TV - I have headphones and XM to listen to baseball... And I have wine. Lots of wine. 1 Link to comment
GHScorpiosRule September 26, 2016 Share September 26, 2016 1 hour ago, cattykit said: Are you talking about the time a few weeks ago when KAC claimed in her interview on TRMS that Roger Ailes was not assisting the campaign, and when it became crystal clear that was not true, Rachel angrily called her out on it? Yes. And now she's asked Bimbo to deny it since we've since learned she was in those meetings she said she wasn't involved in. 3 Link to comment
Padma September 26, 2016 Share September 26, 2016 1 hour ago, car54 said: Padma, I wondered about that too--I kind of heard several different things in her calling to him--there was that, there was her urging him to get out of the car before they broke the windows to get him out, but then in another part of the recording ( I can't remember if it was before she told him not to "do it" she called to the police that he didn't have a weapon--but he had an ankle holster for it so maybe she didn't know he had it with him. The "don't do it, Keith" (x2) came right at the end before the gunshots. All the other things before it were so consistent with him not being aggressive but that part got me wondering. Also, I didn't know he had an ankle holster--I know there's still confusion about whether there was a gun. But I wish someone would ask (or I'd hear it) about what she didn't want her husband to do because the shots came after. After watching Matthews' coverage of the pre-debate stuff tonight, I think I should start drinking now. He wants to find any reason to see DT as presidential. He's still got it in his head that he's some kind of working class champion. It's unbelievable, unless he never reads. Or never watches any other MSNBC anchors, which is possible. It's maddening to listen to him especially cutting off people like Gene and Howard F. who are both so much more informed. 4 Link to comment
33kaitykaity September 26, 2016 Share September 26, 2016 (edited) Chuck Todd had a panel of Mike Murphy, Gwen Ifill, Doris Kearns Goodwin, and Hugh Hewitt. Murphy is a GOP strategist, Hewitt is a RWNJ hate radio host. Ifill is a jounalist. Kearns Goodwin is a historian. Both of these people are ostensibly objective (or neutral if preferred). Uh, Chuckie, where was the 'balance'? The Democratic strategist and left-wing radio host? This is what is wrong with msnbc and the rest of the media. Edited September 26, 2016 by 33kaitykaity 9 Link to comment
Mumbles September 26, 2016 Share September 26, 2016 Another question is why does MTP have on the same people all the damn time. Doris and Mike Murphy date back to the Russert era. And neither are "press" strictly speaking. There are excellent political beat reporters from not only the major newspapers, but the smaller regional papers as well. In fact the regional reporters often have a fresher eye because they haven't been indoctrinated into the Beltway cult yet. This should NOT be a hard show to book! 1 Link to comment
Padma September 26, 2016 Share September 26, 2016 12 hours ago, 33kaitykaity said: Chuck Todd had a panel of Mike Murphy, Gwen Ifill, Doris Kearns Goodwin, and Hugh Hewitt. Murphy is a GOP strategist, Hewitt is a RWNJ hate radio host. Ifill is a jounalist. Kearns Goodwin is a historian. Both of these people are ostensibly objective (or neutral if preferred). Uh, Chuckie, where was the 'balance'? The Democratic strategist and left-wing radio host? This is what is wrong with msnbc and the rest of the media. Yes, Plouffe (or better) and Ed Schultz! Somehow that panel would have been "biased". I think Murphy gets some kind of "liberal stand in " points because of being against Trump. Not fair. (And Hewitt should be completely removed from the MSNBC line-up of guests. He's just a stooge for Trump with NO independent thought. And unpleasant to watch and listen to. ) We don't need political hacks on at all!!! Journalists, historians, professors, -- just try it sometime, MSNBC, okay? I'm so sick of people spinning garbage for a living. Why inflict it on us as "analysis"? 2 Link to comment
NextIteration September 26, 2016 Share September 26, 2016 (edited) MSNBC won't be inviting Ed Schultz on as a guest as long as he's a shill for Russia Today. Really wish that Hewitt was in the Fox bubble. As much as I hate Ted Cruz I can appreciate some of Rick Tyler's insights and as much as I despise Ben Ginsberg of Bush v Gore and Franken v Coleman fame, he can be insightful as well. Elise Jordan has generally been a delight and I usually appreciate Steve Schmidt and sometimes even Nicolle. Hewitt? He's just the male version of KellyAnne Conway. And as anti-Trump as he was, and astonished that Trump didn't know what the nuclear triad is, he's all rah rah for this monster now. In my mind both Tyler and Ginsberg will be voting for the unknown independent fella from Utah, if he's on their ballots, Jordan will vote for Johnson and I think that Schmidt and Wallace might ninja vote for Hillary. Edited September 26, 2016 by NextIteration Why do I always think it's Wilson not Tyler? 1 Link to comment
car54 September 26, 2016 Share September 26, 2016 I thought the same thing about Hewitt just now--he is so full of crap--I wish Fox would hire him so I'd never see him. I think Rick Tyler learned a LOT about politics from being cut from the Cruz campaign and I actually find him to be a decent commenter now. Steve Schmidt and Nicole Wallace are only tolerable when their guy isn't winning. Once they think they're doing ok, their heads explode. 3 Link to comment
stormy September 26, 2016 Share September 26, 2016 Hugh Hewitt has been elevated to premier status. He was Meet the Press Sunday. He's deplorable. 1 Link to comment
NextIteration September 26, 2016 Share September 26, 2016 (edited) 7 minutes ago, stormy said: Hugh Hewitt has been elevated to premier status. He was Meet the Press Sunday. He's deplorable. He's been on MTP a lot this cycle - he was also front and center at a bunch of the GOP debates, CNN and Fox I think. It was nice to hear that Carville has been made an MSNBC analyst, he's always good for a laugh. eta: I keep forgetting to mention that I'm finding all the Clinton/Kaine signs on the Hofstra campus encouraging, these are the kids she needs. Edited September 26, 2016 by NextIteration 3 Link to comment
car54 September 26, 2016 Share September 26, 2016 I love Carville, I felt glad to see him and Donna Brazile at the debate--feels like old home week. Chris Hayes did a nice job of bouncing Omarosa when she would not answer his birther question. Earlier today, one of the hosts did an informal poll of the students who came to watch and they had to look hard to find a Trump supporter. 8 Link to comment
Keepitmoving September 26, 2016 Share September 26, 2016 The signs are hilarious, like one on a sorry looking unevenly cut, cardboard paper that said,"The end is near..." By the looks of that cardboard paper, I'd agree. Then there's one with Hillary and Trump's face with the word "Yikes!" in between their faces. Then there was one saying something to the effect of I get my news from FoxNews... Funny. 2 Link to comment
stormy September 26, 2016 Share September 26, 2016 I'm getting pretty sick of how the republicans keep showing up and lowering the bar for trump. Is this a no win situation for Hillary? Link to comment
NewDigs September 27, 2016 Share September 27, 2016 BriWi. Why? And Andrea. At least we have Rachel. And Chris and Chris. And James. Yay! 1 Link to comment
car54 September 27, 2016 Share September 27, 2016 I'm getting a headache from grinding my teeth when Brian and Hugh talk and why the hell do they have Andrea Mitchell covering Hillary when she clearly dislikes her so much. Katie Tur is nicer about Trump and he told her to shut up once. 3 Link to comment
NewDigs September 27, 2016 Share September 27, 2016 Where the fuck is Lester? Shouldn't he be saying something? 6 Link to comment
Queena September 27, 2016 Share September 27, 2016 10 minutes ago, NewDigs said: Where the fuck is Lester? Shouldn't he be saying something? Exactly! 5 Link to comment
magdalene September 27, 2016 Share September 27, 2016 Isn't there supposed to be a moderator in this debate? 8 Link to comment
NewDigs September 27, 2016 Share September 27, 2016 (edited) Well, Lester is a democrat... :::eyeroll::: Edited September 27, 2016 by NewDigs 2 Link to comment
jjj September 27, 2016 Share September 27, 2016 (edited) Chris Hayes is doing the best live tweeting that I can find (there may be more!) https://twitter.com/chrislhayes/with_replies Can't tell where he is, but hope he is part of that large, large panel that BW told us about. Edited September 27, 2016 by jjj 2 Link to comment
Medicine Crow September 27, 2016 Share September 27, 2016 I don't know how Andrea Bitchell keeps her job when her reporting is soooo anti-Hillary & dripping with bias!!! Link to comment
NewDigs September 27, 2016 Share September 27, 2016 I wish some MSNBC sound people had coached Trump to not gasp through his nose. I remember this tic from a town hall they broadcast. Annoying. 1 Link to comment
Medicine Crow September 27, 2016 Share September 27, 2016 Just now, NewDigs said: I wish some MSNBC sound people had coached Trump to not gasp through his nose. I remember this tic from a town hall they broadcast. Annoying. I'm glad no one did ... he's sorely in need of some kind of "nose" therapy/surgery. 4 Link to comment
33kaitykaity September 27, 2016 Share September 27, 2016 Did he just invoke Hannity and Stern to defend himself? And she's standing there grinning -- keep digging, Donald. 10 Link to comment
car54 September 27, 2016 Share September 27, 2016 Best Debate ever. His people aren't going to see it, but I am hoping it will push the undecideds and young people her way. 5 Link to comment
jjj September 27, 2016 Share September 27, 2016 (edited) Ugh, did they have to go to Chris Christie? He will not deviate from his surrogate script. "If we are going to rely on the fact checkers, well, they have an agenda, too, and we can talk about them." Yes, an agenda to get at the truth. Edited September 27, 2016 by jjj 7 Link to comment
Padma September 27, 2016 Share September 27, 2016 So happy I missed Hewitt! Maybe he was on beforehand. I thought the Christie interview was kind of funny because you could tell the Trump camp wasn't happy (when they're happy, they're loud and obnoxious, not subdued and trying to sound reasonable). I was watching CNN for a while, turned to MSNBC afterwards, enjoyed Rachel, Gene, Schmidt, even Chuck, tolerating BriWi. Andrea, not so much. Flipped back to CNN which had come off the debate with Jake Tapper saying almost exactly what Todd did "first 30 min. very strong and then he faded and was often incoherent (or worse). I had to turn off Dana Bash whose idea of giving her "analysis" was to tell us what the Trump people just told her. Anyway, left CNN for MSNBC then returned to CNN where...there was a new panel...Jeffrey Lord, the obnoxious Trump blonde who isn't Kellyanne, and two Clinton surrogates. No one else, just the four of them arguing it out. What a hideous waste of airtime!!!! There is no purpose whatsoever in having that. Did the CNN anchors need a bathroom break? That was kind of a disgrace. Who wants to hear from THOSE people? At least the Schmidt-Tyler-Wallace's aren't CURRENT spokesmen for a particular campaign (Hewitt belongs with the CNN group or, as others said, on FOX). So even though I resent listening to surrogates on MSNBC, too, at least they're not actually working for the campaign (Hewitt is, but most of the others don't seem in it for Trump regardless of what happens, so they're tolerable.) And, just because I'm super partisan myself, I kind of loved Matthews saying how she hit it out of the park five times. No mincing words there! 4 Link to comment
GHScorpiosRule September 27, 2016 Share September 27, 2016 I watched this fucking debate stone cold sober, so I don't understand how so many think that Orangutan was good the first 45 minutes. It didn't take him long to resort to childhood tantrum, petulant behavior, interrupting, etc. Christie was a fucking joke, and I continue to remain confuzzled at the focus group that said they didn't like Hillary for...reasons. And from his responses in the Spin Room, that Orangutan thinks he "won" the debate. And wow, Nicolle Wallace was actually...tolerable. 16 Link to comment
Grommet September 27, 2016 Share September 27, 2016 Hugh Hewitt - UGH. In contrast, Pete Williams is always thoughtful and informative. 3 Link to comment
xaxat September 27, 2016 Share September 27, 2016 (edited) Paraphrasing Michael Beschloss "I expected Donald Trump to study and come out looking presidential" Dude, you're a historian. Have you looked at the history of this man? Loved Richard Engel comparing Trump's foreign policy to a Mafia extortion racket. (I noticed his title is Chief Foreign Correspondent. Isn't he their only foreign correspondent?) Edited September 27, 2016 by xaxat 10 Link to comment
car54 September 27, 2016 Share September 27, 2016 Michael Bechloss is the nicest, mildest person on NBC--if he says you are bad, you're really bad. 5 Link to comment
atomationage September 27, 2016 Share September 27, 2016 55 minutes ago, GHScorpiosRule said: It didn't take him long to resort to childhood tantrum, petulant behavior, interrupting, etc. And since he got away with that, there will probably be two more debates. I was watching to see if he threw a tantrum and went home, hopefully never to be seen again. I thought Hillary did well, but smiled way too much, while Donald's endless snivelling was annoying, I liked that she called him Donald. He started out with Secretary Clinton, but went back to Hillary later. I noticed recently that USHOR Speaker Ryan refers to him as Donald too. Link to comment
Jaded September 27, 2016 Author Share September 27, 2016 Richard Engel was just on and he looked exhausted to the point where I'm hoping he's ok. It also looked like he threw on his tie without checking to make sure it looked neat. His appearance kinda worried me for a second. Link to comment
jjj September 27, 2016 Share September 27, 2016 (edited) Richard Engel is in so many time zones that I always suspect he is so busy trying to figure out his local time and the local time at the other end of the camera. So, I don't worry about his appearance. Wow, just saw a dystopian advertisement on MSNBC from Trump & Co. with dark shadows, accusations, and comparison of HRC to Nixon. He's your party, Donald. Now they are showing the "stamina" section of the debate. I was thinking it would be cool (but very un-Presidential) to do what Jack Palance did at the Oscars many years ago, getting up to the podium and then proving his stamina by doing one-arm push-ups on stage. Edited September 27, 2016 by jjj 3 Link to comment
cattykit September 27, 2016 Share September 27, 2016 9 minutes ago, jjj said: Wow, just saw a dystopian advertisement on MSNBC from Trump & Co. with dark shadows, accusations, and comparison of HRC to Nixon. He's your party, Donald. Now they are showing the "stamina" section of the debate. I was thinking it would be cool (but very un-Presidential) to do what Jack Palance did at the Oscars many years ago, getting up to the podium and then proving his stamina by doing one-arm push-ups on stage. I am surprised at the number of Drumpf ads running on MSNBC. Somehow that doesn't seem to be me to be his target audience. I don't watch it, but does anyone know if Hillary's campaign runs ads on Faux News? I think it would have funny, but probably would have been considered a low blow, if HRC had obsequiously inquired after Drumpf's health, with all the sniffling he did. Chris Matthews insisting HRC pitched a five run shutout is somewhat surprising coming from him. I felt bad for Rachel having to co-anchor with BriWi (who said 'corollarily' again! Irk!). The post-midnight panel hosted now by CM is much more interesting than the earlier one with Rachel and BriWi. I watched the debate live on C-span, which didn't do split screen, so I'm fascinated by the discussion of the impact of the split screen as shown on the networks. 2 Link to comment
Queena September 27, 2016 Share September 27, 2016 Watching the rebroadcast, it appears that Trump was upset with his family and staff after the debate. Wallace tried to say that maybe they were discussing take out, Maddow thought that it was something more. I agree with Maddow. I hope that they were telling him that he sucked! Did anyone see Howard Dean's tweet? 4 Link to comment
movingtargetgal September 27, 2016 Share September 27, 2016 On 9/25/2016 at 9:51 PM, car54 said: On 9/25/2016 at 4:42 PM, Padma said: Sorry I can't delete these quote boxes. Chris Matthews was SO happy after the debate. It was a huge contrast to his reaction after the first presidential debate between Mitt and Obama in 2012. CHris was so upset I was afraid he would have a stroke on air. Link to comment
candall September 27, 2016 Share September 27, 2016 (edited) 8 hours ago, jjj said: Chris Hayes is doing the best live tweeting that I can find (there may be more!) https://twitter.com/chrislhayes/with_replies Can't tell where he is, but hope he is part of that large, large panel that BW told us about. Okay, good to know. I'm not adept at Twitter, so I just found Bill Maher and stayed. (Nothing to write home about. >g<) I was not happy to hear they had Chris Christie lined up, but I ended up content that he was so uncomfortable--he was close to running his forefinger around the inside of his shirt collar. And then Carville came along with his avuncular chuckle, all loosey-goosey in front of his cacti--and obliterated Christie like a dry-erase board being wiped. Quote I had to turn off Dana Bash whose idea of giving her "analysis" was to tell us what the Trump people just told her. Did you see Kelleyanne Conway? When she was interviewed after the debate, she just kept saying, "No, he said ___________________"--and then proceeded to quote him word-for-word. Extremely poor spin performance. As usual, I'd like to be curled up with a glass of wine on the end of Rachel Maddow's couch when she gets home, so I could be privy to her unabridged thoughts. . Edited September 27, 2016 by candall threw in some Conway shade--never enough of that. 8 Link to comment
car54 September 27, 2016 Share September 27, 2016 I wonder if Howard Dean is going to get in trouble at MSNBC for his tweet wondering if Trump was sniffing because he'd done cocaine. I feel like Chris Matthews is getting very wandery and vague---I think they had Chris Hayes out there with him to help keep him on track. Big Chris was certainly very excited at how things went down. 3 Link to comment
xaxat September 27, 2016 Share September 27, 2016 I think the most surprising thing about the post debate analysis was how surprised many analysts were that Trump wasn't more "presidential". Have they been watching the guy for the last year? During the first years of the Gulf War, columnist Tom Friedman wrote a series of editorials in which he declared "The next six months are crucial to determining the outcome. . " Six months would pass with no significant change and Friedman would again write "The next six months. . ." He eventually became the object of ridicule for his repeated incorrect predictions. All of the analysts who repeatedly talk about a pivot for the Trump campaign should be subjected to similar ridicule. 8 Link to comment
NextIteration September 27, 2016 Share September 27, 2016 Best part of the after debate spin/antics for me was Chris Christie's flop sweat v James Carville cool as a cuke demeanor. 7 Link to comment
bad things are bad September 27, 2016 Share September 27, 2016 Went to the Fox News website to see if they were having a cow about the Cat Stevens Jeep ad. Saw headline that their poll said Trump won the debate, didn't have the heart to go any further. Oh please let Howard Dean's tweet turn into something... 2 Link to comment
jjj September 27, 2016 Share September 27, 2016 (edited) Totally agree that the media set the bar so much lower for Trump than Clinton -- and MSNBC let the spin happen beforehand (for a week) that "of course Hillary will do better, she has prepared and Trump will be Trump". So, she *had* to do better just to stay even. This was set up so that Clinton was expected to appear with her pencil case and color-coded folders and PowerPoint slides in her head, while Trump was expected to show up looking for a place to spit out his gum and high-five all the relatives and white males he could find. And both of those then would have fulfilled expectations. And they did. Edited September 27, 2016 by jjj 13 Link to comment
Medicine Crow September 27, 2016 Share September 27, 2016 .... and if all else fails, bring on Andrea Bitchell to condemn everything Hillary said & did. LOL. (She was out of the "public eye" for two weeks prior to the debate for "preparation".) 7 Link to comment
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