anadyr21 December 22, 2015 Share December 22, 2015 Thanks to those who explained why GOT and The Expanse were unfair comparisons. Special thanks to Danny Franks, who probably gave the most detailed, articulate reasons that I've read, thus far, beyond some general, superficial differences. Link to comment
Terrafamilia December 24, 2015 Share December 24, 2015 Closed captioning is my bff! Unfortunately, when I was watching it (DVR) the closed captions were a bit ahead of the actual dialogue which was quite distracting. Link to comment
Noirprncess December 24, 2015 Share December 24, 2015 Just watched this last night, and I really enjoyed it! But man, I can't hear anything they are saying!! And I don't know any of the character's names. So... I'm mostly just confused. Not giving anything away here BUT I watched it twice then watched all four episodes available on demand. It really makes more sense with 1-2 episodes. The first time I watched, I didn't see all of the details, reactions and such. Plus closed captioning helps. Link to comment
zxy556575 December 24, 2015 Share December 24, 2015 Not giving anything away here BUT I watched it twice then watched all four episodes available on demand. It really makes more sense with 1-2 episodes. The first time I watched, I didn't see all of the details, reactions and such. Plus closed captioning helps. They're expecting a lot from us, especially with all the slang and Pidgin. I had to put in the effort to watch the episodes twice as well. I liked the concept enough to do so, but it may be driving some viewers away. Link to comment
Noirprncess December 24, 2015 Share December 24, 2015 They're expecting a lot from us, especially with all the slang and Pidgin. I had to put in the effort to watch the episodes twice as well. I liked the concept enough to do so, but it may be driving some viewers away. Thankfully I can say that episode one is the only one you may feel the need to watch twice so you don't feel lost. Link to comment
supposebly December 25, 2015 Share December 25, 2015 (edited) I did have to watch it twice too and it seems worth it. Headphones help too. But I still think it's too dark. One shouldn't have to watch twice to figure out what's on the screen or what is being said. I gave it a few more episodes and it improved for me overall. Right now, none of the characters are in any way intriguing and I couldn't help comparing with BSG where the characters just jumped off the screen in their first scenes and intrigued me. These here just seem flat and cliche. Edited December 25, 2015 by supposebly 1 Link to comment
Raja December 26, 2015 Share December 26, 2015 Nobody knows what form future language will take of course, so they just pick a language randomly to represent it. The Jamaican lilt when speaking English is a good compromise - signals difference yet is still understandable. I think it's cool that they try, years ago everybody would have just spoken standard US English in such a show. Martians still speak English though. Have to strike a balance, can't be subtitling major characters. Real world production concerns Perhaps because so many of the cast are Canadian and a riff off of French is an easier second language for them? Link to comment
Vermicious Knid December 27, 2015 Share December 27, 2015 GoT is also premium cable and this is basic cable. The zero g sex scene was the only part that invites the comparison IMO. Have now read Leviathan Wakes and things make more sense. I had to stop on page 28 and go back and rewatch the first 15 minutes. Did not catch that was Julie Mao we see at the beginning, didn't see the name of the ship stenciled on her coverall so there was no association when they named the Scopuli later. Also watched through episode 4 On Demand. I will probably stick with the first season but don't feel the need to catch it as broadcast. Why change Ade who was Nigerian into a white blond girl? There was no purpose to that. Also the book and series are conflating the outer planets and the asteroid belt which I would consider completely different. In the book the Captain answers the distress call in accordance with naval custom, there's none of Holden sneaking around to log the call, nor is he the reluctant acting XO. Is this just to emphasize he's the type to bull ahead and do what he thinks is right without considering the consequences? And I can't figure why they later throw in the part about Naomi being a suspected OPA spy. That has no bearing on anything else, unless they plan wholesale changes in the plot. 2 Link to comment
kieyra December 28, 2015 Share December 28, 2015 I should thereotically love this, especially since CJ Cherryh is my favorite author and the DNA of her Merchanter universe is all over this, but I'm two episodes in and have very little sense of who is who or WTF is going on because everyone is mumbling. I know sound mix issues have been mentioned, but it's almost like they directed everyone: "talk real soft so it seems more gritty and realistic". It also feels very much "plot over character", which belies the BSG comparisons to me, but maybe that would be less true if I could hear the dialogue or learn anyone's name. 1 Link to comment
Lion December 28, 2015 Share December 28, 2015 (edited) Why change Ade who was Nigerian into a white blond girl? Also the book and series are conflating the outer planets and the asteroid belt which I would consider completely different. In the book the Captain answers the distress call in accordance with naval custom, there's none of Holden sneaking around to log the call, nor is he the reluctant acting XO. Is this just to emphasize he's the type to bull ahead and do what he thinks is right without considering the consequences? And I can't figure why they later throw in the part about Naomi being a suspected OPA spy. That has no bearing on anything else, unless they plan wholesale changes in the plot. The Ade thing annoyed me. The book series has an extremely diverse cast of characters. I just hope this whitewashing of characters of color doesn't continue. To the highlighted, no, it's the same. The OPA in the books and the show both appear to consist of all inhabited areas beyond Mars. The spoilered section I'm taking to the book talk thread as it brings up things that are in other episodes and future books. Edited December 28, 2015 by Lion Link to comment
halgia December 28, 2015 Share December 28, 2015 Why change Ade who was Nigerian into a white blond girl? There was no purpose to that.I'd forgotten she was Nigerian in the book, but that's sad. Kind of exacerbated by half of her character's onscreen purpose being the zero-g sex scene. I think they've been pretty good otherwise on that front, though.Also the book and series are conflating the outer planets and the asteroid belt which I would consider completely different. no, it's the same. The OPA in the books and the show both appear to consist of all inhabited areas beyond Mars. They're definitely "geographically" distinct, but in the economy of the Expanse they serve similar purposes and are populated by similar people. The gas giants themselves are difficult to tap, but their moons function similarly to the big planetoids in the Belt like Ceres. 1 Link to comment
SmithW6079 January 31, 2016 Share January 31, 2016 What is SyFy's fascination with floating sex?What's with TWoPers' (and PTVers') fascination with rape? Link to comment
cynic February 1, 2016 Share February 1, 2016 What's with TWoPers' (and PTVers') fascination with rape? That seems kinda ...random. What do you mean? 6 Link to comment
jhlipton March 11, 2016 Share March 11, 2016 I've been binge-watching and I'm up to episode 8, so can give a bit of spoilered insight into "Dulcinea": In episode 7, we find that Holden is a fan of Cervantes, and still thinks that Don Quixote is a comedy, not a tragedy. As such, he would see "Dulcinea" as the the fine lady, not the woman of the street. He sees his ship as more than a bucket of bolts, and the "Mickies" as more than just thugs. Link to comment
marys1000 February 17, 2018 Share February 17, 2018 (edited) For binge able shows I like a general discussion thread because I don't always want to do a ep by ep discussion but since there isn't I'll just say I started this last night. Got up to about ep 5 and I like it quite a bit. Didn't know about it till just a few days ago. Was surprised by the number of recognized actors I saw. Lately I've been having trouble finding something that holds my interest. The number of started shows and movies is quite high, just...oh this has been done to death, to slow, whatever. Feeling my age I guess. Glad I found thid. Edited February 17, 2018 by marys1000 2 Link to comment
Haleth February 17, 2018 Share February 17, 2018 Enjoy! It's a great ride. I'm looking forward to season 3 coming this spring. Link to comment
marys1000 February 17, 2018 Share February 17, 2018 On 12/24/2015 at 1:53 AM, Lord Donia said: They're expecting a lot from us, especially with all the slang and Pidgin. I had to put in the effort to watch the episodes twice as well. I liked the concept enough to do so, but it may be driving some viewers away. I think you can ignore it, body language and the regular english give enough context. They just throw it in there for "realism" I guess. Very Firefly. 1 Link to comment
marys1000 February 17, 2018 Share February 17, 2018 On 12/27/2015 at 7:47 PM, kieyra said: I should thereotically love this, especially since CJ Cherryh is my favorite author and the DNA of her Merchanter universe is all over this, but I'm two episodes in and have very little sense of who is who or WTF is going on because everyone is mumbling. I know sound mix issues have been mentioned, but it's almost like they directed everyone: "talk real soft so it seems more gritty and realistic". It also feels very much "plot over character", which belies the BSG comparisons to me, but maybe that would be less true if I could hear the dialogue or learn anyone's name. I love CJ Cherry too! And Elizabeth Moon (Sassinak and Sheepfarmers Daughter). As for zero g sex - didn't look too realistic to me. Every push would result in a lot of movement whereas they just stayed in place. 1 Link to comment
Dobian August 31, 2019 Share August 31, 2019 (edited) I just finished one of my shows and I'm starting this one since I heard so much about it. Way too overwhelmed with the number of characters in the opener, and trying to place names to faces. Very plot-heavy and most of the characters are interchangeable. But it's the first episode, so plot is going to take priority. I expect it will slow down a bit and I'll start to get to know who these people are. Edited September 2, 2019 by Dobian typo Link to comment
MissLucas August 31, 2019 Share August 31, 2019 I admit that I felt a bit overwhelmed at the beginning too - it's the curse of book adaptations. Since I'm not patient enough to wait I went digging for answers on the net. It helped but there's always the risk of getting spoiled. If you read episode threads here lots of things will probably get clarified without spoilers. Enjoy! Link to comment
JZL September 1, 2019 Share September 1, 2019 On 8/31/2019 at 11:04 AM, Dobian said: I just finished one of my shows and I'm starting this one since I heard so much about it. Way too overwhelmed with the number of characters in the opener, and trying to place names to faces. Very plot-heavy and most of the characters are interchangeable. But it's the first episode, so plot is going to take priority. I expect it will slow down and bit and I'll start to get to know who these people are. At the very least stick with it through ep4, "CQB." (Close Quarters Combat) Link to comment
Dobian September 2, 2019 Share September 2, 2019 6 hours ago, JZL said: At the very least stick with it through ep4, "CQB." (Close Quarters Combat) Well I've watched three episodes now and I really liked two and three so I'm sticking with it. 2 Link to comment
bethy December 28, 2020 Share December 28, 2020 I just finished the first season and went back immediately and started a rewatch. Like others I was pretty confused the first time I watched (I was also multi-tasking, which I’ve learned isn’t wise with this show), but on rewatch I’m enjoying seeing the seeds that were planted from the very beginning that are tied to the bigger storylines. 1 Link to comment
Ziggy December 28, 2020 Share December 28, 2020 1 hour ago, bethy said: I just finished the first season and went back immediately and started a rewatch. Like others I was pretty confused the first time I watched (I was also multi-tasking, which I’ve learned isn’t wise with this show), but on rewatch I’m enjoying seeing the seeds that were planted from the very beginning that are tied to the bigger storylines. I was definitely overwhelmed at first. I think I actually wrote down all the character's names and kept my list handy for a few episodes. Then I discovered I was having trouble remember the names of the ships 🙂 But I do love this show! I've done a couple of rewatches, and I love them every time. 2 Link to comment
Holmbo December 29, 2020 Share December 29, 2020 On 12/28/2020 at 3:55 AM, Ziggy said: I was definitely overwhelmed at first. I think I actually wrote down all the character's names and kept my list handy for a few episodes. Then I discovered I was having trouble remember the names of the ships 🙂 But I do love this show! I've done a couple of rewatches, and I love them every time. Amazon prime shows the name of each character and actor on the screen when you pause. So at least new viewers who watch first on prime will have that for help 1 Link to comment
bethy December 30, 2020 Share December 30, 2020 12 hours ago, Holmbo said: Amazon prime shows the name of each character and actor on the screen when you pause. So at least new viewers who watch first on prime will have that for help I’ve been using that to help me with who some of the actors are, but not for the characters. 🤦🏼♀️ Great idea! Link to comment
Ziggy December 31, 2020 Share December 31, 2020 On 12/29/2020 at 5:29 PM, Holmbo said: Amazon prime shows the name of each character and actor on the screen when you pause. So at least new viewers who watch first on prime will have that for help Oooh! Good point. I have watched the entire series as it aired, so I did watch the first season on SyFy. Link to comment
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