B&B: What's Up Today at Forrester Creations? - Daily Chat

[RuntheTable]

45 minutes ago, Chatty Cake said:

Such a bummer that based on the previews, Steffys back in the office harassing Hope about not becoming her mother. Shut up! Why do they act like Steffys mother didn’t sleep with the same exact men as Brooke? 

How about something different? 

It's as if we had different writers for a week or two, and now next week we are back to "those writers." 

[SweePea59]

I'm really bummed that it looks like we're going to get more of Ploopy. I was so hoping this would be the end of her. If we're stuck with the character could they PLEASE recast with someone who can act? She is the worst. She is terrible. Nothing she does or says makes Ploopy into a believable character, or even a believable human being. No matter what they write in the script.

And then there is the joke they're pulling on us with this wretched recasted anti Taylor. Not only is she the wrong age for the character, the wrong height and build for the character, but she is very unattractive (not a Taylor trait when you look at the first two Taylors), and the more I see this person "act", the less and less impressed I am. She's not good, to put it mildly. She brings nothing to the role. There is no reason anyone could say, "well at least she...", or come up with any redeeming quality to make any excuses for this. I hope they come to their senses like they did with that awful Thorne they had for a short time. They made a big fuss over getting the guy, and he was so terrible in the role they wrote Thorne right back out. Taylor is over. They killed her again with this recast.

[Js Nana]

10 minutes ago, SweePea59 said:

but she is very unattractive

I would not assess Rebecca Budig's physical appearance as unattractive.

[Js Nana]

On 9/3/2024 at 2:07 PM, backhometome said:

She would still get that lavish life style with RJ. 

Well, $Bill is an independent adult whose lifestyle is funded by his own fortune, while RJ is a child working in his family's business.

[SweePea59]

5 hours ago, Js Nana said:

I would not assess Rebecca Budig's physical appearance as unattractive.

I wouldn't either, but I was being polite. 

[hypnotoad]

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this wretched recasted anti Taylor. Not only is she the wrong age for the character, the wrong height and build for the character, but she is very unattractive (not a Taylor trait when you look at the first two Taylors), and the more I see this person "act", the less and less impressed I am. She's not good, to put it mildly. She brings nothing to the role.

While I do think this recast is pretty bad, I'd never call RB unattractive. She is too young for the role and frankly i think she looks younger than JMW. I think overall she's a capable actress, but I don't think they've given her much to do so far. I mean she's only gotten to complain about Hope.

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It's as if we had different writers for a week or two, and now next week we are back to "those writers." 

It seems pretty typical for this show. The writers will briefly do something a bit different for a couple of weeks but we always, always default back to the same old, same old. I can hardly wait for endless conversations again about Hope kissing Finn or how courageous Steffy is to survive the cage.

When KA was playing Taylor, I thought she had good chemistry with SK and I would have welcomed a Taylor/Deacon thing. If they plan on keeping RB, let's see if she has chemistry with Deacon or Bill or someone else. Anyone other than Ridge. I cannot stand Brooke and Ridge but the show seems determined to keep them together, so free Taylor. Or bring back KA and then free Taylor!

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Why do they act like Steffys mother didn’t sleep with the same exact men as Brooke? 

Because they are a bunch of hypocrites!!

[NinjaPenguins]

I would watch a week’s worth of Poppy before I watched five minutes of Steffy bullying and slut shaming Hope. I wanted to turn the show back on in case Katie got her face cracked for being spectacularly wrong, but the previews showed the same tired, played out garbage. Steffy condescendingly telling Hope she won’t let her turn into her mother ain’t it and never will be. 

[Crashcourse]

Poppy and RJ are horrible actors and should have been cast as zombies on The Walking Dead.  

[Anna Yolei]

Steffy lecturing Hope about turning into Brooke might have stuck a bit better if Steffy hasn't beaten her to the punch fifteen years ago. 😒

Naw, actually Steffy is worse than Brooke in her heyday ever was. While I don't blame anyone for being tired of her "following my heart" destiny nonsense that gets people close to her hurt, generally the men she's gone after are in relations that were already on life support (ie Thorne, Eric and even Deacon, whose marriage to Bridge was a sham from jump) or in Ridge's care because he spent a significant amount of time leading her on for one reason or another.  Her jumping into Nick and Taylor's marriage was one notable exception.

Steffy OTOH left Marcus for Rick because reasons, chased after a happily married Owen just cuz, threw herself at Oliver because he was Hope's man while also being interested in a very married Bill (who ill posit as being the only man I ever bought Steffy truly being in love with for who they were, and that includes Finn). Liam being a spineless tool is the only one of the bunch who fell for the okie-doke. And while I can't completely fault Steffy for assuming Liam would run off with Ivy after one fight, that she jumped right to Wyatt speaks volumes. Finn is the only man she's ever gotten honestly and even then she's let Liam run ramshot across that.

So for her to give self righteous advice is the absolute height of comedy. 

[Js Nana]

18 hours ago, SweePea59 said:

I was being polite. 

You were being something, SweePea59, but I wouldn't describe it as polite.

[backhometome]

Aww Hayes looks just like Finn.

Ridge is certainly touchy feely with Taylor. 🤨

Really like Brookes blazer. Such a pretty color. 

Hope still being a weirdo. 

Finn, you didn't set this in motion. 🙄 It was Steffy being a busy body, per usual. She didn't have to follow Luna home. But of course its always on him and she never does any wrong. 

[GHScorpiosRule]

ZZZZZZZ......

Oh, I'm sorry. Did I fall asleep?

Katie can MISS ME, with her obsessive stalking of Poppy as a killer, and acting as if she had NO ROLE in how Bill's world imploded. And TEETH Will can also STFU.

Oh, so Bill does have another emotion besides schmoopy poopy and DUH?

STFU Liam.

STFU Brooke. Like you can automatically turn off feelings of attractions short of learning said eye of attraction raped you, murdered someone, or anything just as heinous. Tell me, Brooke. Were you able to turn OFF your attraction for Ridge when he was engaged/married to Caroline? or that heifer Taylor?

Oh, so now Luna "needs help" instead of paying for her crimes?

[Cool Breeze]

8 hours ago, GHScorpiosRule said:

Oh, so now Luna "needs help" instead of paying for her crimes?

Yup.  We know where this is headed.

I have to say I appreciate the nuance of the relationship between the Nozawa sisters.  Li can be disdainful of her sister's pursuit of monied men and living a lifestyle she doesn't agree with and hold the unwavering belief her sister is not a murderer who must feel bereft that her daughter has committed a series of heinous actions.  (And the scene with them and the Forresters at Steffy's was actually touching.)

I wish there were similar nuance to the Batie relationship.  Sure, $Bill is an easy target because he had feelings for his wife's sister.  Which is objectionable.  And caused his wife great pain.  But Katie is hardly perfect.  She's controlling.  (And phenomenally insecure.  And smug).  Maybe she could take some of the blame for their dysfunctional relationship.  That'd be a nice change of pace.

Edited September 10 by Cool Breeze

[KerleyQ]

Does any parent/child relationship on this show have even minimally appropriate boundaries? Watching this show sometimes makes me wonder what the dynamics must be like in the Bell family. 

Do the writers really not notice how they write Steffy and Finn's marriage?  Even today, which was supposed to be all schmoopy, pay attention to that dialogue.  It's all about what Finn does for her. He really loves her. He will always save her. He will do anything for her. 

I'll give them some credit, I'm legitimately surprised that Steffy didn't go all supernova bitch on Poppy. I was fully expecting her to remember all the shit Luna said about how the way Poppy raised her led to all of this, and go off on her. 

Side note: Did they pay so much to land Rebecca Budig that some backstage cuts needed to be made, like, say, the wig department?  Because what the hell was that cheapass thing on Steffy's head today? 

We are clearly on the clock for Ridge, Mr. "what kind of person kisses someone else's husband" to start cheating on Brooke with Taylor, right?  Did they spend the night together so they could go over to Steffy's house first thing in the morning?  And the way he was standing physically attached to her the whole time?  He knows damn well that it's only a matter of time before she makes a play for him, or has Steffy make that play for her, and he's not doing a single damn thing to discourage or prevent it. He can fuck all the way off with his judgements about Hope. 

Now that they've used the Luna story to remind us that Sinn is the greatest (one sided) love story in all of soap history, we're back to it being about Katie and Will, along with the long ago dead and buried Batie relationship. It'll be kind of hilarious if Katie finally gets the decks cleared of Poppy just in time for Ridge to revert to form and waffle over to Taylor, leaving Brooke single and available for Bill. 

Despite the fact that I'd rather watch Poppy do anything than endure the seven hundred lines per week regaling us with the wonders of Steffy, if we're not going to get a Finn is Luna's daddy reveal, Poppy really doesn't have anything remotely interesting to do on the show. 

On 9/8/2024 at 11:43 AM, Anna Yolei said:

Steffy lecturing Hope about turning into Brooke might have stuck a bit better if Steffy hasn't beaten her to the punch fifteen years ago. 😒

Naw, actually Steffy is worse than Brooke in her heyday ever was. While I don't blame anyone for being tired of her "following my heart" destiny nonsense that gets people close to her hurt, generally the men she's gone after are in relations that were already on life support (ie Thorne, Eric and even Deacon, whose marriage to Bridge was a sham from jump) or in Ridge's care because he spent a significant amount of time leading her on for one reason or another.  Her jumping into Nick and Taylor's marriage was one notable exception.

Steffy OTOH left Marcus for Rick because reasons, chased after a happily married Owen just cuz, threw herself at Oliver because he was Hope's man while also being interested in a very married Bill (who ill posit as being the only man I ever bought Steffy truly being in love with for who they were, and that includes Finn). Liam being a spineless tool is the only one of the bunch who fell for the okie-doke. And while I can't completely fault Steffy for assuming Liam would run off with Ivy after one fight, that she jumped right to Wyatt speaks volumes. Finn is the only man she's ever gotten honestly and even then she's let Liam run ramshot across that.

So for her to give self righteous advice is the absolute height of comedy. 

I'd pay good money for Hope to sit Taylor, Ridge, and their bitchass daughter down and say exactly all of this. 

Edited September 10 by KerleyQ

[Waldo13]

Who’s more sickening, Stuffy or Katie.  New Will and new Taylor is almost up there with those two.

Liam you are the ultimate schmuck. Katie will always be there for you?  WTF?  How many times has Katie turned her back on him.  No Katie, Bill is still the same but you only want him when someone else comes into his life and it’s to your advantage. 

I sure hope they move on but it’s still going to be all about Stuffy day in and day out.  

 

[RuntheTable]

Talk about sticking a fork in it, all of this drama just to remind Steffy how much Finn is her lapdog loves her? My opinion is if it takes the murder of two people, the kidnapping of another, and destroying another person's character to prove that, then there is some kind of fundamental problem in that relationship. 

And just as I suspected, Finn dumps everything on Hope and his inability to follow orders, completely absolving Steffy of any accountability. She was the one who convicted you of Hope's actions. She was the one who once again had to run away from you and your marriage because she wasn't getting her way. She was the one who had to run to Liam to fill him in on all the intimate details of your marriage. She was the one who took off after Luna without letting anyone know where she was going. And ultimately, she was the one who poked the bear and wound up as The Bitch in a Box. 

Everyone is always yammering on about what a great mom Steffy is. Really? Does a great mom continue to put herself in dangerous and precarious situations that are not necessary? How many times has she charged into Deacon's apartment yelling and punching Sheila? Then there was the alley confrontation that nearly cost her life. And what was it all about? Pulling rank and showing who is in charge, just like her namesake always did. 

It has been two days, and I am already over all the kumbaya stuff. 

Fuck off Taylor, telling Poppy to stop talking about Luna, and not to be a victim. UGH! I mean seriously, you fucking bitch! All you do is talk and whine about your two horrid brats, both of whom have blood on their hands, but they have never murdered two people and set you up to take the fall. So, until you experience that level of betrayal from one of your kids, you need to keep your worthless psychobabble to yourself. 

Edited September 10 by RuntheTable

[nkotb]

When I was watching Brooke yesterday, all I could think of was: if the role was reversed, & Hope & Finn had been happily married parents all of these years, then Steffy kissed Finn, causing all of the chaos that ensued, there is absolutely no way that Taylor, the world-renowned mental health professional, would be dissuading Steffy from perusing Finn, like Brooke was with Hope. She’d encourage Steffy to be there for Finn, & reassure Steffy that it wasn’t her fault for kissing Finn (it’s not Hope’s fault, in my opinion, but I bet she gets blamed), & do whatever she could to ensure Steffy got Hope’s man. I like RB, but I wish she’d come on a new character, Steffy has enough cheerleaders.

[donovan]

A whole show where everyone sits around and sings Steffy's praises.  sigh

Boooooring. 

[NinjaPenguins]

Did Finn fix his stupid face to claim he should have listened to Steffy’s dire warnings about Hope and that Hope kissing him set the whole chain of events in motion? Eat shit, Dr. Dumbass.

Get a life, Will.

[backhometome]

Love that no one invited Liam to the party. 😂 Even Deacon got an invite. 

Did we really need and episode of Steffy recapping everything to everyone.

I think Bill/Poppy are a good match. (Poppy's hair is cute)

Hope continues to be pathetic over Finn. Cant she listen to her mother (who is for once correct) and move on.

[Crashcourse]

Shallow alert:  I wish Don Diamont would skip the hair dye because I saw some photos of him with his natural gray hair, and he looks even hotter.  So, be the silver fox that you are $Bill!

[nkotb]

Meant to mention this in my last post, but it’s kind of annoying that we were subjected to months of scenes of RJ being schmoooy, barely any personality, just there in a kids’ t-shirt, filling in the scene, worshipping Luna. But, I genuinely would’ve liked to see his reaction that Luna was not only a killer, but that she framed her mom for the murders, was ickily in love with $Bill, & kidnapped his sister, with the intention of killing her. How could they not show that?? 
 

Also, I’m all for forgiveness, but even if Luna was a willing participant in sleeping with Zende, he still knowingly slept with his cousin’s girlfriend. Not cool, no apology hug necessary.

Taylor has balls, side-eyeing Hope while she’s playing the happy wife with Brooke’s man (Bridge didn’t remarry, correct?). I’ll say it again, TK absolutely lights up around RB, I wish they would’ve brought her as anyone but drippy Taylor. 

[CharlizeCat]

32 minutes ago, nkotb said:

TK absolutely lights up around RB,

Well, of course, she appears to be a good 20 years younger than he is. Us older broads don't count.

Edited September 10 by CharlizeCat

[ByTor]

4 hours ago, Crashcourse said:

Shallow alert:  I wish Don Diamont would skip the hair dye because I saw some photos of him with his natural gray hair, and he looks even hotter.  So, be the silver fox that you are $Bill!

The same thing happened with Ronn Moss. He looked even younger with the natural gray.

[Artsda]

Wasn't Eric in love with Luna basically and he throws a Steffy party and RJ who was in love with Luna even is there. 

That was just odd. Steffy invited Deacon, was nice to Logan's. 

I wish Deacon would have been told on screen about Luna. 

 

[Waldo13]

WTF?  Things had to go from 🤢🤮 to 🤢🤢🤢🤮.  A party for Stuffy’s triumphant return and a blow by blow description of what Luna did to her. Give me a fucking break.  What Stuffy does best is being a first class bitch.  

Of course nobody suspected Luna until the monkeys with a keyboard decided the talented young actress had to go because she was outshining the queen bee, Stuffy.  

Poppy is out and most likely Katie is back in. By the way, where is Katie. I’m surprised she’s not there gloating. 

 

 

 

[Peppermint]

All during Poppy's apology tour with $Bill he never touched her, comforted her, held her until the very end. Guess their "magical night of love " is well and truly over. Welcome back, Katie.

Do nu-nu-Taylor and Ridge remember who's bed Ridge is sleeping in at night, marriage be damned ?? Even in front of Brooke, they had their hands all over each other. 

Hope had the absolute brass to SPEAK to Finn at Steffy's "Congratulations on being rescued party". And Steffy was no where near them !! And when Steffy and Finn were canoodling across the room...that was definitely a "do those people have any bunnies ?? " look that Hope was giving them. 

Show, don't even TRY to retro-correct the RJ/virgin thing...the Zende/misunderstanding thing...the obvious surprise when Lunatictac discovered the backpack...and on and on...not buyin' it. Y'all decided to change horses midstream,  and everybody got wet. Towel off and move on.

[NinjaPenguins]

I think Eric just really enjoys throwing parties. If only he could throw one that wasn’t so painful to watch.

RJ bowing and scraping before her highness, Queen Steffy, and apologizing for something not even remotely his fault was super special. Steffy playing Lady Bountiful, granting absolution and tossing around blessings like confetti, really took everything to the next level. And, hey, everyone remembered that Tom and Hollis died! The sincerity with which everyone acknowledged the murdered men was so authentic. Not.

I had to cut out when Brooke and Donna began their ritual polishing of Steffy’s halo.

Regarding Monday, did I hear Liam claim that Katie was in any way right about Bill’s situation; she just had the wrong woman? And then he claimed Katie risked her life to protect him? Wut. Katie was never in any danger, unless you can overdose on smug. She was the perfect tool for Luna to use to frame her mother. It wasn’t some little mistake, either. Katie, with an able assist by Lt. Baker, railroaded an innocent woman into prison. A prison stay isn’t a joke. Katie made a huge ass of herself and deserves a lot of scorn, not Liam’s whitewashing bullshit.

[GHScorpiosRule]

7 hours ago, Peppermint said:

.the obvious surprise when Lunatictac discovered the backpack

Except that Luna wasn't surprised when she found the backpack originally. She just oh so casually lifted it up to search for her tablet-like, you wouldn't remember if you put it in a backpack? And as if the backpack being there wasn't a surprise. What was a surprise in the ORIGINAL airing was her finding Tom's letters and reading them as if they were any of her fucking business.

1 hour ago, NinjaPenguins said:

RJ bowing and scraping before her highness, Queen Steffy, and apologizing for something not even remotely his fault was super special. Steffy playing Lady Bountiful, granting absolution and tossing around blessings like confetti, really took everything to the next level.

UGH. My finger will be getting some overdue exercise utilizing the fast forward button.

[KerleyQ]

Lord, that was obnoxious. 

When Brooke told Hope "look at Finn and Steffy. They're in love, and it's a love that can never be broken," Hope should have said "you mean like your love with Ridge," and then gave a pointed look in Ridge and Taylor's direction. I'm going to really need Brooke to crawl back out of Steffy's ass at some point. I'm surprised she wasn't the one tearfully saving Bitch in a Box instead of Finn Steffy's husband. 

Taylor really didn't like that Finn was civil to Hope. She looked like she expected him to scream "ah! Logan cooties!" and shove her away if she got within 10 feet.

Bill and Poppy's scenes were just kind of weird. It was like the writers just decided "wrap it up!" 

1 hour ago, GHScorpiosRule said:

Except that Luna wasn't surprised when she found the backpack originally. She just oh so casually lifted it up to search for her tablet-like, you wouldn't remember if you put it in a backpack? And as if the backpack being there wasn't a surprise. What was a surprise in the ORIGINAL airing was her finding Tom's letters and reading them as if they were any of her fucking business.

Now that I think about it, I wonder if she was even looking for a tablet. She likely just needed to say her tablet was missing to give her a reason to "find" the backpack. 

I feel pretty confident that the writers changed their mind about the killer at some point between Tom's death and Hollis's death. 

[GHScorpiosRule]

29 minutes ago, KerleyQ said:

Now that I think about it, I wonder if she was even looking for a tablet. She likely just needed to say her tablet was missing to give her a reason to "find" the backpack. 

Even if that was the case, she wasn't surprised to see it there. Saw it, lifted it, and opened the zippers to look; as if it was a normal thing for a backpack to be there. Her face was totally blank, meaning no, hey, what's this doing here? Let's see what's inside!

30 minutes ago, KerleyQ said:

I feel pretty confident that the writers changed their mind about the killer at some point between Tom's death and Hollis's death. 

Oh Totally.

[Anna Yolei]

On 9/9/2024 at 8:00 PM, Cool Breeze said:

wish there were similar nuance to the Batie relationship.  Sure, $Bill is an easy target because he had feelings for his wife's sister.  Which is objectionable.  And caused his wife great pain.  But Katie is hardly perfect.  She's controlling.  (And phenomenally insecure.  And smug).  Maybe she could take some of the blame for their dysfunctional relationship.  That'd be a nice change of pace.

Expecting nuance from B&B is like expecting MINI to produce a 3 seater passenger van. Frankly, I'd put odds on that happening first before this show ever doing anything with shades of gray.

Because you're right--Bill is no saint and Katie is entirely justified to want him to be dedicated to her in a way that he never truly has been...but my God, her attitude is repellent at times and speaking as someone with insecurity issues, I just cannot buy into that when the character is played by gorgeous ass Heather Tom, even when my rational brain knows it doesn't work like that 

But it certainly doesn't help that the show sips into the same old "My blonde sisters have it easier than meeeeeee" well that we've had for the last seventeen(!!!) years. Hell, Katie's entire relationship with Ridge was pretty much JUST about getting one over on Brooke. Much like Steffy, she does much of the same shit as Brooke and gets narrative ass pats for it.

[backhometome]

Ugh, sour face Katie sucks. Isnt anyone going to mention she had the wrong person. Guardian angel my ass. What did she do?? besides be a jealous shrew. Also, what was that ugly shirt she had on.

Double Ugh, at Liam. Everything he says to Finn just sounds so passive aggressive.

SMH, at the same old with Taylor/Brooke AND Hope/Steffy. 😒

 

[Waldo13]

For get about Finn, forget about Finn, forget about Finn. Brooke is a broken record. Please tell me Brooke, have you ever forgotten about Ridge?  

Will is almost as bad as his mother. Will you are lying, you have been talking to his mother.  

Taylor you hypocritical bitch. Hope is trying to come between her marriage, how about you coming between Brooke’s and Ridge’s marriage.  

By the way, how many times did Stuffy come between Liam’s and Hope’s relationship?  When was the last time that was mentioned?  Why does Stuffy get a pass on her behavior. Why don’t the monkeys with a keyboard allow Hope to come down on Stuffy on being the catalyst for Hope’s failed marriage with Liam?  Why can’t Hope mention that Stuffy used Thomas to come between Hope and Liam, years ago, so she can “have” Liam. 

Bill gushing over Katie 🤢🤢🤮.  Katie was protecting Will’s interests more than Bill’s safety. 

 

[KerleyQ]

2 hours ago, Waldo13 said:

Taylor you hypocritical bitch. Hope is trying to come between her marriage, how about you coming between Brooke’s and Ridge’s marriage.  

By the way, how many times did Stuffy come between Liam’s and Hope’s relationship?  When was the last time that was mentioned?  Why does Stuffy get a pass on her behavior. Why don’t the monkeys with a keyboard allow Hope to come down on Stuffy on being the catalyst for Hope’s failed marriage with Liam?  Why can’t Hope mention that Stuffy used Thomas to come between Hope and Liam, years ago, so she can “have” Liam. 

Not to mention that Taylor, herself, tried coming between Hope and Liam's marriage when they thought Finn was dead. She was basically just like "OK, well, then, Liam needs to come over here and play pretend husband because my daughter has a sad. Never mind his wife and kid."  Just like she bought Liam and Hope's baby the last time her daughter had a sad. If Steffy is such a badass, why does mommy need to keep procuring other people's family members for her whenever she has a sad? 

[KerleyQ]

The constant "Steffy and Finn Steffy's Husband are so deliriously in love and nothing will ever break them apart" talk, along with the montages (both before and after Bitch in a Box) has to mean their marriage is not long for this world, right?  The old soap cliche about "happy couples are boring" would seem to apply.  And I'll add an addendum to that - happy couples that you're constantly, nearly daily, told are the happiest happy to ever happy, are both boring and obnoxious. 

Liam, I don't know if you've heard, but Finn is Steffy's Husband (spend a minute or two with Brooke, and she'll mention it a dozen times). Steffy isn't yours for you to be thanking him for saving her. But, boy, yesterday's show pointed out how different Finn and Steffy are. Here you have two people who they consider threats to their marriage (and I'd argue Liam is the bigger threat, given how differently Finn and Steffy have handled Hope and Liam). When Liam shows up in Finn's office, still acting like Finn is some outsider to his and Steffy's bond, so he needs to thank him for saving her, Finn was pretty gracious. He acknowledged the connection LIAM AND Steffy have and assured him that he'd do anything for Steffy and the kids (including Liam's daughter).  When Hope tried to express her relief that Steffy is safe and well, Steffy immediately accused her of kissing up and then launched into yet another anti-Logan rant, along with reminding her that the fate of her line is in Steffy's hands. 

When Taylor told Brooke she has to put Hope on notice to stay out of Steffy's marriage, Brooke should have responded with "well, while I'm putting people on notice, you need to stay out of my relationship with Ridge, since we all know that's probably why you're back. 

Every time we have scenes with Taylor/Steffy (and this goes back to KA's Taylor, too) where Taylor talks about how much she's missed her kids and grandkids, and Steffy says how happy she is to have her back and that she hopes she stays, I just laugh. Taylor continually chooses to stay away when she's mad that she can't have Ridge. And she only comes back to try to get him back again. Once it's clear she's failed to land him again, she leaves. She has a practice in L.A. Until fairly recently, all of her children and grandchildren were in L.A. She's wealthy. There is no reason for her to be gone for years at a time without so much as a visit. And the writers made it clear why she is there this time, when they had her call to inform Steffy she's decided to come back while she was literally in the middle of stalking Ridge and Brooke. 

Also, it's beyond clear that she thinks the situation with Hope's crush on Finn is a way for her to make inroads in her whole Forresters vs. Logans thing, maybe leading to her getting Ridge back. She's got to make sure her daughter remains ever vigilant in that war so that she can be her ally. 

Edited September 12 by KerleyQ

[GHScorpiosRule]

8 minutes ago, KerleyQ said:

Liam, I don't know if you've heard, but Finn is Steffy's Husband (spend a minute or two with Brooke, and she'll mention it a dozen times). Steffy isn't yours for you to be thanking him for saving her. But, boy, yesterday's show pointed out how different Finn and Steffy are. Here you have two people who they consider threats to their marriage (and I'd argue Liam is the bigger threat, given how differently Finn and Steffy have handled Hope and Liam). When Liam shows up in Finn's office, still acting like Finn is some outsider to his and Steffy's bond, so he needs to thank him for saving her, Finn was pretty gracious. He acknowledged the connection LIAM AND Steffy have and assured him that he'd do anything for Steffy and the kids (including Liam's daughter).  When Hope tried to express her relief that Steffy is safe and well, Steffy immediately accused her of kissing up and then launched into yet another anti-Logan rant, along with reminding her that the fate of her line is in Steffy's hands. 

and

8 minutes ago, KerleyQ said:

When Taylor told Brooke she has to put Hope on notice to stay out of Steffy's marriage, Brooke should have responded with "well, while I'm putting people on notice, you need to stay out of my relationship with Ridge, since we all know that's probably why you're back. 

 

9 minutes ago, KerleyQ said:

Also, it's beyond clear that she thinks the situation with Hope's crush on Finn is a way for her to make inroads in her whole Forresters vs. Logans thing, maybe leading to her getting Ridge back. She's got to make sure her daughter remains ever vigilant in that war so that she can be her ally. 

And to add what bug has crawled up Teeth's Will's ass? No fan of Poppy, but STFU about her having anything to do with Luna being a psycho killer and the "well, she's her mother" bullshit. Like, one could say, "Well, Katie's YOUR mother" to explain away your ASSHOLISHNESS. And talking to Bill as if their parents have been recently divorced, and whatever Bill did, instead of at least what, 15 years ago? And Bill just sits there, instead of telling him to mind his own fucking business.

And why THE FUCK is that picture of Bill, Luna, and Poppy STILL sitting on Bill's mantel?

Luna shoulda kidnapped his ass as well and we'd have two bitches in a box.

[RuntheTable]

Oh, the absolute bitchery!

What infuriates me the most is it is always Brooke and Hope extending the olive branch, always trying to unite and unruffle feathers. But Taylor and Steffy are simply two nasty, hateful, self absorbed snobs who refuse to give an inch. I am so done with their shared imaginings about what "Brooke did to Taylor." The fuck? I am not going to rehash all the truly horrid things Taylor has been a part of over the years, but one thing is for sure, Ridge left Taylor after he found out she had betrayed him with James Warwick. It had absolutely nothing to do with Brooke. Well, that isn't exactly true, after Taylor confessed her betrayal, Ridge wasn't so much angry at Taylor for screwing another man so much as he was about her treatment of Brooke all those years. He finally saw her for the manipulative hypocrite she truly is and left her for good. 

As far as Steffy, outside of the above, is the fact that she is a dreadful CEO. You don't run a company based on personal feelings. You don't threaten what has been your most profitable line during lean times, you instead brainstorm ideas to fix the problem. But then a competent, professional CEO would not have run their top designer out of town to keep him out of your nemeses bed. That is unless you were trying to tank the line. 

Katie and Will. OMFG! So pathetic and transparent. I hope Bill and Katie reconcile, and when Ridge inevitably waffles back to Taylor, that Bill can't get to Brooke's doorstep quick enough. 

[backhometome]

Fuck off at Poppy having to apologize to sour face Katie. How did Luna affect her life. Because Bill wasn't falling over her she put up a stink about Luna/Poppy moving in. It was all about her jealousy. Cannot stand her. 

 

[CountryGirl]

So I come back from a wonderful vacation to find out that not only is the Bitch in a Box no longer in said box, there's a party to celebrate her being freed from said box?

How can a show go from must-watch to delete-this-waste-of-time off my DVR in the space of ONE week is beyond me.

And I call all kinds of bullshit that Scrappy Doo Finn figured it out in the span of one commercial break. 

He can't even find his own set of balls and they're always in Steffy's handbag so it's pure nonsense.

Liam not being invited to Steffy's party is kind of amusing but that is not nearly enough to make up for the 180. I wanted at least the rest of September for her to be that bitch in a box.

Well, she's still a bitch, forever and ever amen.

And Hope is being a damn doormat, saying she's partially responsible for Bitch being in a Box. Steffy is the one who fucked around one time too many and found out from Luna who isn't enamored with Steffy the way Liam, Finn, and (I think on some level) Bill are.

Taylor, I'd like to punt into the sun for telling Brooke she needs to keep a tight rein on Hope. She kissed him, you stupid heifer. She didn't fuck him like your daughter did her father-in-law. And she kissed her ex husband multiple times and has still kept it under wraps. And you slept your way through the Forrester and Logan families so don't you dare talk about patterns and predatory behavior. 

@RuntheTable, I am with you about liking Li again. It's clear she feels for Poppy, losing Luna to prison. Unless, of course, TPTB make it up to us and give us the storyline we need - that Luna is Finn's daughter and Sheila's granddaughter and all she needs is a good ol' brain tumor to be redeemed. That would be even better than bitch in a box if bitch has a stepdaughter AND MIL from hell.

Poppy don't be nice to Katie. She doesn't deserve it.

I don't love Boppy but I'd take them over boring Batie.

Back to the bitch and Hope.

Hope, finding a little bit of backbone: "I didn't come in here to be condescended to or for a history lesson. I came to apologize." Which she has already done, several times, which is more than Steffy ever did to Hope or anyone else she's wronged.

Steffy: "I wonder if you wish I were still in that cage."

I know what my answer would be.

Steffy doubles down and says "I won't forgive and forget when it comes to you kissing my husband." Oh, but you can kiss Hope's fiancee and take her still warm from Hope's finger engagement ring and fuck Liam when he and Hope are very married?

She orders Hope to stay away from Finn. But something tells me it's Finn who's going to find it hard to stay away from Hope. Especially now that his wife is on the highest of horses and on a rampage, fueled by her jealous, spiteful mother.

 

[NinjaPenguins]

Ridge quite explicitly told Steffy that what happened between him and Taylor was due to his choices and not anything Brooke did. She’s woven a fable out of whole cloth where the mean Logan witches ruined her perfect family and nothing will make her give it up.

Wasn’t it great to listen to Steffy bully Hope and Taylor condescend to Brooke like two venomous snakes but with way less charm than a couple of pit vipers? As if that wasn’t enough quality entertainment, then they got together to squee over how clever and special and virtuous they are and trash talk the Logans yet again. Who doesn’t enjoy the sheer magic of watching vile hypocrites jerk each other off in an orgy of self-congratulations.

Look how magnanimous Katie is in humiliating defeat. Of course, the show won’t let anyone acknowledge what an absolute shit thing Katie did, not even the woman she victimized with her amateur detective routine.

 

[Waldo13]

Once again I have to ask, why the monkeys with a keyboard make Hope just stand there while taking shit from Stuffy without allowing her to bring up all of Stuffy’s discretions.  The same goes for Brooke taking shit from Taylor without firing back. Taylor, Hope needs help?  I think your daughter needs more help than Hope. Your daughter is a megalomaniac.  

Finn and Stuffy are the best couple ever on B&B 🤢🤢🤢🤮.  

I really have disdain for people who are not self aware and hypocritical.  

[Js Nana]

2 hours ago, NinjaPenguins said:

vile hypocrites jerk each other off in an orgy of self-congratulations.

That's a very descriptive way of putting it.

3 hours ago, CountryGirl said:

a rampage, fueled by her jealous, spiteful mother.

Her stalker mother - remember the hooded figure in Monte Carlo?

[norcalgal]

8 hours ago, Waldo13 said:

Once again I have to ask, why the monkeys with a keyboard make Hope just stand there while taking shit from Stuffy without allowing her to bring up all of Stuffy’s discretions.  The same goes for Brooke taking shit from Taylor without firing back. 

I really have disdain for people who are not self aware and hypocritical.  

We’ve already surmised that the JMW/Steffy stans would storm the B&B office, and launch a boycott if they ever made Steffy get her comeuppance. Taylor benefits by extension, because Steffy absolutely must have her echo chamber be sprinkled with the same fairy dust.

[NinjaPenguins]

Imagine all the viewers they might get back if they let Steffy be served that humble pie. There is zero dramatic tension in any storyline involving Steffy because everyone knows she’ll win/survive/have excuses made for her. Why even care? Imagine making the “heroine” of your show such an atrocious, toxic bully, abusive spouse and horrible boss and thinking that’s quality daytime entertainment. If show acknowledged Steffy was a villain or, hell, admitted she was deeply flawed, it would be easier to watch her antics.

This show seems to gaslight its own viewers and hold them in contempt. Steffy is shown, on screen, kissing Liam twice, but Hope kisses Finn once, and you’re waiting, waiting, waiting for Steffy’s and Liam’s liplock to surface. Instead, it disappears down the memory hole. I know we saw Taylor sleep with all the same men Brooke did, excluding Brooke’s own son of course, yet that fact is never said aloud. We’re supposed to pretend Taylor didn’t run away a couple of times and completely abandon her idiot children; instead we listen to her give Brooke parenting advice. It is absolutely ridiculous that Steffy and her mother slut shame the Logans without anyone uttering three magic words: two paternity tests.

Now the show is trying to shift a bit of blame for Bitch in a Box onto Hope for kissing Finn, because it’s not enough for Steffy to triumph. She has to be a sore, smug winner too. No victory lap is complete without blaming a Logan.

[RuntheTable]

Hope being done with the abuse is a good thing, but I wish she would seek a different route than chasing Finn; chasing after unavailable men is Steffy's game, and I don't want to see Hope getting down in the sewer with her. 

However, at this point, I think I am past all rational thought and would pile on to anything that would smack a couple of bitches down. 

If anyone needs psychological help it is Taylor. Was she really blasting Brooke with her dime store handbook training? Hope needs help? Hope is out of control? Why didn't you feel that way about your daughter when she shagged her father-in-law? OH! Right, Bill raped Steffy. Somehow I forgot about that. And then there was that time she fell on Liam's dick while he was married to Hope. I am sure in your mind you built the defense that Steffy was just doing the poor guy a solid. He was devasted after all, and just like Taylor couldn't allow James to die a virgin, Steffy couldn't allow Liam to wallow in his misery. 

And here is a little sompin, sompin else Tay Tay. Realizing that your marriage is broken, and doing something about it does not equal being out of control. It means that as an adult, you can't stay in a marriage that does not fulfil you. And just like you wanted Ridge, Hope wanted Thomas. Maybe it was acting out, or maybe Hope truly cared for him; at the end of the day it doesn't matter because everyone has the right to seek happiness. You certainly never had a problem with it, and as recently as a year ago, you were ready to except Ridge on any terms, and didn't bat an eyelash as you rolled around in bed with a married man. 

WRP my ass. 

[KerleyQ]

Is it just a tiny bit unethical for a psychiatrist to offer any kind of "professional opinion" on someone who isn't their patient?  Of course, asking the WRP to adhere to any ethics is a fool's errand. 

The one thing I really don't like about Hope is how she just sits there and lets Steffy prattle on with her bullshit and never once drags out all of the bullshit she's done. I'd even take a nice one-liner. Like, for example, when Steffy tells her she won't be spending time with Finn Steffy's Husband anymore, Hope should have responded "well, unless, of course, he sees you kissing a Liam mannequin and needs someone to fuck the pain away, right?" Or in response to "I won't let you turn into your mother," a nice "because that's already your gig?" I'd love a more thorough reading, but, seriously, I'll take a one-liner. Anything to make this shit even a little less lopsided and contrary to what we've seen on screen over the years. 

And what was that bullshit Steffy was uttering about how Taylor never stands up for herself?  The fuck?  

Speaking of her sister/mother, she was also full of all kinds of shit today. And Brooke also should have laid out some reality. Ask her what her professional opinion was of her daughter repeatedly going after Hope's husband. Or her daughter banging her father in law and then running a paternity test behind her husband's back to figure out if he or his father was the baby daddy?  Or her second paternity test to figure out if it was her boyfriend or Hope's husband who fathered that one? 

Poppy, don't grovel to her. She one thousand percent owed you that apology, and then some. 

So, do we still have some shred of hope that they're going to reveal Finn Steffy's Husband is Luna's father? Because the whole angle of that conversation with Li about Luna had this whole "could you imagine being her parent" air about it. That felt like a light anvil. 

[CharlizeCat]

In a perfect world, we'd have Luna be Finn's daughter and Kelly be Bill's daughter. I would love to see Princess' head explode over that double whammy! She wholly deserves it and will wish she was blissfully locked back in that damned cage!

Shallow notes. I love Brooke's white suit with the fab buttons. NuNuTaylor just looks so young and out of place compared to JWM. And yes. Katie's blouse was truly hideous. 

[norcalgal]

4 hours ago, NinjaPenguins said:

Imagine all the viewers they might get back if they let Steffy be served that humble pie. There is zero dramatic tension in any storyline involving Steffy because everyone knows she’ll win/survive/have excuses made for her. Why even care? Imagine making the “heroine” of your show such an atrocious, toxic bully, abusive spouse and horrible boss and thinking that’s quality daytime entertainment. If show acknowledged Steffy was a villain or, hell, admitted she was deeply flawed, it would be easier to watch her antics.

This show seems to gaslight its own viewers and hold them in contempt. Steffy is shown, on screen, kissing Liam twice, but Hope kisses Finn once, and you’re waiting, waiting, waiting for Steffy’s and Liam’s liplock to surface. Instead, it disappears down the memory hole. I know we saw Taylor sleep with all the same men Brooke did, excluding Brooke’s own son of course, yet that fact is never said aloud. We’re supposed to pretend Taylor didn’t run away a couple of times and completely abandon her idiot children; instead we listen to her give Brooke parenting advice. It is absolutely ridiculous that Steffy and her mother slut shame the Logans without anyone uttering three magic words: two paternity tests.

Now the show is trying to shift a bit of blame for Bitch in a Box onto Hope for kissing Finn, because it’s not enough for Steffy to triumph. She has to be a sore, smug winner too. No victory lap is complete without blaming a Logan.

This entire post - esp. the bolded parts - should be hung in the Louvre. I wish I could post more than one emoticon to show my appreciation for such a well crafted post which speaks for so many of us  (Steffy/JMW stans excluded).

[Anna Yolei]

3 hours ago, KerleyQ said:

o, do we still have some shred of hope that they're going to reveal Finn Steffy's Husband is Luna's father? Because the whole angle of that conversation with Li about Luna had this whole "could you imagine being her parent" air about it. That felt like a light anvil. 

As grossed out as I was initially at the onset of that prospect, if this is a way for them to keep Lisa Yamada on the show a bit longer as the fallout is addressed, I'll take it. Let Steffy have one more of Sheila's relatives to deal with. Hell,  ship Lucy Romalotti over from Y&R  and let her get in the mix because the way that brat is going there, she could use a verbal smackdown and I'd welcome the unstoppable force/unmovable object trainwreck to see who'd win between her and Steffy (my vote goes to "the 2 gallons of Kirkland Signature vodka from Costco that I'd need to down to sit through it")

But I'm so very tired of the way this show treats it's characters of color as disposable props. Yes, the white characters outside of Steffy aren't treated well either but we do get motivations and agency for them in a way that just doesn't exist for any other PoC except Maya Avant, and I'm fairly certain her actress must have connections to some criminal  organization for whatever blackmail she has on Bell to get the storylines she did.

 

On 9/12/2024 at 8:50 AM, KerleyQ said:

The constant "Steffy and Finn Steffy's Husband are so deliriously in love and nothing will ever break them apart" talk, along with the montages (both before and after Bitch in a Box) has to mean their marriage is not long for this world, right?

You would think so, but I feel like they've had this exact story for the entirely of their relationship. They've already in the top three longest uninterrupted marriages in all of B&B canon as it is, if you can believe that crap, and every time we get this, it ends with them making out on the cliff house couch.

B&B's story telling may be considered consistent and logical for some planet out there. Unfortunately for Brad Bell, this is Earth. O_o

On 9/12/2024 at 9:03 AM, GHScorpiosRule said:

And talking to Bill as if their parents have been recently divorced, and whatever Bill did, instead of at least what, 15 years ago? And Bill just sits there, instead of telling him to mind his own fucking business.

You know, as much as I am sick of kids butting into their parents' business, I have to give Will the credit for not selling his parents' relationship as some fairy tale romance as B&B kids are wont to do. I wanted to smack myself in the head every time RJ #1 was on screen waxing poetic about Bridge. And of course there's the Taytots. Nothing else needs to be said there.

Even for Will's brattiness and Katie's...well, Katie-ness, he's not wrong. Bill has never appreciated at any point in their two marriages. Much like Steffy, he too wanted a lapdog to enable him and while I know he'll soften up on ol' Dad eventually, it's nice that at least one child is not gassing up their parents' crap behavior.

It does beg the question as to how TIIC will write for Kelly when she's SORASed, assuming Finn is still in the picture. Her parents have been divorced her entire life and we've seen in canon that she considers Finn to be her father as much as Liam. Will she do an about face out of the blue to shove her mommy and daddy back together without any consideration for Hayes (since I think we can all agree that there won't be any for what Beth thinks since Steffy and Taylor will have poisoned Kelly against her by then)?

 

23 hours ago, RuntheTable said:

As far as Steffy, outside of the above, is the fact that she is a dreadful CEO. You don't run a company based on personal feelings.

Given how much we know of certain social media CEOs, I'd say that's the only thing thats grounded in anything resembling reality on this show 🤣

I'm only partially kidding because unlike IRL, FC takes no hits because of her whacked behavior. Meanwhile in my line of work, I get multiple people who bought Teslas prior to 2022 who can't get outta them fast enough.