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1 hour ago, Gam2 said:

ByaNose, I so agree about the name “Flo” or “Florence”. Has anyone else been named those names since 1932? Of all of the names on the planet, that’s the one they thought was current, appropriate, cute, normal, etc, etc?

It could be a reference to Florence Welch 

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Florence_and_the_Machine

also whenever I think of it I think of the Tocca perfume Florence or Italy. It does sound dated but some of those names like that or Mabel, Maude, Prudence, Abernathy ect are in style now. 

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OMG, Zoe's still in that horrible skirt. I wondered if it had cost a fortune and the show was just trying to get their money's worth but I learned Nordstrom had been selling it for less than $100. I wouldn't have a paid a tenth of that price for it. Yuck.

You mean to tell me Flo didn't jump on FacePlace and check out Wyatt's life? Because if she had she'd already have known who his brother and SIL are and would've expected Hope.

Sally has a killer body but today I noticed how puffy her arms are relative to the rest of her. It puzzled me.

Re the name Flo, I figured it was product placement since I see so many Progressive auto insurance commercials during the show. 😉

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OMG Hope! I love you, and I know you are hurting and lost, but honey, you just don't walk into a room and start with other people's personal shit like that. 

Still, those scenes were worth their weight in gold. Sally, being so gracious, even after Wyatt corrected Flo about their past relationship being more than high school sweethearts. And Liam's under the breath "I think it's safe to say this is awkard." And Wyatt, who is quickly becoming my new favorite, absolutely nailed it. DB has grown so much in this role. I have always liked him, but now he seems to know just the right tone for the scene. He clearly telegraphed his confusion with what was going on with Flo and the lies she had told him. And Flo too, was really good, and I have to admit, I felt just a little bit sorry for her. I am starting to see her the same way I saw Sally in the beginning. A young woman from a hard scrabble life just trying to make their way, and doing something horrible out of desperation. Although with Flo, there really was no desperation; just unwarranted love for a devious, heartless man. I continue to feel that her remorse is real. Does that mean she will spill the beans? Zoe is busy humping Zander and isn't there to stop her, so who knows. 

I agree with @Zoe116 about this foursome. They have mad chemistry that I felt in those other scenes over at Hope and Liam's cabin. There is a unique vibe to their interactions, and they actually feel like contemporary couples hanging out and having a good time. With Sally's sassy genuineness, and Wyatt's silly goofiness, and Hope's goodness and Liam's vapidness; it all just works. In my mind I kinda see this:

Sally = Rachel

Wyatt = Chandler

Hope = Monica

Liam = Ross

And we all know the chemistry those four had. 

I ff'd all the rest. I find I cannot stomach Taylor anymore, and don't think I will watch her unless it is with Brooke. And there is no way in hell I was watching those two no talent interns fucking. 

Just sayin......

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Taylor sucks and I'm glad Steffy stood up and told her she wasn't a victim in this. I'm so beyond sick of her still making everything about her grudge with Brooke and "losing" Ridge. Good Lord, who'd even want his ass?

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IMHO, Flo and Hope are sisters. KB was casted because of the resemblance to AN.  If it wasn’t true TIIC would have casted a hack actress like Zoey, Emma, or the other intern who’s name I forgot.  IMHO, TIIC also wanted a proven actress who has the ability to be believable in carrying a storyline.  In addition, Sally, Wyatt, and Liam were talking about how much Hope and Flo were alike.  

Deacon, as both Flo’s and Hope’s father is not that far fetched. Deacon is a player, womanizer, and a rouge who bounced from GC to LA. Why would it not be possible, for him, to make a “deposit” in LV.  

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Yeah, this continuing bait and switch about Beth is getting old already. Poop or get off the pot, Show. Stop teasing us.

What was with the 90's porn music during Zoe and Xander's bedroom scene, lol?

Why did Wyatt refer to Phoebe as his niece? They are not related by blood or marriage, at least as far as he knows.

Is Taylor insane. Maybe all those fillers have leached into her brain.

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In my family, we said “Shit or get off the pot”. Sorry if that offends anyone but that’s the way I’ve been feeling about this baby story for weeks now. Spill your guts, Flo and put us all our of our infernal misery. I cannot listen to Hope tell her tale of woe to people over and over and over and then move on to total strangers. Geez, Louise. Can we have one night of just being with family, eating steaks and drinking wine?! Shut the hell up, Hope. And the interns? GET OFF OF MY TV. We do not care about you. No matter how hard the writers try to make you interesting, you’re not. Bye.

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The guy who plays Xander (I can't be bothered to look up his name) is the worst actor I've ever seen and he has not an ounce of charm, charisma or sexiness...

Zoe is no better & I can't believe they showed the two of them en flagrante yesterday... although I admit I fast forwarded so I didn't have to watch them...

IMO, those two are painful & Zoe is still very hard to look at...why are these two still on the screen ?????

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11 hours ago, ByaNose said:

Where is Rena Sofer? Is she guaranteed a salary when not airing? If so, how does she pay her bills? 

Now that Wyatt and Flo's past connection has been revealed, I'm sure Quinn will be getting more air time. 

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12 hours ago, ByaNose said:

Where is Rena Sofer? Is she guaranteed a salary when not airing? If so, how does she pay her bills? 

Her husband is a producer. Also she’s union and been working for at 30 years so her pays nothing to sneeze at. Eileen Davison when working on Real Housewives had to get her union wage so she made a million dollars each year on the show. PLUS her contract for Y&R. KKL and John McCook must make even more. 

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While I’m glad my favorites are comfortable financially, I’d really like to see them acting on this soap opera. When we have these fine actors, why are we subjected to Zoe/Xander/Emma/Pam/Charlie, etc? And I’m starting to feel the same about Hope, Liam, Steffy and TayTay. Please give us a damn break from them and put our good people back on screen!

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Oh man. The screentime nuHope get doesn't even come close to the amount that Kim Matula was on as Hope, nor how every single story circled back about who Liam did or didn't marry. There's one YouTuber that's had episodes going back to at least the middle of 2009 that YouTube has finally unlocked to American audiences, so I picked a random episode from 2012 to start with as I missed most of that year for deployment. I got through ten episodes and only two of them had a story of something other than Steamless versus Nope (Marcus's bond hearing issues....anyone remember him? Nope, neither did I!)

But the one thing I didn't appreciate nearly enough back then was that while rarely justified and often ill-timed, Hope did have a backbone. Liam was never worth the trouble, but she did ask him after the Italy wedding where she found a video of them fooling around (something I'd totally forgot had happened after the Deacon thing!) why she was always made out to be the bad guy and how she and Steffy we're so interchangeable and I was here for it.

I guess I'm trying to say they gotta go somewhere new with Hope to make this worth the time. I mean, is Liam going back to Steffy and Hope finally goes off the rails like she's in a Carrie Underwood song? Ultimately, if everyone's back to square one or God forbid there's any single person who suggests Phoebeth should stay with Steffy (besides Ridge and/or Taylor because they're fucksticks I expect nothing better from at this point), I'm gonna be pissed. I really hope AN and SC get Emmys out of this (especially AN), but fuck I'm done watching her cry and mope. 

And it's frustrating because the entire Logan clan besides RJ has stories of loss and/or depression and PPD: Katie ran off for months; Donna gave away a son in high school and couldn't share that for decades; Brooke of course has had at least one for-sure miscarriage but she's lost custody of all four children at different times; Bridget finally got a rainbow baby after multiple losses; and even Rick had his story about not just Eric III but the twins (I think?) that Amber lost as well. And this is where the P&G show in particular used to excel at connecting those dots, but certainly having Katie be a buttinski to push a cause close to her heart would be welcomed in this case.

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I had the flu last week so crashed on the couch and kinda sorta watched/listened/dozed. It doesn't sound as though I missed much and I had read the (no longer a) spoiler about Wyatt and Flo being HS sweethearts so it's clear they are setting up for a Flo/Wyatt/Sally/Thomas quadrangle. 

With Jacquie on maternity leave, I'm guessing there's no immediate end in sight to this storyline (unless she taped a lot of scenes to buffer her downtime). And I'm just sick of this crap. Every day that Hope is robbed of her daughter and all of those moments she won't get back is another day I don't want to tune in.

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So Wyatt prefers batting cleanup, ha ha. At least he's self-aware.

Guess Flo's not afraid Zoe will kill her. Or that Reese will. They could jump her right in the apartment and snap her neck and probably no one would miss her.

Love how Sally is so secure and completely unbothered by Wyatt having his ex back in his life. Of course the writers are guaranteed to ruin that because every woman on B&B has to be jealous and possessive.

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6 hours ago, CountryGirl said:

I had the flu last week so crashed on the couch and kinda sorta watched/listened/dozed. It doesn't sound as though I missed much and I had read the (no longer a) spoiler about Wyatt and Flo being HS sweethearts so it's clear they are setting up for a Flo/Wyatt/Sally/Thomas quadrangle. 

With Jacquie on maternity leave, I'm guessing there's no immediate end in sight to this storyline (unless she taped a lot of scenes to buffer her downtime). And I'm just sick of this crap. Every day that Hope is robbed of her daughter and all of those moments she won't get back is another day I don't want to tune in.

I keep planning on tuning in but I can't bring myself to do so as long as Phobeth is being held captive by Hauxdilox and her killer mother.  And did I hear that Killer Taylor is actually practicing medicine in the state of California?  FUCKERY!!

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Flo hold strong and TELL THEM ALREADY!!!!!!  get this baby swap over!

Dr. Shady, don't you have some job across the pond?  how many days do you get off and how much money do you make and did you buy a personal jet for all these last minute check ins in L.A?    Where the hell did you come from, you are supposed to be gone, go away!

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8 hours ago, Petunia13 said:

If this show were on Netflix Reese would have killed Flo by now. 

Come to think of it, if this were like the golden age of soaps, this would be a setup for a huge “who killed Flo” murder mystery storyline.  I miss those days ☹️

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3 hours ago, ByTor said:

Come to think of it, if this were like the golden age of soaps, this would be a setup for a huge “who killed Flo” murder mystery storyline.  I miss those days ☹️

B&B has never been big on that trope...the one where Stephanie was shot in '07 is the only one I recall they ever did.

But those were good times indeed. My fave is still the one on ATWT when Rose died and it ended up being a ten year old Will who did it in large part because of his mother's psychotic hatred of the woman. And like any good soap story,that continued to have consequences that affected him once he was SORASed.

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Dr Wayne Shady as actor he’s not. IMHO, he’s not even that good of a comedian. Zoey as an actress she’s not.  She should stick to singing in obscurity.  If Flo wasn’t there with Dr Shady and Zoey, the scene would have looked like amateur hour at the Romper Room.  

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Speaking of awkward, that scene with the intern just showing up at Hope and Liam’s cabin on Brooke’s HUGE ESTATE with no prior warning just to drop off a portfolio on her way home (?) was the definition of awkward and embarrassing. What was the purpose of that little tidbit and why is that actress so damned bad? And why is she still on this show?!

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Wonder what the song was Wyatt threatening to sing to Sally? 🎶Baby shark, doo doo doo doo doo doo🎶 😊

Bet the writers have been sitting on that "go with the Flo" joke ever since the character was introduced.

Of course Liam would be amazed that someone's ex and current girlfriend could handle meeting each other without any drama.

AYFKMWTS, Reese? No good man kidnaps someone's baby and tells them their baby died. And what kind of Star Trek transporter technology are you using to jump back and forth between LA and London like you're just taking a drive around the block?

Oh FFS, Zoe will agree with whoever gets to her last. And how exactly is she going to convince Hope to have another kid? Hope wouldn't take advice from her.

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And why is she still on this show?!

She's Wayne Brady's daughter. Apparently he's got enough clout at CBS Daytime to get her a gig too. Wayne, sorry but your daughter cannot act to save her life. Stop letting her embarrass herself on national TV.

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18 minutes ago, Joimiaroxeu said:

Of course Liam would be amazed that someone's ex and current girlfriend could handle meeting each other without any drama.

On this show, he likely wouldn't be the only one 😂

But then Liam's romances were a pair of sisters, and their cousin, which likely would've included Aly and Phoebe by now if either were still alive. Dating outside the gene pool significantly decreases the  amount of time your ex and your current GF will see one another 😐

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I have just a few thoughts: Why is Flo still staying in that cheesy “flat”? She was paid $50,000. Why isn’t she staying in a nice hotel or moved into her own nice apartment? Or at least changed the damned locks so these grifters don’t keep walking in? As cute as Wyatt and Sally are, do we really have to keep seeing them naked in bed, on the sofa, on the floor? How about they sit on the sofa, having a cup of coffee and, you know, ....talking? Where is everyone else? Brooke, Ridge, Bill, Katie, Will, Eric, Quinn, Pam, Donna, Justin, everyone else in LA?  And how the hell does Reese keep flying from London to LA and back to have a 10 minute conversation with his dotter and Flo while they repeat every damned convo they’ve been having for months now? Can we get some new writers for this show before it completely goes down the tubes? As much as I complain about the scripts and the acting, I’d actually miss this load of crap.

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20 minutes ago, Gam2 said:

Why is Flo still staying in that cheesy “flat”? She was paid $50,000. Why isn’t she staying in a nice hotel or moved into her own nice apartment? 

In Los Angeles? 😂 $50k is a down payment for the cheapest condo in Echo Park!

Okay, I exaggerate a bit, but that money doesn't go quite that far--I live in San Diego, which is only a slight bit more affordable than LA, at least for now, and...yeah. $50k is an income that's just liveable for one person so it's wise that she'd want to make that stretch out a bit.

I always laugh when TV shows set in CA act as though even $1 mil is mega bucks to live a ridiculously lavish lifestyle with, like Steffy's CEO salary. 

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First, I think the writers/Bell are shuffling the deck so that Hope/Liam/Sally/Wyatt/Steffy and now, Thomas, are the leads of the show. Zoe and Xander are the supporting characters. Blergh ... I'll add Flo because it appears that as Liam stated yesterday, Flo is now part of the "extended family." While I don't care for Flo's character, I really like the actress playing her because she can well ... ACT!  ITA that it was painful having to watch her drag Zoe and Dr. Shady through their scenes.

That said, I think Wayne Brady is a horrible actor. He always wears the same expression -- kind of permanent bland smirk. He also looks Botoxed to the nth degree as his forehead all the way to the top of his head doesn't budge.  He reminds me of a traditionally carved jack-o-lantern. 

I'm kind of OK with watching the younger set be on the front burner because Liam/Sally/Hope/Wyatt are all bringing it and having Steffy more on the sidelines with docilely folding endless stacks of laundry works for me.  Brooke has always been my favorite, but now I find her boring and am bitterly disappointed that she's resigned herself to a lifetime with Sludge, and the less I see of TK, the happier I am. Likewise, I find "new and improved" $Bill dull as dishwater. 

Frankly, I wouldn't mind seeing either Steffy or Bill regress at bit just to liven things up. 

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4 hours ago, Waldo13 said:

Dr Wayne Shady as actor he’s not. IMHO, he’s not even that good of a comedian. Zoey as an actress she’s not.  She should stick to singing in obscurity.  If Flo wasn’t there with Dr Shady and Zoey, the scene would have looked like amateur hour at the Romper Room.  

He’s horrible on Let’s Make a Deal as well.  I sometimes watch killing time on the elliptical machine or in my work break room before The Price is Right starts. Corny songs, idiotic skits, insincere hosting. Katrina Bowden/Flo has quietly surprised me with this role. She has an understated, thoughtful acting style and she’s made the most of this material. 

Yeah if this was cable or Netflix Dr Buckingham would have killed Flo and made it look like an accident. I do miss those meaty scandalous mysteries on soaps in their better years. I also read the shit out of Sidney Sheldon and Jackie Collins books. 

Zoe’s bet with Xander extends to when she’s alone or speaking w completely arbitrary people while he’s absent? Ok Show 🙄 as long as those grating fake accents are gone. 

Hopes jewelry has been so cute lately I wonder if those are Quinn designs? 

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I watched the last 15 minutes yesterday and felt a bit queasy watching Dr. Shady manipulate Flo and his daughter.  The man is a psychopath and that really needs to be played up.  And if  Killer Taylor is a licensed psychiatrist then she KNEW he was a psychopath, because game recognizes game, and chose to buy a baby from him for the sole purpose of helping her daughter manipulate Liam back between her legs.  THAT should be the story, not how torn up Hauxdilox is going to be when it all blows up in her face.

The only redeeming feature were the scenes between Hope and Liam.  THAT'S how a man and woman in love behave.  They share their feelings.  THEY TALK.  It's not 24/7 fucking.  AN and SC are doing such good work.

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Looks like Flo’s redemption arc is in full swing. My feelings are that no one is going to walk up to Hope and tell her the story. I suspect it will be an overhead conversation behind Partially Closed Door or Chained Partially Open Door. I could think up all kinds of soapy goodness depending on who the over hearer is. But no. Just no. It may sound ridiculous, but that kind of feels like I would be dancing all over Hope’s pain.

I read that:

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Steffy will be taking off with both babies to “let Hope heal.” Humpmm….not so sure I am buying that. I think it is more like she is threatened by this closeness between Phoebe and Hope. In addition, she can clearly see the deep bond and love between Hope and Liam and realizes she has no chance. I would also lay wagers that she is buggin over Flo and Hope’s connection.

I have this feeling that this is setting up to gut Hope once again. I think they are going to let Hope and Flo develop a true friendship, and wouldn’t be surprised if that other spoiler:

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About Flo being Deacon’s too comes to fruition. Having Hope find a long lost sister, and bond with her only to find out she was part and parcel of this baby swapping nonsense would truly devastate Hope. So, of course, it is gonna happen. The show seems to be about nothing but causing Hope as much pain as possible while letting all the thugs and criminals skate.

I guess doc’s over the pond make really good money or something, cause it looks like Dr. Dreadful has his own airplane. The way he just flits from country to country at a moment’s notice is enough to give one a case of whiplash. I noticed in all his pleas to not blow his cover, he never once mentioned getting any help with his gambling addiction. It is all about how he had to protect his little girl. Why is no on pointing out if he had sought help, or gotten some control, no one would have needed his protection? So, I guess next time the thugs are hunting Zoe down he will what? Commit another crime? Why, oh why, have they brought this character in? Wayne and his no talent Color Forms Doll daughter need to go away, and they can take his no account screen daughter with them. 

Scott and Annika are totally working. I am so glad Liam shut Hope down real quick with the "go be with your daughters" shit. I completely understood Hope's remark about people meaning well with the "I'm sorry's", but how all they do is remind her. My niece lost her long time boyfriend when she was 8 months pregnant with their second son. At his viewing my niece came over to me and said that if one more person said "I'm sorry" she was going to explode. She understood they meant well, but it was just too much. Since that day, I have never said those words to anyone who is grieving a loss. 

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11 hours ago, mightysparrow said:

The only redeeming feature were the scenes between Hope and Liam.  THAT'S how a man and woman in love behave.  They share their feelings.  THEY TALK.  It's not 24/7 fucking.  AN and SC are doing such good work.

They really are, and honestly, this is what they needed to sell this pairing years ago. I fell into the rabbit hole of watching episodes from 2012 (AKA The year with all the Hope weddings that got cancelled, as she and Liam attempted to wed no less than THREE times so far!) and holy shit were they both so incredibly immature. Like, I just watched the part where Rick had his buddy lie about seeing Steffy and Waffle make out the day before wedding #3 and Hope doesn't even question  it...she just goes to Liam (after having hounded both of them for the truth that it was clear she didn't believe) to end it. This, of course, will be followed by the infamous WE WUZ WOBBED shit she would spew for months afterwards once she finds out.

In the bad ol' days, there was the sense that they wanted to be together  but neither ever examined what or why it was they liked about each other. But nowadays, I actually buy that Liam is choosing her and Hope is choosing her battles with Steffy more wisely and it's refreshing to see this second time around.

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1 hour ago, lgprimes said:

Oh PLEASE not Bill and Katie again!

ZERO chemistry

Yet another reason I'm not tuning it right now. 

Batie was an epic FAIL not just once, but twice, and less than a YEAR ago, Katie and Wyatt were thisclose to getting married.

Just NO to a third go-round.

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So we have to wait until Stuffy gets back from her maternity leave for the whole baby-switching story to come to an end?  Talk about a cruel and unusual punishment, not only for Hope and her agony but for us, too!

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That was a quick business meeting since Bill and Katie are now more important than business. 

Wow, I never thought Stuffy and altruistic can be used in the same sentence. Nah, I just had a senior moment. Stuffy is going to Europe and when she gets back Kelly and PhoBeth will be 5 years old. 😉. I guess Liam signed off on Stuffy taking Kelly to Europe.  

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I’ve never been a fan of Steffy’’s but I was pumping my fist today when she told Hope to stop trying to throw Liam and her together and that this is the last time they were going to talk about it. So, she very nicely said “Shut the hell up, Hope!” Kadooz to Steffy!

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6 hours ago, lgprimes said:

Oh PLEASE not Bill and Katie again!

ZERO chemistry

Batie actually did have chemistry in the old days....so much that I thought it was a shame Brad and Victoria didn't get together on Y&R before HTom left that show. But between Bill sniffing around Steffy for the first half of their marriage and then Brooke for the second half and Katie's own brand of neurosis at times, I'd rather see Thorsten Kaye parading around in Ronn Moss's old Speedos that to watch Round 3 of this bullshit.

I liked this whole back-and-forth thing far better with Nick and Bridget. Part of that is sarcasm because that never should've happened, ever, but Nick did put forth an effort to truly win her back each time and even the one time she stepped out on him Nick didn't get up on his injured high horse to run her down.

Bill OTOH wants things his way, to the point that it's been a year since the Steffy boink and he still has yet to make amends with Liam. The last scene I remember the two of them sharing was right after Ridge knocked him over the banister and Bill was comatose for all of it.  I don't see anything new they could add to another Batie reunion that we haven't seen already.

Just give Katie a new love interest and let Bill move onto Steffy and call it a day.

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3 hours ago, Waldo13 said:

I guess Liam signed off on Stuffy taking Kelly to Europe.  

I guess Liam will get plenty of frequent flyer miles, since he’ll have to fly over every time Kelly has the sniffles.

2 hours ago, Anna Yolei said:

I'd rather see Thorsten Kaye parading around in Ronn Moss's old Speedos that to watch Round 3 of this bullshit.

Ummmm don’t push it @Anna Yolei 🥺

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14 hours ago, Gam2 said:

I’ve never been a fan of Steffy’’s but I was pumping my fist today when she told Hope to stop trying to throw Liam and her together and that this is the last time they were going to talk about it. So, she very nicely said “Shut the hell up, Hope!” Kadooz to Steffy!

She was the one who started the bullshit in the first place by having secret conversations and meetings with Liam discussing the adoption together. Then insisting Liam is Phoebe’s father and they’d parent her together.

Now she’s pretending this is all in Hope’s head. Manipulative bitch. 

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Thanks for the Batie times you’ve given me

The memories are all in my mind

But Batie has now come

To the end of its rainbow

And there is something I must shout out loud

Now it’s once, twice

Three times you’ve tried Batie

And I say NoooOOHooOHooooo

Yes, it’s once, twice

Three times you’ve tried Batie

And just NoooOOHooooOHoooo

When Batie was together

The moments became grating

Once Katie’s demands did start

No drinking, no biking, no man fun

Just Katie crying, Katie demanding

Katie trying to change Bill drove them apart

Batie once, twice

Was more than enough

And I implore you

Please no more

I hate Steffy, but good god damn, I had no idea JMW was a Pittie Girl! This post is gonna make it so hard for me to snark on Steffy now! 

Then I saw this and was like WHAAAA!! KKL looks so amazing!

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9 hours ago, Joimiaroxeu said:

I didn't think Katie looked particularly "glam" today. What's Donna up to trying to push Katie back into Bill's arms?

Donna should be worrying about her own love life and get some from Justin already. It's obvious they're still into each other.

Katie...glam?

I'm thinking Donna must have said "glum."

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On 3/13/2019 at 6:26 PM, Gam2 said:

I’ve never been a fan of Steffy’’s but I was pumping my fist today when she told Hope to stop trying to throw Liam and her together and that this is the last time they were going to talk about it. So, she very nicely said “Shut the hell up, Hope!” Kadooz to Steffy!

Big of Hauxdilox to turn down a man who DOESN'T WANT HER. 

If Hauxdilox didn't have a habit of going after men who were already in relationships, especially relationships with Hope, we would never have suffered through the YEARS of the Triangle of Doom.

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13 minutes ago, mightysparrow said:

Big of Hauxdilox to turn a man who DOESN'T WANT HER. 

If Hauxdilox didn't have a habit of going after men who were already in relationships, especially relationships with Hope, we would never have suffered through the YEARS of the Triangle of Doom.

AMEN!

I find it all kinds of hilarious that Hope is practically bodily shoving Liam towards Steffy and Liam is all:

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