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[Anna Yolei]

11 hours ago, domi said:

Why everyone hates Ridge?

 In the end it is not worse than the others!

Is this a womanizer? Yes like all the others ....

The women of the series also sleep with everyone .. And especially the girls Logan.

He capable of the worst as the best, is a human ...

Me anyway I like him, his eyes, his beautiful smile and his voice .... But it is probably TK that I like  lol....

Others have beat me to it, but on top of that, Old Ridge was a huge cad as well. RM could show sensitivity at times like these, but he was very much a bully, namely towards Thorne, anyone who looked at Brooke, Darla and Amber.

RM made a horrible character palpable. TK highlighted what garbage Ridge always was.

[Anna Yolei]

Which speaking of shitty ass Ridge, I breifly wondered whether he had to wash his mouth out with soap for having to sing Thorne's praises at the hearing, until I remember that the only two things Ridge hates more than Bill are bathing and soap.

I assume Brooke's testimony was supposed to have aired today, but the court hearing preempted the episode we have now.

[CharlizeCat]

No. Brooke didn't testify today. I plowed through CBS.com after I saw half of the show was pre-empted.

After Liam finished, they put Katie on the stand and Carter brought up how when Katie discovered that she was accidentally pregnant with Will that Bill urged her to get an abortion due to the huge risk a full-term pregnancy and birth would put on Katie's life.

Katie actually spoke well of Bill and said that once the made the decision to not terminate the pregnancy, that Bill was loving and supportive, but scared to death and that she did almost die giving birth.

Then Justin tried to turn those words around on her and Katie delivered a teary speech about how she didn't want to be in this custody position but she was bound and determined to do what was best for Will. There were tons of tears and Bill looking guilty and the judge looking clearly moved.

That was the end of the show. 

[tessaray]

6 hours ago, CountryGirl said:

You know, it's interesting because when I've watched interviews with KKL and TK, I do see chemistry but there's so much warmth coming from TK and it seems he really likes and respects KKL. It just doesn't translate to his portrayal of Ridge. I guess BB handed him "play Ridge like an asshole at all times" memo.

I don't really keep up with interviews and such, so I'm glad they like each other off-screen anyway. It would make Bridge a lot easier to watch if some of that made it to my television once in a while.  

[MotherInLaw]

Who wears an off the shoulder dress to court?  

[hypnotoad]

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Who wears an off the shoulder dress to court?  

(raises hand) What you don't?!?

[Joimiaroxeu]

B&B too cheap to build an actual courtroom set? They should've had the hearing in Eric's living room. He probably still had the chairs from Thorne and Katie's quickie wedding less than 24 hours ago.

I guess the procedures are more lax in small custody hearings because it was odd to me how so much opinion was allowed to be expressed as fact. Looking at you, Ridge.

Have Justin and Carter ever gone toe-to-toe in court before? The optics of that were kind of amazing to me. Even more amazing would've been if Bill had hired Leslie Michaelson from Genoa City. She was a shark and would've had Carter for breakfast, lunch, and an afternoon snack.

[Waldo13]

7 hours ago, Joimiaroxeu said:

Even more amazing would've been if Bill had hired Leslie Michaelson from Genoa City. She was a shark and would've had Carter for breakfast, lunch, and an afternoon snack.

In more way than one.?

 

I didnt catch all of the proceedings but to me the whole concept of trying to take custody away from Bill is stupid stupid stupid.  An absentee father for a few months is no excuse.  The only way Bill should loose custody if he was physically abusive or molesting Will.  There is no evidence to that fact and a few months should not be taken into account if you calculate the percentage of time Bill was there.  

Think about it, Bill has spent more time with Will than Ridge as spent with Stuffy, Thomas, and RJ in their preteens. 

Edited September 29, 2018 by Waldo13

[TigerLynx]

The entire Bill hasn't been spending enough time with Will, Katie wants him to spend more time with Will, Thorne wants Katie to sue for full custody of Will, and Ridge gets involved happened in the blink of an eye.  No build up, no real story or events.  Just more of Ridge being a jackass.  Most of these people aren't good parents, as is the case with most soap parents, but the idea that Bill should lose custody of Will because Ridge and Thorne say so is ridiculous.  After Brooke testifies, will Brooke sex up Bill or will Ridge sex up Quinn, or will it be simultaneous?

When it comes to Ridge, who I have hated since almost the beginning of the show, at least when RM played Ridge they showed, Caroline, Taylor, Brooke, Ashley etc., having fun and enjoying being with Ridge.  They had happy family scenes with Ridge, Taylor, Thomas, Steffy, and Phoebe, and Ridge, Brooke, RJ and Hope.  Now it's just arguing and misery 99% of the time.

[bannana]

Finally watched the wedding:

• In my memory, this is the most drama free wedding in a while, amirite?  Of course, it is also the most unconvincing couple.
• I loved the colour scheme and thought it was extremely well done.  I guess only in LA can you have wedding planners who can plan a wedding with such an exquisite look, and have all of the dresses and suits and flowers done in 24 hours.
• I actually liked Katie's wedding gown.  It was very 80s, though, and completely out of place at this wedding, both in style and colour.
• Heather Tom sure can cry.
• There is absolutely no chemistry between Katie and Thorne.  Maybe that is why she was crying.
• I found it inexplicable that they would get married in front of Quinn's portrait.  How recent was it that Katie was ready to kill Quinn?  Not to mention boinking her son morning noon and night.  Why couldn't they have been married on the terrace?
• They are definitely going there with Eric and Donna.  Although why can't Donna have Carter?
• I found the look between Ridge and Thorne distasteful when Brooke walked down the aisle.  It was very much along the lines of: look at my trophy wife, she still looks great.  My word bubble had Ridge saying:  How the fuck did I get so lucky to have this woman settle for me?  And Thorne agreeing.
• Will had some cute moments, and Donna and Bridget were sweet with him, as was Quinn.

[Gam2]

We missed the Thursday and Friday episodes due to the Kavanaugh hearings. Can someone do a quick recap of what I missed? Thanks so much. I’m sure I want to smash Ridge in the face as I usually do-ha.

[mightysparrow]

On 9/28/2018 at 12:24 PM, Joimiaroxeu said:

I didn't start watching B&B until shortly before RM left. I had no investment in the Ridge character or RM's portrayal of him. Meanwhile, I loved TK when he was on AMC. But, I can see he's probably not a good fit for the role of Ridge. For one, it seems he doesn't like portraying a dress designer. That's likely why Ridge is rarely shown doing that anymore. TK also doesn't seem to like having romantic partners older than about 30 and I think it has shown in his pairings with both Katie and Brooke. (For the most part I missed the Quinn era so I'm reserving judgment on that.) When Ridge went to put the touch on that custody hearing judge it struck me how much Ridge was like TK's Zach character on AMC. Zach was more than a little shady and was not above putting lots of faceless people's lives at risk, or steamrollering his own friends and family, just to get his way. It's sad to me that a legacy B&B character has been modified to fit the kind of macho character TK seems to want to play. If B&B has $Bill then why does Ridge have to be that kind of character too?

Well said.  TK IS playing Ridge as Zach and it's not working.  Zach was very popular but I couldn't stand the character.  He was the type of toxic macho bully that often passes as masculine.  I always thought his relationship with Kendall was a combination father and hostage taker.  $Bill is a lot like Zach too.  I only started liking Bill when he fell for Brooke because that's when he dropped all the macho bullshit and started relating to a woman as a human being.  That didn't last very long. 

I also agree that TK seems to like his actresses young.  Maybe it's because he thinks it's easier to dominate a younger actress.  If that's what he thinks, he's a fool.  RS had more chemistry and made TK's performance more interesting than any of the sweet young things TK seems to prefer.  The irony is that Alicia Minshew is probably too old to suit TK's standards, even though he's still  riding on Zach/Kendall's coattails.

[TobinAlbers]

1 hour ago, mightysparrow said:

I also agree that TK seems to like his actresses young.  Maybe it's because he thinks it's easier to dominate a younger actress.  If that's what he thinks, he's a fool.  RS had more chemistry and made TK's performance more interesting than any of the sweet young things TK seems to prefer. 

I did like CaRidge when it started as it was forbidden/here Ridge goes again but instead of playing the triangle with Thomas they should've had Caroline get cancer and Ridge be faced with the whole drama of 'This can't happen to me again' and the irony of the younger partner getting ill AND addressing Ridge having gone MIA when Stephanie died and not being able to run away this time with Caroline as his wife. Multitudes of angles to play for TK and his having to play Ridge going through quite a journey only for Caroline to come out the other side of it with the realization that life is too short and that shocker- she's not in love with Ridge. Caroline survives but he loses her anyway, she leaves town and Ridge is then left to rebound to Brooke/Quinn but having had an epic story where he went through hell and we actually gain some sympathy for him. 

 

22 hours ago, Joimiaroxeu said:

B&B too cheap to build an actual courtroom set? They should've had the hearing in Eric's living room. He probably still had the chairs from Thorne and Katie's quickie wedding less than 24 hours ago.

Laughed way too hard at this because it's totally true. That Forrester living room has seen way too many weddings. But I do appreciate that we've never been treated to sexy times on the Forrester mansion couch like Y&R and DOOL. The DiMera sofa should be tossed from all the DNA on it.

[hypnotoad]

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I didnt catch all of the proceedings but to me the whole concept of trying to take custody away from Bill is stupid stupid stupid.

Yeah it is dumb. It makes zero sense aside from the very obvious attempt to make Bill sympathetic which at this point is all I can see this storyline doing.

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I only started liking Bill when he fell for Brooke because that's when he dropped all the macho bullshit and started relating to a woman as a human being.  That didn't last very long. 

I guess though I didn't like him much with her. Frankly, I'm kinda tired of Katie getting tossed under the bus when it's time to build Bill back up. During the whole Bill/Brooke thing - what was Katie doing? Drinking, mental break down and whatever other nonsense. Now? She's taking custody away for no good reason and of course Brooke will run to the rescue for Bill. Sigh.

I would have much preferred Bill finding out he had a brain tumor which is why he was fantasizing about inanimate objects like Sky and Steffy. He could have had a genuine health scare and then realized his true love for Ridge (I am sorry but the actors really do have chemistry). Okay so I know I'd never get that last bit but I will stand by the first part!

[tessaray]

Brain tumors are great for wiping the slate clean from whatever bizarre corner writers get themselves into.  

[ByTor]

7 hours ago, hypnotoad said:

I would have much preferred Bill finding out he had a brain tumor which is why he was fantasizing about inanimate objects like Sky and Steffy.

LOL!!!

[SingerIslander]

I’d followed B&B, even watched it occasionally, before TK joined B&B, but he is a big reason why I watch.  IMO, he’s miscast, and has been from the start, and I have no problem admitting that.  I have some different takes as to what’s going on with his performances, so here goes.

I was a huge Zach and Kendall fan back in the day, and a big part of why the couple worked was because he had a leading lady who was willing to go with him on the long journey, whether it was an ad lib, or a touch, or a laugh.  He’d go off script with something, and she reacted warmly, often doing it right back.  So far, he’s had a very different experience on B&B.

Heather Tom—IMO, she was an iceberg with him.  He’d go to touch her neck, and I swear I saw her recoil.  Different kind of actor, I guess.  If it wasn’t on the page, she didn’t do it.  There was an interview with HT and TK where HT said that they had a good collaboration, where if TK had a suggestion which differed from the script, they’d both go to Brad Bell to discuss.  But I called bullshit.  HT has had the success she’s had by not rocking the boat, by being a team player, and going along to get along.  Not a knock on her, but just another reason why I didn’t see any chemistry between the actors, though I'm sure they got along just fine.

LG—His best pairing to date, and he knew it.  It was new and fresh, and LG played with him.  He’d ad lib, she’d match him.  He’d pinch her or caress her, she’d do it right back.  It made me wince when I’d hear him say the same lines Zach said to Kendall which made them work so well together—he certainly tried to recreate Zendall with CaRidge, heaven knows.  But I understood it.   Here was an actress giving more to him than HT, and it was a fresh pairing with no baggage, like “But she used to be your sister in law!” with Katie.  (The Caroline I connection was rarely, if ever, mentioned.)  He thought he could create gold with her, like he did with Alicia Minshew, but B&B cut that short.  For a short time, his disappointment came through in some of his acting choices, particularly with KKL--I'm not defending him, just stating what I think was going on with him, and I do believe that's subsided by now.  

KKL—IMO, she’s somewhere in between HT and LG.  She’s more willing to laugh with him or caress him when Ridge is playful, but she’s also very much tied to script.  She respects and values Bridge’s history, so it stands to reason she’ll go along.  But she’s also not an ad libber, and TK is more stilted with her, as he was with HT.  He likes KKL, you can see that in his interviews and even in his scenes with her.  And I’ll go a step further—TK is a practical man.  He knows that his recast has not worked with some of the audience, and yet he's paired with KKL, the Grande Dame of B&B.  So he’s going to try to sell Bridge as much as he can, in interviews and on screen.  But I think he’s limited by the writing (where he’s got zero influence, as he’s recently admitted, which has to be frustrating for him), and by a leading lady with whom he’s working hard to connect.  No shade on her, just an observation.  Different actors, different styles. 

I would like TK to be more clean-shaven in his scenes.  I’d like his voice to be stronger in his scenes.  He doesn’t speak as clearly as he should, whether it’s due to exhaustion, or sinus issues, or whatever.  And I agree that sometimes, he’s made the wrong acting choice in a scene.  But I buy him as JMW’s father.  I have no problem with his performances in his scenes in the custody storyline.  Ridge has been written to be consumed with hatred—that’s on the writing.  So as of the scenes that are on the air and have aired over the last few months, he’s doing ok.  Not great, but ok, IMO.

I’m not sure what would happen if he was paired with RS, but one thing I noticed was that he held back in Quidge scenes.  RS played infatuation, lust, whatever, to the hilt.  He would do it, too, but then he’d stop.  I saw him hold back, and thought I might be crazy, but then RS said something like that in an interview at B&B’s 30th Anniversary show—that she was flirting with him, but TK wasn’t giving much back—that confirmed it.  I would guess his strong ick at a son seducing his father’s wife, when son/father were close and loving, influenced his acting a lot. In the end, since they didn’t go there with Quidge, his acting choices didn’t hurt the story.  But if they ever do go there, he’ll have to give more to their scenes, and that will be interesting to see what kind of leading lady RS is on the HT-LG-KKL spectrum.   

Edited September 30, 2018 by SingerIslander

[mightysparrow]

28 minutes ago, SingerIslander said:

I’d followed B&B, even watched it occasionally, before TK joined B&B, but he is a big reason why I watch.  IMO, he’s miscast, and has been from the start, and I have no problem admitting that.  I have some different takes as to what’s going on with his performances, so here goes.

I was a huge Zach and Kendall fan back in the day, and a big part of why the couple worked was because he had a leading lady who was willing to go with him on the long journey, whether it was an ad lib, or a touch, or a laugh.  He’d go off script with something, and she reacted warmly, often doing it right back.  So far, he’s had a very different experience on B&B.

Heather Tom—IMO, she was an iceberg with him.  He’d go to touch her neck, and I swear I saw her recoil.  Different kind of actor, I guess.  If it wasn’t on the page, she didn’t do it.  There was an interview with HT and TK where HT said that they had a good collaboration, where if TK had a suggestion which differed from the script, they’d both go to Brad Bell to discuss.  But I called bullshit.  HT has had the success she’s had by not rocking the boat, by being a team player, and going along to get along.  Not a knock on her, but just another reason why I didn’t see any chemistry between the actors, though I'm sure they got along just fine.

LG—His best pairing to date, and he knew it.  It was new and fresh, and LG played with him.  He’d ad lib, she’d match him.  He’d pinch her or caress her, she’d do it right back.  It made me wince when I’d hear him say the same lines Zach said to Kendall which made them work so well together—he certainly tried to recreate Zendall with CaRidge, heaven knows.  But I understood it.   Here was an actress giving more to him than HT, and it was a fresh pairing with no baggage, like “But she used to be your sister in law!” with Katie.  (The Caroline I connection was rarely, if ever, mentioned.)  He thought he could create gold with her, like he did with Alicia Minshew, but B&B cut that short.  For a short time, his disappointment came through in some of his acting choices, particularly with KKL--I'm not defending him, just stating what I think was going on with him, and I do believe that's subsided by now.  

KKL—IMO, she’s somewhere in between HT and LG.  She’s more willing to laugh with him or caress him when Ridge is playful, but she’s also very much tied to script.  She respects and values Bridge’s history, so it stands to reason she’ll go along.  But she’s also not an ad libber, and TK is more stilted with her, as he was with HT.  He likes KKL, you can see that in his interviews and even in his scenes with her.  And I’ll go a step further—TK is a practical man.  He knows that his recast has not worked with some of the audience, and yet he's paired with KKL, the Grande Dame of B&B.  So he’s going to try to sell Bridge as much as he can, in interviews and on screen.  But I think he’s limited by the writing (where he’s got zero influence, as he’s recently admitted, which has to be frustrating for him), and by a leading lady with whom he’s working hard to connect.  No shade on her, just an observation.  Different actors, different styles. 

I would like TK to be more clean-shaven in his scenes.  I’d like his voice to be stronger in his scenes.  He doesn’t speak as clearly as he should, whether it’s due to exhaustion, or sinus issues, or whatever.  And I agree that sometimes, he’s made the wrong acting choice in a scene.  But I buy him as JMW’s father.  I have no problem with his performances in his scenes in the custody storyline.  Ridge has been written to be consumed with hatred—that’s on the writing.  So as of the scenes that are on the air and have aired over the last few months, he’s doing ok.  Not great, but ok, IMO.

I’m not sure what would happen if he was paired with RS, but one thing I noticed was that he held back in Quidge scenes.  RS played infatuation, lust, whatever, to the hilt.  He would do it, too, but then he’d stop.  I saw him hold back, and thought I might be crazy, but then RS said something like that in an interview at B&B’s 30th Anniversary show—that she was flirting with him, but TK wasn’t giving much back—that confirmed it.  I would guess his strong ick at a son seducing his father’s wife, when son/father were close and loving, influenced his acting a lot. In the end, since they didn’t go there with Quidge, his acting choices didn’t hurt the story.  But if they ever do go there, he’ll have to give more to their scenes, and that will be interesting to see what kind of leading lady RS is on the HT-LG-KKL spectrum.   

Ad-libbing is great on a comedy show or an improv show.  But according to union rules, an actor is required to stick to the script and how a scene is rehearsed.  Veering off script and then blaming the actor playing opposite when it doesn't work because THEY didn't go along with the improv is bush-league acting.  TK strikes me as a very selfish actor.  I'm sure he LOVED that Alicia Minshew put up with his bullshit for all those years.  TK does what he wants to do and he doesn't seem to care much about how the person acting opposite feels.  I don't much care for Katie but I do know that Heather Tom is a PROFESSIONAL, not some self-indulgent wanker still stuck in acting school.

The reason I liked RS with TK is because she gave as good as she got.  She didn't just hold her own with him and it was great to see the mighty TK working opposite a woman who didn't hesitate to make strong acting choices.  I wouldn't be surprised to hear that TK wanted out of Quinn/Ridge to begin with because he wasn't the dominant actor in that pairing.  If Quinn and Ridge get back together, it's probably going to be to give RS something to sink her teeth in, not to mollify TK.

Brooke/Ridge is a safe choice for him because working opposite KKL puts him front and center and he seems to like being there.  KKL is also a professional.  She's been working her ass off trying to sell Bridge and TK hasn't been giving her much help.  KKL might like TK but I have to wonder if she likes working with him.  Maybe that's why she's been getting more scenes with DD lately.  She doesn't have to work so hard with DD, another professional.  He's spontaneous but he's mature enough to know what the boundaries are.

I get the feeling that the powers that be have given up on Ridge.  The character has always been an asshole but with Ronnnnnnn Moss he was a charming asshole.  Bell doesn't even bother to write Ridge as charming anymore.  He's an unkempt, blustering bully.  We're supposed to believe that THIS GUY grew up in the fashion industry?  I don't know how much Bell is paying TK, but he definitely isn't getting his money's worth.

[TigerLynx]

It's interesting to see the different opinions on the actors/actresses.  I liked TK as Zach, and that probably had a lot to do with AM being Kendall.  I've never liked Ridge, but RM and TK seem like nice enough people.  However, TK is horribly miscast as Ridge.  KKL is okay as an actress, but that's about it.  I've never liked HThom as Katie.  I think DD is great as Bill, and that's possibly because DD is willing to play up the camp with Bill.

When it comes to this custody SL though, I place most of the fault on the writers.  I don't know if they just wanted to do a custody SL, and rushed into it because taking the time to develop the SL and the characters motivations didn't interest them, or if they just want to always go to the default of Ridge and Bill hate each other.  The other possibility is that certain couples weren't working, and they wanted a reason to split them up and pair them with other people.  I wouldn't be surprised if this SL results in Ridge/Quinn, Brooke/Bill, and Eric/Donna.

[TobinAlbers]

8 hours ago, tessaray said:

Brain tumors are great for wiping the slate clean from whatever bizarre corner writers get themselves into.  

Or a stroke. Many a shady patriarch has had to mount a medical comeback which makes them sympathetic, rallies the kids, and allows for a journey to getting back on top. Adam Chandler and Palmer Cortlandt on AMC, Alan Spaulding on GL, and so on. They wasted the shooting on Bill where he just used the fallout as a bat to beat Liam and then Taylor with. With Bill's amount of drinking and red meat indulgence and stress levels AND post shooting complications he'd be a prime candidate for a stroke where he'd become absolutely dependent on someone else and unable to run SP which would cause a legit power vacuum crisis and a battle for the chair. Maybe Karen sends an experienced female executive as her proxy to run Spencer. Meanwhile Bill gets a male physical therapist that he can't bully or charm who actually becomes a respected valued friend as he makes his recovery. Then when Bill is recovered he wants to take back over but this new executive isn't about to handover the company and Bill's mettle is tested and of course the two of them begin to fall for each other. Eileen Davidson would work and she's available! 

[TigerLynx]

And the actors who played Adam, Palmer, and Alan embraced their bad guy personas.  They didn't insist on their characters always winning or always getting away with everything they did.  I really loved David Canary's portrayal of Adam and Stewart on AMC.  Not only were Adam and Stewart believable as different characters, but there were also subtle differences when Adam would pretend to be Stewart or Stewart would pretend to be Adam.

That would be a good SL for Bill Tobin Albers.  It would also be a nice break from the never ending triangles.

[Anna Yolei]

13 hours ago, TobinAlbers said:

did like CaRidge when it started as it was forbidden/here Ridge goes again but instead of playing the triangle with Thomas they should've had Caroline get cancer and Ridge be faced with the whole drama of 'This can't happen to me again' and the irony of the younger partner getting ill AND addressing Ridge having gone MIA when Stephanie died and not being able to run away this time with Caroline as his wife. Multitudes of angles to play for TK and his having to play Ridge going through quite a journey only for Caroline to come out the other side of it with the realization that life is too short and that shocker- she's not in love with Ridge. Caroline survives but he loses her anyway, she leaves town and Ridge is then left to rebound to Brooke/Quinn but having had an epic story where he went through hell and we actually gain some sympathy for him. 

Man, this would've been great and would've made the squick factor of Ridge dating the niece of his first love gone down a little better instead of lame baby drama and especially The Misunderstanding. Between Ridge hiding the baby from his son and Caroline's behavior last year, that would've been a much better story.

To whoever was discussing the fact that Bill wouldn't lose visitation over a few months' lost time (as I can't seem to find it again): my half-brother had a father he hadn't see since before he started kindergarten come out the fucking woodwork a whole year and a half before he turned 18 during one of his relatively sober periods and the judge, who was running for District Attorney and needed numbers for her "reunion" success rate, was pushing this mediation crap on us despite the restraining order that was filed in the same county or the testimony of his ex-wife who said he molested his daughter...or the fact that, you know, if you're old enough to drive, you're old enough to say you're not wasting time getting to know a total stranger

Eventually, what got the case thrown out was the fact that somehow, the case was switched to a different judge and the fact that the guy didn't show up cuz he was on drugs, but the judge told my mom is was complete bullshit it even went this far for a then-17 year old boy.

Point is, even in extreme cases like this, losing custody rights is difficult. A guy who had a few bad months could probably wing it.

7 minutes ago, TigerLynx said:

And the actors who played Adam, Palmer, and Alan embraced their bad guy personas.  They didn't insist on their characters always winning or always getting away with everything they did. 

I don't know if Don Diamont does that or not tbh. I'd like to think not, considering all the Y&R drama that plauged that show, especially with Eric Btaedan running interference in stories he wasn't even involved it.

I agree that seeing a character always win gets beyond tiresome.

[SingerIslander]

3 hours ago, mightysparrow said:

Ad-libbing is great on a comedy show or an improv show.  But according to union rules, an actor is required to stick to the script and how a scene is rehearsed.  Veering off script and then blaming the actor playing opposite when it doesn't work because THEY didn't go along with the improv is bush-league acting.  TK strikes me as a very selfish actor.  I'm sure he LOVED that Alicia Minshew put up with his bullshit for all those years.  TK does what he wants to do and he doesn't seem to care much about how the person acting opposite feels.  I don't much care for Katie but I do know that Heather Tom is a PROFESSIONAL, not some self-indulgent wanker still stuck in acting school.

I get the feeling that the powers that be have given up on Ridge.  The character has always been an asshole but with Ronnnnnnn Moss he was a charming asshole.  Bell doesn't even bother to write Ridge as charming anymore.  He's an unkempt, blustering bully.  We're supposed to believe that THIS GUY grew up in the fashion industry?  I don't know how much Bell is paying TK, but he definitely isn't getting his money's worth.

I might not have been clear, but I don't think TK has ever tossed a script out a window because he wanted to ad lib.  No EP, let alone a HW, would stand for that, and in this day and age, when actors can be replaced so quickly by the hundreds of unemployed soap actors roaming around (especially actors who already live in CA), I don't think TK would have a job if that were the case.  I do think that adding something new to the script, that doesn't change the meaning of the scene, is often allowed, and in some acting circles, encouraged.  (It definitely was on All My Children, as Michael E. Knight, Ricky Paul Goldin and even David Canary could also attest.)  B&B may be a set where most actors don't do that, but CaRidge was successful, in part, because TK did add things to scenes that weren't on the script, and that his leading lady happily joined in doing.  I don't think that makes him, or even LG, unprofessional.  It makes him different from alot of other B&B actors, and it's an adjustment I think he's been struggling with since he was first hired.     

TK is 4th in airtime on B&B this year.  (Guess who the top 3 actors with airtime are and you win a prize.)  He's front and center in this custody story, when alot of fans are asking why on earth Ridge should give a crap about Will's custody.  I think that shows that TPTB have not given up on Ridge at all.  Ask Jacob Young if he thinks that B&B has given up on Rick or Maya--trick question, since JY has already tweeted his answers a few weeks back.  It's all about airtime and writing for the character.  Ridge is written to be aggressive, irrational at times, obsessed, and oblivious to what his wife is doing, but he's a player in this story.  Ridge may be out of character, and totally repugnant.  I get it.  Maybe RM's Ridge would never have gotten this writing, but TK didn't write it.  He's playing what's on the page.  I can't fault him for that.  If he sounds like a bully, if he sounds Zach-like (and to me, they're not the same, but YMMV), that's Brad Bell's doing.     

Edited September 30, 2018 by SingerIslander

[CharlizeCat]

I still don't get the allure of TK.  What was Brad Bell thinking when he hired TK, anyway?  I know, I know, it was the potential fan base from AMC. But you'd think that the two would have had some serious meetings, discussed the character, history, motives, etc.*  I get that of course, you need to give a new actor/actress some leeway to put some of their own spin on a character but the way Ridge has been so thoroughly trashed is ridiculous. 

While he is leaps and bounds over Ronn Moss, I can't say that I think TK is some sort of brilliant actor. All he does is yell and scowl and browbeat everybody he is in a scene with -- except JMW. From what some of the rest of you have explained about how TK prefers to work with younger actresses, this now makes more sense. (Still, I can live without the borderline leering and not-so-covert sexual attraction. Ick.) 

I have been on this soapbox here many many times (particularly about Adam Gregory.) If you are hired to go a job, do the f-ing job the way you are instructed to and being (well) compensated for. I wish that TPTB on some of these shows would have the balls to fire the difficult egotistical "talent" who refuse to be team players. 

That said, I would be thrilled if BB kicked Ridge's slimy ass to the curb with a good death or permanent banishment from L.A. SL.  He really should have had the courage to just kill Ridge off when RM left. The show would have survived just fine without the character. It's breezing along just fine without Stephanie. (SF is surely thanking her lucky stars that she bailed before this show took a nosedive.) 

*I am clearly convinced that Brad Bell just grabs available actors who he thinks will bring in ratings without any thought of how well they will fit in the with SL and cast. Then he is stuck trying to figure out what to do with them -- prime example -- "The Summer of Sheila."

[mightysparrow]

16 minutes ago, SingerIslander said:

I might not have been clear, but I don't think TK has ever tossed a script out a window because he wanted to ad lib.  No EP, let alone a HW, would stand for that, and in this day and age, when actors can be replaced so quickly by the hundreds of unemployed soap actors roaming around (especially actors who already live in CA), I don't think TK would have a job if that were the case.  I do think that adding something new to the script, that doesn't change the meaning of the scene, is often allowed, and in some acting circles, encouraged.  (It definitely was on All My Children, as Michael E. Knight, Ricky Paul Goldin and even David Canary could also attest.)  B&B may be a set where most actors don't do that, but CaRidge was successful, in part, because TK did add things to scenes that weren't on the script, and that his leading lady happily joined in doing.  I don't think that makes him, or even LG, unprofessional.  It makes him different from alot of other B&B actors, and it's an adjustment I think he's been struggling with since he was first hired.     

 

There ARE a lot of unemployed soap actors around these days.  That's why I have such a hard time understanding why TK is gainfully employed.  The hype is that he's some super-acto,r but I've NEVER seen any proof of that on AMC and especially on B&B.  Maybe it's because he hangs out with talented actors that people believe he's one too.

The actors you mentioned (Michael E. Knight, Ricky Paul Goldin and David Canary) are head and shoulders above TK.  They were all versatile, INTERESTING actors, unlike TK's one-note acting style.  The reason Ridge is just like Zach is because that's apparently all TK can play. 

The AMC set was probably a lot different than the B&B set because there were a lot of well-trained, experienced actors on the set.  Not so much with the B&B set.  Interpretation of a script is one thing.  Deliberately changing things is another.  The mark of a professional is to adapt to the situation that they're in and I don't think that TK has made that adjustment.

I think the reason Ridge is such a prominent character is because Bell is paying TK a lot of money and wants to get his money's worth.  If I were Bell, I'd swallow the loss and toss Ridge out of a helicopter.

 

28 minutes ago, CharlizeCat said:

I still don't get the allure of TK.  What was Brad Bell thinking when he hired TK, anyway?  I know, I know, it was the potential fan base from AMC. But you'd think that the two would have had some serious meetings, discussed the character, history, motives, etc.*  I get that of course, you need to give a new actor/actress some leeway to put some of their own spin on a character but the way Ridge has been so thoroughly trashed is ridiculous. 

While he is leaps and bounds over Ronn Moss, I can't say that I think TK is some sort of brilliant actor. All he does is yell and scowl and browbeat everybody he is in a scene with -- except JMW. From what some of the rest of you have explained about how TK prefers to work with younger actresses, this now makes more sense. (Still, I can live without the borderline leering and not-so-covert sexual attraction. Ick.) 

I have been on this soapbox here many many times (particularly about Adam Gregory.) If you are hired to go a job, do the f-ing job the way you are instructed to and being (well) compensated for. I wish that TPTB on some of these shows would have the balls to fire the difficult egotistical "talent" who refuse to be team players. 

That said, I would be thrilled if BB kicked Ridge's slimy ass to the curb with a good death or permanent banishment from L.A. SL.  He really should have had the courage to just kill Ridge off when RM left. The show would have survived just fine without the character. It's breezing along just fine without Stephanie. (SF is surely thanking her lucky stars that she bailed before this show took a nosedive.) 

*I am clearly convinced that Brad Bell just grabs available actors who he thinks will bring in ratings without any thought of how well they will fit in the with SL and cast. Then he is stuck trying to figure out what to do with them -- prime example -- "The Summer of Sheila."

Agreed.  An actor who doesn't bother to show up unless he's working with a younger, preferably untalented woman has his head way too far up his own ass.  Does TK believe that JMW makes him look good? 

[domi]

I think a lot of people think that TK is Ridge in real life.

I advise you to watch these 2 videos on you Tube and you will see how this guy is great and kind.   

And there is a lot of complicity between the actors

[tessaray]

I wouldn't call TK one note exactly, though he does tend to easily dominate a scene. He was charming as well as overbearing as Dr. Ian Thornhart on Port Charles and he got to play the romantic poet as Patrick Thornhart on OLTL. I always assumed Patrick was closest to his real self because of the poetry. 

Agreed that it helps a lot when he is clean shaven and his hair is short though a lot of fans loved Patrick's long hair. (Not me.)  

My main fear about the upcoming musical partners is Quinn. While I wouldn't mind if she regained a little of her edge, I like who she is with Eric and don't want to watch her cheat on him, or have Eric paranoid that Q/R are a thing. Of course, if Eric and Donna cheat first, I'll bring the popcorn for Quinn's hell hath no fury. 

[mightysparrow]

I've never heard anything but good things about TK.  He appears to be a nice man who is very well liked.  I just don't think he lives up to the considerable hype and I do think he's a one note actor.  Maybe one and a half on a good day.  If his dreadful portrayal of Ridge is an acting choice, he needs to have the self-awareness to realize it's a BAD choice.

39 minutes ago, tessaray said:

My main fear about the upcoming musical partners is Quinn. While I wouldn't mind if she regained a little of her edge, I like who she is with Eric and don't want to watch her cheat on him, or have Eric paranoid that Q/R are a thing. Of course, if Eric and Donna cheat first, I'll bring the popcorn for Quinn's hell hath no fury. 

I like Quinn with Eric too.  I liked the idea that loving Eric made Quinn a better person (just like it did for Bill loving Brooke).  I thought that TK and RS played very well together but I never forgot that their relationship started out with Ridge (with Liam's help) setting out to seduce Quinn to get her away from his father.  It was a very ugly set-up that turned into a case of 'fooled around and fell in love'.  I'd hate for Quinn and Ridge to start up again and betray Eric for a second time.  And I really don't want a return to psycho Quinn.  If Eric cheats on Quinn, I'd be interested in a Quinn/Bill  hookup, even though I'm rooting for Brill 2.0.  RS and DD do have a lot of chemistry and wouldn't Wyatt be pleased to have his mommy and daddy back together?

[SweePea59]

2 hours ago, mightysparrow said:

RS and DD do have a lot of chemistry and wouldn't Wyatt be pleased to have his mommy and daddy back together?

Oh, that's funny! I think Wyatt would just make that screwed-up scowly face he makes all the friggin' time.

[Anna Yolei]

On 9/30/2018 at 7:18 AM, mightysparrow said:

Ad-libbing is great on a comedy show or an improv show.  But according to union rules, an actor is required to stick to the script and how a scene is rehearsed. 

Someone at Y&R didn't let Michelle Stafford know that. Maybe she ate the memo along with the rest of the scenery. :|

On 9/30/2018 at 10:26 AM, CharlizeCat said:

 

I have been on this soapbox here many many times (particularly about Adam Gregory.) If you are hired to go a job, do the f-ing job the way you are instructed to and being (well) compensated for. I wish that TPTB on some of these shows would have the balls to fire the difficult egotistical "talent" who refuse to be team players. 

That, I will give Ronn Moss. His acting was maybe better than we ever gave him credit for because he played that entire Ridge and Bridget storyline with complete sincerity and from the blessedly scant few clips of that horrid relationship on YT, you would never know it was easily RM's least favorite plot that he was personally squicked over until it came up in an interview after he left.

He's a class act for not walking away then.

Edited October 2, 2018 by Anna Yolei

[Mikita]

3 hours ago, mightysparrow said:

I've never heard anything but good things about TK.  He appears to be a nice man who is very well liked.  I just don't think he lives up to the considerable hype and I do think he's a one note actor.  Maybe one and a half on a good day.  If his dreadful portrayal of Ridge is an acting choice, he needs to have the self-awareness to realize it's a BAD choice.

I have never seen the actor in anything else. Him saying wanna and gonna drive me crazy. Was this something he did on other shows? Prep school educated Ridge Forrester would never speak like this. It draws me out of the scene every time he says it, and he says it a lot! If this is an acting choice it is horribly wrong for the character of Ridge Forrester.

[drivethroo]

Has Eileen Davidson been on B&B as Ashley Abbott or was that another actress?  I know Ashley was on B&B at some point but I don't know if it was ED playing her.

[SweePea59]

Yes, ED played Ashley on B&B. She was paired with RM Ridge & they were probably the best couple ever on this show. And then at the snap of her fingers he went back to Brooke. Disappointing.

[domi]

Il y a 9 heures, Mikita a déclaré:

Je n'ai jamais vu l'acteur dans rien d'autre. Lui dit vouloir et va me rendre fou. Était-ce quelque chose qu'il avait fait sur d'autres séries? Ridge Forrester n'a jamais été parlé comme ça. Cela me fatigue de la scène à chaque fois qu'il dit, et il dit beaucoup! Si c'est un choix d'acteur, c'est terriblement faux pour le personnage de Ridge Forrester.

Ce n'est pas Ridge Forrester mais Ridge Marone et il devient ce que son vrai père était.

Et je trouve le personnage interressant.

Ridge n'est pas une personne simple, il est sombre, égoïste mais il se bat pour rester une bonne personne.

C'est pourquoi il est si bon avec Quinn. Mêmes âmes

Et pour cela, les savoirs traditionnels sont meilleurs que les RM.

Je vois beaucoup de possibilités pour Ridge Marone, alors que le personnage Ridge Forrester tourne en rond ...

Edited October 1, 2018 by domi

[domi]

Il y a 1 heure, domi a dit:

Ce n'est pas Ridge Forrester mais Ridge Marone et il devient ce que son vrai père était.

Et je trouve le personnage interressant.

Ridge n'est pas une personne simple, il est sombre, égoïste de rester, mais il se bat pour rester une bonne personne.

C'est pourquoi il est si bon avec Quinn. Mêmes âmes

Et pour cela, les savoirs traditionnels sont meilleurs que les RM.

Je vois beaucoup de possibilités pour Ridge Marone, alors que le personnage Ridge Forrester tourne en rond ...

 

Edited October 1, 2018 by domi

[AngelKitty]

I remember when TK first appeared, my heart fluttered. I was quite enamored and looking forward to him as Ridge, but then I got to know him and I fell out of love.

[Gam2]

For Heaven’s sake. Katie is wearing the same ugly dress that Ashley is wearing today. And what the hell is Slutty wearing on her body and on her head??!! She looks like a damn hooker. Who approves the clothing and hair on this show? 

[Anna Yolei]

18 hours ago, SweePea59 said:

Yes, ED played Ashley on B&B. She was paired with RM Ridge & they were probably the best couple ever on this show. And then at the snap of her fingers he went back to Brooke. Disappointing.

Come to think of it, that was his first major love interest outside of Brooke and Taylor that Ridge ever had since Caroline died.

But, yeah. They did work well together and easily the best relationship for either of them. Even without Brooke, they would be doomed since ED would eventually ended up at Y&R and lusting once again for Victor's decrepit peen.

Sigh.

[hypnotoad]

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The actors you mentioned (Michael E. Knight,

Michael E Knight as Ridge? Yes! That silver haired fox would be completely believable as Ridge. He'd have great chemistry with KKL too - there aren't many actresses that he didn't have chemistry with in his time on AMC. Of course the writing would be awful but MEK has charm and charisma and could at least make the bad writing palatable. Honestly I think Bridge has been boring for YEARS now but I think with an actor like MEK, that pairing could be brought back to life. Alas too much wishful thinking on my part.

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They did work well together and easily the best relationship for either of them

I actually really liked Ridge and Ashley and was thoroughly disappointed when it was all tossed away ... again for Ridge to once again go back to Brooke. Uggghh. Such a waste.

I need someone to explain the purpose of Thorne on this show. I mean seriously. Why even bring the character back for this?

[Petunia13]

On 9/30/2018 at 10:37 AM, TigerLynx said:

And the actors who played Adam, Palmer, and Alan embraced their bad guy personas.  They didn't insist on their characters always winning or always getting away with everything they did.  I really loved David Canary's portrayal of Adam and Stewart on AMC.  Not only were Adam and Stewart believable as different characters, but there were also subtle differences when Adam would pretend to be Stewart or Stewart would pretend to be Adam.

That would be a good SL for Bill Tobin Albers.  It would also be a nice break from the never ending triangles.

IMO in my years of watching many different soaps David Canary was the best actor in daytime history. And he was consistent that he put 100% in and fucking delivered, even when he had crap material he spun shit into gold. Some of his scenes as Stuart left me sobbing and some of his scenes as Adam had me walking away shaking my head saying "You son of a bitch." You are right in the past many of the great leads in soaps, even villains would fail or demonstrate insecurity or express uncertainty. It kinda sucks the soaps and characters I miss ?

Back to today and B&B are they just going to pass up that Bill dropped a building on his other son and fucked his wife? I know Will's a tot but it shows how careless his papa is regarding his children's wellbeing.

Katie's pregnancy troubles may be foreshadowing, like she may be preggo by Thorne and lose it or Thorne will want a baby and Katie will be reticent then he will dump her or some shit. Thorne def wants to replicate what he had with Darla and Ally. Dude, you can't, and it won't erase or fix where you went wrong. 

[Joimiaroxeu]

Seems to me Hope's almost always itching for an argument with Steffy. To an extent she's entitled but geez, maybe she could stand down a couple of days a week.

Justin called Bill "$Bill" during the custody hearing. Even under the relatively informal conditions, wasn't that a bit too casual?

Bill wears a suit well. Meanwhile, Ridge looked to me like he'd just rolled out of bed after having slept in his suit.

"Your authority does not exceed the authority that made me Will's father." In other words, "You're not the boss of me!" Yikes, Bill. Maybe arrogant was not the way to go.

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Michael E Knight as Ridge?

Yes, please! MEK proved on AMC he can play a randy, woman-chasing dog as well as a guy who's a bit of a scarf-wearing dandy. IMO he'd be perfect as Ridge. Y&R sadly underused his skills when they had him for a short while.

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Katie's pregnancy troubles may be foreshadowing,

Wouldn't Katie having another baby be a really bad idea? Bad heart, alcoholism, severe postpartum depression. Then there'd be the pressure of producing a suitable Forrester heir from a "geriatric pregnancy." Man, I hope Thorne won't be that big of a selfish d-bag though I could see Thorne trying to influence him in that direction.

[Waldo13]

I vote Ridge as most hypocritical on B&B. Wasn't Ridge in pursuit of Eric's wife?  Wasn't Ridge in pursuit of Bill's wife?  So Ridge also was pursuing other men's wife's.  They bring up Katie's lapses as insignificant; but Bill, being shot, should have been explored more as a life altering experience.  

[Anna Yolei]

21 minutes ago, Waldo13 said:

I vote Ridge as most hypocritical on B&B. Wasn't Ridge in pursuit of Eric's wife?  Wasn't Ridge in pursuit of Bill's wife?  

Ridge has also persued the wives of all three of his brothers and kept the paternity of his grandchild a secret to hold onto that wife.?

Ridge continues to be The Worst.

[mightysparrow]

4 hours ago, hypnotoad said:

Michael E Knight as Ridge? Yes! That silver haired fox would be completely believable as Ridge. He'd have great chemistry with KKL too - there aren't many actresses that he didn't have chemistry with in his time on AMC. Of course the writing would be awful but MEK has charm and charisma and could at least make the bad writing palatable. Honestly I think Bridge has been boring for YEARS now but I think with an actor like MEK, that pairing could be brought back to life. Alas too much wishful thinking on my part.

I actually really liked Ridge and Ashley and was thoroughly disappointed when it was all tossed away ... again for Ridge to once again go back to Brooke. Uggghh. Such a waste.

I need someone to explain the purpose of Thorne on this show. I mean seriously. Why even bring the character back for this?

You're breaking my heart!  Michael E. Knight would SLAY as Ridge.  Instead of pining for Ronnnnnnnn Moss it would be 'Ronnnnnnnnn WHO?'  The beginning of the end of soaps was the minute ABC cancelled All My Children.  I started watching when I was a little girl; that cast was like old friends.  Phoebe, Myrtle, Jenny.  ERICA KANE!!  I still miss AMC. 

[TigerLynx]

14 hours ago, Petunia13 said:

IMO in my years of watching many different soaps David Canary was the best actor in daytime history.

I think David Canary was one of the best actors I ever saw in anything.

12 hours ago, Joimiaroxeu said:

Seems to me Hope's almost always itching for an argument with Steffy. To an extent she's entitled but geez, maybe she could stand down a couple of days a week.

Hope will always wonder if Liam would have chosen her if Steffy had not taken herself out of the running.  Hope "won" so she looks petty when she starts an argument with Steffy, but Hope wouldn't be in this position if Hope and Steffy weren't so willing to be Liam's doormats.

11 hours ago, Anna Yolei said:

Ridge has also persued the wives of all three of his brothers and kept the paternity of his grandchild a secret to hold onto that wife.?

Ridge continues to be The Worst.

Yes, he does.  I remember how angry Ridge was when he found out the truth about Thomas' paternity.  Ridge is still the biggest hypocrite on this show.

[ByaNose]

On ‎9‎/‎28‎/‎2018 at 2:09 PM, CountryGirl said:

You know, it's interesting because when I've watched interviews with KKL and TK, I do see chemistry but there's so much warmth coming from TK and it seems he really likes and respects KKL. It just doesn't translate to his portrayal of Ridge. I guess BB handed him "play Ridge like an asshole at all times" memo.

Yeah, I totally see if off the show. They've done a lot of Q&A's and they are so friendly and get along so well. I really do think it's because he admires her work and dedication to the daytime genre. Unfortunately, it never translated to on screen chemistry. He has more chemistry with Rena Sofer and she has more chemistry with Don Diamont. Of course, KKL had off the charts chemistry with Ronn Moss thus Brooke and Ridge being together for so long. It's all about the chemistry and KKL & TK don't have it on screen.

[CharlizeCat]

I thought the show was pretty good yesterday.  That was mainly because the A-league actors were in the spotlight, with the exception of a few unnecessary moments with Hauxdi and Hope.

If I were a judge (partial or otherwise) I think the testimony clearly weighs in Katie's favor.  I think that her final plea made a lot of sense; right now, it would truly be best for Bill to not have custody.  Kudos (or not) to Brooke for cleverly sidestepping the question about her affair with Bill being the catalyst for Katie's drinking.

While it was great to see Carter and Justin doing more than performing weddings or serving as Bill's conscience, they were pretty lame in the role of family law practitioners. 

[ByaNose]

BTW!

Was that the smallest judges chamber office ever? The cast was practically sitting in each others laps. I know there are budge cuts but that was a pretty small set. Does Joe Lando really cost that much?

[Joimiaroxeu]

Bill, Will, and Katie should be in family therapy. Will's gonna grow up with a warped sense of his importance and power if they let him think he can play his parents against each other via custody battles.

I'm thinking now would be a good time for Bill to reveal he's Kelly's father. ? "Forrester, you take my son, I take your granddaughter. Checkmate."

So now Zach, er, Ridge has a judge he can blackmail anytime he wants. Ugh.

[Anna Yolei]

1 hour ago, Joimiaroxeu said:

I'm thinking now would be a good time for Bill to reveal he's Kelly's father. ? "Forrester, you take my son, I take your granddaughter. Checkmate."

I hope this is what it's setting up to. Nothing else would make sense if we're not headed towards a Brill reunion.

Come to think of it, if Bill were the father and Brooke the stepmom, maybe she can be a balancing force so Kelly doesn't become Taylor 3.0.