B&B: What's Up Today at Forrester Creations? - Daily Chat

[NinjaPenguins]

2 hours ago, GHScorpiosRule said:

I can’t remember the last time a mother chose somebody’s DICK or fear of losing said useless piece of wanker over their own child

I can. That was also Brooke, and it took me years to like her again.

[SweePea59]

This show is making less and less sense.

Hope got her hooks in Carter? Hope's got hooks? Since when?

Too bad there was no "Forrester" Thanksgiving this year where they all sit around the table, seated next to their enemies, and then have to tell the enemy what they like about them. Good times.

[nilyank]

40 minutes ago, SweePea59 said:

Too bad there was no "Forrester" Thanksgiving this year where they all sit around the table, seated next to their enemies, and then have to tell the enemy what they like about them. Good times.

A tradition that was first thought up by Hope.

[Anna Yolei]

21 hours ago, SweePea59 said:

Hope got her hooks in Carter? Hope's got hooks? Since when?

It's especially hilarious because most of her haters are saying this after spending years screaming about what a useless, passive wimp she is. I don't particularly care to convince people that she's not the second coming of Satan but I do wish they'd be consistent on *why* she sucks.

I saw someone on Reddit even ask in all sincerity, what is says about Hope that she didn't talking him out of his plan. I asked what is says about OG Stephanie that she didn't talk Eric out of screwing Brooke over. Naturally, I got no response :p

Although, I have to point out how similar this sudden concern for a character most have found to be as interesting as oatmeal for the vast majority of his existence is to all the suddent concern for Zende when he was put in conflict with RJ last year...and not a damn peep from any of them when Steffy told Zende to kick rocks recently.  🙄

[norcalgal]

1 hour ago, Anna Yolei said:

It's especially hilarious because most of her haters are saying this after spending years screaming about what a useless, passive wimp she is. I don't particularly care to convince people that she's not the second coming of Satan but I do wish they'd be consistent on *why* she sucks.

I saw someone on Reddit even ask in all sincerity, what is says about Hope that she didn't talking him out of his plan. I asked what is says about OG Stephanie that she didn't talk Eric out of screwing Brooke over. Naturally, I got no response :p

Although, I have to point out how similar this sudden concern for a character most have found to be as interesting as oatmeal for the vast majority of his existence is to all the suddent concern for Zende when he was put in conflict with RJ last year...and not a damn peep from any of them when Steffy told Zende to kick rocks recently.  🙄

(Rhetorical) are you seriously asking for consistency (aka NOT hypocrisy and NOT double standard) from people on social media?  There are folks who use whatever set of circumstances to fit whatever narrative they want to push - damn consistency. It’s no use trying to use logic and reasoning with such folks because they have a certain narrative to promote and willingly/willfully ignore anything that doesn’t help their cause. 

[Anna Yolei]

4 hours ago, norcalgal said:

(Rhetorical) are you seriously asking for consistency (aka NOT hypocrisy and NOT double standard) from people on social media?  There are folks who use whatever set of circumstances to fit whatever narrative they want to push - damn consistency. It’s no use trying to use logic and reasoning with such folks because they have a certain narrative to promote and willingly/willfully ignore anything that doesn’t help their cause. 

I think it's telling the only two places I'm aware of online that are not fully biased against Brooke and Hope are long form discussion places. Namely this and r/boldandbeautiful, where no matter how hard certain people stamp their feel about icky Logan fans (or really, more like people who just don't loathe Hope for simply existing), people don't get banned for their opinions and where people can lay out their arguments either way.

Which is bizarre to me that they get mad about that bc every *other* place is stacked for Team Steffy and they can go literally anywhere else to hear on and on forever about how Brooke is TSFTV and how Hope is apparently the biggest, baddest threat to humanity up there with climate change and James Corden getting cast in musicals.

Edited Saturday at 10:05 PM by Anna Yolei

[Skarzero]

On 11/30/2024 at 10:50 AM, Anna Yolei said:

Although, I have to point out how similar this sudden concern for a character most have found to be as interesting as oatmeal for the vast majority of his existence is to all the suddent concern for Zende when he was put in conflict with RJ last year...and not a damn peep from any of them when Steffy told Zende to kick rocks recently.  🙄

Not surprised. I said last year that the only reason Zende's jealous hater self even had "fans" was because he only had smoke for Brooke's son with Ridge and not the anointed Tridge children for being a nepo baby. Then a few people practically tripped over themselves to say how Thomas & Steffy aren't really nepo babies. As much as I stood, and was going to continue to stand on that statement even without this turn of events, it's nice to be proven right by people who claim to only deal in canon facts. 

On 11/30/2024 at 10:50 AM, Anna Yolei said:

It's especially hilarious because most of her haters are saying this after spending years screaming about what a useless, passive wimp she is. I don't particularly care to convince people that she's not the second coming of Satan but I do wish they'd be consistent on *why* she sucks.

This a million times. What's even more hilarious is that by default they aren't consistent about why they think Steffy is so great either. One minute she's a badass who owns her behavior and other times she's a put-upon delicate being that has only just learned to stand up for herself and has no bad behavior, past or present, to own up to. But to be fair, that's more or less how Steffy acts/is written so naturally if one insists on stanning her or being even the least bit partial to her, having flexible ideals & pet peeves is part of the package. Speaking of which, where were all the people that were upset over some of us calling Steffy a bitch when Setffy called Hope a bitch, among other names? 🤔 Just curious. 🙂 

[Anna Yolei]

6 hours ago, Skarzero said:

Then a few people practically tripped over themselves to say how Thomas & Steffy aren't really nepo babies.

HAHAHAHAHA

Yeah, thats a general huge problem with the show these days: ALL of them are rich nepo baby brats. The rivalry between Hope and Steffy was more balanced 15 years ago but before they started leaning so hard to make Steffy win all the time, it just read as stupid rich people problems with no one to balance it.

Old B&B gave us the Forresters as the clearly fucked up mess they were, but TPTB did have outsiders like the Logans who were close knit despite the lack of resources, Margo and Clarke who had their commentary, and Sally Spectra, who also had money but had to struggle to get where she was. They also occasionally did charity events, which at least gave the illusion that they cared about anything beyond petty squabbles, but we don't even have money in the budget for that. :(

At any rate, Steffy working in the mailroom for two weeks and Thomas attending design school doesn't not make them nepo babies. Jack Quaid is a talented actor but being Meg Ryan and Jack Quaid's kid made that path a whole lot easier for him. Same here too.

6 hours ago, Skarzero said:

Speaking of which, where were all the people that were upset over some of us calling Steffy a bitch when Setffy called Hope a bitch, among other names? 🤔 Just curious. 🙂 

Good question.

I don't care to use misogynistic language much (although I've graduated Navy boot camp and have heard far, far worse lol) but my borderline neurodivergent brain canNOT take intellectual dishonesty, even for a show that fans put way more thought into than Bell clearly does.

Either it's okay to use that term or it's not.

[KnightStorm]

54 minutes ago, Anna Yolei said:

HAHAHAHAHA

Yeah, thats a general huge problem with the show these days: ALL of them are rich nepo baby brats. The rivalry between Hope and Steffy was more balanced 15 years ago but before they started leaning so hard to make Steffy win all the time, it just read as stupid rich people problems with no one to balance it.

Old B&B gave us the Forresters as the clearly fucked up mess they were, but TPTB did have outsiders like the Logans who were close knit despite the lack of resources, Margo and Clarke who had their commentary, and Sally Spectra, who also had money but had to struggle to get where she was. They also occasionally did charity events, which at least gave the illusion that they cared about anything beyond petty squabbles, but we don't even have money in the budget for that. :(

At any rate, Steffy working in the mailroom for two weeks and Thomas attending design school doesn't not make them nepo babies. Jack Quaid is a talented actor but being Meg Ryan and Jack Quaid's kid made that path a whole lot easier for him. Same here too.

Good question.

I don't care to use misogynistic language much (although I've graduated Navy boot camp and have heard far, far worse lol) but my borderline neurodivergent brain canNOT take intellectual dishonesty, even for a show that fans put way more thought into than Bell clearly does.

Either it's okay to use that term or it's not.

Making Steffy invincible has made the show practically unwatchable. It's more like a pro-Steffy fanfic it's gotten so blatant. She never suffers any defeat on any level, no matter how horrible she is.

[Js Nana]

Ridge blaming Carter's duplicitous behavior on Hope's evil hold on him made me laugh - if HRH Stephania, Princess Royal of the House of Forrester, burned down an orphanage, Ridge would immediately defend it has having been the right thing for The Big Head to do; and Carter's defense for not having the organization forms invalidated should be to say that nothing contained in the organization paperwork was hidden from anyone and that neither The Big Head nor Ridge disputed the presence of his name on the paperwork prior to signing it.

The Big Head = Steffy

The Big Schlub = Ridge

[Js Nana]

The character of Steffy has Mean Girl written all over it - - can anyone imagine that the only kids who orbited around the teenage Steffy were those who were afraid of her?

[nkotb]

I kinda understand staying in a situation where you’re comfortable. But, these people have plenty of means, contacts, & name recognition to start their own company, any type they want. Why are Hope & Carter fighting so hard for these jackasses? Bonus: they wouldn’t be answering to the witch & the warlock. 
 

Damn, Carter went there, invoking Stephanie’s name. 

[Waldo13]

I’ve been away for two episodes and it seems that I didn’t really miss anything.  Ridge, are you making Carter choose between you and Hope?  Like her mom, Hope has a golden cooter and you are just a prick.  

Brooke you are a *********** that you are defending Stuffy over your daughter for the sake of Ridge. Brooke is smelling Ridge’s farts way too much.  Ridge, Carter is not throwing anything away. He’s actually gaining control of FC.  Carter, do you actually believe that if Stuffy wanted to fire you that Ridge would stand behind him.  He betrayed Brooke for Stuffy wouldn’t you think that the same would happen to you.  

Ridge and Stuffy signed the papers even when he saw Carter’s signature and he thinks that it’s not valid.  Only in LA. 

Ridge loves to use the holier than now routine. He’s not a Forester, he’s a pseudo Forester.  WTF, how can Ridge fire Carter?  Carter now runs FC not Ridge.  Didn’t Brooke say to Hope that Ridge hires a lawyer to dispute the new LLC. Until the validity litigated, Carter is in charge.  One final thought.  Did Carter expect Ridge and Stuffy to stay on. Stuffy is useless, but who is going to be the designer when RJ and Z are family and walk.  I know, bring Sally Spectra back from GC and out of the clutches of “Billy Boy”. 

 

 

 

[NinjaPenguins]

Does Brooke know Hope is her daughter and not Steffy? Maybe that’s the problem.

I mean, Brooke doesn’t have to condone her daughter’s actions, but to run straight to that arrogant slimeball without even talking to Hope first? That’s just cold. 

[JNavarro]

Shut up Ridge.  I mean yes, Carter is a putz, but I can't stand hearing it come from Ridge's gross ass. 

And of course he has plot armor so he can run his mouth to anyone like a tough guy and never get push back.  

[Artsda]

Brooke running to Ridge when he obviously hates her daughter and has no respect for her or her family is just pathetic.

[CharlizeCat]

I am all over the board with this SL. I agree that Brooke should have spoken to Hope and Carter before running to Ridge. But she's SOooo frightened of losing that greaseball to the drowned beige meerkat that she didn't hesitate to throw her beloved daughter under the bus. Then backed over her for good measure. 

I can't stand Sludge and detest Steffy, but in this case, Carter is being a sore loser. Tough as it is to stand behind, it is the Forrester (Marone's) company and if they don't want to venture beyond being a fashion house, that is their prerogative. 

And I agree 1000%, why don't Carter and Hope take their ideas and passion and go elsewhere or start their own company? Let them absorb billions of dollars in debt. While Carter defending Hope may seem chivalrous, it's actually foolish and career suicide. Especially, since only a few short weeks ago, he was in favor of axing HFTF. It seems like the fashion industry is a pretty small world and we all know that only a handful of people exist in L.A., so Carter will be persona non grata in the dressmaker's world sooner than he realizes. (I am still convinced this is LSV's exit SL to move on to "The Gates.")

Hope and Carter's fly-by-night romance is juvenile and unconvincing. Hope seems like she will glom on to any man who shows her the least bit of undivided attention and Carter is so desperate that he is willing to somehow combine fantasies and inspiration from different parts of the workplace (Brooke's Bedroom and vulnerable, yet available Hope) and blur them into a sudden, inexplicable longing to see Hope in lingerie. Throw in some "I only have eyes for you," talk and it's insta-love.

Can we please see Luna back on the screen? She is about the only interesting character on the canvas. 

[backhometome]

10 hours ago, CharlizeCat said:

Hope and Carter's fly-by-night romance is juvenile and unconvincing. Hope seems like she will glom on to any man who shows her the least bit of undivided attention

THIS. Its not convincing at all. There was no build up to their so called romance. It went at warped speed. It was a plot point for this coup storyline. 

[KerleyQ]

If Ridge and Steffy were allowed to lose at all, then the fact that they knew Carter's name was on those forms and still signed them should actually cost them FC. At least for a little while. 

I was so hoping that, when Ridge told Carter he was fired, Carter would have responded, "no, brother, actually you're fired. And so is your daughter." 

It would be interesting to see how things shake out if Carter actually gets to run things for a while, in terms of who'd stay and who would go. Would Zende stay? Yes, he's a Forrester, but he's clearly always felt like an ignored Forrester, and he's established some bond with Hope working on her line. And he was pissed off about the line being cut. He's had issues with how Ridge runs things. And what about RJ? He clearly loves both of his sisters, but it seems like his stronger bond is with Hope. I'd assume Katie would stay with Carter and Hope. What about Brooke? Will she tuck tail and run out the door attached to her "destiny," to make sure Taylor doesn't get her sad little paws on him? What about Ivy and Electra? 

If they're going to do something like that, or a rival fashion house story, they really need to bring back some off screen characters to round things out. I know there are a lot of people out there who think that Thomas/Hope is still going to happen again. If that's the case, then they could bring him back, with his family expecting him to side with them, only for him to shock them all when he signs on as the lead designer at Carter's FC, or whatever rival fashion house Hope and Carter end up forming. (Disclaimer: I do not want to see Hope with Thomas. I'd rather she be with damn near anyone else. But, if it's going to happen, then that's the interesting way to do it.) Other than Thomas, though, you've got Rick and Thorn out there. 

Edited 15 hours ago by KerleyQ

[Cool Breeze]

I did think yesterday's showdown between Carter and Ridge was actually pretty well-written and acted.  Surprising. 

Ridge's "I just did it.  I've moved on." 

I liked that. 

[lightninggirl]

"WHAAT? HE FIRED YOU?" Uh, Dope, come on. 🙄

Ridge acting like Hope changed Carter into "someone [he] doesn't recognize" is hilarious because, well, remember Quinn?

The Overly Aggressive Strings Music™️ playing during the Harter/Cope scenes today made me feel like Robert Redford was going to crash a small biplane into the cabin and Meryl Streep was going to roll in and eulogize him in a thick Danish accent or something ("Out of Africa" reference for my non-70s/80s kids).

[CaffeineFree]

I think that Bradley Bell must think that he will keep viewers just so they can wait and see if Ridge and Steffy finally get their comeuppance. While we wait, they make it difficult to root for their opposition, as Hope and Carter's plan was just stupid. At least Carter has fired a few truth bombs about Ridge standing by while Steffy denigrates Hope. Oh, and this stuff about Hope being the root of all evil. Thank you Ridge S. Forrester (Marone), and yes, the S is for Satanie. I fast forwarded through the mean girl couch session, and one of the few times I paused, there they were, bad-mouthing Brooke.  Can someone please slap some sense into both of them?

Oh, and I am not having too much issue with how Brooke has been speaking. Yes, she should have talked to Hope first, but she has been very logical about this scenario and has on the side of sensible and moral behavior. She knows her daughter is wrong, and she knows that Steffy is a petulant bitch. What I am now hoping for is a stronger reaction to Ridge's ridiculous characterization of this stupid takeover and Hope's character overall. I want EVERY one of his and Steffy's sins brought to bear against them, relationship be damned. I have been waiting for this forever, and it causes me to skip big chunks of the show. It's only nostalgia and habit that keep me even remotely interested at this point. Time to retool this thing.

[smartyshorts]

3 hours ago, Cool Breeze said:

"I just did it.  I've moved on."

If only Brooke could or would utter those words. And MEAN it.

If Hope could pull a 'Luna Nozowa' and reveal she has been a scheming power hungry femme fatal and corporate shark the whole time, we would collectively fall outta our chairs. 

Can't  wait for Steffy to go on a level 4 rampage. Gee, won't that be fun. /s. How long til she forbids Liam from even seeing his 'other daughter', and he finally initiates the nasty custody battle that should've happened when she got with Thomas. 

In my mind I rationalize Steffy's unhealthy fixation on her Mom and Dad being together is because she knows the only time her mother stays in town is when she can throw her limp dish rag on or at Ridge. Bonus if she can "steal" him fom Brooke. Those two cackling hens squawking abt how absolutely awful the "Logans" are was just too much. 

 

 

[Anna Yolei]

23 hours ago, Waldo13 said:

  I know, bring Sally Spectra back from GC and out of the clutches of “Billy Boy”. 

Oh dear God, that would be hilarious and exactly what Steffy in particular deserves. She definitely came between her and Thomas and I would love for Sally to learn that and throw that in her face when she starts in on how Hope ruined her brother or whatever. He could've been happy and same with Sally but she had evil Spectra blood and Steffy used another woman he was obsessed with (who bizarrely had become obsessed back) to end that.

Funny she had no concerns about relapse back then.

 

[Waldo13]

Ridge you’re a ***.  Carter is only your best friend, your brother, your lawyer only when Carter agrees with you.  Once again I ask, if Stuffy wanted to dump Carter because he was advocating for HFTF and Hope, would Ridge back Stuffy?  Absolutely!  

Are Stuffy and Ridge that unaware or just plain stupid?  I just have to say that they don’t think that their shit stinks but their shit stinks worse than fish in a microwave. 

And there you have it.  Brooke is pissed a Ridge for blaming Hope and Taylor takes the opportunity to swoop in with Stuffy’s blessing. 

[Artsda]

Ridge really trashes Hope and lies to Brooke face and Brooke does nothing to stand by her child.  He doesn't want to hear Brooke saying anything, instead he thinks Hope is a huge mastermind of stealing company? Convincing Carter to sign the papers. 

Says a lot is right, Hope should see how much he hates her. 

Brooke should walk away, let Ridge have Steffy and Taylor.