B&B: What's Up Today at Forrester Creations? - Daily Chat

[Anna Yolei]

1 hour ago, Waldo13 said:

I still don't get why Brooke is favoring Ridge over Rick and why Rick is accepting this fate. 

I'm surprised he didn't pull a bitch fit about Brooke choosing Ridge over him as he's been doing the last ten years over far less.

But re: the rest of your point, it's true they've both treated Eric as a pawn in their own pissing match with one another. Ridge may have evil Marone blood, but what's Rick's excuse for all the shit he's done? Eric's enabled that little shithead as much as Ridge, and so has Brooke.

I agree they missed a big chance for Rick to score points by supporting Quinn, however. They've been writing him as a power hungry buttbiscuit since the last recast and if he could tolerate sleeping with Steffy to one-up Ridge, he can certainly play nice with Quinn.

[Gam2]

Ok, time to move this story along. Stop repeating the same thing over and over and over. And what happened to Ivy's charming Australian accent? That ship sailed after Quinn married Eric and Steffy left Wyatt. Ivy actually looks pained trying to speak "American". Please, stop this nonsense. How is everyone else on this show ignoring that she's lost her accent? We know that Ivy is Australian. And we like that she's Australian! Geez, Louise. I hate these writers. 

And I hate Ridge, this actor, the writing for this actor and everything about this character. I hope Quinn and Eric burn his greasy ass. 

[TobinAlbers]

14 minutes ago, Anna Yolei said:

I agree they missed a big chance for Rick to score points by supporting Quinn, however. They've been writing him as a power hungry buttbiscuit since the last recast and if he could tolerate sleeping with Steffy to one-up Ridge, he can certainly play nice with Quinn.

I thought JT's Billy Abbott was ButtBiscuit? We can't have two in the Bell-verse can we?

Steffy sucks now but back when she was smooching with her Bruncle she was a lot more tolerable. She hadn't hit her Cha Cha Cha stride yet.

[Anna Yolei]

36 minutes ago, TobinAlbers said:

I thought JT's Billy Abbott was ButtBiscuit? We can't have two in the Bell-verse can we?

Steffy sucks now but back when she was smooching with her Bruncle she was a lot more tolerable. She hadn't hit her Cha Cha Cha stride yet.

True, but given that he'd JUST tried to set her up to screw with Ridge right before Phoebe died, you'd think she'd have had some suspicions about this....ever?

As i type this, it kinda occurred to me how completely bland that all of B&B's next gen kids since Rick/Bridget/CJ have been, compared to the teen scenes of every other show. The last teen scene I was really interested in following was ATWT in the mid 2000s where you had Will readjusting to life after being in an institution for killing Rose; Casey, whose had a stint in prison (and his mother was chief of police, no less!); Luke's well documented coming out story; and as contrived and WTF that I found Allison's past in porn to be, the character was no saintly angel even before that recast. All.of those examples are legacy children, two of whom belong to core families dating back to the beginning of the series, and all got arcs to become better people.

Other than Bridget dumping Deacon, what has anyone ever had to achieve or overcome? Hope may have been "a stain on the Forrester name" as Ridge put it, but she was the biggest, most pampered princess of all the legacy kids despite a backstop that should've mentally fucked up anyone. Taylor's return from the dead became an excuse for Thomas and one of the twins (I think Phoebe) to turn on Brooke without a second thought and Aly's mental illness...we will not speak of the wastefulness of THAT story.

That's also why I don't think a second fashion house with this same group wouldn't work, either, unless TIIC were really going to show all the beats the way we saw the Spectras scratch and claw their way into the fashion world.

Edited October 24, 2016 by Anna Yolei

[tessaray]

Well, I'm adding Thomas back to the list of characters I hate.  Ironically this story has made Ridge, Thomas and Steffy really seem like they are related.  (When it comes to the smug, hateful sneering at least.)  It stresses me out to watch that stuff though.  

[KerleyQ]

2 hours ago, bannana said:

I  don't get why Brooke is backing Ridge either.  And Rick, if he was smart, should have supported Eric, to get back in as CEO.

It feels like it was just the other day that Brooke said she wasn't going to marry Bill right away and now she is suddenly marrying him tomorrow.

If this story doesn't arrive at a point where Brooke is backing Eric instead of Ridge, then the writers are truly incompetent.  

1 hour ago, Anna Yolei said:

I'm surprised he didn't pull a bitch fit about Brooke choosing Ridge over him as he's been doing the last ten years over far less.

But re: the rest of your point, it's true they've both treated Eric as a pawn in their own pissing match with one another. Ridge may have evil Marone blood, but what's Rick's excuse for all the shit he's done? Eric's enabled that little shithead as much as Ridge, and so has Brooke.

I agree they missed a big chance for Rick to score points by supporting Quinn, however. They've been writing him as a power hungry buttbiscuit since the last recast and if he could tolerate sleeping with Steffy to one-up Ridge, he can certainly play nice with Quinn.

Especially since Quinn has really done not a single damn thing to Rick.  Rick should be polishing up his crown to be the new number one son, Eric and Quinn's most trusted confidant.  Maya should be ingratiating herself with Quinn to help boost Rick's career.  That this isn't happening is absurd.  

[Nanu160]

48 minutes ago, KerleyQ said:

If this story doesn't arrive at a point where Brooke is backing Eric instead of Ridge, then the writers are truly incompetent.  

Especially since Quinn has really done not a single damn thing to Rick.  Rick should be polishing up his crown to be the new number one son, Eric and Quinn's most trusted confidant.  Maya should be ingratiating herself with Quinn to help boost Rick's career.  That this isn't happening is absurd.  

This!

[Cupid Stunt]

7 hours ago, Anna Yolei said:

I've not been fond of Eric pulling the Marone card out, either. Apart from the fact that Ridge has never at any point considered Massimo his father (nor should he), it wasn't Massimo who enabled that SOB's entitlement for the first forty-something years of his life.  

I beg to differ: When Ridge's paternity was made public, he embraced Massimo as his father and left Forrester Creations to become Vice Chairman of Marone Industries. A few Brooke/Nickinsane convolutions, some sibling rivalry and jealous howling, and a dictatorial father demanding absolute fealty, and Ridge was done with Massimo and back at Forrester Creations in the bosom of the Forrester family, calling Eric Dad.

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He and Stephanie both created that monster.

No argument there.

[Cupid Stunt]

2 hours ago, Anna Yolei said:

That's also why I don't think a second fashion house with this same group wouldn't work, either, unless TIIC were really going to show all the beats the way we saw the Spectras scratch and claw their way into the fashion world.

I doubt TIIC will write Ridge and the others starting a "from the ground up" fashion house. TIIC will retreat into having everyone fighting over crumbs, fighting over Eric and control of FC, because that's all TIIC are capable of producing.

It's too much work to write original scripts, too expensive produce, and they don't have the acting talent to pull it off.

[Cupid Stunt]

8 hours ago, Waldo13 said:

I still don't get why Brooke is favoring Ridge over Rick and why Rick is accepting this fate. 

When has Brooke ever supported and defended her children over a past or present lover? Rick's is a reactive moron placing his future in Ridge's incapable hands, and doesn't recognize an opportunity to gain power at FC when it's kicking him in the shins. 

Brooke's doing the same thing by glossing over $Bill's open antagonism of RJ and weakly addressing RJ's contempt of $Bill. Brooke doesn't have a plan to help RJ accept the situation after she marries $Bill; perhaps she's hoping they will try to get along for her sake. 

Edited October 25, 2016 by Cupid Stunt
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[LittleIggy]

"You're a joke." That's rich since it comes from the shrimp in the big lime green tie and the neon fuschia shirt. 

Thomas is back on my shit list in ink.

[MsTree]

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And what happened to Ivy's charming Australian accent? That ship sailed after Quinn married Eric and Steffy left Wyatt. Ivy actually looks pained trying to speak "American". Please, stop this nonsense. How is everyone else on this show ignoring that she's lost her accent? 

I'm wondering if the actress who plays Ivy is actually trying to lose the accent in order to pursue American roles. Look at Michael Sheen...he's nearly perfected his "American" accent on Masters of Sex.

Having Quinn suggesting Ivy lose the accent gives the actress a chance to work at it on the small screen before she auditions for something larger. I'm sure it's not easy, but giving her the opportunity to do it on a daily basis might increase her chances of getting other "American" roles.

[CountryGirl]

So I was on vacation for a few days and came back to find that except for yesterday's show, my DVR didn't record anything since last Tuesday. Maybe that was a blessing in disguise? I was saved from seeing Ridge-Pen leaving an oil slick and dust cloud all over Brooke so that's something.

Thus, I only have a recap for yesterday so here goes:

Mon. 10/24 recap:

So once again, Quinn is confronting Ridge-Pen and company. I guess Puffy is too busy fucking Liam to show up for the meeting? And why do I feel like another WTD storyline is just around the corner???

For once, Brooke is there. About time, lady.

She wants to know exactly what Eric said.

Quinn: "If you must know, that he trusts only me." Can anyone blame him?

Rick: And you interpreted that to mean...? Dude, really? It's pretty clear what his intentions are.

Wyatt: "There was no interpretation needed 'cause i was there. Eric said he wanted my mother to run the company and for me to help out." See, Rick, you should have supported dear old Dad then you would be #1 son. For once.

Thomas: "On the basis of what? Your vast experience in fashion?" Oh fuck you, Thomas, and your ugly fucking clothes and ugly fucking hair. Now that Sasha has parted ways with Thomas, I have no use for him anymore.

Ivy comes upon Eric talking in his sleep. Sadly, the words "Must send Ridge-Pen, Puffy, and Thom-ass back to Paris" aren't uttered by him. Apparently, Ivy kept Charlie and Pam and those stupid-ass lemon bars away. Good for her.

Justin gives Bill a wedding gift - a portrait of Brooke, looking gorgeous as always. Allison is there, too, as snarky as always.

Justin remarks that his gift to Brooke (the shares) is about as romantic as a "vacuum cleaner." Heh. Let's hope Brooke puts those shares to good use and permanently gives Ridge, et al, the boot.

Ridge still wants to argue that Eric is out of his mind. I'd say he's in the rightest mind he's ever been in.

Quinn: "There's nothing wrong with your father's mind."

Ridge: "But how would we know? You keep him out of our sight."

Quinn: "Eric threw you out of his room. I didn't." That's right, so shut it, Ridge. And you, too, Zende, with your "Oh noes...not my grandmother's sister?" You hate those lemon bars, too, just admit it.

Quinn tries to reason with them about FC. "It's not a matter of knowing better than you or anyone else, Ridge. Anyone in this room can run Forrester beautifully." But clearly, these idiots can't understand logic.

Quinn: "Well, it's really very simple. Eric is C.E.O. Of the company that he founded. And when his authority is needed, his signature, his approval, I'm legally empowered to supply it." You tell 'em, girl. And that means she's legally empowered to have her son in charge. How do you like them apples? 

Quinn: "If we could just all overcome these old hostilities, we can pull together and make Eric proud when he comes back to us." She's really trying here but they aren't worth her breath.

Ridge: "My dad has always been proud of us. And he's gonna be really proud when we drive you out of his life and our life." Uh, I don't think so, Ridge. It will be you who will be left out in the proverbial cold. Where you belong.

Later, when Quinn is at home with Eric, he quickly surmises things didn't go well but he reminds her that "You have me." Awwww...

Quinn: "I do. Best thing that ever happened to me." 

Bill's bachelor party leaves a lot to be desired, but I will say, I like seeing Justin. Why can't he and Donna reunite - without Mushmouth around this time? Although that reminds me that Donna is a grandmother. They toast to Brooke.

Who is arguing with Ridge right now and telling him to stop yelling.

It's clear Ridge-Pen is continuing to beat the dead horse about pimping Brooke out long enough to get his greasy hands on her shares. God, he is insufferable. How no one has tried to off him J.R. Ewing-style is beyond me.

Brooke stands her ground:

"I am not going to lie through my wedding vows. That's not the kind of person that I am, Ridge. Nope, not anymore. Not since you unceremoniously dumped her over a text.  And you have to stop kissing me! It's ridiculous. And disgusting! I know that you feel that feelings are resurfacing because I'm getting married tomorrow and R.J.'s in town and he thinks we should be together. His feelings are only suddenly resurfacing because (1) the shares and (2) Oh no! My chew toy isn't going to be available to be my chew toy anymore. And who gives a shit what Ridge-Pen Jr wants? And that's understandable to an extent, given the way that you feel about Bill. Not his business. Not anymore. But you're not taking into consideration how I feel about Bill and what he feels about me! Well, Ridge-Pen only ever considers, Ridge-Pen. We do love each other. He builds me up. He supports me. He loves me. He makes me feel like I can do anything. And this is exactly why I fell for Brill in the first place. That is the kind of person that I want to spend my life with. I know what I want. I know what R.J. wants. So tell me, Ridge. What is it that you want?" And the way she looked at him, like all right, asshole, just say what you want to say so I can turn on my heel and get the hell away from you. Once and for all. 

Edited October 25, 2016 by CountryGirl

[Anna Yolei]

Brad Bell likes to recycle like a good crunchy Californian should, but surely he can't be this tone deaf to realize this version of Ridge has no chemistry with Brooke? Like, at all? I mean, it's not like Original Recipe Ridge wouldn't try this same crap and even then it would be tiresome. But these two haven't interacted much in the year or so since he first got with Caroline and neither was trying to place the other on the shelf. 

Ridge has always been quick to use Brooke for his own gain, but it was never so blatantly obvious and transparent, and even then I doubt oldRidge would be cool with her marrying and bedding another man just for his own power.

Edited October 25, 2016 by Anna Yolei

[TobinAlbers]

9 minutes ago, Anna Yolei said:

Brad Bell likes to recycle like a good crunch Californian should, but surely he can't be this tone deaf to realize this version of Ridge has no chemistry with Brooke? Like, at all? I mean, it's not like Original Recipe Ridge wouldn't try this same crap and even then it would be tiresome. But these two haven't interacted much in the year or so since he first got with Caroline and neither was trying to place the other on the shelf. 

Treading water until they have him and Quinn hook up. Unless they put him with Allison, Maya, Nicole, or Sasha, there is no other woman on canvas to put him with that he hasn't already been with and failed or is related to.

[tessaray]

CountryGirl, last Thursday is worth tracking down if just for the pleasure of seeing Eric and Quinn signing the stupid marriage license already.  

 

23 minutes ago, TobinAlbers said:

Treading water until they have him and Quinn hook up. Unless they put him with Allison, Maya, Nicole, or Sasha, there is no other woman on canvas to put him with that he hasn't already been with and failed or is related to.

I suspected they might be considering this when they had Quinn and Ridge fighting in the living room of the mansion.  (Well, Ridge was fighting anyway.)  I really hope they don't. RS sparkles with JMc and I see nothing with TK.  If we're lucky, this is just a prelude to Ridge having a tantrum and taking off for parts unknown while TK takes a vacation.  A nice long vacation.  

[CountryGirl]

^^^^

Make that a permanent vacation and he can dust off into the sunset.

[kimmy482]

Is it wrong to want to punch a fictional kid and his greaseball dad?

I'm starting to dislike every character on this show. :\

[Gam2]

What's with that twit, RJ, telling Ridge that he has to stop Brooke from marrying Bill? She's a grown woman! Respect her decision and then leave her the hell alone. Go back to boarding school, moron.

[tricknasty]

Is Waffles going to attend $Bill's wedding or is he still rutting with Puffy?

[Cool Breeze]

3 hours ago, TobinAlbers said:

Treading water until they have him and Quinn hook up. 

I hope Baby Bell isn't recycling storylines to the point where he's going to turn Ridge into stepmother-sexing, subsequently outcast, perennial loser Jack Abbott. Because that would truly suck.  

Edited October 25, 2016 by Cool Breeze

[TobinAlbers]

I feel like he seems to keep the storyline recycling to in-show rather than trying stories from one show on another. Wyatt/Steffy/Liam is Wyatt/Hope/Liam. Quinn/Eric + adopted son Wyatt is Donna/Eric+ adopted son Marcus.

As I posted in the Retro topic, if they're gonna repeat, do the Throne shoots Ridge over sleeping with his wife Caroline story with Quinn as Stephanie, Wyatt as Thorne, Liam as Ridge, and Steffy ironically as Caroline.  Wyatt finds out about the Steam boink and is livid and gets pissed drunk. Liam may be on the grounds visiting Steffy for some reason. Wyatt sees Liam leaving and follows him out having had enough and shoots him with Quinn seeing the whole thing. She runs out and finds the gun and hides it just before Ivy arrives on the scene. Ivy calls 911 while Quinn checks on Wyatt who is passed out drunk back in his room. Quinn covers up the crime like Stephanie did and thinks she's in the clear only Rick or Maya (who were visiting Eric and were still skulking around on the grounds) saw it all and they blackmail Quinn into letting Rick back into the company for their silence.

Then we have Rick/Maya back to scheming, Steffy and Ridge wondering WTF deal they have going on with Quinn, Bill determined to find out who shot Liam, Liam may get a brain injury changing personality like Caroline 2.0 did and SC plays evil Liam, Wyatt having no clue what he did with Quinn trying to keep all the balls up in the air.

Edited October 25, 2016 by TobinAlbers

[tricknasty]

17 minutes ago, TobinAlbers said:

I feel like he seems to keep the storyline recycling to in-show rather than trying stories from one show on another. Wyatt/Steffy/Liam is Wyatt/Hope/Liam. Quinn/Eric + adopted son Wyatt is Donna/Eric+ adopted son Marcus.

As I posted in the Retro topic, if they're gonna repeat, do the Throne shoots Ridge over sleeping with his wife Caroline story with Quinn as Stephanie, Wyatt as Thorne, Liam as Ridge, and Steffy ironically as Caroline.  Wyatt finds out about the Steam boink and is livid and gets pissed drunk. Liam may be on the grounds visiting Steffy for some reason. Wyatt sees Liam leaving and follows him out having had enough and shoots him with Quinn seeing the whole thing. She runs out and finds the gun and hides it just before Ivy arrives on the scene. Ivy calls 911 while Quinn checks on Wyatt who is passed out drunk back in his room. Quinn covers up the crime like Stephanie did and thinks she's in the clear only Rick or Maya (who were visiting Eric and were still skulking around on the grounds) saw it all and they blackmail Quinn into letting Rick back into the company for their silence.

Then we have Rick/Maya back to scheming, Steffy and Ridge wondering WTF deal they have going on with Quinn, Bill determined to find out who shot Liam, Liam may get a brain injury changing personality like Caroline 2.0 did and SC plays evil Liam, Wyatt having no clue what he did with Quinn trying to keep all the balls up in the air.

Now that's some good story telling TOBINALBERS. Which means it'll never happen.

[nkotb]

Small rant warning: one thing that annoys me on tv is when characters are so obviously not close in actual time. For example, $Bill is at his house, which is fully-decorated by the "Big Brother" cast (which I for one was happy about, just wish Natalie could've been there), in his wedding-attire, along with Wyatt & Justin, also in wedding-attire. Brooke is still at her house, hair flat & limp, makeup on, but probably not what she'll do for the wedding, on the phone, chatting it up with Ridge, because who doesn't want to have a powwow with their ex on their wedding day (to someone else). Donna & her boobs show up & they all have a discussion about RJ being against the wedding, then they head over to Casa de $Bill to actually get ready. So unrealistic! On my wedding day, for my 2:30 wedding - full disclosure, we took pix before the ceremony, which I highly recommend, if you're not superstitious like $Bill & I  - but I got up & was working towards hair & makeup at like 8 or 8:30. We started pix at 11:30, & my now-hubs showed up about 11:15 with his suit in the bag. Brooke will probably be back down the stairs in her dress, hair & makeup perfect, before Donna can even get her dress zipped back up after her "reunion" with Justin (just gross speculation, no spoiler). 

It is so weird that Liam hasn't even been mentioned. $Bill even said that if Wyatt couldn't/wouldn't be the best man, Justin could step in, not the favored son, Liam. It's even weirder, because 80% of the reason Brooke is marrying Wyatt's dad is to have a way to get rid of Wyatt's mom, which he doesn't know. Oh, & Wyatt, see that Allison girl? She's really wanting to get her hands on a Spencer man, as evidenced by her touching your father against his wishes, grab that (in a non-Trump, non-aggressive way) & forget about Steffy. Donna & Justin should be out of the broom closet soon, just flip the "Occupied" sign back over & give it a go. I assure you, she won't think about Liam in your afterglow, why don't you see how that feels for a change?? 

Finally, oh, RJ, you naive little imp. "If Mom marries Bill, it's all over for us ever being a family again." (paraphrased). First of all, your parents have married each other about 29 times, give or take about 13 times. They've each married other people about 24 times, give or take about 16 times. Honey, marriage in BelLA isn't forever. Grab your little YooHoo box and your Dory fruit snacks, & sit back & watch. It'll implode on its' own in 3, 2, 1...

[TobinAlbers]

22 minutes ago, nkotb said:

It is so weird that Liam hasn't even been mentioned. $Bill even said that if Wyatt couldn't/wouldn't be the best man, Justin could step in, not the favored son, Liam.

Liam is probably in the doghouse because he violated Bill's 'do as I say and not as I do - don't boink your brother's wife' edict.

 

22 minutes ago, nkotb said:

Oh, & Wyatt, see that Allison girl? She's really wanting to get her hands on a Spencer man, as evidenced by her touching your father against his wishes, grab that (in a non-Trump, non-aggressive way) & forget about Steffy. Donna & Justin should be out of the broom closet soon, just flip the "Occupied" sign back over & give it a go. I assure you, she won't think about Liam in your afterglow, why don't you see how that feels for a change?? 

Only thing I can think of is that the actress doesn't want to be on for a longer term story because Alison would be perfect for a Spencer son to tangle with but Alison is so obviously in love with $Bill that Wyatt would go from being a substitute for Liam to being a substitute for Bill so....

Donna and Justin breaking up is STILL a head scratcher for me. Both appear infrequently enough that they should've stayed married. And a story of them having a late life/second chance baby with Justin realizing that his working for Bill could jeopardize that is actually a B story worth exploring AND would give a cute Logan baby that isn't a Forrester or Spencer.

Edited October 25, 2016 by TobinAlbers

[nkotb]

^^Yet again, @TobinAlbers, you've managed to write a much better scenario than the writers of our dear show. They should put you on the payroll, & you'd probably even let Ivy keep her accent! 

[ByTor]

20 hours ago, Anna Yolei said:

Ridge may have evil Marone blood, but what's Rick's excuse for all the shit he's done?

Evil Logan blood :)

[Cupid Stunt]

2 hours ago, Anna Yolei said:

Brad Bell likes to recycle like a good crunch Californian should, but surely he can't be this tone deaf to realize this version of Ridge has no chemistry with Brooke? Like, at all? I mean, it's not like Original Recipe Ridge wouldn't try this same crap and even then it would be tiresome. But these two haven't interacted much in the year or so since he first got with Caroline and neither was trying to place the other on the shelf. 

There are plenty of TK fans that think he's all that as Ridge Forrester, and they are very vocal -- It's also what Bradley wants to hear.

Detractors don't have much influence pointing out TK is disinterested in KKL and incapable of creating the illusion that their DESTINY consumed their lives and B&B for years. It doesn't seem to matter to TIIC that TK is going through the motions, and is the most slovenly and unattractive Forrester Crown Prince imaginable. KKL is working too hard to establish that they know each other well through their past relationship, while TK resorts to frustrated grunts, barking dialog like Brooke's some annoying stranger, and grabbing her like she's trying to get away (and who could blame her) from a tooth-chipping kiss.

I've looked at TK's past Soap relationships and romances on YouTube. Comparing them and Ridge wooing Caroline, against Ridge in a testosterone storm of ambition and frustration, then throwing himself at Brooke because its written in the script, is not a pretty sight. And doesn't instill much hope for a renewed romance.

The only explanation I can come up with is that TK prefers younger actresses in romantic assignations, and he's unable to effectively dramatize interest in a woman KKL's age without it looking like a forced, unappealing prospect. TK needs his character to look like the still irresistible, still virile, still semi-heroic woman-trap he's been written as forever. KKL makes him look every one of his rumpled, sun damaged years.

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Ridge has always been quick to use Brooke for his own gain, but it was never so blatantly obvious and transparent, and even then I doubt oldRidge would be cool with her marrying and bedding another man just for his own power.

Often enough Brooke had been oblivious to Ridge's machinations and never learning anything from those experiences. Recently she's been agreeable to go along with being used for Ridge's greater ambitions under the excuse of saving FC for the good of the family Blah Blah Blah. Old-School Ridge wasn't all that keen on letting the Golden Cooter move on to greener pastures, particularly if it might benefit Brooke in some limited way.

[TobinAlbers]

36 minutes ago, nkotb said:

^^Yet again, @TobinAlbers, you've managed to write a much better scenario than the writers of our dear show. They should put you on the payroll, & you'd probably even let Ivy keep her accent! 

Ivy and Alison being international party girls in LA is a perfect set up for those two. Add in Wyatt and Liam as their friends with benefits  boy toys and you have a fun potential quad instead of a dour triangle with Wyatt and Liam battling over another woman.

Or if we didn't already know they were straight (then again they could be bisexual), Ivy and Alison wouldn't be a bad same sex pairing.

If the actress wasn't opposed to them drawing from her real life, Alison's story could be the reverse of all the normal girl meets a Prince in disguise and can she fit in with Alison being a princess in disguise who wanted to live a normal life and not be pampered and waited on so she took a job as an assistant with Bill and fell in love with him because he gave her a chance without knowing her and she's been loyal ever since and through his marriages with Katie. She's been waiting all these years for him to see what's in front of her. Then enter Liam and then Wyatt, Bill's unworthy sons that Alison tolerates for Bill's sake. Liam is nice enough but a waffle, Wyatt seems to be more his own man but is a mama's boy.

When it looks like Bill once again will marry Brooke, Alison can't keep quiet anymore. She confesses her love for him but he lets he down gently. Humiliated Alison goes off to a bar to get wasted. Meanwhile Wyatt learns about the Steam boink and goes off to get drunk OR Steffy dumps Liam to go back to Wyatt and he goes off to get drunk. The dunk Spencer brother hooks up with the drunk Alison or in a twist, they don't do a boozy hook-up but just drink and talk and pass out. Next morning Alison is mortified by her unprofessionalism and the Spencer son is apologetic for being a drunk cliche. Alison is prepared to resign but Bill isn't having it and they agree to pretend like her confession never happened. Meanwhile now sober Spencer son sincerely apologizes to Alison, tells her she can and should do better than Bill and she sees the Spencer son in a whole new light (as does the Spencer son see her in a whole new light) they start a romance to Steffy's secret ire because whichever Spencer brother SHE ends up with, she always wants the other one.

When Alison begins getting secret calls (her family is calling her to come home on urgent business) that she tries to cover up for fear of the truth ruining a good thing she's got going, Steffy investigates and exposes the truth that she's a princess hoping she'll pack her bags and go home. Alison then worries that her Spencer brother lover wont' be able to handle the spotlight and bail on her but the Spencer brother surprises her by hanging in there as she tries to determine if she will abdicate her title for love or go home to do her duty.

Tie in the Forresters who would want to design her gowns, Ivy wanting to design her jewelry and actually becomes a true friend, Bill's tabloids following the story that was right under his nose and Bill gobsmacked that Alison's a princess and he could'a tapped that. Burn some Bell Productions money and have a big local gala where Alison is formally introduced as her proper title and her family comes to visit - including the Prince she was betrothed to and spurned. Maybe he ends up with Ivy?

Yeah, it's corny, and no B&B don't usually do royalty/princess stories but it'd be a nice change of pace and a good 3-6 month storyline that could serve as her exit story or establish her more firmly on canvas and allow a Spencer brother (whichever one works for me) a reboot to a rootable romantic lead.

See what happens when you encourage me?

[ByTor]

37 minutes ago, Cupid Stunt said:

TK [snip] is the most slovenly and unattractive Forrester Crown Prince imaginable.

AMEN!!!

[Waldo13]

WTF doesn't anyone go to weddings anymore. No RJ, no Rick, no Liam. Well at least Rick made it seem he wasn't invited for some stupid reason.  There is still time for them to show up, but I seriously doubt it.  I'm wondering if the final touches have been put on Bill's home for the wedding.  It looked to me that Eric went all out for his wedding and all Bill got was Big Brother near-do-wells and a bunch Big Brother inside jokes.

Brooke knows her mind and loves Bill enough to marry him but Eric is a stupid old fool and actually can't love Quinn and should of never married Quinn.  Beside everything else, Ridge's picture appears next to the definition of megalomaniac in the dictionary  

By pausing my DVR, I can see Bill has something in his left ear.  Does DD wear a hearing aid or is it an intercom to feed him his lines?  

[Anna Yolei]

The wedding thing is driving me up the damn wall. It's been B&B tradition for people to show up at weddings where their appearance would be awkward at best. My favorite had to be Nick and Bridget's last wedding where all of his exes, save Felicia, were in attendance. Brooke and Katie were family, but I have no clue what Taylor was doing there and in the clip I saw, she wasn't sitting there as Ridge's date.

RJ is 16 FFS. Where else would the little twerp be? Even if he showed up sullen and protesting by dressing in goth clothing he picked up at Hot Topic, he should have his ass there. 

[Gam2]

I had to laugh out loud at the "caterers" and "florists" bringing in their wares while talking to Wyatt and Bill. Those people had to be the worst actors in Hollywood! What a hoot!

[Waldo13]

9 minutes ago, Gam2 said:

I had to laugh out loud at the "caterers" and "florists" bringing in their wares while talking to Wyatt and Bill. Those people had to be the worst actors in Hollywood! What a hoot!

They are not actors. That are Big Brother contestants that BB are fond of using.  

[Artsda]

So only Donna is invited from Brooke's side?

At least Wyatt was there.

[grisgris]

I don't have much to add to what everybody else has been so eloquent and stop-on about expressing.  Plus, I've been feeling really low energy for the past several days.

That whiny mouthy slouch Jr. needs to STFU and get over his delusional fairy tale and get his ass over to his mother's wedding. Honestly, if the wedding has to be broken up, I think Brooke would be more responsive to RJ than Ridge-Pen. I noticed today that RJ kind of looks like TK and he also has started following the older actor's speech patterns.  He sure as hell doesn't look like RM or KKL.  He needs to be sent back to boarding school.

I also was puzzled by Liam's absence at the wedding of his own father. He either wasn't invited or didn't want to be in an awkward situation with Wyatt.  Surely, Liam isn't still protesting Aunt Katie being dumped. That writing had been on the wall actually during Batie 1.0.

I don't think there will be a Justin-Donna reunion because the actor who plays Justin moved on to a competing soap.  I forgot which one, but one of the ones in the afternoon.

I was re-reading Cupid Stunt's description of TK's acting with KKL.  We've discussed this before and it still always raises ire with me. TK is a fucking professional PAID actor.  If he's supposed to be a romantic interest for KKL, then he needs to make it work.  If there's no realistic chemistry there, it makes more sense for the writers to work around that by changing the SL. But at least TRY. (Just for the record, it's pretty obvious that KKL doesn't think he's all that, either, but at least she's trying.) And this not wanting to work with actresses his own age or God forbid, slightly older, give me an f-in break. It's not like he's some kind of physical prize that would command the hottest young actresses to be paired with. I still don't understand why/how Brad Bell landed on that one. Did TK have to do any kind of table reads or screen tests with KKL or any other potential partners or men/women he'd frequently be in scenes with.  I think it was a hasty decision and a desperate ratings grab from whatever show TK came from. It's getting harder and harder to watch him.

[tessaray]

It would be nice if couples stayed together for more than a year, if that.  Why care about pairings if they are just going to split up?  I started watching right before Liam was 10 minutes late in Paris - there aren't any couples on screen now who were together then. ETA:  except for Pam and Charlie and they don't really count...

Although it's kind of funny that Rick has to stay with Maya because it wouldn't be pc for him to cheat on her or dump her because of the trans thing.  You know they wouldn't still be married on this show if not for that.  

Edited October 26, 2016 by tessaray

[Anna Yolei]

2 hours ago, tessaray said:

It would be nice if couples stayed together for more than a year, if that.  Why care about pairings if they are just going to split up?  I started watching right before Liam was 10 minutes late in Paris - there aren't any couples on screen now who were together then. ETA:  except for Pam and Charlie and they don't really count...

Although it's kind of funny that Rick has to stay with Maya because it wouldn't be pc for him to cheat on her or dump her because of the trans thing.  You know they wouldn't still be married on this show if not for that.  

All of this. Thank your lucky stars you missed out on the broken down merry-go-round that was Hope/Liam/Steffy, because I swear at one point Liam was changing between them by the hour.

And you bet your sweet ass Raya would've been broken up by now if TIIC had the balls to write for her as a human being. I used  the Luke Snyder comparison a lot in discussing Maya, because that story was written ten YEARS ago; somehow I don't think B&B has nearly the same tight boot over their head as ATWT had, yet the latter made Noah a (mostly) rootable character in his own right and they both got developed as people who could carry stories independently of one another.

Even before this Shyamalan plot twist, that was never true with Maya. Aside from her conflict with Papa Avant (WHERE is he?), I've had no fucks to gives about the character, and I'll bet my bottom dollar that once KM leaves the show, Maya will come down with End of Contract cancer like Caroline I, Grant, Becky Moore, Felicia  (whose chemo came in the form of a Best Actress Emmy for Lesli Kay) and Stephanie.

Hey, maybe she and Steffy are in a car during a freak ice storm and Steffy skids off the road, killing Maya. It'll be poetic cuz Rick killed her twin and because a B&B doesn't do subtlety!

Edited October 26, 2016 by Anna Yolei

[tessaray]

I'd watch that, as long as Steffy ends up in the hospital, heavily bandaged for weeks/months until the recast shows up.  (Not that I really have anything against JMW. She's soap actor bad - I can handle that but not the lack of chemistry with her love interests.)

[TobinAlbers]

30 minutes ago, Anna Yolei said:

Hey, maybe she and Steffy are in a car during a freak ice storm and Steffy skids off the road, killing Maya. It'll be poetic cuz Rick killed her twin and because a B&B doesn't do subtlety!

And then Rick in his grief turns to Steffy for comfort inside of two weeks of Maya's death and like her mother with Thorne with Darla's accident, Steffy has to keep the truth of the terrible secret of killing Maya while assuming mommy duty over Lizzie.

And then Steffy begins seeing floating head Aly who mocks her for being like her killer mother Taylor until Steffy finally confesses.

You know what? I could be down with this if Brooke can be suspicious of this and be up in Steffy's face and Steffy somehow say to Brooke she owns Rick's ass now. Highly inappropriate and yet coming full circle.

[Anna Yolei]

1 hour ago, TobinAlbers said:

And then Rick in his grief turns to Steffy for comfort inside of two weeks of Maya's death and like her mother with Thorne with Darla's accident, Steffy has to keep the truth of the terrible secret of killing Maya while assuming mommy duty over Lizzie.

And then Steffy begins seeing floating head Aly who mocks her for being like her killer mother Taylor until Steffy finally confesses.

You know what? I could be down with this if Brooke can be suspicious of this and be up in Steffy's face and Steffy somehow say to Brooke she owns Rick's ass now. Highly inappropriate and yet coming full circle.

AHAHAHAHAHA! I already love this more than any other story Steffy has ever gotten! Add a jealous bitchbaby Liam who'd probably figure it out and spill the beans to one of Maya's sisters or Hope, who has embraced her inner Sharpe and wants to fuck back win Steffy for all the shit she's put her through (oh  and to save her brother or whatever).

See, I don't need my daytime TV to be Shakespeare, but I do need some variety. Mix it up sometimes, Bell!

[RuntheTable]

Run Forrest.....Run!!!

That's right. Brooke needs to run away from these morons as fast as her lovely legs will take her. I always like and appreciate any scenes with Rick and Ridge that are devoid of their standard insults and arguing, but that shit really took the shit. Why is everyone asking Ridge why is allowing this? Why he is going along with it? Ridge is the fuckiest, fucker, who ever fucked, and gets no say in "His Logan's" life. Yet he has become the sounding board about her upcoming nuptials with Bill, and now even Rick is signing up to beat the Bridge drum? You go on Brooke, you run as fast as you can to the man who truly loves you. Just think how great it would be to actually be in a fulfilling marriage; one where you didn't have to spend your life looking in the rear view mirror for kids that are more important than your's, or mother's having heart attacks, which naturally and understandably force their son to marry someone else. You also wouldn't have to worry about dead wives coming back and tearing up your world. And you would have a man who adores you, and would treat you like a queen. So of course it ain't gonna happen. Fulfilling, uncompromised relationships, and happiness have never been in the cards for Brooke. I have been so spitting mad with Ridge messing with her head, and now Rick too? I was squirming in my seat as I listened to him and Ridge talk about Brooke like a friggin possession instead of a living, breathing, human being that can make her own decisions about her own life. As much as I hate it, I can kind of understand where RJ is coming from. The kid has been MIA for most of his life and he lives in whatever fantasy land Ridge built for him about Bridge, so in many ways, he is a victim of his father too. But Rick? Come on man, you, of all people, know how badly Ridge has treated your mom. You know the devastating heartache he has caused her in the name of Mothuuuuur and Saint Fucking Taylor. Now, Bill has done some shit. He has manipulated, and blackmailed, and broken the law, but he has never hurt your mom. Ridge has done all those things too, but he has also spent his entire adult life messing with Brooke and her happiness and you still think he is the better choice? WHAT. THE. HOLY. FUCK??????

I see Liam and Puffy have been noticeably absent from not only Eric's bedside, but Bill's happy day as well. Puffy standing on her principals about Quinn is just driving the dagger further into Eric's heart. If the other family members can manage to go see him and get out of there alive, I am sure you can too sweetie. After all, Ivy is the only one of the bunch that Quinn has ever put her hands on, and they are BFF's now. So shut your stupid pie hole and go see your grandfather. Oh, of course, I mean after you get done rutting Liam like a fucking bull. And Liam, standing on his principals about Bill and Brooke, all the while driving his dick into his sister-in-law. Sounds like Liam is standing on his pecker and not his principals. I hate them both. 

Didn't Quinn relieve the Dirty One of his duties at FC's? So why is he there too busy to talk to Rick? 

I love Alison, and think her and Wyatt hooking up would be the bomb. Take that Puffy bitch; Wyatt done went out and got himself a real Princess! 

AWWWW....Justin and Donna. Just pure fire and sparks with those two. Such a waste that these two can't be together. 

Bill looked really dapper in his dark attire, and loved Donna's dress. 

The Big Brother folks need to go back to their own house. 

Edited October 26, 2016 by RuntheTable

[CountryGirl]

Recap for Tues. 10/25:

Please pause while I gird my loins for this episode.

Wyatt, looking quite nice all cleaned up, arrives at Bill's place where the caterers and florists (among them Big Brother contestants) are setting up. If TPTB wanted to find a way to hire BB's yummy Victor, I wouldn't mind one bit.

Bill asks Wyatt to be his best man and it's nice to see Wyatt have a chance to stand in the sun instead of Liam's lame, worthless, waffling shadow. I can't wait to hear Liam give his excuse for not showing up to the wedding. Too busy boffing Steffy? Although Bill may forgive him for that - ew.

Ridge-Pen calls Brooke because clearly, she has nothing else going on TODAY. The absolute gall of him...

He is sure to plug pimping her for the shares one last time, of course, but he throws in how her marrying Bill "sickens him." He can GTFO with that noise - his mere presence, with flies swarming around his greasy head, sickens ME.

Little prick RJ won't budge at going to the wedding. I'd either send him back to boarding school or to his room. I'd even take him being put in a time out corner because he is seriously the biggest brat on the show right now, which is saying something.

Rick isn't going to the wedding either, which, seriously Rick??? I get he is apparently still butthurt over the Bill/Maya business but he conveniently forgets Maya was a nasty piece of work in her day and regardless, it's his MOTHER. His one constant and Rick has always been shown to be in her corner so this is pure plot contrivance. Not to mention, Rick was just whining about how wrong he was to miss his father's wedding (and he was), now, he's missing his mother's? And don't even start with Brooke wanting a "very intimate ceremony." She wants her children there. Period.

Donna shows up and it's always good to see the lovely Jennifer Gareis. She takes one look at bratty nephew RJ and wants to hightail it outa there. I'm with you, sister. 

RJ tells Brooke one last time that she is making a big mistake. YUGE. And I want to slap the taste of out of his smirky little mouth right about now. You've said your piece, now be a kid and go play video games or something.

Rick adds insult to injury by telling Ridge that while he can't stand him or Bill, he'd pick Ridge (Ridge!!!!) over Bill.

Are you fucking kidding me, Rick?

You'd pick a man who sided with the woman who orchestrated your mother's rape over Bill, a man who once he really got to know Brooke (versus the version everyone and their brother shared with him, Lemonheads Katie, included) was nothing but her biggest champion?

You'd pick the man who sided with his own mother to steal you and Bridget away from him instead of a man who has made it clear he understands the bond between mother and child? 

You'd pick the man who abandoned you and your siblings over and over and over again for some Teflon bitch and her brats over a man who has made it clear family is everything? 

Not to mention, it's not for you, Rick, or anyone else to say whom Brooke should choose. That's for Brooke to decide. Pure and simple and it's clear she has made her choice. She is choosing a man who is head over heels in love with her and has been since he first fell for her in Aspen. She is choosing a man who gives no fucks about what others may think about him or her and makes it clear, accept me, accept us, or get the fuck out of our lives. She has never, ever had that before with anyone, except for maybe two seconds in the wee infancy days of Bricky. 

They both have said how the other makes them better and for once in Brooke's life, she likes who she is with Bill. I mean, look at the contrast:

Brooke with Ridge - whining, crying, pleading, begging, self-loathing, self-flagellating, self-sacrificing, pimping herself out, emotional wreck on the floor.

Brooke with Bill - happy, secure, strong, assertive, take no shit off of no one, calling the shots, confident woman who is calling Ridge out on his bullshit right now.

It just doesn't get any clearer than that.

Donna asks Brooke about getting ready at her house but Brooke, happy and confident laughs off superstitious thoughts, telling Donna she is more than ready to go to Bill and get dressed at his place. 

They arrive at Bill's and WOWZA, I think I saw steam coming off of my TV with just one look between Donna and Justin. Seriously, reunite these two. You don't even have to give them any dialogue (hint hint wink wink). LOL at Wyatt's "Come on, Tiger" as he led a clearly-besotted Justin away.

Brooke's face when she sees Bill and he her's. And when he said to her, "Makeup, no makeup, you're the most beautiful bride ever." My heart melted.

Brooke's smile when Bill tells her the minister won't be leaving until they signed the paperwork and when Bill told her she's his "equal in so many ways." Um, shouldn't that be all ways, Bill, but I won't quibble. 

The tears in her eyes - only happy tears - the antithesis of the ocean of tears she cried for that worthless bastard, Ridge. 

RJ is at the office, whining to Daddy about him needing to stop the wedding. That fucker already stopped the first Brill wedding and I will be livid if he does it again. Please tell me Bill has security all over the place to keep him away. 

Not that I'm getting my hopes up that this wedding will actually happen because we all know it's canon that Brooke Logan can never, ever, ever be happy.

Edited October 26, 2016 by CountryGirl

[Anna Yolei]

I've never had a problem with Rick's chip on the shoulder regarding Ridge so much as the often brattish and sometimes equally entitled and shitty ways he's gone about expressing such sentiments. I wish he'd realize much of the blame is on Brooke's shoulders for never shutting that shit down and the only time she ever "stood up" for Rick was that pitiful excuse she needed to go meddle in Nick's life.

Anyway, no. He didn't need to pee on Ridge's leg like he always does, but that's no reason to have him Team Bridge. FFS, I've seen the guy cheerlead on Nick's behalf and that was AFTER all the shit he'd put his sister through. There are very few things which stay consistent on B&B, and his well earned Ridge hate is one of them.

[Gam2]

OMG--that RJ is such a terrible actor. And such a stupid character. There are really no words for how bad this show is right now. 

[Gam2]

I've never seen TK in any other programs but am curious as to whether or not he's always whispered? That makes me nuts. Just speak up, man!

[jenrising]

It took me two hours but I finally thought of something nice to say about today's episode. Brooke looks really lovely. Hair and dress are great. 

Everything else was horrible. 

[bannana]

4 minutes ago, jenrising said:

It took me two hours but I finally thought of something nice to say about today's episode. Brooke looks really lovely. Hair and dress are great. 

Everything else was horrible. 

Sigh, yes.  And what is with Ridge constantly manhandling women, the way lunged at Donna to move her out of his way?  He's horrid.

Fuck Destiny.  I don't actually like Bill, but he certainly would treat her better than Ridge-pen.

[TobinAlbers]

I just want Brill to happen because I want to see what a marriage between them would be like. What would be their hurdles and victories be like as a power player team on canvas? How would her being Will's aunt and step mother work with Katie? What is the one thing Bill couldn't abide Brooke doing to him that would turn her on him? So far Brooke can do no wrong and he hasn't turned on her since he fell in love with her so I'm intrigued to see what is going to be their weakness to test their marriage.

[Anna Yolei]

God, yes. I'd rather see Brooke with any other of her previous love interests before Ridge. 

The next time that B&B survey comes around, I'm seriously going to campaign for Dave the policeman (now Charlie Baker's boss as chief detective of the LAPD) to be recast and to rekindle that shit. Recast Nick, who also has history with Katie. Hell, chem test KKL with Loading Dock Guy or Carter and let her have some cougar action that is guilt free this time. Or be really bold and have her pull a Meredith Baxter and completely switch teams late in life with Sasha's yet-to-be cast mother.

ANYTHING is preferable to more Bridge.