B&B: What's Up Today at Forrester Creations? - Daily Chat

[ByTor]

3 hours ago, Waldo13 said:

Steffy, in talking about past problems with their relationship...

I have to say, I was quite shocked and impressed by that little display of self-awareness by Steffy.

1 hour ago, RedRockRosie said:

Am I the only one who finds this crap repetitious?

Nope.  In fact, I was thinking today that the writers must all be on vacation & TPTB thought hey, why not, let's just have some different characters say the same lines, nobody will ever notice!

[Cupid Stunt]

2 hours ago, Waldo13 said:

Excuse me but is Hope dead?  Is the mention of her name a crime punishable by death?  Steffy, in talking about past problems with their relationship, doesn't bring up Hope. In the montage, they are in Cabo and wasn't one of the reasons she was there was to keep Liam away from Hope and to have Thomas put the moves on Hope?  If memory serves, Hope predates Steffy's relationship with Liam and I believe Amber is before Steffy also.  Steffy staked Liam and now Liam is staking Steffy.  Beside Bernini dishonorable, turn around is fair play in Bell's book.  

Hope may as well be dead for B&B production and SL purposes.

When Liam asked Steffy if she remembered when they first met, I was disappointed that they didn't include Liam saving Steffy from drowning in Jackie Marone's former SexxxyTime bathtub. Liam was looking for $Bill at the new fuck pad (Jackie Marone's former condo) he'd gifted to Steffy, and Liam walked in to save her when she slipped and bonked her noggin. That's when Steffy imprinted on Liam, and has been playing PushMePullYou with him ever since.

1 hour ago, RedRockRosie said:

Am I the only one who finds this crap repetitious? Every day the same people saying the same thing over & over & over...

You're not alone, Rosie.

B&B is exciting as planning down my calluses.

[Anna Yolei]

5 hours ago, Waldo13 said:

Excuse me but is Hope dead?  Is the mention of her name a crime punishable by death?  Steffy, in talking about past problems with their relationship, doesn't bring up Hope. In the montage, they are in Cabo and wasn't one of the reasons she was there was to keep Liam away from Hope and to have Thomas put the moves on Hope?  If memory serves, Hope predates Steffy's relationship with Liam and I believe Amber is before Steffy also.  Steffy staked Liam and now Liam is staking Steffy.  Beside Bernini dishonorable, turn around is fair play in Bell's book.  

No comment on Brooke and Bill for it will just be rehashing the same old shit but I have to say that Brooke's hair looks like crap or should I say straw. 

Nice scene between Wyatt and Katie today.  Eventually there will be more scenes of them commiserating over their spouses betrayal and a possible Wyatt Katie hook up. After all, Wyatt has gone for his brother's seconds, why not his father's.  

Steffy mention losing Liam to Hope when she told him that she was staying with Wyatt.

But this show certainly has a very selective memory about WafflePuff for sure. Like the marriages, one of which he begged for an annulment (and then didn't follow through, because of course not) and the second that happened because Steffy was knocked up and he wasted no time running to Hope before Puffy had time to book a flight from LAX.

[ByTor]

Also, wasn't there an incident in the first WafflePuff marriage where Liam dumped Steffy when she was in the hospital?  I recall Steffy getting in an accident while riding a dune buggy, Hope pacing around the hospital in a bikini, and Liam accusing Steffy of faking her concussion.  For those with a better memory than me, am I remembering correctly that without Steffy's knowledge Bill got her CT or MRI results changed or switched so it looked like she had a concussion when she really didn't?

[Bill C.]

Yep.  IIRC, Steffy (and everyone else) was made to think it was a life-threatening injury resulting from the ATV wipeout, courtesy Bill.  I think it lasted three months or so.

12 hours ago, Anna Yolei said:

But this show certainly has a very selective memory about WafflePuff for sure.

One word: gondola.

But Hope, weirdly, is perhaps still the absent Princess Ascendant...even though she's not mentioned more than once a quarter (and shown, what, once in the past two years now?).

[CountryGirl]

OMG, with the same flashbacks, show. You are cheap and pathetic and lazy.

And the Aspen stuff wasn't the first time Steffy and Liam met and yes, I will quibble over that because at least if they showed their REAL first scenes, that would be something different for a change.

Also, could they please cease and desist with the Brill decidedly-unsexy-times bomp chicka bomp bomp soundtrack? You are not shooting a porn, Badley, much as you wish otherwise.

[Anna Yolei]

3 hours ago, ByTor said:

Also, wasn't there an incident in the first WafflePuff marriage where Liam dumped Steffy when she was in the hospital?  I recall Steffy getting in an accident while riding a dune buggy, Hope pacing around the hospital in a bikini, and Liam accusing Steffy of faking her concussion.  For those with a better memory than me, am I remembering correctly that without Steffy's knowledge Bill got her CT or MRI results changed or switched so it looked like she had a concussion when she really didn't?

Oh, yes, that's right! There's been so much bullshit that I completely blanked that outta my memory. That was after she, Liam,Thomas and Hope all went to Cabo and had that stupid ass dune buggy chase! I'd almost take that over the nothing we have now, and the repetitive writing that even Secret Life of the American Teenager would be ashamed of.

[ByTor]

Thanks for verifying, @Anna Yolei!  I'm pretty sure Liam did the dumping because he found the fake results and accused Steffy of changing them, and since she was caught in the past for being a lying liar who lies, Liam didn't believe her denial, which actually was the truth.  I'm with you, though...for how bad that was, I'd take it over what we're getting now.  I mean, where else can you use "soap opera" and "dune buggy race" in the same sentence??? :)

Edited June 23, 2016 by ByTor

[CountryGirl]

Let Puffy and Waffles reunite - I am so over them it's not even funny.

I wouldn't mind seeing Wyatt and Katie - I've always thought Bill and Ridge (and Nick before them) were too old for her and not even necessarily an age difference. Let Bill's head spin when Wyatt is with his ex.   

[ByTor]

1 hour ago, CountryGirl said:

Let Puffy and Waffles reunite - I am so over them it's not even funny.

Yeah seriously, just let someone be married and together without contrived crap to break them up.  The only couple that I think they'll actually keep together is Maya & Rick, but IMO that has more to do with political correctness than the writing, because you better believe that if Maya weren't transgender Rick would be endlessly waffling between her & Caroline.

[AussieBabe]

I could stop watching today and never return. I'd miss you guys and the snark, though.

Every time Waffles says robbed, in love, or has a flashback, I'm taking a shot. Every time Puffy says committed, that she's with Wyatt, vows, or anything referencing Thirsty and their marriage, I'm taking a shot. Anytime Wyatt comes on the screen talking about his great marriage when his new bride looks bloody miserable and about the most unhappy bride to date, I'm doubling up. In 19 minutes of airtime, I bet I'll be properly knackered. Too bad I didn't do it yesterday with the word honour. Drinking game goals.

The redundancy has been ridiculous for months. Did the writers go on holiday? Then again, the WTD with Ridge and co. was the same. "Our baby." "No one can know." "We're the parents." Stfu. Didn't you idiots say that six months ago and every day thereafter?

Edited June 23, 2016 by AussieBabe

[Anna Yolei]

4 hours ago, ByTor said:

Thanks for verifying, @Anna Yolei!  I'm pretty sure Liam did the dumping because he found the fake results and accused Steffy of changing them, and since she was caught in the past for being a lying liar who lies, Liam didn't believe her denial, which actually was the truth.  I'm with you, though...for how bad that was, I'd take it over what we're getting now.  I mean, where else can you use "soap opera" and "dune buggy race" in the same sentence??? :)

Lol, true ;)

And yeah, the lie coming out was why he eventually went back with Hope and begged for the annulment papers that he later tore up--and didn't tell Hope about till they were at the alter. I'm still pissed she and Steffy didn't form a tag team to kick him in his non existent gonads.

And this is supposed to be B&B's "nice guy"? GTFO with that crap. This trip down Repressed Memory Lane reminded me why I hate Liam more than any character....more that Rick the Manchild, the entire Avant family, more that Ridge the Entitlement King, more than Brooke and her decades of bullshit....hell, even more than Thomas the goddamn, actual rapist, and even he's paid lip service to realizing what a shit he's been. I've never once gotten that from Liam.

[Waldo13]

What is this shit now with Thomas having to tell the truth. I'll tell you the truth, Thomas, Caroline wanted a shoulder to cry on, not a dick in her hooch. Caroline certainly was RAPED, so what spin are you going to put on that truth.  You expect Caroline to go along with it being complicit making her look like a complete hussy. Caroline, think about how many Facebook followers you will loose. That should snap you back to reality. 

[politichick]

57 minutes ago, Waldo13 said:

What is this shit now with Thomas having to tell the truth. I'll tell you the truth, Thomas, Caroline wanted a shoulder to cry on, not a dick in her hooch. Caroline certainly was RAPED, so what spin are you going to put on that truth.  You expect Caroline to go along with it being complicit making her look like a complete hussy. Caroline, think about how many Facebook followers you will loose. That should snap you back to reality. 

Yeah, I can't wait to see what spin they put on this, too. Then, it will cause a rift between Caroline and Ridge, which I hope won't be too damaging because their pairing works well for the two of them and their in-real-life kids, and then it will turn out that the rapist isn't the father after all. I hope

[Foghorn Leghorn]

Show gives me nothing but I do like Steffy's hair....FINALLY!!!  LOL  

[apbr]

2 hours ago, Waldo13 said:

What is this shit now with Thomas having to tell the truth. I'll tell you the truth, Thomas, Caroline wanted a shoulder to cry on, not a dick in her hooch. Caroline certainly was RAPED, so what spin are you going to put on that truth.  You expect Caroline to go along with it being complicit making her look like a complete hussy. Caroline, think about how many Facebook followers you will loose. That should snap you back to reality. 

I don't like it, but I'm hoping that when she said to let everyone know who Douglas' father REALLY is, she means to say Thomas, the guy who slept with anyone who breathed, is REALLY a rapist who took advantage of her.  He wasn't there FOR HER he was there FOR HIMSELF!  Todd was reviled for raping Marty but he chose to admit he raped her and at least attempted to atone for it.  Thomas thinks it means he was helping her because Ridge "dumped" her and he (Thomas) did NOTHING wrong.  What a jerk!

[Bill C.]

Thomas's argument that enough people now know (particularly Bill) about Dougie's paternity that it was pretty much going to come out no matter what actually had a lot of merit, IMO.  The problem is the punctuation mark...

Once more into the breach, dear show (even if it had Ridge blasting Thomas for saying that, which I suspect was actually meant to make Ridge look bad--yeah, show, about that...)  And since Caroline openly sided with Thomas over Ridge...I'm assuming this was the real start of the end of Caridge's marriage.

OTOH, Liam wanting to use Spencer Publications to help folks?  I don't have a problem with this.  It gives him something to do, it's a generally positive thing (especially in the wake of stuff like the Gawker/Hulk Hogan trial), and it's not--at least right now--connected to anything Steffy.  Which is probably why it won't happen, or they'll wonk it up.

[Waldo13]

Thomas is beating his chest that he is Douglas's father while Lizzy's mother, Nicole, shows absolutely no interest in the baby she gave birth to.  I think Thomas cares more about his ego (I'm a man, look what made) than Douglas, Caroline, or Ridge. Thomas has total access and can and will be instrumental in raising Douglas.  Yes, Thomas, take them to court and explain the circumstances of how you became Douglas' father.  I would imagine, goody two shoes Caroline, would not lie under oath and say it was consensual.  

[ByTor]

6 hours ago, AussieBabe said:

In 19 minutes of airtime, I bet I'll be properly knackered.

Maybe knackered enough that you'd find the show pretty good :)  That being said...cocktails or not, don't leave us, I enjoy your insight!

3 hours ago, Foghorn Leghorn said:

Show gives me nothing but I do like Steffy's hair....FINALLY!!!  LOL  

I really liked her dress too.

[grisgris]

Douglas' paternity was confirmed today. Did anybody notice the way he had his hand stuck in the top of Steffy's dress and was literally grabbing her boob?

[SweePea59]

5 hours ago, Bill C. said:

OTOH, Liam wanting to use Spencer Publications to help folks?  I don't have a problem with this.  It gives him something to do, it's a generally positive thing (especially in the wake of stuff like the Gawker/Hulk Hogan trial), and it's not--at least right now--connected to anything Steffy.  Which is probably why it won't happen, or they'll wonk it up.

Maybe Liam starts a foundation for young women who have used too much Botox or can't seem to find the right hair style or run like linebackers on the beach?

[slayer2]

10 hours ago, ByTor said:

Yeah seriously, just let someone be married and together without contrived crap to break them up.  The only couple that I think they'll actually keep together is Maya & Rick, but IMO that has more to do with political correctness than the writing, because you better believe that if Maya weren't transgender Rick would be endlessly waffling between her & Caroline.

That's probably true, but I'll take it. I'm Raya trash so I'll take nearly anything at this point. Wrt Steffy and Wyatt, it's weird to admit but I ship it, harder and harder everyday. To me Wyatt humanizes Steffy and I think JMW is at her best when in scenes with DB. They have a natural and unforced chemistry which I don't find with Steffy and Liam and I actually would stick around to watch them do mundane things like eat breakfast or do the morning crossword whereas with Steam I just want them to evaporate and they actively drive me away from the show. Speaking of JMW, she's been looking just lovely these days, a tone down of makeup has really played up her features.

2 hours ago, Waldo13 said:

Thomas is beating his chest that he is Douglas's father while Lizzy's mother, Nicole, shows absolutely no interest in the baby she gave birth to.  I think Thomas cares more about his ego (I'm a man, look what made) than Douglas, Caroline, or Ridge. Thomas has total access and can and will be instrumental in raising Douglas.  Yes, Thomas, take them to court and explain the circumstances of how you became Douglas' father.  I would imagine, goody two shoes Caroline, would not lie under oath and say it was consensual.  

She's not a goody-two shoes. She is far from it.

[Cupid Stunt]

14 hours ago, Bill C. said:

Thomas's argument that enough people now know (particularly Bill) about Dougie's paternity that it was pretty much going to come out no matter what actually had a lot of merit, IMO.  The problem is the punctuation mark...

Once more into the breach, dear show (even if it had Ridge blasting Thomas for saying that, which I suspect was actually meant to make Ridge look bad--yeah, show, about that...)  And since Caroline openly sided with Thomas over Ridge...I'm assuming this was the real start of the end of Caridge's marriage.

Caroline has been edging away from Ridge when he started bossing her around in earnest and his ineptitude couldn't keep Thomas in Paris. Once she had to work daily with her rapist and deal with the stress on her own, their marriage was done for.

Thomas has been circling, apologizing, begging, cajoling, befriending, playing the chastened malefactor to Caroline or the big brother to Doug. When he was told Doug was his son, Thomas doubled his efforts to sway Caroline's opinion of who was Doug's real father, while Ridge became more implacable on his decision to father Doug, more distrustful of Thomas (rightfully so), and more dismissive of Caroline's emotional vacillating.

Thomas is still in lust with Caroline -- Thomas only loves himself -- and Doug is how he will take possession of Caroline ... or so he thinks. He threatened to go to court to have Doug's birth certificate changed, and Family Court will insist on a DNA test to confirm his claim of paternity. That's when Ridge's Super Sperm will be the winner of the Who's The Daddy? Forrester Sweepstakes.

Knowing Thomas raped Caroline, Ridge has been openly critical and disgusted with his son without specifics. Once Thomas thought of himself as Doug's biological father, he kidnapped Doug and has been instigating confrontations with Ridge, pressing for ownership of Caroline and Doug. It's an expansion of their argument of Thomas' design talent and personal maturity to lead at Forrester Creations. Thomas pressing for paternity on the birth certificate will give Ridge the opportunity to cut Thomas off at the knees. By supporting Thomas' claim, Caroline will end up with a lesser design role at Forrester Creations.

By that time of the DNA test and siding with Thomas' paternity claim, Caroline will have done damage to her marriage to Ridge. Irreparable damage? Maybe.

Historically, Ridge hasn't been particularly forgiving to emotional betrayal by his many wives, and I don't see that behavior changing; Ridge's opinion of Caroline will suffer. Thomas will have declared his undying devotion to Caroline and Doug, with the usual arguments against Ridge. In Caroline's inconstant fashion, she'll be paying attention to Thomas' positive attentions.

Edited June 24, 2016 by Cupid Stunt

[Anna Yolei]

Cupid Stunt, a quick nitpick, but I just relized...Ridge has never had THAT many wives. He was married to Caroline first, then after she died, he's bounced back between Brooke and Taylor. I lost tract of his wedfings/legal marriages to Brooke, but he was married to Taylor thrice over. Since I've followed the show, the only viable love interest he's that wasn't either of them was Ashley.

But otherwise, I agree. I just finish binging the latest season of Orange is the New Black, and I was so reminded of Thomas's attitude...

...when the writers addressed Coates the creepy guard that raped Tucky last season. Especially the last scenes they have together that shows he sorta gets it, but can't help himself and even Tucky realizes for all the nice words, this will never work because he's still a creep that doesn't see himself as a rapist.

...which bodes no good if TIIC want to keep him around as a character.

[Kitty Redstone]

On 6/17/2016 at 7:10 PM, apbr said:

Maybe it was just my imagination but when Katie hugged Brooke and it showed her face, it looked like Katie did a small little grin.  I'm hoping that she already knows that Bill and Brooke are hooking up and she's going to pull a Sami Brady on them.

This would be awesome, and almost make watching this dreck worthwhile.  I'd love it if Katie - without her trademarked whining, heaving, hypocrisy and crying - would tell both those assholes to FOAD (and actually mean it), start a new business and get a new man who is immune to Brooke.  Let Brooke have yet another jerk who waffles between two or three women and lies like a rug.

 

On 6/22/2016 at 2:02 PM, Cupid Stunt said:

She was hiding under their bed, is Brooke, and the viewer, supposed to dismiss that $Bill is still having sex with Katie too?

Exactly!  Does Brooke think Bill is going to make Katie feel secure in their marriage without any physical intimacy?  It's all so, so stupid.

[Cupid Stunt]

9 hours ago, Anna Yolei said:

Cupid Stunt, a quick nitpick, but I just relized...Ridge has never had THAT many wives. He was married to Caroline first, then after she died, he's bounced back between Brooke and Taylor. I lost tract of his wedfings/legal marriages to Brooke, but he was married to Taylor thrice over. Since I've followed the show, the only viable love interest he's that wasn't either of them was Ashley.

I'm not counting the number of women he's rotated through. I'm speaking to the number of times Ridge has been married to Caroline 1.0, Brooke (6), Taylor (3) and Caroline 2.0.

I consider Ridge (11x) and Brooke (10x) the worst of the serial monogamists on B&B. Eric is at eight marriages, but Liam (5-6x?) is making up for his short time on Show.

Edited June 24, 2016 by Cupid Stunt

[ByTor]

17 minutes ago, Cupid Stunt said:

 Liam (6x?) is making up for his short time on Show.

How many of those were to Steffy, 3?    I love how he tried to use that fact as an argument to Steffy as to why they belong together.  If you can't make a go of it after 3 times I doubt you ever will!

[CountryGirl]

10 hours ago, SweePea59 said:

Maybe Liam starts a foundation for young women who have used too much Botox or can't seem to find the right hair style or run like linebackers on the beach?

Or like big ol' cows? Which may or may not have been said by MamaCountryGirl.

Seriously though, how did Steffy's clumsily jumping up on Liam not send both of them sprawling to the sand? When you are forced to watch the same flashback over and over (and over again), you tend to ponder such questions.

[Cupid Stunt]

39 minutes ago, ByTor said:

How many of those were to Steffy, 3?    I love how he tried to use that fact as an argument to Steffy as to why they belong together.  If you can't make a go of it after 3 times I doubt you ever will!

I edited my earlier post to reflect Liam had been married (5-6x) -- I think Liam's been married to Steffy twice, Hope twice, and Ivy once. For some nagging reason, because of how many times he's been engaged, I keep thinking there's another marriage/divorce/annulment floating around in his history.

[Bill C.]

And just think, y'all:

• Ridge Forrester - 11 marriages in 29 years
• Liam Spencer - 5 marriages in 6 years

[ByTor]

@Cupid Stunt...I was thinking 3 with Steffy; dune buggy honeymoon marriage, gondola marriage, and motorcycle marriage.  Or was dune buggy/gondola-gate the same marriage?  I only remember 1 with Hope (Italy) and of course 1 with Ivy.

[Anna Yolei]

1 hour ago, Cupid Stunt said:

I edited my earlier post to reflect Liam had been married (5-6x) -- I think Liam's been married to Steffy twice, Hope twice, and Ivy once. For some nagging reason, because of how many times he's been engaged, I keep thinking there's another marriage/divorce/annulment floating around in his history.

Liam, despite God knows how many wedding attempts, was never legally married to Hope IIRC. The one wedding that went off with the least amount of hitches was invalidated. 

Still, just the fact that he's had just as many marriages and wedding attempts in six years as a long standing day one character is astonishing.

For reference, in 1993 Brooke had been married to Eric for two years and her only other engagements had been to Dave and Ridge. More importantly, she wasn't defined by this fact, as I feel Liam is, more so than any other character in the show's history. 

[Cupid Stunt]

3 hours ago, ByTor said:

@Cupid Stunt...I was thinking 3 with Steffy; dune buggy honeymoon marriage, gondola marriage, and motorcycle marriage.  Or was dune buggy/gondola-gate the same marriage?  I only remember 1 with Hope (Italy) and of course 1 with Ivy.

2 hours ago, Anna Yolei said:

Liam, despite God knows how many wedding attempts, was never legally married to Hope IIRC. The one wedding that went off with the least amount of hitches was invalidated. 

Still, just the fact that he's had just as many marriages and wedding attempts in six years as a long standing day one character is astonishing.

For reference, in 1993 Brooke had been married to Eric for two years and her only other engagements had been to Dave and Ridge. More importantly, she wasn't defined by this fact, as I feel Liam is, more so than any other character in the show's history. 

 

Thank you for straightening this out for me. I couldn't sort out Liam's pathologic obsession with marrying every woman in his minuscule orbit.

[AussieBabe]

Well, I like Caroline today for finally standing up to Ridge. This secret was going to cause her to have a breakdown. More of this and less of the shrinking violet who takes orders from daddy. TPTB can kick rocks for this obvious rewrite with her needing someone and not being in a vulnerable position. 

Oh Wyatt thinks Steffy is gonna stay around long enough to have a child with him? That's cute. 

[Kitty Redstone]

I'm disgusted that TIIC have now completely walked back that Thomas raped Caroline.  We saw it, and it was awful.

But now she says it was ok and not really rape, and that she asked for it?  And Thomas gets rewarded with a baby hand-off? 

This show is so fucking gross.

[nkotb]

^^^Totall agree, Kitty Redstone.

I'm actually thinking of taking a break from our show for a while because I'm so repulsed by this storyline, and I'm saying that as a huge LG/Caroline fan. It was rape. We all saw it, and just for reference, according to the Webster's Dictionary on-line, the definition of rape is: "unlawful sexual activity and usually sexual intercourse carried out forcibly or under threat of injury against the will usually of a female or with a person who is beneath a certain age or incapable of valid consent." (To be clear, I just quoted the website, I did not add or agree with the "female" part, as I think men can be raped as well) Caroline was drinking and using pills when he raped her, which Thomas knew if I remember correctly. Even if not, she was barely coherent, and there was no way she was capable of consenting. Forcing Caroline to side with her rapist and to have to maintain a relationship with him for the rest of her life by linking Douglas to him is absolutely disgusting.

However, if I put all of that aside, how does Caroline think it benefits Douglas for everyone in the world to know at the very minimum, he was a product of a one-night-stand between his mother and his father/brother? If the family is as world-famous as the show insinuates, won't she have to either explain to the press that A) she slept with her stepson-to-be or B) she mixed pills and wine and didn't know what she was doing, so her son was the product of a drugged/drunken one-night stand between his mother and his father/brother? She knows she was inebriated, & at the very beginning, both she and Ridge basically acknowledged that it was rape. Backtracking now and saying that she was equally at fault for too many pills & glasses of wine is like saying a woman was asking for rape because her skirt was too short or her shirt was too skimpy, and that's a very slippery slope the writers probably want to avoid, especially in light of the recent Stanford-rapist's way-too-light prison sentence and the subsequent backlash. Ugh, my BP is probably sky-high right now.

We all know that Douglas is Ridge's son, and that will come out soon, but that doesn't undo that Thomas is a rapist, and there is no going back from that. I know other actors/characters in soap operas have come back from being a rapist & been viable characters, but PF/Thomas doesn't have the charm of Matt Ashford/Jack Deveraux, Roger Howarth/Todd Manning, or even early-Tony Geary/Luke Spencer. Make Ridge the biological dad, write Thomas out and move on from this horrible, insulting, wretched storyline faster than Wyatt marries Liam's leftovers.

Edited June 24, 2016 by nkotb

[Anna Yolei]

1 hour ago, AussieBabe said:

 

Oh Wyatt thinks Steffy is gonna stay around long enough to have a child with him? That's cute. 

Of course, because everyone stays in marriages on this show once a baby is born. Like Hope would have done if KM didn't quit and they eventually would've discovered the kid was Liam's :/

[Waldo13]

So now we have the revisionist history and RAPE NIGHT wasn't really RAPE NIGHT.  Are we now going to have a revised video of Caroline welcoming Thomas with open legs?  

Why do Rick and Maya get a pass on marrage problems and absolutely not one once of drama between Auntie Nicole and Momma Nicole.  PC is ok for some but not PC for others. Hey Bell, all people are created equally, but are some created more equally than others?  

I had to laugh when Katie was urging Brooke and Ridge back together. Yes Katie, Caroline and Thomas had a connection for about a week before Rick swooped in. 

[Bill C.]

Katie putting Brooke on the spot about her "mystery man" and immediately assuming it was Bill was almost enough to offset yet another--and inevitable--walking back from Rape Night.

Almost.

The thing is still that frustrating sense that Thomas is being rewarded for "what happened that night," even if the show may not consciously be trying to make it look that way.  Thomas being forgiven by Caroline for the whole thing still has at least two precedents on the show, for better or worse--and LG really is doing some good work with what she's got, particularly Caroline on the verge of a breakdown--but AFAIK neither precedent involved a child.  That aspect does not remotely help, not one damn bit.

As for Liam possibly starting a foundation in his spare time...can we get one good, positive Liam thing this year, show?  Please?

[FanOfTheFans]

We need some new blood on this soap. Some decent love interests for Liam, Brooke, Sasha, etc.  

The writers can try to put a ribbon on the relationship between Caroline and Thomas but it will still always be sullied. It can never be a great love story as much as they seem to be headed in that direction.  

Katie's contentment lasted all of two seconds. I'm so sick of her ranting, she has me rooting for Brill.  

Edited June 24, 2016 by FanOfTheFans

[thewhiteowl]

I could root for Brill because I think those two deserve each other. Much like Rick and Myra. I think Katie deserves better than the both of them. I don't care for the coersive rape he's doing. I don't think he needed to, Brooke was a moment away from falling with her legs open anyway, she just wanted to be not responsible so when Katie finds out she can wail that she did it for Katie! And that's pathetic. Brooke used to have more moxie than that. 

[ByTor]

1) Why is it the public's business whose sperm made Doug?

2) I can't believe how Katie's mood changed on a dime.  I can only speak for myself, but as far as I'm concerned if I ask someone a question and they replied to me by staring teary eyed, that's all the answer I'd need!

[grisgris]

I have yet to see Brooke really push Bill away when he make overtures towards her. She makes some feeble protests that "they shouldn't be doing this," etc., then falls right into his arms, rolls around on the bed with him and more. Who knows how far things would have gone if Rick hadn't busted their tete a tete up.

Also, what business is it of Rick's to go around blabbing about Brooke's personal life to anybody?

Katie is clearly completely off the deep end. Whether or not Brooke and Bill are involved is completely irrelevant. She needs immediate intensive psychiatric care. Why hasn't the guy hired to play her therapist been back? There was such a big deal made about him joining the show and he was in ONE scene. Brooke also needs to just stay away from Katie. If they truly are trying to repair their relationship, then they need to take it slowly. It really comes across that Brooke always "happens" to stop over at Katie's house for whatever reason, (probably to hopefully "run into" Bill have a discussion about faux concern for Katie)  and it only seems to antagonize Katie even more. I swear that she's needling her on purpose, so when the shit finally hits the fan, she can feign innocence in that she was just "checking up on her sister." Brooke and Bill deserve each other. I have turned in my $Bill love card after this week with his hypocritical stance on respecting marriage.

Also, if I have to hear Liam reference "Dad's commitment to Katie and respect for marriage," one more time, I'm going to puke.

I'm so over Thomas/Ridge/Caroline. I don't give a fuck how Douglas came into the world, and I'm sure yeah, that the rest of the world doesn't either. The only seemingly positive outcome was some awesome acting by LG and that Caroline finally grew a spine and challenged that ogre she's presently married to. Let Thomas and Caroline go off into the sunset and raise the baby. Now that everything's out in the open, Thomas can keep his shirt on.

[LittleIggy]

10 hours ago, Kitty Redstone said:

I'm disgusted that TIIC have now completely walked back that Thomas raped Caroline.  We saw it, and it was awful.

But now she says it was ok and not really rape, and that she asked for it?  And Thomas gets rewarded with a baby hand-off? 

This show is so fucking gross.

Amen! Thomas the Rapist gets rewarded with an innocent baby. Why did the writers show Caroline being totally wasted and unable to give consent (remember they even showed through Caroline's eyes her looking at Creeper and being unable to focus) if they were going to go with this pile of excrement development? They probably agreed with that Judge's decision in the Stanford rape case.

[MsTree]

UO, but I saw it exactly how Caroline sees it. She needed a shoulder to cry on and they were both impaired. It's a soap...it happens.

[Anna Yolei]

28 minutes ago, MsTree said:

UO, but I saw it exactly how Caroline sees it. She needed a shoulder to cry on and they were both impaired. It's a soap...it happens.

B&B is not subtle. If they wanted to make it clear that it was a shoulder to cry on, they would have done so, IMO, just like they did with Brooke and Nick in the fondry. 

Brad Bell was ON THE WRITING TEAM when they had the initial backlash almost 30 years ago with Ridge's "prank" of "sleeping with" Caroline. Mind you, this was in the late 80s when we had far more...antiquated ideas of what rape was, but the audience even back then reacted very poorly to this.

There's no excuse for the same rubbish in 2016. None at all.

OTOH, that anything unsavory happened ar all is still more acknowledgement than Liam ever got for his mental rape, and now it's back to the same old tired ass bollocks he's been doing the last six years. And honestly, I kinda find that to be even worse.

[MsTree]

Totally agree with you re: Liam, Anna. In fact, he's beginning to irritate me.

[Cupid Stunt]

On ‎6‎/‎24‎/‎2016 at 4:49 PM, Bill C. said:

As for Liam possibly starting a foundation in his spare time...can we get one good, positive Liam thing this year, show?  Please?

Forget it.

What top management corporate executive walks into a budget meeting to propose creating a charitable foundation without backup research, hard numbers from the Accounting Department, charts, graphs, PDA and extravagant SmartBoard presentation?

Other than wearing out Liam's waning Favorite Son designation with $Bill, sniping at his sexual rival Wyatt, attempting to draw Steffy into backing his unprepared scheme, using his dubious charms and sniveling argument that's 'It's a good thing' to start a Spencer Charitable Foundation, the Triple Threat of Fake Talents -- computer wiz, irresistible sexxxy beast and insta-social philanthropist -- proposes off-loading a lucrative magazine division and rolling that money into an unknown, unprepared and deeply mediocre charity proposal.

Liam offers unsubstantiated tax benefits and goodwill free advertising for Spencer Publications that a foundation would generate. No hard numbers, no examples of other White People Giving Away Their Money Foundations, no costs of administration versus money awarded, no state and federal regulations, no prerequisites, no requirements and terms to receive money, not even an idea on what type of philanthropy the foundation is going to throw its money at.

$Bill is supposed to toss a sack of cash at Liam so he has something to do with his idle time while he waits for Steffy to get an itch only Liam can scratch? Nope. $Bill squashed that, and dumped Liam's non-proposal back in his lap -- 'Your money, your time, and leave my gossip magazine profits out of it.'

It looks like you've burned another bridge with capitalist $Bill after not filing charges against Quinn and wingeing about "being robbed" when Steffy chose to marry Wyatt. You actually thought $Bill would agree to hand over several million dollars at an idea you've done no due diligence or research?. No more special favors and benefits as Favorite Son, Liam. Your days resting on your laurels are over.

Edited June 26, 2016 by Cupid Stunt

[Bill C.]

And all that, Cupid, is why Liam will succeed...assuming the show isn't going to swerve us somehow.  Again.

[tricknasty]

I'm so sick of Thirsty's smug face and comments. He never shows dignity when he takes Liam's women.  He has the girl and favored son position. For now. He did the same shit when he got with Hope. When Steffy leaves him I'm gonna laugh and laugh.