Love in the Time of Walkers: Relationships in The Walking Dead

[kia112]

Nope, I'm in the fight for Rick, too.

[ghoulina]

I love Rick, but I'm not IN love with Rick. Although, when he goes full on Grizzly Adams I almost start to swoon. 

[Enigma X]

On 11/17/2016 at 0:17 PM, ghoulina said:

I love Rick, but I'm not IN love with Rick. Although, when he goes full on Grizzly Adams I almost start to swoon. 

"Regular" Rick makes me smile from ear to ear; Grizzly Adams Rick makes squeal; and Cray Cray Grizzly Adams Rick makes my ovaries hurt. This is why I am so glad that after this season's episode 2 that I stopped watching because Negan's breaking of Rick's will would have been unbearable to watch, especially since it seems to adhere to some convoluted writing structure to bring that about.

Edited November 20, 2016 by Enigma X
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[tricknasty]

20 hours ago, kia112 said:

Nope, I'm in the fight for Rick, too.

I'd hit that everyday and twice on Sundays ♥

[GodsBeloved]

22 hours ago, Ocean Chick said:

Then we're agreed - no Morgan/Carol ship, except friendship.

Agreed but keep her away from my Ezekiel too though sadly I think it's likely I will have to suffer Carol ?

Edited November 18, 2016 by GodsBeloved

[Madding crowd]

I must be easy then, I had the hots for Shane , but also find Rick hot. I think Morgan is attractive and think he and Carol would compliment each other well. Ezekiel is too much of a cartoon at this point, as is Negan.

Edited November 18, 2016 by Madding crowd
Auto correct changes every word I write

[ByTor]

So...while everybody above is duking it out over Rick, I'll split my time between Morgan & Jesus :)

[Ocean Chick]

You'd have to fight me for Jesus.  But you're welcome to enjoy Morgan.

[ByTor]

I won't fight for Jesus; instead if anyone wants him I'll just monologue them Negan-style until they give him up.  Easy peasy lemon squeezy :)

Edited November 19, 2016 by ByTor

[raven]

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I'd hit that everyday and twice on Sundays ♥

Yes indeedy.    Rick is hot.

That shot someone posted of Khary Payton shirtless?  OMG.  Most definitely yes. 

Jesus - good looking but too skinny.   Jon Bernthal (Shane) - yup, hot.  Not "hot" but there is something attractive about Lennie James (Morgan). 

[Enigma X]

Never thought Shane was hot. In fact, I find him f'ugly. Jesus is good looking but no Rick.

[Ohwell]

I just can't with Rick.  Sure, Michonne is his ride or die chick right now, but I wouldn't trust him.  I'll never forget how he lost his shit the minute he laid eyes on Jesse or whatever her name was.  Michonne who?  I think he'd drop her like a bad habit the minute he cast eyes on another pretty, clean white female like Sherry, for instance.  

As for me, I'd like to turn Father Pee Pants into a raging sinner.   

[mightysparrow]

1 hour ago, Ohwell said:

I just can't with Rick.  Sure, Michonne is his ride or die chick right now, but I wouldn't trust him.  I'll never forget how he lost his shit the minute he laid eyes on Jesse or whatever her name was.  Michonne who?  I think he'd drop her like a bad habit the minute he cast eyes on another pretty, clean white female like Sherry, for instance.  

As for me, I'd like to turn Father Pee Pants into a raging sinner.   

Get thee behind me, Satan.  The good Father is mine!

Since I'm not emotionally invested in Ezekiel, I wouldn't go into mourning if Ezekiel got with Carol, even though I'd feel sorry for the brother.  But Carol can keep her self-involved, self-pitying, murderous hands off my Morgan.  

@ByTor, I'm with you about Rick.  If he was the last man on earth, he would be the LAST MAN ON EARTH because I wouldn't go near him even if it meant the survival of the human race.

[ByTor]

3 hours ago, Ohwell said:

As for me, I'd like to turn Father Pee Pants into a raging sinner.   

 

2 hours ago, mightysparrow said:

Get thee behind me, Satan.  The good Father is mine!

Love this!!! :)

[jvr]

It's interesting how quickly this thread turned into a 'who would you fuck?'

On 11/19/2016 at 6:09 PM, mightysparrow said:

I just can't with Rick.  Sure, Michonne is his ride or die chick right now, but I wouldn't trust him.  I'll never forget how he lost his shit the minute he laid eyes on Jesse or whatever her name was.  Michonne who?  I think he'd drop her like a bad habit the minute he cast eyes on another pretty, clean white female like Sherry, for instance.

I don't think this has been show to be the case at all re Rick (at all). I don't see how that dumbass Jesse storyline (we can all agree on that) has to mean bad things for the Michonne and Rick relationship. Pre-Jesse they had not been in a romantic relationship... they had a solid working partnership, friendship, and some nice sexual tension from time to time. If they had had a prior romantic relationship before Jesse happened I might feel the same but they didn't, he didn't drop her for anyone. I feel he was far too loyal to Lori to be honest.

Also I don't think Rick lost his mind when he laid eyes on Jesse...He had already lost his mind before getting to Alexandria, he was a paranoid nutjob and wouldn't even consider going to a possible safe haven without Michonne pushing him. And his nutjob paranoia didn't disappear once they got to Alexandria, I think it got worse. He was quick to start planning a damn hostile takeover of the town. I think it was interesting that the minute they got to Alexandria he started avoiding Michonne, he knew she wanted this place so much and he was going to fuck it up for her lol. He started lying to her and paling around with sneaky ass Carol (who was feeding into his paranoia) and Daryl. But, he revealed more about what he thought of Michonne in those actions, he said so himself when he came clean...he was scared (knew) she could change his mind, he was scared of what she would think, and he didn't want to disappoint her. 

Most of all I think Rick only pursued Jesse because she was obviously interested in him and he couldn't read Michonne, we see later on that same season that Michonne didn't even know what she wanted (make up your mind girl)! I'm sure he was uncertain (maybe afraid) of trying something there with no indications of how it would go and possibly ruining a good thing in the process. After Michonne figured shit out in her head it became clearer to Rick it was a possibility (their relationship pretty much started an ep or two after she decided what she wanted). I think Rick also liked the idea of saving Jesse (from her husband, from the zombies), she was someone that needed help (and Michonne doesn't..I think she does though but in not obvious ways) and that also fed into his crazy mind. Maybe trying to recreate a Lori situation, someone who needed him. I feel Rick was always there for the taking (when he wasn't being insane), Michonne just had to show she wanted it.

Anyway that story was stupid (mostly cause Jesse and her family were stupid) and with better writing might have conveyed more of what was going on in all three peoples minds but as you can see I make it work for me storyline-wise. I won't let it cast doubt on this next phase of their lives.

This past ep was light on Michonne and Rick but I love that so far this season Michonne has not been afraid to say what she feels in opposition to Rick's ideas. They are not on the same page but are trying to be there for each other. Rick is obviously broken mentally and Michonne is trying not to become that lone wolf again, thinking only of herself. Someone else mentioned that this is not a good environment for starting a new relationship, that is definitely an understatement, it could be very easy for both of them to give up or blame each other. 

The one moment this ep was really nice, showing that Michonne still is not sure of Ricks course of action but she is still with him, is not giving up on him or this relationship, and is trying to build his confidence back. Rick seems so scared of what she might think of him (as a man, as a leader) and I like that she is giving him indications that they are ok (not letting him be timid with that cheek goodbye kiss). It's interesting to me that Rick would think she wouldn't want to be with him anymore, it might reveal a little of what he thinks she likes in him (strong, confident, leader...things he is lacking now). I think Michonne is drawn to family man Rick above all else, how much he loves his kids (imo). I also like that soft spoken Michonne is shown as assertive with him, but also kind of shy...it fits. Anyway, a short but intense scene, conveyed a lot (to me). A lot of their scenes are intense to the point of uncomfortable sometimes lol. I liked in the previous ep that Michonne almost left the bedroom (left Rick there) but turned around and came back, she is absolutely trying with him, and not letting doubt creep into his mind regarding them. So far so good.

Carl and Enid....eh. They are raging hormonal teenagers, not much else to say there.

We talk about platonic love in here too right? Sasha and Maggie were so good this ep. I love a strong friendship with lots of emotional support. The doctor said Maggie has to stay at Hilltop till she gives birth...she isn't even showing yet! I don't know how I feel about them being separate from the group from now on but that seems to be the direction of this season. Hope we get to see more of supportive strong Sasha and more of Maggie's grief regarding Glenn. We need more hugging on this show!

[kia112]

@jvr. Anytime people start talking about Rick and Michonne, I'm like

Those crazy kids are gonna make it. I just know it.

[Rosiejuliemom]

Am I crazy or were some seeds planted last night? It felt like the writers might have been trying to lay the groundwork for eventual Jesus/Maggie or Jesus/Sasha. I think if they do go there, it will be Richonne levels of slow burn, but I'm not against either one.

 

As for the 'who would you fuck?', I guess I'm down for Spencer. He may be dumber than a box of hair, but he is easy on the eyes. 

[DearEvette]

This is the first ep of the season I watched and only because it was Negan free.

Three things that struck me relationship wise:

1 - Obviously Rick and Michonne have been at odds.  They still slept in the same bed but it was back turned.  Michonne making the hesitant cheek peck into a real kiss  and Rick's quiet 'Thank You' really hit me in the feels.  Because Michonne is signalling that she is still with him and he accepting it, has to mean a lot for a man who right now is probably feeling all sorts of emasculated.

2 - I love that they are following through on the Maggie/Sasha connection that began when Maggie reached out to Sasha after Tyreese's death.  They had a connection with losing the primary male family member and now both women are connected by losing their men in the same way.  I hope this relationships is nurtured

3 - A little "yikes" came out when Jesus handed Sasha the necklace Rosita made for Abraham.  Well that's awkward and only we know why.

[kia112]

13 minutes ago, DearEvette said:

This is the first ep of the season I watched and only because it was Negan free.

Three things that struck me relationship wise:

1 - Obviously Rick and Michonne have been at odds.  They still slept in the same bed but it was back turned.  Michonne making the hesitant cheek peck into a real kiss  and Rick's quiet 'Thank You' really hit me in the feels.  Because Michonne is signalling that she is still with him and he accepting it, has to mean a lot for a man who right now is probably feeling all sorts of emasculated.

The forehead touch and the "thank you" and the way they were looking at each other killed me. Like, what the heck?!? It took my breath away. That never happens to me when I'm watching TV.

[ghoulina]

4 hours ago, jvr said:

We talk about platonic love in here too right? Sasha and Maggie were so good this ep. I love a strong friendship with lots of emotional support.

I hope so, because those are often my favorite relationships on the show. I think the writers kind of suck at romance. Richonne nails it because the actors are so fabulous and obviously have a strong connection. But other than that....meh, I get bored as hell by most of the romantic relationships. In fact, that's probably why I've been very bored by Sasha and Maggie lately. But I did really enjoy them mourning together last night, and Sasha's adamant support of Maggie staying at Hilltop. 

[ByTor]

5 hours ago, Rosiejuliemom said:

Am I crazy or were some seeds planted last night? It felt like the writers might have been trying to lay the groundwork for eventual Jesus/Maggie or Jesus/Sasha. I think if they do go there, it will be Richonne levels of slow burn, but I'm not against either one.

As for the 'who would you fuck?', I guess I'm down for Spencer. He may be dumber than a box of hair, but he is easy on the eyes. 

I thought the seeds were being planted for Jesus/Sasha, I didn't really see any kind of tension with Maggie, but who the hell knows, it's anybody's guess.

For the record, I think Spencer's quite hot!

[Timetoread]

On ‎11‎/‎18‎/‎2016 at 11:18 AM, Madding crowd said:

I must be easy then, I had the hots for Shane , but also find Rick hot. I think Morgan is attractive and think he and Carol would compliment each other well. Ezekiel is too much of a cartoon at this point, as is Negan.

Not just you.  For the first two seasons, I was in this show for Shane alone.  After his sad, untimely demise, I was in mourning.  I didn't even notice Rick until, well specifically, he grew a five o'clock shadow and was sporting that checkered shirt he wore in Clear.  I was like, "Dang, Rick really is mildly fine!"  Then when he and Michonne started making eyes (or rather she was looking at his beautiful eyes and he was looking at her beautiful butt), I was like "Girl you better get with that!"

I love Rick - as in the love, but not in love, way.  I do think he is a very attractive man though.  But my "type" is Shane.  It's more a personality preference than looks.  Men like Shane don't scare me - trust me, my temper is WAY worse.  I just never saw the supervillain that everybody else saw.

[Timetoread]

On ‎11‎/‎21‎/‎2016 at 9:54 AM, jvr said:

Rick seems so scared of what she might think of him (as a man, as a leader) and I like that she is giving him indications that they are ok (not letting him be timid with that cheek goodbye kiss). It's interesting to me that Rick would think she wouldn't want to be with him anymore, it might reveal a little of what he thinks she likes in him (strong, confident, leader...things he is lacking now). I think Michonne is drawn to family man Rick above all else, how much he loves his kids (imo). 

 

This whole post was so beautiful.  I'm sitting here squee-ing like it makes some damn sense - and it doesn't.  But to this point, I think Rick has a lot of insecurities about not being "man enough".  I think he believes that Lori preferred Shane because Shane was more "butch" and made her feel safe.  Indeed this was the very reason Shane gave for wanting to kill him - he wasn't man enough to protect Lori and Carl.  It is the way he feels about himself but it is not how others see him.  Those who remember the butchness of Shane remember that it was Rick who took him out.  It is Rick who has taken out the bulk of the baddies they've encountered.  But as you said, it isn't this that attracts Michonne, it is WHY he takes out the bad guys with such ferocity - love for his kids, love for his friends, love in general.  Underneath uncertainty, bipolarity, and full cray, Rick's moral core is solid and he is a quintessential good man.  This is why Michonne is not giving up on him - even when he errs he does so on the side of love.

Also, this scene reaffirmed something I noted a while ago about why Michonne is so good for Rick.  Nobody else ever, I mean EVER, gives him comfort.  I think the group either loves or respects him, but on a level they don't admit to, they fear him too.  What he is capable of (what they've seen him do) seems to always be in the back of their minds.  They've seen him break too but they still keep a distance from him.  They don't hug him or pat him on the shoulder.  When he is uncertain, they give him space to sort it out.  ONLY Michonne, before and after their coupledom, walks straight up to Rick and deals with how he FEELS.  Right now, Rick is scared.  He is so sad.  He is unsure about what to do next.  He is unsure he can win in the end.  Michonne understands all of that.  She disagrees with his plan of action but she feels all those things as well.  But the cincher was when he leaned in for the saddest and driest of cheek kisses - he was unsure about her too, about THEM.  So my girl let him know, that was one uncertainty he didn't have to carry around.  She's all in and he can die knowing he is loved. 

On ‎11‎/‎21‎/‎2016 at 11:58 AM, DearEvette said:

2 - I love that they are following through on the Maggie/Sasha connection that began when Maggie reached out to Sasha after Tyreese's death.  They had a connection with losing the primary male family member and now both women are connected by losing their men in the same way.  I hope this relationships is nurtured

Actually Sasha and Maggie bonded on the road after the prison.  It was those two with Bob.  Afterwards, Sasha lost Bob and Ty in the span of about a week.  Maggie'd lost her father and her sister in a not huge gap of time as well.  They further bonded understanding EXACTLY how the other was feeling.  What is interesting is I think the very presence of the other is going to be key in getting through the double murders of their significant others, once again knowing EXACTLY how the other is feeling.

On ‎11‎/‎21‎/‎2016 at 4:45 PM, ByTor said:

I thought the seeds were being planted for Jesus/Sasha, I didn't really see any kind of tension with Maggie, but who the hell knows, it's anybody's guess.

For the record, I think Spencer's quite hot!

I don't know if they are planting seeds, but I did notice a definite chemistry between the two actors.  Even on Talking Dead the actor was very animated talking about Sonequa.  I'm not implying anything sexual or romantic (she's married and her husband is from Alexandria), just that maybe on a visceral level, he simply likes her and it comes out in his acting.  Spencer, OTOH, is the opposite of hot to me.  I'd take ANYONE over Spencer - including Eugene.

Edited November 23, 2016 by Timetoread

[kia112]

1 hour ago, Timetoread said:

This whole post was so beautiful.  I'm sitting here squee-ing like it makes some damn sense - and it doesn't.  But to this point, I think Rick has a lot of insecurities about not being "man enough".  I think he believes that Lori preferred Shane because Shane was more "butch" and made her feel safe.  Indeed this was the very reason Shane gave for wanting to kill him - he wasn't man enough to protect Lori and Carl.  It is the way he feels about himself but it is not how others see him.  Those who remember the butchness of Shane remember that it was Rick who took him out.  It is Rick who has taken out the bulk of the baddies they've encountered.  But as you said, it isn't this that attracts Michonne, it is WHY he takes out the bad guys with such ferocity - love for his kids, love for his friends, love in general.  Underneath uncertainty, bipolarity, and full cray, Rick's moral core is solid and he is a quintessential good man.  This is why Michonne is not giving up on him - even when he errs he does so on the side of love.

Also, this scene reaffirmed something I noted a while ago about why Michonne is so good for Rick.  Nobody else ever, I mean EVER, gives him comfort.  I think the group either loves or respects him, but on a level they don't admit to, they fear him too.  What he is capable of (what they've seen him do) seems to always be in the back of their minds.  They've seen him break too but they still keep a distance from him.  They don't hug him or pat him on the shoulder.  When he is uncertain, they give him space to sort it out.  ONLY Michonne, before and after their coupledom, walks straight up to Rick and deals with how he FEELS.  Right now, Rick is scared.  He is so sad.  He is unsure about what to do next.  He is unsure he can win in the end.  Michonne understands all of that.  She disagrees with his plan of action but she feels all those things as well.  But the cincher was when he leaned in for the saddest and driest of cheek kisses - he was unsure about her too, about THEM.  So my girl let him know, that was one uncertainty he didn't have to carry around.  She's all in and he can die knowing he is loved. 

Sigh... First of all, I can't. Posts like this...I feel like they punch me right in the gut. In a good way. Second, in my side hustle, I've been gushing about these two for awhile and mostly it deals with how happy I am for these characters that they are with people who understand them at their core so well, and care for the other so deeply. He's hurting, she knows, and she's saving him.

 

Side note, I don't know if I ever thought Eugene was cute, but I've been here for Josh McDermitt for awhile. Initially, I was on the end when we started taking these selfies, then I was like, "Wait! I need to be closer!"

 

[Timetoread]

Love it!!  Josh seems like fun.

Re Richonne I also love how adult this relationship is.  Yes they are lovers, they share a bed.  But they are also parents and the town's leaders and chief fighters.  They have stuff to do.  But there's passion there and it is quite lovely to see small moments like this.  They pack a punch.

[Ohwell]

On 11/21/2016 at 9:54 AM, jvr said:

It's interesting how quickly this thread turned into a 'who would you fuck?'

I don't think this has been show to be the case at all re Rick (at all). I don't see how that dumbass Jesse storyline (we can all agree on that) has to mean bad things for the Michonne and Rick relationship. Pre-Jesse they had not been in a romantic relationship... they had a solid working partnership, friendship, and some nice sexual tension from time to time. If they had had a prior romantic relationship before Jesse happened I might feel the same but they didn't, he didn't drop her for anyone. I feel he was far too loyal to Lori to be honest.

Also I don't think Rick lost his mind when he laid eyes on Jesse...He had already lost his mind before getting to Alexandria, he was a paranoid nutjob and wouldn't even consider going to a possible safe haven without Michonne pushing him. And his nutjob paranoia didn't disappear once they got to Alexandria, I think it got worse. He was quick to start planning a damn hostile takeover of the town. I think it was interesting that the minute they got to Alexandria he started avoiding Michonne, he knew she wanted this place so much and he was going to fuck it up for her lol. He started lying to her and paling around with sneaky ass Carol (who was feeding into his paranoia) and Daryl. But, he revealed more about what he thought of Michonne in those actions, he said so himself when he came clean...he was scared (knew) she could change his mind, he was scared of what she would think, and he didn't want to disappoint her. 

Most of all I think Rick only pursued Jesse because she was obviously interested in him and he couldn't read Michonne, we see later on that same season that Michonne didn't even know what she wanted (make up your mind girl)! I'm sure he was uncertain (maybe afraid) of trying something there with no indications of how it would go and possibly ruining a good thing in the process. After Michonne figured shit out in her head it became clearer to Rick it was a possibility (their relationship pretty much started an ep or two after she decided what she wanted). I think Rick also liked the idea of saving Jesse (from her husband, from the zombies), she was someone that needed help (and Michonne doesn't..I think she does though but in not obvious ways) and that also fed into his crazy mind. Maybe trying to recreate a Lori situation, someone who needed him. I feel Rick was always there for the taking (when he wasn't being insane), Michonne just had to show she wanted it.

Anyway that story was stupid (mostly cause Jesse and her family were stupid) and with better writing might have conveyed more of what was going on in all three peoples minds but as you can see I make it work for me storyline-wise. I won't let it cast doubt on this next phase of their lives.

This past ep was light on Michonne and Rick but I love that so far this season Michonne has not been afraid to say what she feels in opposition to Rick's ideas. They are not on the same page but are trying to be there for each other. Rick is obviously broken mentally and Michonne is trying not to become that lone wolf again, thinking only of herself. Someone else mentioned that this is not a good environment for starting a new relationship, that is definitely an understatement, it could be very easy for both of them to give up or blame each other. 

The one moment this ep was really nice, showing that Michonne still is not sure of Ricks course of action but she is still with him, is not giving up on him or this relationship, and is trying to build his confidence back. Rick seems so scared of what she might think of him (as a man, as a leader) and I like that she is giving him indications that they are ok (not letting him be timid with that cheek goodbye kiss). It's interesting to me that Rick would think she wouldn't want to be with him anymore, it might reveal a little of what he thinks she likes in him (strong, confident, leader...things he is lacking now). I think Michonne is drawn to family man Rick above all else, how much he loves his kids (imo). I also like that soft spoken Michonne is shown as assertive with him, but also kind of shy...it fits. Anyway, a short but intense scene, conveyed a lot (to me). A lot of their scenes are intense to the point of uncomfortable sometimes lol. I liked in the previous ep that Michonne almost left the bedroom (left Rick there) but turned around and came back, she is absolutely trying with him, and not letting doubt creep into his mind regarding them. So far so good.

 

Ah, ok.  Twu wuv then.

Edited November 23, 2016 by Ohwell

[Ohwell]

Also, Michonne may have forgotten, but I haven't forgotten that Rick was prepared to give her ass up to the Governor to be raped, tortured and then killed.  Frankly, I don't even see how she can look at him, much less sleep with him.  Twu wuv, indeed. Screw him.

And I still can't forget that the two of them and Carl just drove by that poor hitchhiker.  So, screw all of them.  LOL  

Edited November 24, 2016 by Ohwell
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[jvr]

2 hours ago, Ohwell said:

Ah, ok.  Twu wuv then.

(Disclaimer:  Honestly, I'm not too invested since this is just a tv show.)

 

O K...I guess there is no reason to respond to any of the above since you're not invested in this tv show (and what I say won't matter to you)...I mean we all know it's just a tv show, we got it, promise. I'm just here to discuss in depth what I see and interpret from the content on screen (beyond 'Twu Wuv' responses). I was just waking through my sense of the Jessie situation from what was shown (and character history), I'm down to read differing opinions backed by real content and history of the characters on screen... but ohwell.

@Timetoread You reminded me of some good Maggie/Sasha moments and how much history they share.. this show has so many characters that relationships get dropped so often because of lack of time to show it all. It's easy to forget some of the really great bonding moments between characters when they don't get to interact again for seasons at a time. I'm happy someone on the writing staff remembered those moments and that they should be there for each other. I might go back and watch a few eps around that time, I've been doing some skimming of parts of seasons I really enjoyed.

I also liked you bringing Ricks insecurities back to the Shane situation. I hadn't thought of that at all, I guess I tend to think about how Rick felt about Lori and forget to think about how he felt about Shane, the type of man Shane was and how that may have made Rick feel.

[Ohwell]

31 minutes ago, jvr said:

O K...I guess there is no reason to respond to any of the above since you're not invested in this tv show (and what I say won't matter to you)...I mean we all know it's just a tv show, we got it, promise. I'm just here to discuss in depth what I see and interpret from the content on screen (beyond 'Twu Wuv' responses). I was just waking through my sense of the Jessie situation from what was shown (and character history), I'm down to read differing opinions backed by real content and history of the characters on screen... but ohwell.

I responded because you initially quoted me.  But yeah, I guess I can't get too het up about this stuff.

Edited November 24, 2016 by Ohwell

[mightysparrow]

17 hours ago, Ohwell said:

Also, Michonne may have forgotten, but I haven't forgotten that Rick was prepared to give her ass up to the Governor to be raped, tortured and then killed.  Frankly, I don't even see how she can look at him, much less sleep with him.  Twu wuv, indeed. Screw him.

And I still can't forget that the two of them and Carl just drove by that poor hitchhiker.  So, screw all of them.  LOL  

THANK YOU!

It's all very nice to read how supportive Michonne is of Rick but what the flying fuck has Rick done for Michonne, other than supplying her with a couple of kids she can 'replace' her dead baby with?

The relationship between Rick and Mihconne is so one-way, it makes me sick.  Has Rick EVER asked Michonne how she was doing or how she was feeling?  From what I've seen, Carl is the Grimes male that Michonne should be having a relationship with.  Carl understands Michonne, can read her like a book and actually gives a damn about what happens to her.   Danai clearly stated that it was CARL that made Michonne open to a relationship with his father.  It was nothing that Rick did because Rick has been an asshole for ages.  Rick's sob story apropos of absolutely nothing about Shane being Judith's father was one more way that he's avoided taking responsibility for bringing the wrath of Negan down on his family and friends.  Michonne asked him if he knew which one of the dead was Negan and he brushed her off. 

Now, instead of being able to concentrate on getting their community back together, Michonne is stuck having to 'comfort' Rick.  I thought that kiss was her way of reminding him that he's a grown ass man.  I also got the feeling that there might have been a little 'thanks for the memories' in the kiss because Michonne was off to handle her own business.

I wouldn't be surprised if it turns out that Michonne is on her way to kill Negan.  She'll probably run into Carl and Jesus and together they'll bust out Daryl.  Then Rick can be reunited with his one twue wuv.

[jvr]

49 minutes ago, mightysparrow said:

Has Rick EVER asked Michonne how she was doing or how she was feeling?

Is this a real question because yes, he has. Off the top of my head he asked her if she was ok after he completely did a 180 and decided they would go to Alexandria (because she wanted to). I can probably find some other times too.

I sometimes wonder if others would have spoken up in that barn and been like, dude...I think I want to see this place this random guy is talking about or were they all too scared of Rick in the moment to oppose him. Maybe Daryl might have said something at some point (I know he made a sarcastic comment about the smell in the barn but that was after Michonne kept pushing)... can't remember wtf Carol was doing in this moment. 

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Now, instead of being able to concentrate on getting their community back together, Michonne is stuck having to 'comfort' Rick. ... I wouldn't be surprised if it turns out that Michonne is on her way to kill Negan.  She'll probably run into Carl and Jesus and together they'll bust out Daryl.  Then Rick can be reunited with his one twue wuv. 

I don't think Michonne would be very interested in this to be honest (concentrating on the community), she is worried about Negan above all else. And besides Rick and the kids, the people she probably really cares about are dead or at other camps. And I doubt she is going after Negan on her own, those days of running after the Governor by herself are long gone and I'm happy for that. She has grown as a person and isn't stuck in this place that some people want her to stay forever (silent, by herself, barely connecting with others). Carl's actions aren't to be applauded (he should get killed to be honest) and I wouldn't applaud Michonne doing it either, they are fucked right now because people kept running off forcing others to follow.

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Danai clearly stated that it was CARL that made Michonne open to a relationship with his father.

I don't see this as a negative at all. Carl and Judith are what made Michonne trust Rick, made her go and find him after the prison fell and not just wander off and die alone. Like it or not, Michonnes backstory is about the child she lost because the men in her life were worthless and didn't keep fighting for them. Some people want to see her as this machine warrior and anything else pisses them off but what we have gotten (I need mooooore!) is she is how she is because of her child. I hope this plays into how Michonne reacts to Ricks behavior right now (giving up). Man that would be good!

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The sad part is that a valuable warrior like Michonne has been reduced to playing Mammy not only to Rick's kids but now to Rick himself.  From the look on Michonne's face, Rick clearly isn't a 'badass' between the sheets.

Looked pretty damn good between the sheets pre-Negan. I actually loved that contrast between how we saw them in bed before Negan killed Rick's mojo. I think we started the ep (maybe 2 eps) with them right? In bed together. They were all over each other, euphoric as hell. Then this past ep we lower in on them and they are on opposite extremes of the bed, ugh, I'm sure no sexiness has been going on since that Negan head bashing (understandable). Neither one can be thinking of such things less than a week after being on their knees, trauma on max levels, anxiety on high alert. It will be interesting to see how they both start to recover from what they experienced and how that plays into their affection with each other. Can't wait!

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I also got the feeling that there might have been a little 'thanks for the memories' in the kiss because Michonne was off to handle her own business.

hahahaha ..holy shit. These two are acting the shit out of this moment, the intensity of that kiss and look after was anything but a thanks, peace out! 

Does anyone in here want to in-depth break down Rick and Michonne pre-knowing each other and the Governor interactions. It would be interesting now that they have been through so much together and are now together-together. It might be going too far back for some and others probably wont care for the analysis since their minds are already made up. I don't mind typing out long responses even if I get obnoxious twu wuv responses instead of real analysis rebuttals.

Edited November 24, 2016 by jvr

[mightysparrow]

36 minutes ago, jvr said:

Is this a real question because yes, he has. Off the top of my head he asked her if she was ok after he completely did a 180 and decided they would go to Alexandria (because she wanted to). I can probably find some other times too.

I sometimes wonder if others would have spoken up in that barn and been like, dude...I think I want to see this place this random guy is talking about or were they all too scared of Rick in the moment to oppose him. Maybe Daryl might have said something at some point (I know he made a sarcastic comment about the smell in the barn but that was after Michonne kept pushing)... can't remember wtf Carol was doing in this moment. 

I don't think Michonne would be very interested in this to be honest (concentrating on the community), she is worried about Negan above all else. And besides Rick and the kids, the people she probably really cares about are dead or at other camps. And I doubt she is going after Negan on her own, those days of running after the Governor by herself are long gone and I'm happy for that. She has grown as a person and isn't stuck in this place that some people want her to stay forever (silent, by herself, barely connecting with others). Carl's actions aren't to be applauded (he should get killed to be honest) and I wouldn't applaud Michonne doing it either, they are fucked right now because people kept running off forcing others to follow.

I don't see this as a negative at all. Carl and Judith are what made Michonne trust Rick, made her go and find him after the prison fell and not just wander off and die alone. Like it or not, Michonnes backstory is about the child she lost because the men in her life were worthless and didn't keep fighting for them. Some people want to see her as this machine warrior and anything else pisses them off but what we have gotten (I need mooooore!) is she is how she is because of her child. I hope this plays into how Michonne reacts to Ricks behavior right now (giving up). Man that would be good!

Looked pretty damn good between the sheets pre-Negan. I actually loved that contrast between how we saw them in bed before Negan killed Rick's mojo. I think we started the ep (maybe 2 eps) with them right? In bed together. They were all over each other, euphoric as hell. Then this past ep we lower in on them and they are on opposite extremes of the bed, ugh, I'm sure no sexiness has been going on since that Negan head bashing (understandable). Neither one can be thinking of such things less than a week after being on their knees, trauma on max levels, anxiety on high alert. It will be interesting to see how they both start to recover from what they experienced and how that plays into their affection with each other. Can't wait!

hahahaha ..holy shit. These two are acting the shit out of this moment, the intensity of that kiss and look after was anything but a thanks, peace out! 

Does anyone in here want to in-depth break down Rick and Michonne pre-knowing each other and the Governor interactions. It would be interesting now that they have been through so much together and are now together-together. It might be going too far back for some and others probably wont care for the analysis since their minds are already made up. I don't mind typing out long responses even if I get obnoxious twu wuv responses instead of real analysis rebuttals.

A long analysis is great but you don't need to go to all that trouble on my account.  I've heard it before and I just don't buy it.

I never saw any chemistry between Rick and Michonne up until 10 seconds before they started kissing.  I know that the party line is that Gimple was planning the relationship since season 3, but what else is he going to say?  A lot of people thought that Rick and Michonne came out of the blue, especially since it happened one episode after Rick had been fawning over the woman he had been crazy about since he arrived in Alexandria.   So Gimple isn't going to say, 'yeah, I pulled it out of my ass to distract from the complete disaster Jessie/Rick became'.

I am frankly so tired of the argument that those who don't like Rick and Michonne together want to condemn Michonne to a life of silence and solitude.  I called for Michonne to have a sex life practically from the moment she arrived on the scene.  And personally, I don't think that being a 'strong Black woman' is a bad thing.  I'm a strong Black woman and my dance card is always full.  What I don't believe, never have and probably never will is that Rick Grimes is good enough for Michonne.  I think Michonne is the best thing that could ever have happened to a man like Rick but I don't believe he has a thing to offer her that she couldn't get from far better men than Rick.  And from a man with an actual behind.

Maybe it's because I just don't believe that being with a White man is the ultimate 'prize' for a Black woman, especially a dark-skinned Black woman.  Being with Rick doesn't mean that Michonne is attractive or desirable,.  Michonne is one of the most attractive women on the show, if not on all of tv.  She didn't need Rick to define her as a woman.  Sometimes it hurts my heart to think that,  after all Black women have endured in fiction AND in real life, being with a selfish, violent, psycho asshole is considered a step forward.

Once again, thanks for the offer, but I don't buy it.  I think Rick is so far beneath Michonne he's practically subterranean.  I pray that she comes to her senses and finds a man who will give, not just take.  I thought that little scene between Michonne and Father Gabriel was quite intriguing and if Morgan could free himself from Carol's tentacles, he and Michonne would set our tvs on fire.

Edited November 24, 2016 by mightysparrow

[Ohwell]

46 minutes ago, mightysparrow said:

I think Michonne is the best thing that could ever have happened to a man like Rick but I don't believe he has a thing to offer her that she couldn't get from far better men than Rick.  And from a man with an actual behind.

Yaaaas!

[mightysparrow]

3 minutes ago, Ohwell said:

Yaaaas!

That shot of when Rick and Michonne jumped out of bed...I didn't know whether to laugh or cry.

[Ohwell]

5 minutes ago, mightysparrow said:

That shot of when Rick and Michonne jumped out of bed...I didn't know whether to laugh or cry.

I just shook my head.

Even though I've been shipping Morgan and Michonne for ages (fuck Carol, and I've already "claimed" Father Gabriel), it's not that I'm against Michonne having an interracial relationship.  It's just that it's Rick.  Hell, I could have even understood it if she and Merle had gotten together because he talked Rick out of giving her up to the Governor, or he let Rick think he took her to the Governor.  I don't remember exactly how that went down, but I think Merle "saved" her.  Right?

[mightysparrow]

1 minute ago, Ohwell said:

I just shook my head.

Even though I've been shipping Morgan and Michonne for ages (fuck Carol, and I've already "claimed" Father Gabriel), it's not that I'm against Michonne having an interracial relationship.  It's just that it's Rick.  Hell, I could have even understood it if she and Merle had gotten together because he talked Rick out of giving her up to the Governor, or he let Rick think he took her to the Governor.  I don't remember exactly how that went down, but I think Merle "saved" her.  Right?

 

I don't have a problem with interracial relationships either; I've been in several.  But I do have a problem with my favourite character being involved with an asshole.

As for Merle, I think Michonne saved herself because she talked Merle into letting her go, but Merle did think that turning her over to the Governor was fucked up.  He actually warned Michonnne about Rick.  When someone like Merle Dixon thinks you're a cold son of a bitch, you are a COLD SON OF A BITCH.   The chemistry between Michonne and Merle was pretty hot (even though Merle was a racist, murderous psycho) but I think that's the case with whoever Danai acts with.  People thought Andrea and Michonne were lovers because Danai and Laurie had such good chemistry.  And I once saw Michael Rooker following Danai, carrying her purse, so Danai clearly has an effect on people.  My brother STILL hasn't recovered!

My objection to Rick and Michonne is also because it's Rick.  And the old 'Black woman can't have anything' song that folks sing anytime someone criticizes Richonne is just tired.  This Black woman thinks Michonne deserves better!

[Ohwell]

Yeah, this Black woman thinks she deserves better, too.   

[kia112]

4 hours ago, jvr said:

Does anyone in here want to in-depth break down Rick and Michonne pre-knowing each other and the Governor interactions. It would be interesting now that they have been through so much together and are now together-together. It might be going too far back for some and others probably wont care for the analysis since their minds are already made up.

You know I'm ready for it!

[kia112]

5 hours ago, jvr said:

6 hours ago, mightysparrow said:

Has Rick EVER asked Michonne how she was doing or how she was feeling?

Is this a real question because yes, he has. Off the top of my head he asked her if she was ok after he completely did a 180 and decided they would go to Alexandria (because she wanted to).

Also, "Are you OK?" from the season 4 finale. Also, asking her how she felt about Alexandria that night when they were both up. Also, noticing she was upset when they were at Noah's place and telling her they'd figure it out. Also, asking her how she felt about the plan to kill the Saviors. Also, asking her what was wrong after they executed the Saviors plan after noticing that she had a look. Also, asking her about her missing sword (which was meant to be a probing "what are you thinking" question).

Edited November 24, 2016 by kia112

[AngelaHunter]

9 hours ago, mightysparrow said:

The relationship between Rick and Mihconne is so one-way, it makes me sick.  Has Rick EVER asked Michonne how she was doing or how she was feeling?

She reminds me of these desperate women on court shows who will put up with anything to keep a man around. Rick would have stepped on her face to get to Jessie but turns to her as an "Any port in a storm" when he's run out of options to get laid. Her choice to go along with that, though.

[Nashville]

Hell, I'm just glad SOMEBODY is getting laid.

[kia112]

20 hours ago, mightysparrow said:

I never saw any chemistry between Rick and Michonne up until 10 seconds before they started kissing.  I know that the party line is that Gimple was planning the relationship since season 3, but what else is he going to say?  A lot of people thought that Rick and Michonne came out of the blue, especially since it happened one episode after Rick had been fawning over the woman he had been crazy about since he arrived in Alexandria.   So Gimple isn't going to say, 'yeah, I pulled it out of my ass to distract from the complete disaster Jessie/Rick became'.

Well...chemistry is certainly subjective, so I don't doubt that you didn't see it. However, many people saw it beginning at the end of season 3, including me. So much so that the question about the characters' relationship potential began popping up during Q&A panels right after that and continued through the relationship becoming canon. Both Andrew and Danai have said multiple times that it was among the top questions anyone would ask them when they saw them out and about. Then when you add in the fact that many of the episodes where people point to seeing an especially strong connection between Rick and Michonne were written by Gimple, a lot of people also thought that Jessie came out of the blue, Jessie's character died in the exact same timeframe and the exact same manner as her comic counterpart, the showrunner and writers start outlining the next season so far in advance (like, around the beginning of the year) that they wouldn't have time to see how people responded to Rick and Jessie before they started outlining and writing season 6 and by the time we saw Rick and Jessie finally kiss in the garage, they'd already completed filming the season and it seems more and more likely that Gimple was just telling the truth when he said that. Now, was it executed well? Also up for debate, but I didn't particularly enjoy the execution of the Jessie piece, and while it was clear to me that some significant time had passed in-universe, though it had only been one episode between Jessie dying and Rick and Michonne, it's understandable that others would think it's jarring. I think pacing is a TWD problem in general, though. The mid-season premiere would have worked much better as the finale and then we could come back to "The Next World" with exactly the same amount of time passing for us as it did for the characters, but that's a discussion for another time.

[jvr]

Does being a black woman mean that someones opinion of Michonne (and who she is with) is more valid? I don't understand why this needs to be stated. This comment right here made me pause:

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Maybe it's because I just don't believe that being with a White man is the ultimate 'prize' for a Black woman, especially a dark-skinned Black woman.  Being with Rick doesn't mean that Michonne is attractive or desirable,. 

Like what? Who the fuck is saying this...like what? What does that have to do with this storyline? I guess this is something you are seeing on screen (or experiencing/reading/think is happening in real life re this story)...did I miss a lot of shit shown on screen? That's a lot of implying going on (towards people who like the relationship I'm guessing), I mean if that is the baggage you are putting on this relationship (or anyone who likes it) there is nothing I can say. 

Anyway, I keep making direct comments (and others too) to statements being made and no one re-ups on what I say stating I'm incorrect (please do) with scenes or things that have happened (not interpretation, but whether something happened at all). I'm open to other interpretations of key moments, I'm not closed minded, but something either happened or it didn't.

I don't think Rick is perfect, I don't think he is even that great of a leader (but he is what they have)...but I also don't think he is a horrible person with no redeemable qualities that someone like Michonne wouldn't find attractive or desirable. I mean everything doesn't have to be to extremes. I also don't think Michonne is perfect or that she deserves better quite honest, she isn't a fully drawn out character for me...I have lots of tiny tiny pieces that I can form a picture with but there are holes...whether the writers care to fill those holes... I'm hopeful.

9 hours ago, Nashville said:

Hell, I'm just glad SOMEBODY is getting laid.

We can imagine that most people not in Ricks group have to be spending their time doing something other than twiddling their thumbs. Those Alexandria's (what's left of them) have a lot of damn free time. Aaron's boyfriend (Eric?) is not dead (yet) right? Let's hope they are having lots of fun (that we won't ever see). Aaron actually has been spending a lot of time in Rick's group getting in trouble though, he probably isn't getting any either now. I need to take a look at that little townhall Rick put together when they were looking for those guns, were there many women there? I get the impression it was a lot of men but that might be because the camera lingered on the men.

Next ep is going to be back at the Kingdom I'm assuming (sigh, this season is painful), maybe we will see Carol get some from Ezekiel (don't have an opinion on that but I may once I see more), that would be interesting but even if it happens I have a feeling (which I may be wrong), that we wont see much of that either. Maybe heavily implied. 

16 hours ago, kia112 said:

You know I'm ready for it!

lol, oh gosh... I feel like I volunteered for something. I was only able to talk about that Jesse storyline in detail because I had just watched some of that season on Netflix. I can go back though and watch and talk about Rick's usual craziness (I like insane Rick lol) and Michonne when she barely spoke and we didn't know anything about her. 

20 hours ago, Ohwell said:

Even though I've been shipping Morgan and Michonne for ages (fuck Carol, and I've already "claimed" Father Gabriel)

I would not like to see Michonne with milk toast boring Gabriel. A man in a priest uniform is creepy (only thing I agreed with Negan about so far). Has he ever even had sex in his life? Can he even have sex? I'm not googling this shit lol. No one got time to teach people in the apocalypse. And Morgan would probably get her killed by allowing some murdering rapist go free because all life is precious (gag me). Give me insane ripping people's throats out Rick any day in this world.

[Ocean Chick]

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Both Andrew and Danai have said multiple times that it was among the top questions anyone would ask them when they saw them out and about.

Both NR and MMB get asked about Carol and Daryl getting together all the time - do you also believe that they're going to be a couple?  ;)  Personally, I could tell by the written narrative that Rick and Michonne would end up together, but I've never seen any special chemistry between the actors.  I, too, think Michonne could do better.  Frankly, the two of them together bore me, and I find myself doing other stuff during their scenes together. 

And I don't think MightySparrow will have to pry Carol's tentacles from Morgan - I've seen nothing to indicate that she has any feelings for him other than irritation, and maybe a small grain of respect, now that he seems to be giving up his "all life is precious" delusions.  There's too much water under that bridge for Carol to find Morgan sexually attractive, IMO.

[AngelaHunter]

15 minutes ago, jvr said:

Has he ever even had sex in his life? Can he even have sex?

I googled it for you! I know nothing about religion so was curious. Seems FatherG is an Episcopalian priest and they have no restrictions on marrying.

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 I could tell by the written narrative that Rick and Michonne would end up together, but I've never seen any special chemistry between the actors.

I, personally, have never even seen Rick even look at her any differently than he looked at the men in the group, not until Jessie died and he needed somewhere to work off all that built-up sexual frustration.

Edited November 25, 2016 by AngelaHunter

[mightysparrow]

30 minutes ago, AngelaHunter said:

I googled it for you! I know nothing about religion so was curious. Seems FatherG is an Episcopalian priest and they have no restrictions on marrying.

I, personally, have never even seen Rick even look at her any differently than he looked at the men in the group, not until Jessie died and he needed somewhere to work off all that built-up sexual frustration.

Rick looked at Michonne's ass a couple of times but EVERYBODY looked at Michonne's ass.  Daryl did.  Merle, Hershel, the Governor, they all took a peek.  I don't think this meant anything more that Rick had eyes.  I never saw ANY indication that Rick was interested in Michonne and I definitely didn't see any indication that Michonne was interested in Rick.  Michonne showed more interest in Daryl (and Daryl returned that interest) but that was snuffed out when Caryl fans started getting riled up.

I agree with @Ocean Chick that just because fans asked about Rick and Michonne doesn't mean that there was anything there.  I have never seen any sign of a Carol/Daryl romantic relationship.  In fact, Carol actually HAD a romantic relationship with somebody else.  Yet there have been 'fan wars' (including actual threats of violence) whenever another  partner is suggested for Daryl.  Unfortunately, I've seen a similar type of response to anyone who dares to criticize Richonne

[kia112]

51 minutes ago, Ocean Chick said:

Both NR and MMB get asked about Carol and Daryl getting together all the time - do you also believe that they're going to be a couple?  ;)

And I don't think MightySparrow will have to pry Carol's tentacles from Morgan - I've seen nothing to indicate that she has any feelings for him other than irritation, and maybe a small grain of respect, now that he seems to be giving up his "all life is precious" delusions.  There's too much water under that bridge for Carol to find Morgan sexually attractive, IMO.

I don't...but if they did, I don't think it would make the most sense to say it came out of nowhere if it's the top question the actors get. :-)

I could see Morgan maybe carrying something for Carol (I mean, he did break his no murder rule for her), but Carol for him? No way.

Edited November 25, 2016 by kia112

[mightysparrow]

49 minutes ago, Ocean Chick said:

And I don't think MightySparrow will have to pry Carol's tentacles from Morgan - I've seen nothing to indicate that she has any feelings for him other than irritation, and maybe a small grain of respect, now that he seems to be giving up his "all life is precious" delusions.  There's too much water under that bridge for Carol to find Morgan sexually attractive, IMO.

I hope you're right. Miss Carol didn't have a problem with Morgan pushing her around in a ZA version of 'Driving Miss Daisy', which I thought was extremely civilized of him considering that whole 'Carol tried to murder him' thing.   History has proven that Carol is as dangerous as sickle cell anemia to Black men.  Luckily Ezekiel has Shiva.

[mightysparrow]

14 hours ago, AngelaHunter said:

She reminds me of these desperate women on court shows who will put up with anything to keep a man around. Rick would have stepped on her face to get to Jessie but turns to her as an "Any port in a storm" when he's run out of options to get laid. Her choice to go along with that, though.

I don't see Michonne as 'desperate'.   I see her as 'settling' and it doesn't make any damn sense to me. 

[DearEvette]

I like Rick and Michonne just fine.  Not from any '...as a black woman' perspective, but just from the narrative perspective of the story.  I don't inherently see Rick as not worthy of Michonne or anything. 

For me, they are a match.  Mainly because of all the main characters, I see her in an Alpha female role and Rick is undoubtedly the alpha  male in their group.  And there is something comforting about having the two of them boo'd up and knowing that the potential for them to be a formidable pair is there. The building blocks have been laid.

I do know that we've got to go on Rick's journey much longer with him and have seen much more of his inner life and his flaws are writ large. He has been thrust, sometimes unwillingly, into the role of leader in a time that that role requires some brutal almost inhuman decisions.  His decision to give up Michonne to the Governor was one of them.  And yeah, she is a 'hero' character and that decision was  not popular, but it can't be read as some commentary of the worthiness of his feelings for her because at the time he was still on the fence about her being one of them.  And they'd had their asses handed to them by the Governor and Rick was all about negotiating and trying to save everybody.  Even so he backed away from doing it, not willing to go through with it after all.

Michonne, otoh, has been portrayed as incredibly enigmatic, almost unknowable.  In this we have a lot more leeway in ascribing virtues that haven't necessarily been shown on screen as canon. In some ways she is not as complete a character as Rick.  But the storytelling has opened her up in the last two seasons with her relationship with Carl and now Rick so it could be argued that that relationship has been beneficial from a character progression standpoint. The Rick who stood worriedly at the gate with Abraham in the first half of season waiting anxiously for her return isn't the same Rick who wanted to give her up to the Gov and isn't, imo, even the same Rick who came to Alexandria. I think both characters are the richer for it.