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KirkB

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I find DD to be a fairly typical comic book villain, which is not necessarily a bad thing just not really that special, but it's Neal McDonough's performance that is really drawing me in. He is clearly enjoying himself and that usually makes it so much better for me.

 

That said, we knew what Malcolm, Slade and Ra's (sort of) intended to do fairly quickly. Their motivation, regardless of whether it actually made sense or not, was pretty straight forward. Nearly half a season in and we don't really know what Damien is doing or why, other than this brief mention of wanting to make the world a better place. Which is fine, so long as they don't draw it out too long and assuming THEY actually know.

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Soulfire
Soulfire

Happy GIF time!                                         Obligatory I have no shame comment. 

KenyaJ
KenyaJ

I loved this episode so much.    A year from now, I’m still going to be laughing at Felicity calling Oliver “Chatty Cathy.” Best codename ever. LOL.   Also, I’d pay actual money to see Oliver and

EmeraldArcher
EmeraldArcher

I think Olicity was just experiencing relationship growing pains tonight, or at least Felicity was. She was the one who uttered the dreaded D-word* from S3 tonight, and she was the one who was inverti

Morrigan2575

Morrigan2575

I find DD to be a fairly typical comic book villain, which is not necessarily a bad thing just not really that special, but it's Neal McDonough's performance that is really drawing me in. He is clearly enjoying himself and that usually makes it so much better for me.

I agree with this, I think Neal McDonough's performance is why I'm enjoying DD so much.

That said, we knew what Malcolm, Slade and Ra's (sort of) intended to do fairly quickly. Their motivation, regardless of whether it actually made sense or not, was pretty straight forward. Nearly half a season in and we don't really know what Damien is doing or why, other than this brief mention of wanting to make the world a better place. Which is fine, so long as they don't draw it out too long and assuming THEY actually know.

My guess is the big reveal will come in the MSF that seems right up their alley. As of right now I'm actually fine with getting the pieces of the puzzle without the big picture. However, if it drags on much beyond MSF I will probably start to complain
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Sakura12

Sakura12

I think Neal McDonough is doing a great job making Damien entertaining to watch, I just don't find him very threatening as a villain. Slade and Malcolm had a bit more threat in them. Then Zoom on the Flash throwing Barry around like a rag doll showed me how much of a threat he is. I haven't seen that from DD yet. So far he's doing the typical comic villain gloating without actually doing anything evil. I need to see more than just clever one liners from the main villain. 

statsgirl

statsgirl

All my thanks to SA and EBR for how they sell the Olicity scenes.

 

That said, we knew what Malcolm, Slade and Ra's (sort of) intended to do fairly quickly. Their motivation, regardless of whether it actually made sense or not, was pretty straight forward. Nearly half a season in and we don't really know what Damien is doing or why, other than this brief mention of wanting to make the world a better place. Which is fine, so long as they don't draw it out too long and assuming THEY actually know.

I actually think we're ahead of schedule in terms of Slade and Malcolm. With Slade, we didn't know it was him or what he wanted until his monologue in 2x09 (I think that's the episode.) For Malcolm, while we knew he was a viliain earlier, it wasn't until The Undertaking (1x21) that we heard the plan.  When did we learn that Ra's wanted Oliver to replace him?

 

So while we don't know what Stage 3 is, DD is actually ahead of their schedule.

KirkB

KirkB

I think Neal McDonough is doing a great job making Damien entertaining to watch, I just don't find him very threatening as a villain. Slade and Malcolm had a bit more threat in them. Then Zoom on the Flash throwing Barry around like a rag doll showed me how much of a threat he is. I haven't seen that from DD yet. So far he's doing the typical comic villain gloating without actually doing anything evil. I need to see more than just clever one liners from the main villain.

 

 

This I agree with. While he is fun to watch DD doesn't really seem as intimidating as Slade, who had obvious physicality from the first moment we saw him, or Ra's who had the rep (which he didn't even remotely live up to but that is a whole other issue). He seems a Lex Luthor type only with magic, which could be an interesting match against Oliver. But so far all we have SEEN is he can deflect arrows and move chains.

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BkWurm1

BkWurm1

Can anyone tell me why Oliver and Felicity's 2 love scenes had them wearing all black?

Granted he was shirtless but...

I think the simple answer is black is a good color to wear when traveling to NP.  Felicity, when she goes out into the field, wears black.  So I think the first time, it's just what she was wearing. 

 

Now in this second scene, I think they dressed her in black very deliberately to better bring the visualization of the Yin Yang symbol that was their kiss to life.  They could have had Oliver in black and Felicity in white but I was much happier with letting his naked skin be the light color to contrast with the black outfit she wore. 

 

Interestingly, the Yin symbol with translates to "shady or dark side of a hill" and is represented by the black swirl is typically associated with the "female principle in nature" (whatever that means) while Yang which translates to "sunny or bright side of the hill" represented by the white swirl, would be then the "male principle in nature". 

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bijoux

bijoux

That love scene just keeps on giving! On rewatch, I also noticed that she hooks her left foot on his thigh. I'm not really sure why but it made me go "awww" and giggle. Plus the Vulture description of her climbing on top of Oliver like a "surfboard."

I just went to look for the foot. My latest thoughts were actually that Oliver is pretty brave to be hanging around shirtless with Donna there. She's not really one for privacy. Unless he whipped his shirt off when he heard her call out goodbye to Felicity and close the door on her way out.
SmallScreenDiva

SmallScreenDiva

I just went to look for the foot. My latest thoughts were actually that Oliver is pretty brave to be hanging around shirtless with Donna there. She's not really one for privacy. Unless he whipped his shirt off when he heard her call out goodbye to Felicity and close the door on her way out.

 

You can kind of see it here, before the GIF cuts off. I can't find one that's better lit :(

 

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romantic idiot

romantic idiot

This I agree with. While he is fun to watch DD doesn't really seem as intimidating as Slade, who had obvious physicality from the first moment we saw him, or Ra's who had the rep (which he didn't even remotely live up to but that is a whole other issue). He seems a Lex Luthor type only with magic, which could be an interesting match against Oliver. But so far all we have SEEN is he can deflect arrows and move chains.

 

And suck the life out of someone.

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lemotomato

lemotomato

I just went to look for the foot. My latest thoughts were actually that Oliver is pretty brave to be hanging around shirtless with Donna there. She's not really one for privacy. Unless he whipped his shirt off when he heard her call out goodbye to Felicity and close the door on her way out.

Tumblr to the rescue! (More gifs of the um, entire straddling sequence is slowed down, lightened, and zoomed in at the source post):

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kismet

kismet

Haha, I don't know. My gaze is firmly on the hip action and not much else. LOL.

 

On that note though, that was a perfect moment for an ass grab and SA failed us. He failed us all!

He already did the ass grab during the transition to straddle... he was going for a classic shoulder grab/rub.... We know he's a shoulders kinda guy too ;)

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BkWurm1

BkWurm1

We need to have an Arrow Christmas Dinner where Oliver invites his two ex girlfriends to his and his new girlfriends place, then his new girlfriend's mother invites the father of his two ex girlfriends. Awkward dinner party is awkward. 

Just so everyone is suffering in this scenario, lets say since he had no where else to go, Felicity has also invited Ray.  Let the pain begin!   

bijoux

bijoux

Just so everyone is suffering in this scenario, lets say since he had no where else to go, Felicity has also invited Ray.  Let the pain begin!   

 

LOL Although I honestly have to say that Lance and Donna possibly getting involved causes no discomfort for me as a viewer. At least not due to Oliver's prior relationships with Lance's daughters. Those feel really far removed, plus Lance met Felicity as a grownup, and Oliver and Felicity's relationship predates anything between Quentin and Donna. I get why it could be uncomfortable for the characters but it just isn't from me watching from the outside. And if they do go for discomfort, they better show someone being amused by this. Most likey Donna.

 

Any hesitation on my side is that I'm not sure that Quentin is worthy of the wonder that is Donna.

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statsgirl

statsgirl

That dinner can't be any more uncomfortable than Oliver's ex-girlfriend being a part of a team that both Oliver & Felicity work with everyday.

I dunno.... when they're doing Team Arrow stuff, they've focused on the mission so they can avoid awkward social gaffes.  At dinner, they would actually have to make small talk for extended periods of time.  Non-vigilante talk since Donna doesn't know about their night lives.

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morakot

morakot

We need to have an Arrow Christmas Dinner where Oliver invites his two ex girlfriends to his and his new girlfriends place, then his new girlfriend's mother invites the father of his two ex girlfriends. Awkward dinner party is awkward.

 

 

 

Just so everyone is suffering in this scenario, lets say since he had no where else to go, Felicity has also invited Ray.  Let the pain begin!

 

And then invite Malcolm for Thea....

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KirkB

KirkB

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For maximum awkwardness, have Oliver and Felicity host Thanksgiving. Thea is there, of course, along with Laurel and Sara. Ray too. Malcolm just shows up, and so does Nyssa. Donna arrives with Quentin on her arm. As everyone is about to sit down the doorbell rings. It's Helena and McKenna. And right behind them comes Oliver's old girlfriend from Central City, who wants to introduce him to someone....

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kismet

kismet

Well, if we're doing that, then Constantine can also bring back Shado and her father, Malcolm's wife, Nyssa's father, then Slade shows up with his sword and demands to carve the turkey.

I think we should save the island people for 2016, perhaps we'll have more people to invite then. Poppy might have a purpose. Plus isn't it usually a tradition to do an island themed episode in Jan/Feb?

morakot

morakot

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Well, if we're doing that, then Constantine can also bring back Shado and her father, Malcolm's wife, Nyssa's father, then Slade shows up with his sword and demands to carve the turkey.

 

To round it out, Constantine can bring back Ray's dead fiancée too.

 

Oliver will have cooked a pigturducken so there will be plenty of food.

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