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Michael's words reducing Carly to tears, and him wanting her gone from the Q mansion is a thing of beauty. Enjoyed him bringing up years spent in a coma due to gunshot to the head, in response to Carly saying he had a wonderful childhood. LOVED him signing the paperwork to change his name in front of Carly. She really thought he didn't truly want to relinquish Sonny's name/them as his parents? What a moron.

 

"You used my grieving grandmother to cover your ass....GET OUT!" Go Michael.

 

Tony Geary looks very old and sickly. Becky Herbst's waistline is scaring me ... for the umpteenth time. And the writers really want Elizabeth to seem desperate, lonely etc. re: Jake. 

 

Of course Helena credits only herself for coming back to life. God forbid Robin's scientific brilliance get a mention. NLG had a great "Ohhh shiiit" look upon coming face-to-face with Helena. 

 

WHY must Ron throw Anna under the bus with this writing?

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On what planet did Michael have a wonderful childhood? The amount of kidnappings, bodyguards, shootouts, being sent to the island for safety, he was always in danger and a target. Carly was ridiculous. 

 

Another thing, Michael did not get the last name Corinthos by Jason at his baptism. Does RC and FV not have a history book or clips to check facts before they write this nonsense?  

 

Michael, got the first name Michael after Sonny. But he had the last name Morgan, so Carly's baptism story was again ridiculous. The first name Michael had was Michael Morgan. He didn't get Corinthos until CarSon slept together and Jason left town, giving Michael to Sonny when CarSon married. Michael's not changing his first name, he's changing his surname and for the 3rd time. 

 

I really loved Michael telling Carly off for using Monica to cover her ass. 

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I wished that Michael would have asked Alice to escort Mrs. Cornithos out of the manse.

 

Oh, for those of us who remember that would have been perfect.

WHY must Ron throw Anna under the bus with this writing?

 

Because Obrecht is the true, more 'real' mature heroine of this show! Just like all his other broad, campy, crazy villains and antiheroes.

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Oh, good.  Now we've thrown Helena in to this Luke / Fake Luke/ Ashton / Jerry Jax / Faison / Patrick / Sam / Julian / Whoever Else mess.  I agree that it's probably going to end up being Bill Eckart, because a) he's the only person in all of GH history that hasn't been at least mentioned in this never-ending and convoluted story, and b) he does look exactly like Luke (although all of Port Charles, including Luke, seems to have forgotten about his doppelgänger).  This is all just dumb.  And TG is really not doing some of his best work here; do you think he's checked out and doesn't care, or do you think that *he* thinks he's doing a great job?

 

Carly, shut up.  Just.. Shut. Up.  Stop trying to justify all the horrible things you and Sonny have done during Michael's life.  Why in the world did you think that strolling in to the Q mansion to wish Michael Happy Thanksgiving was a good idea?  Did you forget about everything that just happened, and that he is absolutely furious with you?  And that you don't live there?

 

Loving Michael trashing his whole childhood and upbringing to Carly, and telling her "that's the kind of person you are".  I'm so pleased with Michael in this story. 

Which makes me especially scared of all of the "Jason saves the day!" anvils.  If they make Jake or Jason or whoever he is mend fences between Michael and Sonny & Carly, then this whole story will end up being dumb and terrible.

 

Apparently we have moved beyond HallowElection, and jumped straight to Thanksgiving.  Time moves so fast...​

 

Michael and Sam are finally going to spend time together!

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Of course Helena credits only herself for coming back to life. God forbid Robin's scientific brilliance get a mention. NLG had a great "Ohhh shiiit" look upon coming face-to-face with Helena. 

 

Robin bringing back the Cassadines and co. isn't common knowledge. Just Patrick and Sabrina know I think. I forget if Anna does too. In any case, Helena wouldn't want to bring attention to the fact that she knows it was Robin who brought her back because then people might start to get suspicious she has something to do with Robin's being gone so long probably.

 

The heck? Alexis, you want to alert the authorities or someone that Helena is wandering around?  That was such a weird scene. Let's all just chat casually after Helena comes out with a knife from a room with Luke in it.

 

I wish Michael, or anyone on the show, would ask Carly why she is obsessed with the concept of Sonny as Michaels One and Only Father. I mean, we know, but this is something that Michael should be all "no seriously what is up with that?"

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Happy friggin holidays, yet another boring day.

 

I can't care about these characters.

 

Michael's grandstanding won't amount to piss in a pot so whatever with his and Carly's scenes. He only signed those papers to stick it to Carly, how very adult of him.

 

He truly is her son because he is just as emotionally unstable. The kid needs to go and have a few sessions with Kevin.

 

Oh Kevin...

 

Carly needs to have a car accident.

 

Sonny and Duke...they're not even worth the time to talk about.

 

Anna...just write her off as going to search for Robin , let her be productive ffs, let her act like the real Anna already, why must they continue to torment the character so? I want that agent locked in his own hole and left to rot.

 

Sam and Patrick could both be set on fire at this point and I am not sure it'd be any less yawn worthy. They are like watching paint dry, I just can't get over their anti-chemistry.

 

Liz and Jakson...there just isn't enough "ew" in the world to cover their scenes together.

 

Why would he walk around shirtless when all he had to do was call to her from the bathroom asking for more than a pair of pants to put on?

 

But oh no, Liz had to oogle and google at his man goodies and even make a pretty creepy comment about his body because hey, why not, she hasn't gotten any in how long again? It was just nastiness, Ron specialty it seems.

 

Since no one  who needs to will die this Thanksgiving I guess I'll have to look forward to Christmas, maybe someone will poison a pudding. My money will be on Dr. O.

 

 

Which makes me especially scared of all of the "Jason saves the day!" anvils.  If they make Jake or Jason or whoever he is mend fences between Michael and Sonny & Carly, then this whole story will end up being dumb and terrible

 

 

 

I really never thought it'd amount to anything else myself.

 

I thought that way back when Ron had "Jake" and Carly connect during their first meeting.

 

He's too obvious, imo, he wants Jason and Carly at least, and certainly Sonny and Michael will be tossed into the mix because now Ron will get to put his own "twist:" on yet another pretty large chunk of GH history.

 

 

Apparently we have moved beyond HallowElection, and jumped straight to Thanksgiving.  Time moves so fast...​

 

 

 

Well you know those time warps, so unpredictable. It took Sam and Patrick fifteen days alone just to get that lock box open.

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I wish Michael, or anyone on the show, would ask Carly why she is obsessed with the concept of Sonny as Michael One and Only Father. I mean, we know, but this is something that Michael should be all "no seriously what is up with that?"

 

Ron would have her saying, "Because AJ was TEH EVUL, of course.  Plus, he was fat."

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I don't know what I loved more. "Grandmother might get upset." The f you signing in front of Carly with the bitch what showing of the document to her face literally saying in your face bitch. In your face. (Something that's been needed to be said to Carly forever.) The "Get out!" roar of justice was beautiful too.

But then Sonny surprised me with an UCG moment that made me kinda lose my shit. Upon asking Duke to take over his business, a shocked Duke asks why not Shawn. There was this pause. Maybe this show is fucking with my head. But I began to imagine a montage in my mind of Shawn's missed hits. And it was hilarious. Then I remembered Jasus, Holy Hitman who was Enforcer and ran the Gummy Bear Mafia when Sonny went wherever Sonny goes. I also remembered Shawn hitting the bush too.

Also, Jakeson looking at Liz like da fuck when she bought him clothes was UCG too. Lol you wanna nail that Liz.

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Was anyone else surprised/bemused when outraged Carly yelled at Michael, "Are you trying to paint (dead) AJ as a victim?

 

 

Carly just sucks.  The man was murdered for a crime he didn't commit.   Someone else played God with his life - that makes him a friggen victim.  Even in death the bitch won't relent when it comes to AJ. 

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Please, Sonny. Let Duke and Shawn take over your business. I beg of you. I need more laughter in my life.

 

I still feel that the HW and EP, at least, if not necessarily every member of the writing team, really do agree with Carly and Bobbie (who would never say that) that "c'mon, guys, it was just A.J."

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For years I have loathed Carly and yet somehow my mind still boggles at her hypocrisy and the crap hat comes out of her mouth. At least she admitted to Michael that she would do it again. But she was such a freaking liar when she said she was sorry for AJ's death. She has yet to display one moment where I feel she realizes that what she did was fucked up. Yes, of course AJ wasn't a saint, but he's dead and Sonny killed him when he was unarmed. Bringing up how AJ wasn't a saint doesn't mitigate that. And then she has the gall to still be uppity about the Quartermaines being pissed that she still Michael from them. What I especially loved about her tirade about the Quartermaines interrupting Michael's baptism and acting like he was their personal property was in the next breath she turns around and tells Michael 'you were mine. My son.' What's that now about the Quartermaines being possessive you useless she-beast.

 

I hate that we can already see Michael starting to waver a little, but I'm glad, even if it was just to spite Carly, that he signed the papers after she insisted she knew he wouldn't and that he called her on using Monica's grief in her lies.

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Carly just sucks.  The man was murdered for a crime he didn't commit.   Someone else played God with his life - that makes him a friggen victim.  Even in death the bitch won't relent when it comes to AJ.

 

 

 

 

If Carly wasn't such a coward and fearful of actually getting int trouble she wouldn't be able to talk/beg/bride/trick her way out of she'd have offed AJ herself years ago, as soon as the paternity test came back probably. She has an unbridled hatred for AJ, she's never seen him as a victim about anything, certainly not hers and she started all of this.

 

The way she gripped Michael's face and kept repeating that he was "her" son today said it all. Carly viewed Michael as hers and hers alone, he was never AJ's in her mind, hell in a way he isn't even Sonny's. Carly has controlled and pulled the strings when it comes to Michael since day one.

 

Carly's perfect plan was to raise her baby with Jason, at least that was her greatest hope, but since that didn't happen finally in the end she gave Sonny Michael so therefore he belongs to him now and she'll be damned if AJ suddenly gets "their" kid in death when they did so much to keep him away in life.

 

Frankly there might actually be a pretty decent story to tell with this group of sad fucks but Ron has no clue how to write so it'll all be wasted as usual. He goes for cheap, temporary thrills and then there'll be nothing to sustain anything.

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I saw no wavering from Michael. I saw him look at a picture of AJ and himself and genuinely be sad at what Carly/Sonny did. Him signing those papers was no hesitation,

Duke will always be Joshua Templeton, vampire rock agent in my mind. He only comes out at night. I'm like, how they're going to do Duke VS Julian? Because yawn.

This can only work if Silas is Caleb Morley and helps his former agent. Who almost banged Livvie once.

I remember countless shootings and craziness when Michael was both a baby and a kid, to say nothing of the young adult years. Right to the end, even before he got capped, Michael saw his longtime nanny (Leticia? or was it Mercedes?) get gunned down, then begged Sonny to order a hit in retaliation. He was maybe twelve at the time, he knew the score. That was the life he was raised in, he was never allowed to know anything else.

 

I don't think Carly ever had the courage of spirit to kill A.J. herself. She'll take anyone else on but she never tried to end him as far as I can recall. I think some very, very, very, very deep part of her, however small, has always remembered what she did to him and known it was wrong. She was deeply ashamed once, early in the Sarah Brown years, but she buried it away. She is afraid of that shame, so she doesn't have the stomach to deal with A.J. herself. Consciously or more likely unconsciously, she was always hoping someone else (Sonny or Jason) would take care of it. And they did.

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I don't think Carly ever had the courage of spirit to kill A.J. herself

 

 

 

Like I said I see her as a coward, plain and simple. Carly is always about herself first and I never could see her committing a murder unless she knew it'd never cost her anything.

 

Frankly I don't think Carly feels shame, she feels sorry for herself is how I look at her. She always has, since the first day she dragged her sorry ass into town she has had a ginormous chip on her shoulder and she'd never had the guts to deal with everything and then get over it and grow up.

 

Carly still acts like a teenager in so many ways, her instability emotionally, the way she lashes out, the way she clings to grudges, the way she treats people in her life as possessions and it's always about who loves her the most, who likes her better than someone else.

 

She can't even share a friend with his significant other ffs unless she is forced to. She's a woman child, imho, and everything she does is immersed in selfishness and self preservation. She only cares about her kids when she bothers to, when they dare either turn on her, turn away from her, or she actually remembers that they're just innocent little kids who will suffer because of her shitty decisions and suddenly she gets weepy and apologetic though it's always hollow and temporary.

 

The way I saw it AJ was an obstacle to Carly, she barely treated him like a person on a good day and once she determined he wasn't good enough to be Michael's father he may as well have been old gum she stepped in on the sidewalk.

 

Her behaviour today just screamed exactly what she thinks of him, he isn't a victim, he isn't a "good man", he was that awful person who tried to take "her baby away" so she had to go after him first, as if she had no choice. Because in Carly's head she never does, she just "has" to do whatever it is to save herself because no one else really matters in the end.

 

 

ETA:

 

The very fact that Carly would bring up how AJ wanted custody after she "got sick", because why wouldn't he just give the kid to Jason who should have been his father all along anyway, or how the Qs acted when Michael was baptized thanks to his thieving uncle but yet not see the hypocrisy in it all, not see how she did exactly the same thing to AJ and the Qs as she accused, and has continued to accuse, them of doing since Michael was a baby, it's just who she is.

 

She can never see the other person, she refuses to see their pain, their suffering, their plight, she sees only herself, the ultimate victim of everyone else.

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I saw no wavering from Michael. I saw him look at a picture of AJ and himself and genuinely be sad at what Carly/Sonny did. Him signing those papers was no hesitation,

 

I think he did waver a little. We first see him about to sign, but his hand kind of shakes and he stops. He looks at the picture of him and AJ and he looks sad, and to me, a little conflicted. Then before he can sign Carly barges in. He definitely signed without any hesitation, but that was mostly to spite Carly because she had the gall to tell him she knew he wouldn't really go through with it. 

 

It's not like I don't want, or can't understand Michael feeling conflicted. With good writing, he should be conflicted. Despite the scumminess of what Carly and Sonny did, they did raise him his whole life. He's loved them a for long time. Realistically, those feelings don't just completely evaporate overnight. But any wavering I see makes me wary of a possible reconciliation. To bring another soap into this, it makes me think of the recent story of Sami vs EJ on Days of Our Lives. She totally had a kick-ass plan to get back at him. And at first she was really fierce about it, but almost immediately there were signs that she was wavering, which again with good writing should be normal, but I took it a sign she'd forgive him eventually. And, unfortunately she did. I doubt Michael will stay mad at Carly and Sonny forever, but I at least want his freezing them out to last for as long as possible.

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If they want to tell a story of Michael eventually going wholeheartedly back into the Corinthos family fold - and I fear they do and will use Jason to do it - then I think that's disgusting. I hope that's not their plan. I think right now it can go either way and might not head in that trajectory, but I also think there is definitely a lot of dialogue and action for Sonny, Carly, Bobbie, etc. that can be read as Sonny the martyr, Carly and Bobbie the truth-teller, etc.

 

I think the only realistic and honest way to tell this story is for Michael's relationship with Sonny and Carly to be irreparably altered. He must always be Michael Q, for one thing. He must never call Sonny "Dad" again, IMO, but I'm not sure if that'll happen. He must have a very tense relationship with him, the way Dante often does. And he must take a long time to begin to forgive Carly. Jason, I'm sure, may help make some peace, and Michael can be forever torn between those two worlds that make up his life, because that's great drama. But for Jason to just stitch this all up neatly and say hey, it's okay, Sonny didn't mean it? That would be sickening and it might make me give up the show again. And as previously established I don't FF so I will watch almost anything.

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Wait, was there any reaction from Carly about Michael moving into the mansion?  Did Michael get in a zinger about wanting out of his apartment after Sonny and Carly sexed all over it?

 

ETA...Sonny actually remembered Duke as part of his plea deal?!?!  Talk about a legitimately shocking twist!

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Oh, they had to do that, but we all know that if they were being for real Sonny would have forgotten Duke existed until after the agreement was signed. It's priceless to me how Duke keeps yammering on about his and Sonny's true friendship. Duke, you are the old man Sonny ran into at the DMV who won't stop talking.

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Micheal should punch Jason in the face. Like glad you're alive, but this is for me and my dad, AJ. They can be bros after, but that punch must go down. Refer to the time Dan hit Mark on Roseanne. And yes, I noticed they photoshopped a pic of SK from the 90s in with a pic of CD. Ron, can we see you with no filter? I doubt in any light that you and Frank are half as sexy as Sean Kanan. You judgmental hack. You're the reason Roger Howarth doesn't eat. Nor Michael Easton! Feed our soap stars!

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Today's show was really good, except for Lake. I had been feeling them up until today, but those scenes were painful to watch. Liz needs to get some self-respect. And better taste in clothes.

I was cheering during the Carly/Michael scenes. Though they covered some great ground, I wish Michael had brought up he killing Claudia and subsequent prison rape. Being Sony's son led to him being shot in the head, becoming a murderer, and being raped. Laura Wright continues to kill it. She is so darn good at playing Carly as delusional and self-fish.

I loved seeing Helena, and Tony always seem to come alive opposite Constance. But I was taken out of the scenes as I remember thinking Helena was so much older than Luke back in the 90's, and now he looks so much older than her. She calling Alexis "Natasha" was always great. I don't know, but I always loved when she, Luke and Stefan used that name.

Lastly, I loved seeing Sonny in an orange jumpsuit. But Dewq running Sony's organization? Birch, please; Dewq isn't qualified to run the drive-thru at a Wendy's. Bill should have no problem taking Sonny's territory with those dunderheads Sean & Dewq running things. And tomorrow he's going to confront Anna? She better tell him to step off.

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Roger Howarth's in a frontburner storyline where he is playing a serial killer and is still the misunderstood hero of this soap opera. I'm sure he's eating fine.


But Dewq running Sony's organization? Birch, please; Dewq isn't qualified to run the drive-thru at a Wendy's.

 

Dook is, at best, weekend supervisor trainee territory. If that church or matinee crowd starts piling up you might have to call in Morgan, though. Morgan!

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I swear, if Duke goes on some ridiculous, "You didn't tell me you locked up Faison on Spoon Island, so I'm going to run Sonny's gummy bear mob, take that!" rant, I'm gonna need Anna to karate chop him in the kilt.

 

I am of two minds about it, because I love Ian Buchanan despite some, uh, poor showings on this show. He's a very talented actor, but everything about the GH production process as well as the writing grinds him down, IMO. It's largely the way they present Duke, who is basically a delusional old fool. But when they give him scenes with Finola where he actually addresses his anger and his delusions about Sonny and his own pride, I think he's had some very good scenes in the past year. They were quite good last month as well, when she confronted him about alibing for Sonny.

 

The problem is that unless she unequivocally shuts him down it will ring false. She needs to tell him the truth - he means nothing to Sonny, he is not a player in the underworld anymore and his life is a disaster. He wasted their relationship for a man who thinks nothing of him and a world that doesn't care about him in his desperation to feel like a man again. Instead I think they're going to sit there and have a garden-variety argument about each other's ethics, which is honestly the show being deliberately obtuse.

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I am starting to get into the Fluke/Luke/Fiason clusterfuck in spite of myself. It is all about the actors. 

 

Color me impressed that it was Alexis who marched into his cell and collected Luke. How many months have Tracy/Sam and Patrick been on his tail again? LOL!

 

Loving Michael trashing his whole childhood and upbringing to Carly, and telling her "that's the kind of person you are".  I'm so pleased with Michael in this story. 

 

Me too! I have never been more pleased with a character development recently like I am with Michael. I also liked the teeny tiny bit of wavering he showed today because he ought to be slightly conflicted of cutting S&C out of his life. It makes me happy because it shows that he is not operating under blind hate.

 

Which makes me especially scared of all of the "Jason saves the day!" anvils.  If they make Jake or Jason or whoever he is mend fences between Michael and Sonny & Carly, then this whole story will end up being dumb and terrible

 

 

The retcon is nonsense but when you think about it, it doesn't make Jason look good in Michael's eyes. It made him just as guilty of robbing Michael and AJ their lives. Just like with her saying how good a childhood Michael had, Carly thought she was making a good point by pointing out Jason's role, but she was throwing him under the bus to Michael. 

 

Michael's either not thought about Jason's role in his life, or he's absolved him in death. Well, Carly is there to remind Michael of Jason's culpability. I am really interested in how Michael would react to Jason once he's revealed.

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I wish Michael, or anyone on the show, would ask Carly why she is obsessed with the concept of Sonny as Michaels One and Only Father. I mean, we know, but this is something that Michael should be all "no seriously what is up with that?"

 

Great point.  It's especially weird since Michael knows that Carly slept with AJ on his last return; obviously there's something up with that, and it is strange that no one on the show ever asks or talks about it.

 

Jason, I'm sure, may help make some peace, and Michael can be forever torn between those two worlds that make up his life, because that's great drama.

 

I'm curious to see if Michael has any anger at Jason about how Michael was raised, now that he is pissed about his entire life.  Jason protected Michael, but Jason also was right in the middle of a lot of the terrible situations young Michael was put in.​

Dook is, at best, weekend supervisor trainee territory. If that church or matinee crowd starts piling up you might have to call in Morgan, though. Morgan!

 

I want Morgan to wander into Sonny's house all excited because he found his baby, seeing Duke "working" at the tiny little desk in the living room, get mad that Sonny gave Duke a job instead of him, and throw his giant baby at Duke in a rage.

 

No but seriously this is why Sonny actually sucks at his job. Shouldn't he already have a vice-mob-boss in place?

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He's thinner as Frahhnco than he was as Todd. And Michael Easton looked very sickly for a while. Ron needs to stop the fat shaming.

First, I've got to say I was impressed by BM's physique. He looks pudgy in clothes but is definitely not.

Second, I think a few months the ago JT and ME looked sickly thin, but both look a lot better now. And KSt looks fantastic since having that baby. But BH looks like she is wasting away, especially when she wears clothing that draws attention to her collar bone. They need to send over to the set of H2GAWM becsuse the cast members are always tweeting pictures of doughnuts, croissants, etc on set.

Third, while IMHO SK looked a bit overweight at times on this show, he definitely was not fat and looked no worse than MB and BC with their shirts off for starters.

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Dewq isn't qualified to run the drive-thru at a Wendy's. Bill should have no problem taking Sonny's territory with those dunderheads Sean & Dewq running things.

 

Pfft. Sonny isn't even qualified to run the gummy bear mob, so really how much worse can Duke be? It isn't as though Sean is a better shot with Sonny in charge!

 

 

Color me impressed that it was Alexis who marched into his cell and collected Luke. How many months have Tracy/Sam and Patrick been on his tail again? LOL!

 

It was so shocking considering what a great PI Sam is and all that! Oh wait, I was thinking of Sam Spade ... because GH Sam as a PI is a joke.

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"how could you do that to poor sweet Cesar!!!" has killed O. for me.)

O, like corn and BLT is another joke of Ron's that has overstayed its welcome. As a villain she was fine as a regular on the show Dr O needs to go. I so need Tom Hardy Jr to show up and throw her the hell out of his Father's Office. i think this is what annoys me most about Dr. O she is disgracing the memory of Steve Hardy. COS's after him always tried to measure up: Be it Alan, Robin, the Guy who died on Night Shift or Monica. GH has for the most part even under Guza been respectful of the memory of Steve (and Jesse) every time I see Dr O all I see is Ron pissing on John Beradino's Grave

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