Episode Discussion: TFGH

[nilyank]

17 minutes ago, Cheyanne11 said:

Am I mis-remembering or didn't Michael have some heart issue as a newborn?  God, the anvils on this show.  Just let it be found out, let Carly and Sonny screech for a day (you know somehow they'll blame Alexis for being a "part of this") and then Wylie/Jonah/MCIV can be brought into the House of Horrors and be a fully assimilated Corinthii. 

AJ had a heart condition as a baby that Dr Rick Webber operated on him. Michael had a heart condition when he was born that needed to be operated on after he was born. 

Paging Dr Monica. Heart surgeon and connected to AJ and Michael.

[ulkis]

7 minutes ago, giovannif7 said:

Seriously, Maxie - how short is your recall? It wasn't that long ago that you were married to a guy whose abs actually had abs... does this jog your memory?

 

They overdid it just a tad bit with the butter.

Edited September 20, 2018 by ulkis

[statsgirl]

Maxie had the best known heart condition.  It's like the entry to be born in Port Charles.

[LexieLily]

1 minute ago, statsgirl said:

Maxie had the best known heart condition.  It's like the entry to be born in Port Charles.

Which somehow never got brought up during her pregnancy with James, by the way.

[nilyank]

32 minutes ago, LexieLily said:

34 minutes ago, statsgirl said:

Maxie had the best known heart condition.  It's like the entry to be born in Port Charles.

Which somehow never got brought up during her pregnancy with James, by the way.

Or with Georgie. Or more importantly, when she first volunteered to be the surrogate for Lulu and Dante.

[LexieLily]

21 minutes ago, nilyank said:

Or with Georgie. Or more importantly, when she first volunteered to be the surrogate for Lulu and Dante.

For some reason I thought it came up with Georgie. It wouldn't surprise me if it wasn't, but you're right, Maxie might not have been the best candidate for surrogacy and a nurse/doctor should have told that to Lulu/Dante.

[ulkis]

They did bring it up, but just once I think.

[absnow54]

7 hours ago, dubbel zout said:

It's really gross that Valentin and Curtis are so set on Sasha being Nina's daughter. I mean, she probably is, but Sasha doesn't need Curtis and Valentin mansplaining her past to her. Ugh.

Yes! How dare this woman, who has never had any indication that she could be adopted, not immediately discount her entire life because some stranger spent 35 minutes on Google. I look forward to when the DNA test comes back negative (although I’m sure she’ll end up being someone else on the show’s long lost daughter eventually.)

[BlancheDevoreaux]

12 hours ago, TVbitch said:

Maxie saying Peter's abs had abs... um, no they didn't, and 

I do not want to see Maxie crushing on Peter. Please no.

Right?  Say what you want about Ryan Paevey's acting ability, but the man had one amazing body.  I can't imagine how, after being intimate with that body, she would think that Peter was anything special.

10 hours ago, giovannif7 said:

Seriously, Maxie - how short is your recall? It wasn't that long ago that you were married to a guy whose abs actually had abs... does this jog your memory?

 

Mmm hmmm.  Much more "abs have abs" than this:

12 hours ago, sas616 said:

My mouth dropped open when Griffin said he wasn't allowed to receive any of the sacraments, including Confession.  It is inconceivable that the Catholic Church would withhold this sacrament since Confession would allow Griffin to receive absolution for ALL sins that he has committed and thus brining him back into a state of grace.   If Sonny Corinthos can go to Confession, how is it Griffin cannot?  Griffin did not say he was excommunicated.   But what did he do that was so bad he cannot receive the sacraments?  I think it was something like living in a town where people know he used to be a priest.     What a ridiculous storyline.  

Right?  I'm not even Catholic and I know they don't ban you from Confession. I mean, my goodness, I, as a Protestant, can walk into Confession and not be turned away. There is no way they would bar Griffin from Confession. That would be like telling a child that he or she screwed up so much they are not allowed to apologize. What? These stupid writers have no clue.

Edited September 20, 2018 by BlancheDevoreaux

[Katy M]

13 hours ago, sas616 said:

My mouth dropped open when Griffin said he wasn't allowed to receive any of the sacraments, including Confession.  It is inconceivable that the Catholic Church would withhold this sacrament since Confession would allow Griffin to receive absolution for ALL sins that he has committed and thus brining him back into a state of grace.   If Sonny Corinthos can go to Confession, how is it Griffin cannot?  Griffin did not say he was excommunicated.   But what did he do that was so bad he cannot receive the sacraments?  I think it was something like living in a town where people know he used to be a priest.     What a ridiculous storyline.  

Leaders are held to a higher standard.  But, yeah.

[NutmegsDad]

13 hours ago, sas616 said:

My mouth dropped open when Griffin said he wasn't allowed to receive any of the sacraments, including Confession.  It is inconceivable that the Catholic Church would withhold this sacrament since Confession would allow Griffin to receive absolution for ALL sins that he has committed and thus brining him back into a state of grace.   If Sonny Corinthos can go to Confession, how is it Griffin cannot?  Griffin did not say he was excommunicated.   But what did he do that was so bad he cannot receive the sacraments?  I think it was something like living in a town where people know he used to be a priest.     What a ridiculous storyline.  

If you're excommunicated, you're out of Communion with the Catholic Church, but this snippet from Wikipedia says it best:

 

"In Roman Catholic canon law, excommunication is a censure and thus a "medicinal penalty" intended to invite the person to change behavior or attitude that incurred the penalty, repent, and return to full communion.[3]Excommunication severs one from communion with the Church; excommunicated Catholics are forbidden from receiving any sacrament and refused a Catholic burial, but are still bound by canonical obligations such as attending Mass or fasting seasonally. Excommunicated Catholics, however, are barred from receiving the Eucharist or from taking an active part in the liturgy (reading, bringing the offerings, etc.).[4] They are still Catholics per se, but are separated from the Church."

So, PFMs are making shit up and throwing it.

* What Griffin did, even if it's boinking Ava and Lauren, isn't excommunicatable.

* Archdiocese, and a Monsignor, can't make the call to excommunicate.

* Withholding ALL Sacraments is only in the realm of excommunication, and see above.

* Not only is Griffin NOT barred from Mass, he's still required to go to Sunday Mass.

* Even if he was excommunicated, there's an active process of reconciliation (penance) to once again be in Communion. It's not a fucking shunning or banishment.

 

In short, Show, be ecclesiastical somewhere else.

[dubbel zout]

8 minutes ago, NutmegsDad said:

* Archdiocese, and a Monsignor, can't make the call to excommunicate.

Ooh, let's have this story go all the way to the Vatican!

8 minutes ago, NutmegsDad said:

In short, Show, be ecclesiastical somewhere else.

GH has never done religion (of any sort) well, but it handles Catholicism particularly badly. (And I'm not even Catholic! Or churchgoer of any sort, for that matter.)

[NutmegsDad]

Oh, isn't Griffin suppose to be telling Sonny and Carly about Ava and the blanket right about now, since she dropped a dime on him, thus hurting him? I'll wait to see if Ava's fight with Lauren has blowback as well.

[sacrebleu]

I object to the notion of KiKi being Nina's if only because it probably means we'll have to hear Staffords bizarre soft-J pronunciation of the Schzerome name again.

[dubbel zout]

1 hour ago, NutmegsDad said:

Oh, isn't Griffin suppose to be telling Sonny and Carly about Ava and the blanket right about now, since she dropped a dime on him, thus hurting him?

He's too self-righteous to do that. Ugh.

[nilyank]

51 minutes ago, dubbel zout said:

2 hours ago, NutmegsDad said:

Oh, isn't Griffin suppose to be telling Sonny and Carly about Ava and the blanket right about now, since she dropped a dime on him, thus hurting him?

He's too self-righteous to do that. Ugh.

Ava knows that he is not into revenge like she is, so she keeps going after him to punish him. Of course,  even if he does tell them,  she would just deny it. It is not like this will change the current custody arrangement. Thank god.

[ciarra]

Cam/Oscar, a better pairing.  Cam's "lightbulb moment" was so much better than what Joss' reaction will be.  Because Joss be screeching, "What about me, how awful for me."

[GHScorpiosRule]

28 minutes ago, ciarra said:

Cam/Oscar, a better pairing.  Cam's "lightbulb moment" was so much better than what Joss' reaction will be.  Because Joss be screeching, "What about me, how awful for me."

In other words, she’s just like her beast of a mother.

[LexieLily]

"Whatever Sam does....is up to Sam." There's a line of love and commitment to getting out of the mob if I ever heard one. Jason couldn't care less about how his choices affect Sam and BOTH of his sons. And no, Jason, Julian isn't your father-in-law. He's your ex-father-in-law. You and Sam aren't married.

[statsgirl]

Max Gail was heartbreaking today. He really deserves an Emmy.

Jordan:  The gun that shot the skeleton guy was used in a crime in Brooklyn. And Mike was living in Brooklyn at the time!  (duh duh duh)  Okay Jordan, he must be guilty.

Jason, Julian is not your father-in-law.  He's your ex father-in-law since all you do with Sam is look pained and blink. And if Sam doesn't want Julian near her, it's up to her to tell him, not you, as she has on numerous occasions.  Julian owes you no explanation or deference.  LOL that Julian knows the real question Jason has is whether Julian a threat to Sonny, not Sam.

Shouldn't insurance money cover the damages to Charley's or can't he get insurance any more because of the earthquake?  Any money Sonny gives Julian is hush money.  I hate it that Julain

In other aggravations this episode, why is Carly taking charge at the meeting between Lucas, a doctor, and Brad, a medical technician and their cardiologist?  Hit her, Brad, hit her.  Also no baby gets an echocardiogram at birth unless they're in distress.

My mother had a prolapsed heart valve when she was born. Could she be a secret Quartermaine?

Kiki is such a bitch. Don't wear your underwear around a man you've slept with unless you're planning on doing it again. And Griffin wouldn't know a good person if he met one.  Look how pro-Sonny he is.

ETA: snap @LexieLily for the ex.

Edited September 20, 2018 by statsgirl

[Linny]

I'm over Ava freaking out and downing drinks and wallowing in her misery. It's high time she recognizes that Kiki and Griffin are irrelevant to her self-worth. She has another beautiful daughter she could be focusing on instead of channeling all this aggression at two people who quite clearly don't give two shits about her.

100% the only reason Carly got to give Brad that pep talk was so that when she learns the truth of his actions, there's basis for her to verbally eviscerate him on how easily he's lied to her and betrayed the good faith of her nearest and dearest. With Nelle out of the picture, this is the inexorable conclusion we're crawling towards.

"What Sam does is up to Sam." Yeah, but if Sam isn't smart or strong enough to keep her family out of a confirmed unsafe environment, maybe the dude who lost five years of his life due to the dangers of his business could step up and draw boundaries for the sake of the greater good, and stop acting like a passive observer of his life.

[LillyB]

Kiki, if it is hot in your apartment, open a window, it is as simple as that.

[TeeVee329]

Not that I want this story to drag because I hate it, but we're ALREADY at the medical ailment that could McGuffin-ily reveal the swap?  I mean, it was bad enough when Carly said Michael had had this, but then Monica chiming in about AJ having it too?  Ugh.  Hate.

Hmmm Michael and Maxie again.

[statsgirl]

The only way I could accept Michael getting the baby back is if he's with Maxie and the baby gets nowhere near Sonny or Carly.

14 minutes ago, Linny said:

"What Sam does is up to Sam." Yeah, but if Sam isn't smart or strong enough to keep her family out of a confirmed unsafe environment, maybe the dude who lost five years of his life due to the dangers of his business could step up and draw boundaries for the sake of the greater good, and stop acting like a passive observer of his life.

Jason regrets none of his decisions except his time as Jason Quartermaine.

Edited September 20, 2018 by statsgirl

[dubbel zout]

42 minutes ago, statsgirl said:

My mother had a prolapsed heart valve when she was born. Could she be a secret Quartermaine?

Yes—get a good lawyer and sue the Qs for your part of the fortune!

36 minutes ago, TeeVee329 said:

Not that I want this story to drag because I hate it, but we're ALREADY at the medical ailment that could McGuffin-ily reveal the swap?  I mean, it was bad enough when Carly said Michael had had this, but then Monica chiming in about AJ having it too?  Ugh.  Hate.

This is a story that should last for years, but of course it won't because the writers are too lazy to give it any sort of depth. The only people I care about in any of this is the Who?s, and you know Brad is going to get eviscerated for his part in it. Julian will also get dragged, since everything he does is OMG TEH EVUL. Ugh. Hate. Multiplied by a billion gazillion.

[TeeVee329]

3 minutes ago, dubbel zout said:

Yes—get a good lawyer and sue the Qs for your part of the fortune!

Team up with the good ones and oust Jason and Michael from the family!

[Perkie]

54 minutes ago, statsgirl said:

Max Gail was heartbreaking today. He really deserves an Emmy.

Both Max and Vernee together today were all kinds of awesome.  It's unfortunate that Mike has Alzheimers because a romance between Mike and Stella would be cute.  

[Perkie]

Here's a question, Lucas immediately wondered why the heart defect didn't show up in the medical history that the birht mother provided.  My question, if it were something that would show in utero, why didn't it show up in Nelle/Jonah's medical records?

[LillyB]

Jason seemed to be shocked when Julian told him that he wanted nothing to do with mob stuff.

[Perkie]

1 minute ago, LillyB said:

ason seemed to be shocked when Julian told him that he wanted nothing to do with mob stuff.

Jason has binders where he's written "I heart mob stuff" all over so of course he would be shocked that someone would want nothing to do with that life.  

[dubbel zout]

29 minutes ago, LillyB said:

Jason seemed to be shocked when Julian told him that he wanted nothing to do with mob stuff.

And yet when Julian was involved with mob stuff, Julian was worse than Public Enemy No. 1. You can't have it both ways, Anger Boy.

[BlancheDevoreaux]

2 hours ago, statsgirl said:

My mother had a prolapsed heart valve when she was born. Could she be a secret Quartermaine?

 

No.  See, since AJ had it but not Jason of Nazareth, that can only mean that Monica carries the gene and not Alan.  Because that is how things work in Port Chuck.

[dubbel zout]

I wish Monica had told Carly to get lost, but of course that can never happen. And why is Carly running that consult? SMH.

Ava, people keep throwing you sleeping with Morgan in your face because you are seemingly unable to have any sort of historical perspective.

James is a fatheaded delight.

"What Sam does is up to Sam." Reader, I swooned from the romance of that statement.

[statsgirl]

1 hour ago, dubbel zout said:

"What Sam does is up to Sam." Reader, I swooned from the romance of that statement.

Yep.  You've figured out why Jason is so much better than Drew.

[LexieLily]

4 minutes ago, statsgirl said:

Yep.  You've figured out why Jason is so much better than Drew.

If only Jason was going to have any moments of reflection or introspection about his life and his life choices.

[Cheyanne11]

2 hours ago, dubbel zout said:

I wish Monica had told Carly to get lost, but of course that can never happen. And why is Carly running that consult? SMH.

 

Why the hell was she even in there?  God, she's like Blonde Godzilla, the way she stomps around town.

Complaint No. 43 from me about the way this Alzheimer's story is being used.  Sonny barking at Jordan that how dare she even mention a possible connection to a MURDER VICTIM because "my father is a sick man" is gross. 

[katie9918]

3 hours ago, dubbel zout said:

I wish Monica had told Carly to get lost, but of course that can never happen. And why is Carly running that consult? SMH.

Ava, people keep throwing you sleeping with Morgan in your face because you are seemingly unable to have any sort of historical perspective.

James is a fatheaded delight.

"What Sam does is up to Sam." Reader, I swooned from the romance of that statement.

Excellent. I’m glad viewers aren’t expected to forget that Kiki is simply following her wretched mother’s example in having absolutely no loyalty to family when peen is involved. It’s a bad reflection on Kiki that she sank to Ava’s level, but wretched Ava showed the way.

 

Why are the viewers being punished with Steve Burton again?

[gp1999]

That slap to Ava yesterday was a long time coming. What a self righteous bitch she is 

[LillyB]

I have to say that Kiki is as self righteous as her mother. The apple doesn't fall far from the tree.

[Auntie Velvet]

On 9/19/2018 at 7:36 PM, nilyank said:

Because the person Ava care most about in the world is herself and back then the police suspected Silas and her of trying to kill Nina for her money. If she got together with Silas after Nina fell into a coma, that would make them look even guiltier. 

As for Kiki being coma baby, I thought that was going to happened way back when Franco became friends with Nina so they could give him an conventional family with Nina and Kiki.

So, Carly is going to figure out the truth about Wiley. Because she kept throwing looks at the baby and tomorrow, Wiley is going to have issues with his heart. The same way that Michael did when he was born.

At the time that it was first brought up, Ava explained that she and Silas both felt so guilty about Nina's coma that they just parted ways, feeling that the whole thing was poisoned. Which doesn't seem very Ava-like, but it was the best the writers could do, I guess. 

[gp1999]

2 hours ago, LillyB said:

I have to say that Kiki is as self righteous as her mother. The apple doesn't fall far from the tree.

Yeah Kiki is no saint but Ava has no right to play victim here. Whatever happened to her being redeemed last year? The moment she finds out about Griffin and Kiki she turns Griffin to Monica over something she had no business with and gets him suspended from his job showing her true colors 

[dubbel zout]

8 hours ago, LillyB said:

I have to say that Kiki is as self righteous as her mother. The apple doesn't fall far from the tree.

Yeah, no one is coming off well here.

I like how Julian tried to calm Ava down, but she's way too absolute. It's exhausting.

[YaddaYadda]

"What Sam does is up to Sam." Translate to --> "Bitch, I'm not going to change my life for anyone."

Edited September 21, 2018 by YaddaYadda

[nilyank]

1 hour ago, dubbel zout said:

Yeah, no one is coming off well here.

I like how Julian tried to calm Ava down, but she's way too absolute. It's exhausting

I appreciated that Julian distinguished that forgiving her daughter and forgiving her ex-boyfriend is not the same thing. Ava says that she loves her daughter but she keeps going scorched earth on those people that she said wronged her and now wants to include Kiki on that list.

 

Kiki for her part wants nothing to do with her mother. She doesn't have to have a relationship with her and as long as she avoids Ava, I still think Kiki is trying to move on with her life. 

[BlancheDevoreaux]

9 hours ago, LillyB said:

I have to say that Kiki is as self righteous as her mother. The apple doesn't fall far from the tree.

I can't stand Kiki.  I used to fluctuate between liking her and not really having an opinion.  Now, I just can't stand her.  Ava is being absolutely ridiculous, no doubt. However, I think back to when I was in late elementary/early middle school and was told, "you can't control how other people act.  You can only control how you act and react to them." Kiki could stand to learn that lesson. Her telling Griffin yesterday that they had nothing to apologize or be sorry for?  Uh, yes you do. Just because Ava has been a royal bitch in response doesn't make what you two did appropriate or even acceptable.

 

I watched some old school videos of Jason and Robin yesterday. I wasn't watching back when they were together so there isn't really nostalgia there for me, but I still love them as a couple.  I'm just not sure it could ever work now, though. Jason had emotions with Robin.  He had depth. Current Jason just... doesn't. In all fairness, I never liked him with Sam.  I first started watching GH in 2002-2003 because I guy I knew was on it. That was when Jason and Sam were first getting together.  I couldn't stand her character and that didn't help. Then the Jasam fans hit and really turned me off the couple.  So, when he started to get together with Liz I thought maybe I would like that pairing. Nope.  Which made me think it was Jason.  But, watching old clips, I did like him with Robin. Are they writing that differently for him now?  Does Steve Burton just put in more effort with Kimberly? 

[Cheyanne11]

8 minutes ago, BlancheDevoreaux said:

I can't stand Kiki.  I used to fluctuate between liking her and not really having an opinion.  Now, I just can't stand her.  Ava is being absolutely ridiculous, no doubt. However, I think back to when I was in late elementary/early middle school and was told, "you can't control how other people act.  You can only control how you act and react to them." Kiki could stand to learn that lesson. Her telling Griffin yesterday that they had nothing to apologize or be sorry for?  Uh, yes you do. Just because Ava has been a royal bitch in response doesn't make what you two did appropriate or even acceptable.

 

Yep.  Ava is beyond flawed and she's done shitty things to Kiki, but she's also groveled for forgiveness and admitted she did said shitty things.  Kiki is just bopping around in her Forever 21 camisole snidely acting like sleeping with Griffin was no big deal and Ava shouldn't have been hurt by it.  The world doesn't work that way.

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I watched some old school videos of Jason and Robin yesterday. I wasn't watching back when they were together so there isn't really nostalgia there for me, but I still love them as a couple.  I'm just not sure it could ever work now, though. Jason had emotions with Robin.  He had depth. Current Jason just... doesn't. In all fairness, I never liked him with Sam.  I first started watching GH in 2002-2003 because I guy I knew was on it. That was when Jason and Sam were first getting together.  I couldn't stand her character and that didn't help. Then the Jasam fans hit and really turned me off the couple.  So, when he started to get together with Liz I thought maybe I would like that pairing. Nope.  Which made me think it was Jason.  But, watching old clips, I did like him with Robin. Are they writing that differently for him now?  Does Steve Burton just put in more effort with Kimberly? 

I'll always believe that.  Either more effort or it's just totally effortless between the two of them.  I don't think they'd work now at all, but that spark is still there.

[rur]

1 minute ago, BlancheDevoreaux said:

  In all fairness, I never liked him with Sam. … But, watching old clips, I did like him with Robin. Are they writing that differently for him now?  Does Steve Burton just put in more effort with Kimberly? 

Maybe he used to put in some effort. I remember Sam and Jason's Hawaii honeymoon, even before Franco's intervention. I knew the scenes were supposed to be kind of sexy, but they were not. And to be fair, at the time it seemed like KM was trying to be romantic, but it just didn't seem to take. I didn't think she was particularly good at it, and the Borg wasn't responding, so I was actually suffering from a mild case of second-hand embarrassment. 

* It did just dawn on me that maybe scenes like that contributed to the lack of effort KM seems to be putting into scenes with him now. 

[TeeVee329]

So I finally took a look at the Lucy/Ryan scenes from the other day and I have thoughts:

- As previously noted, the weird continuity fail going from Lucy meeting Ryan at the office on Monday to Ryan approaching Lucy at the bar on Tuesday.  Sloppy.

- Lynn Herring is seriously looking so great.

- Ryan's disgust at the mention of Scotty.  Do those two have history?  Were Lucy and Scotty still a thing while Ryan was hanging around?

- So what exactly was Ryan's agenda in setting up this dinner with Lucy?  He already knew from his SpyderFinder research that Kevin and Lucy are divorced.  Was he just trying to get info on Felicia?  Considering he went out of his way to setting this up, his goal wasn't clear enough IMO.

- I really loved Lucy's reaction to "Kevin" being fine with Lulu's story, and her concern for "Kevin" himself and what digging up all the Ryan stuff means for him, not just Felicia.  Nice job, Lynn!

[BlancheDevoreaux]

I thought I remembered that Lucy was always able to tell the difference between Kevin and Ryan. Was that not the case or is that something the writers have just decided to forget?

[statsgirl]

5 hours ago, nilyank said:

Kiki for her part wants nothing to do with her mother. She doesn't have to have a relationship with her and as long as she avoids Ava, I still think Kiki is trying to move on with her life. 

Re-arranging her shadowing schedule (yeah, as if that could happen) to take her mother's ex to the movies is not moving on. I know that she considers Griffin a friend but she needs to step away from him for a while.. Also Girffin's chief characteristic is "saving" women in trouble so even more should Kiki keep away from him.

Kiki deliberately went to Ava to tell her that she would be picking up Avery from school is also not moving on; it's taking pleasure in rubbing her mother's nose in it.

4 hours ago, BlancheDevoreaux said:

But, watching old clips, I did like him with Robin. Are they writing that differently for him now?  Does Steve Burton just put in more effort with Kimberly? 

I think Burton puts more effort into scenes with Kimberly now than he does with other actors because of their friendship. But back then, he was just a young kid eager to do a good job so he could keep his and build his career.  Now he's a 'star' and doesn't have to put in any effort while still getting everything he wants. To quote Lord Acton, or Star Trek, power corrupts.

Edited September 21, 2018 by statsgirl
to correct the spelling of "Acton"