Episode Discussion: TFGH

[dubbel zout]

If Sonny isn't the romantic lead, who is? Michael? He has all the sex appeal of an uncooked chicken breast, IMO.

[Harmony233]

The problem with Sonny is even when he's wrong he's made out to be the victim.

[ulkis]

3 minutes ago, dubbel zout said:

He doesn't have to be so self-satisfied that she's suffering.

Yeah, I guess. I just have trouble Sonny would be acting anything other than how he is. Anything else would just ring false. And people are calling him out on his lack of compassion, so it's not like people are going "oh yeah you're right Sonny! That bitch is bad while you're fantastic!" That's what makes me annoyed at Sonny.

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LOL at Finn's "You look pretty" to Rebecca Budig. ME's various characters have used that line a lot, and it never sounds sincere.

So weird that he keeps busting that line out. Wasn't that a Natalie/McBain thing?

4 minutes ago, dubbel zout said:

If Sonny isn't the romantic lead, who is? Michael? He has all the sex appeal of an uncooked chicken breast, IMO.

lol. Yeah, I was thinking Michael honestly. Which is not great, for the reason you said, but a lead's a lead I guess. I suppose a year ago Nathan could have been pointed to as the romantic lead.

Or GH just doesn't have a romantic lead, which is ridiculous, but that's where mobby Guza and campy Ron eventually led the show to.

I refuse to even consider F****o. No one mention his name!

7 minutes ago, TeeVee329 said:

I definitely think the Brenda!Bot arc was about showing that Sonny's still got it, that he could go out and get laid any night of the week.

That's true.

[dubbel zout]

I liked that it was Diane who told Alexis she was an attorney again. I also loved her snicker when Alexis said she'd been considering taking a job at Kelly's.

12 minutes ago, ulkis said:

So weird that he keeps busting that line out. Wasn't that a Natalie/McBain thing?

He used it once that I can think of, and it sounded like an ad lib.

Edited June 1, 2017 by dubbel zout

[Oracle42]

1 hour ago, LexieLily said:

Your romantic lead, ladies and gentleman....the man who doesn't care if his youngest daughter's mother lives or dies!

Why did Ava screw Sonny on AJ's grave? I don't remember how they ended up compounding their murdery grossnes with sacrilegious grossness

[LexieLily]

2 minutes ago, Oracle42 said:

Why did Ava screw Sonny on AJ's grave? I don't remember how they ended up compounding their murdery grossnes with sacrilegious grossness

I honestly don't remember either. But I do remember Sonny and Carly screwing on Michael's couch because of their part in AJ's death and - at that point - getting away with it, so maybe it was an aphrodisiac for him.  

[RedheadZombie]

It really irritated me how Laura was so eager to get Charlotte away from the dangerous Chimera, yet showed only passing concern for the rest of their "loved ones" still in danger.  Ugh!  She's known her granddaughter for five minutes, and she already trumps Jake.   But then I remembered that Anna had pawned off her only grandchild on others.  At least Elizabeth got to be the hero with her own child for once. 

[Oracle42]

59 minutes ago, ulkis said:

Wouldn't we all be crying bullshit though if Sonny was compassionate towards Ava? I wouldn't expect most people to be compassionate towards Ava if she did to their kid what she did to Morgan, let alone Sonny.

I think his hatred is completely justifiable but his current attitude towards Ava would feel a little more earned if he and Michael were still on the outs - if she'd been instrumental in him losing both of his sons. It'd be kinda soapy instead of just annoying

[ulkis]

6 minutes ago, Oracle42 said:

Why did Ava screw Sonny on AJ's grave? I don't remember how they ended up compounding their murdery grossnes with sacrilegious grossness

They were bonding over how bad they felt over the shit they did.

[Oracle42]

9 hours ago, ulkis said:

They were bonding over how bad they felt over the shit they did.

I.... I hate them both, so, so much.

Edited June 2, 2017 by Oracle42

[TeeVee329]

54 minutes ago, ulkis said:

They were bonding over how bad they felt over the shit they did.

Never mind that Sonny (and Carly) bullied their way into the funeral over Monica's objections.

[dubbel zout]

Once again, Sonny's outrage that someone—this time, Michael—asks him if he's going to kill Ava is absurd. It was smart to have Michael frame it as causing trouble for the family, but of course Sonny couldn't care less. It's always all about him.

The Finn/Hayden stuff was so boring.

Why is Lauren asking Sonny for the truth about Ava? WTF?

[ulkis]

Port Charles' fire marshall:

[P3pp3rb1rd]

I can't believe that when Anna blithely and breezily reassures everyone "Oh I destroyed that Chimera thingy! Bad bad all gone!" they nod and go on with their lives. Anna never has mentioned any witnesses or affidavits filed to prove she destroyed it. Nor has anyone inquired or has she explained how she disposed of this extremely virulent germ colony safely into the environment. Did she pour it down her bathroom drain or flush it down her potty? Did she go to a WSB lab to dispose of it safely? Or did she sell it to some ISIS terrorists on EBay to finance Emma's future college attendance? Maybe she just popped it into Duke's former funeral urn and keeps it on her mantel? Everyone simply trusts Anna implicitly.

[LexieLily]

Do we even know for sure that this is Anna?

[dubbel zout]

3 minutes ago, P3pp3rb1rd said:

Did she go to a WSB lab to dispose of it safely?

Yes. She told Valentin (? I think it was he) that she went to a WSB facility.

1 minute ago, LexieLily said:

Do we even know for sure that this is Anna?

Alex was arrested; I think it is legitimately supposed to be Anna.

[peachmangosteen]

2 hours ago, dubbel zout said:

I think Nelle looks better now than she ever has.

 

I agree. I thought she looked stunning today. She's still boring as hell though.

2 hours ago, ulkis said:

Nelle can sleep with Jax, just to give Carly something extra to rage about.

 

I have wanted this to happen since the beginning of this story.

This ep wasn't half bad imo. I skipped all the Sonny scenes and the Nelle/Michael scenes though, so that definitely helped.

[dubbel zout]

2 minutes ago, peachmangosteen said:

She's still boring as hell though.

She and Michael are like propofol.

[Chairperson Meow]

4 hours ago, LexieLily said:

Your romantic lead, ladies and gentleman....the man who doesn't care if his youngest daughter's mother lives or dies!

I feel the love in the afternoon.  

[RedheadZombie]

1 hour ago, peachmangosteen said:

I agree. I thought she looked stunning today. She's still boring as hell though.

I have wanted this to happen since the beginning of this story.

This ep wasn't half bad imo. I skipped all the Sonny scenes and the Nelle/Michael scenes though, so that definitely helped.

Nelle looks so much better without that hideous eyeliner they rim her eyes with.   I think she's a natural beauty like Diane Lane.  A decent makeup artist shouldn't leave you less attractive. 

[jsbt]

Since he was brought up in ulkis' video let me just say I have never gotten over our own Pete Martell comparing Maura West's hammy, often tic-laden (I love it but come on, it is) performance as Ava to Fire Marshall Bill. The resemblance is uncanny, especially when she really goes apeshit with the bug eyes and faces. It just kills me.

[Sake614]

The show was preempted at the half so Trump could announce that he's pulling out of the Paris accord. Can someone recap for me? I don't know why I even care first half was abysmal. But it's a habit...

Edited June 2, 2017 by Sake614

[Cheyanne11]

3 hours ago, RedheadZombie said:

Nelle looks so much better without that hideous eyeliner they rim her eyes with.   I think she's a natural beauty like Diane Lane.  A decent makeup artist shouldn't leave you less attractive. 

She looked way prettier today than she has maybe ever.  She really does look better with a natural look.

As far as the Sonny scenes today, I almost had a rage blackout.  Want to know why I'll always root for ANYONE over Sonny?  Because that person (Ava, Julian, the guy who overcharged him on his espresso) are made to be town pariahs, while he trots along and cannot believe anyone--ANYONE--would question him on anything.  Also, screw you and your "cease and desist" bullshit, Diane.  Yes, yes, you're the 'comic relief' on the show, but you're also a Sonny apologist and mob shill and for that you are pathetic.

Also?  Coming to Sonny, of all people, for the truth, Lauren?  God, you're dumber than I thought.  You've got a lovely, supportive boyfriend at the hospital and you run to your mother's worst enemy--the man who was going to kill her as soon as she gave birth to Avery--for answers?  UGH!

Edited June 2, 2017 by Cheyanne11
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[tvgoddess]

7 hours ago, dubbel zout said:

If Sonny isn't the romantic lead, who is? Michael? He has all the sex appeal of an uncooked chicken breast, IMO.

This is the truest thing ever said.

4 hours ago, dubbel zout said:

She and Michael are like propofol.

And so is this. You get double points from me today.

You guys have pretty much said it all already, and more clever and articulately than I could. The rage is still there, but it's accompanied by a stomach churning realization that this show will never, ever change. Gag me at woe is me Sonny.

I'm glad I got Jerome sibs in before Julian inevitably turns on Ava, like he always does. But it was nice for the time being. I've always liked their complicated relationship dynamic. There's no way in hell Kiki will forgive Ava, she's never been on her side. Dillon who hates Ava, even tried to get her to wait a minute and let herself grieve for her mother's state. Not going to happen, because Kiki has always thought about Kiki. Going to Sonny for the truth? GTFOH. She did look really pretty at the end though, as did Nelle.

Michael, your ability to flirt is less than zero. Do yourself a favor and stop talking. You're embarrassing yourself.

Glad Alexis is a lawyer again. It's nice to see a woman really love her job. I hate mine, so I can't relate. I was getting tired of hearing Alexis whine about not working, so it's a win win all around. She sure didn't listen to Diane. Beeline straight to Julian.

I kind of wish Ava wouldn't wake up so soon, it's got to be agony. Let her sleep as long as possible.

Fuck off, Kristina.

Edited June 2, 2017 by tvgoddess

[ciarra]

Just now, tvgoddess said:

I kind of wish Ava wouldn't wake up so soon, it's got to be agony.

She didn't suffer much from her minute-long cancer battle.  But I'm sure they'll drag this out.

[testardo]

57 minutes ago, Cheyanne11 said:

She looked way prettier today than she has maybe ever.  She really does look better with a natural look.

As far as the Sonny scenes today, I almost had a rage blackout.  Want to know why I'll always root for ANYONE over Sonny?  Because that person (Ava, Julian, the guy who overcharged him on his espresso) are made to be town pariahs, while he trots along and cannot believe anyone--ANYONE--would question him on anything.  Also, screw you and your "cease and desist" bullshit, Diane.  Yes, yes, you're the 'comic relief' on the show, but you're also a Sonny apologist and mob shill and for that you are pathetic.

Also?  Coming to Sonny, of all people, for the truth, Lauren?  God, you're dumber than I thought.  You've got a lovely, supportive boyfriend at the hospital and you run to your mother's worst enemy--the man who was going to kill her as soon as she gave birth to Avery--for answers?  UGH!

I went to the gym so hooray,I missed the show. Sainted Morgan got payback for switching the pills on Michael. STFU Kiki. Your mother didn't plant the bomb, his own father was about to. Has done it before.I don't even like Ava, *holdover from As the world turns* Hated her on that show. Sonny and Carly on their high horses made me  nuts when I watched them, it was on DVR, so I FF them. All this because I wanted to watch the NB and Robin and Emmas return. Still have three days left to watch then I get the most pleasure in deleating it all.. First time I did it by mistake without watching it, didn't even get upset. I have resigned myself that Sonnys will be the last face we will see when the show is cancelled. So for me its back to the gym,no GH.

[statsgirl]

Sonny is the cockroach of this show -- he'll never die, and he's about as welcome to me.

11 hours ago, tveyeonyou said:

I find it funny that when I go to the Forums page, General Hospital is no longer listed on the main page, at least on my computer.  I also discovered I have a pause button on my remote so I can now watch GH after it's over and fast forward through all things Sonny. It's the little things in life that make me happy.

It is the only way I can watch this show, especially Sonny and Carly. I"m also happy to fast forward through Hayden's pregnancy, Michael and Nelle and any with Sonny so it took a bare 13 minutes for today.

10 hours ago, LexieLily said:

Your romantic lead, ladies and gentleman....the man who doesn't care if his youngest daughter's mother lives or dies!

You do him wrong. He does care; he wants her dead and not bothering him with her demands to see her daughter.

9 hours ago, Harmony233 said:

The problem with Sonny is even when he's wrong he's made out to be the victim.

And the hero.

[P3pp3rb1rd]

9 hours ago, Oracle42 said:

Why did Ava screw Sonny on AJ's grave? I don't remember how they ended up compounding their murdery grossnes with sacrilegious grossness

I don't 'zactly remember the particulars, but I loved the way they showed Ava reaching for his belt and zipper as she was beginning to slide to her knees. And remember 'way back when she was slowly undoing the knot in Morgan's bathrobe belt? They used to let Ava be so badgirl sexy and now she's only permitted to be a begging mama for Avery or a whipping victim for nasty Carson.

[sunnyface]

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so it's not like people are going "oh yeah you're right Sonny! That bitch is bad while you're fantastic!"

I will pull up a seat at a table-for-one as I enjoy watching Michael and Nelle.  My problem with Sonny isn't just with the character and actor in a vacuum.  Sonny lets the goodwill air bleed from other characters that I might not mind watching.  Yesterday's episode provided a good example.  I enjoyed Michael and Nelle's hospital scenes but Michael's later interactions with the guy who killed his father quickly put a damper on my enjoyment of Mike's scenes and my memory of his earlier scenes.  I also enjoy the character of Diane - in small portions.  Her scenes with Alexis were fun to watch but the mention of her primary client just put a damper on any enjoyment of her scenes.   It's sort of like they had the hospital staff that was working on Ava wearing gloves but I can't remember the last time that the infectious disease doctor applied a pair of gloves when he was working.

[NutmegsDad]

17 hours ago, TeeVee329 said:

The fuck with Sonny snarling that Dante should squeeze Scotty for information about Ava.  Scotty's her lawyer.  Would Sonny like Diane being squeezed for details on his many crimes? 

You mean the lawyer than was able to convince a judge to issue a C&D on behalf of people involved in an investigation? Good luck. Diane will recite the entire Constitution and Sonny will get "help" to let her go.

 

18 hours ago, tveyeonyou said:

Are we all supposed to forget the blowing up of Morgan started because Sonny put a hit out on Julian?

Yes, because Jax bought Joss' kidney on the black market, so he did it on himself (and that's where Sonny Chop Logic resides).

On ‎5‎/‎31‎/‎2017 at 3:51 PM, rur said:

I don't want anyone to lose a job, but  I'd rather see Ava die than have to be subjected to three months of scenes of Sonny and Carly telling each other how right it was for them to leave a woman in a burning building, especially since when they were trying to leave Sonny said they had to turn back, which meant they had to go past the room they'd escaped from. I know it's only a soap, and I know Ava is not a pure snowflake, but two days of CarSon's self-righteousness has already managed to disgust me more than anything else this show has ever done. I may finally throw in the towel. 

For years, CarSon has wanted Ava to DIAF, and now, she's almost dead in a fire. That is actually in character for them, and, if Show had any toxic balls, they would show no mercy and look to have Ava "expire" in the burn ward. If Sonny is the All-Powerful Godfather of the Eastern Seaboard, and wants to get rid of the meddlesome blonde who he has repeatedly said that he wants DEAD and that Avery will NEVER know, this is the opportunity.

 

However, Show cannot allow Hero Sonny to do anything that would, like, follow through with his bad-breath whispered threats. So, he has to humbly and regretfully let Ava live so that he can make more whispered threats.

Conversely, shit cannot happen because shit happens. Ava has to be the conscience decider behind every bad thing with CarSon. That's why Show kept reminding us that Ava threw the lamp at Carly, Ava switched the pills (to have Morgan committed, not because she wanted to break up Kiki/Morgan, these are not the poltpoints you are seeking), and Ava stepped on that butterfly, causing Jake to take direction from Dead!Helena.

After this past episode, I honestly believe that making Dr. O the Bad Guy in the Finn Test Results Swap rather than Brad was a plot patch. The storyline ended on a Friday, just before the Nurses Ball, and if they originally had Brad as the guilty party, today's dialogue would make more sense. Otherwise, Hayden and Finn would still be wondering who would be tampering, and that fourth result would come back bad, so it would be a plot point hanging. However, there was just baby talk and Finn and Hayden moving into a new house (gee, I wonder how Finn could afford THAT. *suppress #TeamBrad rage*)

Edited June 2, 2017 by NutmegsDad
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[Mrs. Stanwyck]

18 hours ago, tveyeonyou said:

Also, Ava threw the damn lamp on the floor, we all saw it happen, she did not throw it at Carly no matter how many times Carson says otherwise.

Just like we saw Carly pull away and fall down the stairs - AJ did NOT push her.  Based on history, I don't think Carson's infuriating version of events will be going anywhere.

[tvgoddess]

7 hours ago, P3pp3rb1rd said:

And remember 'way back when she was slowly undoing the knot in Morgan's bathrobe belt?

Not that it matters, but it was the other way around. He undid her robe.

[peachmangosteen]

11 hours ago, tvgoddess said:

I'm glad I got Jerome sibs in before Julian inevitably turns on Ava, like he always does. But it was nice for the time being. I've always liked their complicated relationship dynamic.

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This. I kinda hate myself for it but I still really love Julian/Ava and their sweetly twisted relationship.

[Sake614]

2 hours ago, NutmegsDad said:

Finn and Hayden moving into a new house (gee, I wonder how Finn could afford THAT. *suppress #TeamBrad rage*)

Even without the money from his cure, Finn is a doctor. If he had the means to stay in a hotel for the past year, he certainly had the means to buy a house. Brad is a lab tech. There's a huge difference in salary there.

[TeeVee329]

I agree, but the juxtaposition between Dr. Michael Easton easily being able to buy a house and Brad (and off-screen Lucas) trying to scape together enough cash to buy a condo doesn't seem accidental.

That said, I think the show is setting Dr. Michael Easton up for a fall.  He's got Rebecca Budig, he's got a baby on the way, he's got a house.  Something bad is going to happen to him for sure, that's just soap math.  And whatever it is will probably knock him off the wagon. #eyeroll

Edited June 2, 2017 by TeeVee329

[tvgoddess]

Rebecca Budig and Dr. Michael Easton don't really have all that much chemistry. When they first got together, they were tolerable as a couple. Now, they're just as boring as Siam was.

Edited June 2, 2017 by tvgoddess

[stlbf]

4 hours ago, NutmegsDad said:

 However, there was just baby talk and Finn and Hayden moving into a new house (gee, I wonder how Finn could afford THAT. *suppress #TeamBrad rage*)

Meh. Finn is a doctor. An expensive specialist who seems to concentrate on research and development. So I'm sure he already holds several patents which allows for him to stay in expensive fancy hotels. Brad runs the lab and Lucas is supposed to be an E/R doctor. E/R doctors don't bring home what specialists do.

You know what would be great? If we actually get to see Brad and Lucas discuss(and perhaps argue)  over money and their respective dreams of their future. Maybe Lucas doesn't want a big house or cars. Maybe he wants to live cheap, spend money/time on charity work and travel. 

And jesus, if Sonny is allowed to get Dante a house secretly, why can't Julian? Or have Bobbie or Lucas mention that Tony left Lucas money in his estate. But that he can't touch it until he is 30/35 for whatever reason.

[dubbel zout]

Only Sonny is allowed gestures of largesse.

[TeeVee329]

17 minutes ago, stlbf said:

You know what would be great? If we actually get to see Brad and Lucas discuss(and perhaps argue)  over money and their respective dreams of their future. Maybe Lucas doesn't want a big house or cars. Maybe he wants to live cheap, spend money/time on charity work and travel. 

And jesus, if Sonny is allowed to get Dante a house secretly, why can't Julian? Or have Bobbie or Lucas mention that Tony left Lucas money in his estate. But that he can't touch it until he is 30/35 for whatever reason.

We did hear, ever so briefly, that Brad wants them to have kids, but Lucas doesn't because he's worried of the danger being associated with Julian might bring on said kids.  Naturally, we didn't see the conversation between husbands, just Lucas off-handedly mentioning it to Sam. #eyeroll

And I've too thought about Lucas asking Julian, or even Carly, for a loan towards a house, but in my head, I've decided that he doesn't want to any mob-associated money.

But again, I shouldn't have to do the assuming and theorizing, we should be seeing this stuff on-screen.

Edited June 2, 2017 by TeeVee329

[ciarra]

Speaking of money, how did Dante and Lulu afford the exclusive preschool that Avery is signed up for? (I assume Lulu never payed back the money she borrowed from Nik to buy the Haunted Star.  And they perma-"borrowed" the money from Sonny to pay Maxie for being a surrogate.  But still, a cop's salary doesn't go that far.)

[ulkis]

3 minutes ago, ciarra said:

Speaking of money, how did Dante and Lulu afford the exclusive preschool that Avery is signed up for? (I assume Lulu never payed back the money she borrowed from Nik to buy the Haunted Star.  And they perma-"borrowed" the money from Sonny to pay Maxie for being a surrogate.  But still, a cop's salary doesn't go that far.)

I don't know if it was supposed to be that exclusive. The reason Ava and Sonny couldn't get Avery in at first because the woman knew they were degenerates, and then Sonny convinced her that wasn't the case.

Edited June 2, 2017 by ulkis

[dubbel zout]

I think the school is supposed to be exclusive—otherwise, why would Sonny care so much—but not so exclusive that Sonny can't bribe Avery's way in. (IMO, a truly exclusive school would want absolutely nothing to do with Sonny, no matter how much money he has. How else can a school prove it's exclusive?)

Dante and Lulu can likely afford it for Rocco because they have no mortgage. I can also see Laura helping out a bit, or maybe Nik paid Rocco's tuition.

[tvgoddess]

42 minutes ago, ulkis said:

I don't know if it was supposed to be that exclusive. The reason Ava and Sonny couldn't get Avery in at first because the woman knew they were degenerates, and then Sonny convinced her that wasn't the case.

Of course he did. When did this crap air? Glad I missed it.

[ulkis]

It was . . . it feels like ages ago but it was probably last week lol. No probably early last month.

[LexieLily]

Because Valentin had sole custody of Charlotte, when he goes to prison Lulu will have to fight for custody of her daughter or else Charlotte will become a ward of the state and go to a foster family? That's not how it works. Even if the state decides that for whatever reason Charlotte's mother and her mother's family has no legal right to Charlotte, Charlotte has family in town on her paternal side that could take her in. Or is Claudette legally still seen as Charlotte's mother?

Lulu, I love you and want you to have Charlotte, but you were dumb today. Why TELL Valentin that he is about to be arrested and let Charlotte see him? I get that she was trying to get Valentin to do the right thing for Charlotte's sake, but she shouldn't be surprised that Valentin took off with her. 

[CreamedPeas]

Do any of these people have and use peep holes on their doors before flinging open their doors to murderers or anyone else they don't want to see? 

[TeeVee329]

Rolled my eyes so hard at Carly saying she likes going to Dunkin' Corinthos because it makes her feel close to Morgan.  I get that the denouncement about the pills just happened, but not everything on this stupid show has to be about Morgan.  I'm drawing the line at crappy coffee.

And we have Anna literally saying she blames Alex more than she does Valentin.  These fuckin' writers, I can't!

[Linny]

Kiki and Sonny made today's race for Biggest Asshole in Town a close one. Shut up, Kiki, for acting like Avery would be so much better off growing up surrounded by Sonny's business than anywhere near her mother. Fuck off, Sonny, for continuing the habit of depriving a parent of their child. I hate him so much.

I missed Julian and Alexis about like I'd miss a rock in my shoe, and I have zero tolerance for yet another discussion about their toxic relationship. I'd rather watch an entire hour of this silly Man Landers nonsense than five minutes of Julian and Alexis.

Lulu's heart was in the right place, but she played herself by giving Valentin a heads up. She should have been smarter than that.

I don't know what's worse, Morgan being alive and bouncing between depression and mania, or Morgan being dead and everyone constantly weeping over him. But for nearly a year now the dominant storylines have revolved around him, and I'm so tired of it. Neither Morgan's life nor his death is worth all this attention. 

[ciarra]

I thought it was a preschool for the 1%. 

[dubbel zout]

Do they keep conscious people on ventilators?

Color me surprised Sonny seemed genuine when he told Lauren he was sorry what she was going through with Ava. I'm also a bit shocked he explained things so calmly. I hated Lauren commiserating with Sonny about how terrible Ava is, though. Ugh.

LOL at André sort of making the pill switcheroo about him: "Look what I might have done wrong!"

6 minutes ago, Linny said:

She should have been smarter than that.

When is Lulu ever smart when it comes to Charlotte? She's always sabotaging things. On another note, that kitchen set is so industrial looking. Lulu has never been much of a cook, so it's kind of funny.