Episode Discussion: TFGH

[Syndicate]

Both Maxie and myself looked baffled when Griffin told her that "he owes him (Nathan) that much" when Maxie asked him if he was going to save the life of her fiancée. I kept thinking "Griffin, the man allegedly tried to kill you." I get it that Griffin has a job to do because doctors take an oath to help ALL, but don't SAY that you owe a man something after he tried to murder you. I can't believe he actually feels THAT guilty for sleeping with Nathan's wife. Griffin is a strange one!

Edited May 11, 2016 by Syndicate

[Francie]

Breaking news -- the picture on Anna's desk is indeed of a dog. A corgi. A painted corgi at that.  

http://imasoapfan.blogspot.com/2016/04/anna-devanes-mysterious-dog-in-the-union-jack-frame-gh.html

[P3pp3rb1rd]

LOL that the ER tech let Nathan's head and neck wobble without any stabilization while whipping the table into the nearest exam room. Nathan supposedly has a serious head wound requiring surgery, but the EMS failed to support his head and neck by strapping that part of his body to a board. And Dante's pen wound must have penetrated the heart sac unless he was wearing a bullet-proof vest.

Anna is a complete lunatic, running down to the docks in a deja vu scenario, threatening Carlos with a gun while alone without backup. I found myself cheering Carlos in his fight with Anna, relishing every painful blow he managed to land on her. I just hope it knocked some sense into our post-WSB grandmother. And who's gonna rescue her, if Griffin is operating and Jason is "remembering" with Sam?

So now Sonny is being propped as a good cook? Most all of the food on the table next to Carly looked like raw veggies with a few slices of deli turkey. And Carly didn't appear to be eating anything, anyway.

Today's whole ep was a painfully awkward trainwreck.

Edited May 11, 2016 by P3pp3rb1rd

[Aurora2]

16 hours ago, LeftPhalange said:

So Julian is about to be killed off, right? That's what's happening here?

Too bad Carlos didn't make himself useful and kill tree dead. 

STFU Maxie. 

Carlos is dumb as hell for showing up at the docks where most PC residents hang out on a regular basis. 

STFU Anna.

Wasn't Dante originally stabbed in the chest? Now today the stab wound is in his shoulder?

Jason telling Sam that he has his memory back should have been a huge moment but instead felt anti-climatic.Whatever. At least this nightmare is finally over. . 

FWIW, Dante's stab wound always appeared to be in the shoulder.  The only difference I saw was that the pen seemed to be more deeply imbedded in the hospital scenes than when he was cuddling with Jason on the road.  A rough transport with paramedics maybe??   BTW, my new favorite ship is #Jante!!  

[LeftPhalange]

17 hours ago, FilmTVGeek80 said:

If Claudette were just some past relationship, then I'd 100% agree (instead of just 50%) that Maxie probably should just let it go because it doesn't concern her. She doesn't need to know, or meet, everyone in Nathan's past. But I do think lies in relationships matter. If it's no big deal, and just in the past, why lie about it? We've seen from Nathan's talks with Obrecht that he does feel like this is something huge that could destroy his relationship with Maxie. It's probably something stupid and lame and boring, because this is Nathan we're talking about - but since this could effect his relationship, he owes it to Maxie to tell her - especially before proposing.

Maxie should just breakup with tree since she doesn't seem to trust him. Her dumb stupid ass shouldn't have accepted his proposal in the first place. 

[Asp Burger]

I don't care for Billy Miller's verison of Jason, but he and Dominic Zamprogna had nice chemistry. Better than DZ has with either of the actors who play Michael and Morgan.  

[ulkis]

17 minutes ago, Asp Burger said:

I don't care for Billy Miller's verison of Jason, but he and Dominic Zamprogna had nice chemistry. Better than DZ has with either of the actors who play Michael and Morgan.  

Another reason he should have been Lucky!

[dubbel zout]

12 hours ago, Cheyanne11 said:

And since when did Sam do a 180 on Julian?

I know! Wasn't it just last week she was saying how it was every child of divorce's dream to have married parents? This change is more jarring to me than Julian now being totally OMG TEH EVUL, as at least the show went back and forth on that. But Sam has been pretty understanding about Julian's actions until now. Suddenly she's getting disgusted by it all? Sorry, I can't buy it.

Edited May 11, 2016 by dubbel zout

[ulkis]

7 minutes ago, dubbel zout said:

I know! Wasn't it just last week she was saying how it was every child of divorce's dream to have married parents? This change is more jarring to me than Julian now being totally OMG TEH EVUL, as at least the show went back and forth on that. But Sam has been pretty understanding about Julian's actions until now. Suddenly she's getting disgusted by it all? Sorry, I can't buy it.

But he shot Kristina's father!!

[33kaitykaity]

The look in Jason's eyes at the end as he and Sam hug looked like fury and rage to me.  Interesting choice.

1:12.

[rur]

1 hour ago, dubbel zout said:

I know! Wasn't it just last week she was saying how it was every child of divorce's dream to have married parents? This change is more jarring to me than Julian now being totally OMG TEH EVUL, as at least the show went back and forth on that. But Sam has been pretty understanding about Julian's actions until now. Suddenly she's getting disgusted by it all? Sorry, I can't buy it.

Sam spent the better part of the first year that Julian was around treating him like gum on the bottom of her shoe unless she wanted something from him, and then she became all faux sweetness and light -- only until she got what she wanted from him.  So part of this is just her reverting to type, IMO. 

[Oracle42]

Meh. I don't care about Julian. I don't think the casting for that character works and he hasn't really been shown building a relationship with any of his children so...

I think WdV would've been great as Derek Wells - slightly smarmy newspaper owner but he doesn't work (for me) as Julian.

12 minutes ago, 33kaitykaity said:

The look in Jason's eyes at the end as he and Sam hug looked like fury and rage to me.  Interesting choice.

 

1:12.

 

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[ulkis]

12 minutes ago, 33kaitykaity said:

The look in Jason's eyes at the end as he and Sam hug looked like fury and rage to me.  Interesting choice.

 

1:12.

Maybe he finally started feeling the internal bleeding that probably started because he decided to (how did she know was there?) to Julexis' house instead of the friggin' hospital??

[ciarra]

What a remarkable recovery time for Jason.  One minute he's hallucinating dead people (and living people) and then next, paramedics are allowing him to leave a crash scene untreated, where he takes off on his (busted?) motorcycle to see Sam?  Maybe he is just as robotic as SB's Jason, and the paramedics plugged him into a phone recharger and he was good to go. 

[Oracle42]

I kinda wonder how many stops he made before finding Sam at Alexis's house?

[amaranta]

THIS is how Jason gets his memories back?  Really?  Another blow to the head, a few hallucinations of the women in his life ... and Sonny?  It's like the writers just said screw it, let's finally get this over with.  Which I'm glad for, it was way past time.  But it's the most anti-climactic ending that ever anti-climacticed.

And if his remembering leads to him heading to Sonny, entering the house and basically saying "Honey, I'm home!" I'm going to want to hurt somebody.

[ulkis]

19 minutes ago, Oracle42 said:

I kinda wonder how many stops he made before finding Sam at Alexis's house?

That was just so bizarre. Why did Sam just randomly drop in the middle of the night to her parents' house of perpetual sexy fun times. Did no one tell her about the bathtub that can be transported to the middle of the living room???

[HeatLifer]

9 minutes ago, ulkis said:

That was just so bizarre. Why did Sam just randomly drop in the middle of the night to her parents' house of perpetual sexy fun times. Did no one tell her about the bathtub that can be transported to the middle of the living room???

I thought it was more weird that Danny was sleeping at the Q's for no reason. They really need to stop using that excuse when it's not necessary. Sam was available. And it goes along with me being pissed that Danny was recast for the 86th time. They need to allow KeMo to bond with the kid who is playing her child. They haven't done this at all and it's ridic. 

Edited May 11, 2016 by HeatLifer

[Bishop]

2 hours ago, Asp Burger said:

I don't care for Billy Miller's verison of Jason, but he and Dominic Zamprogna had nice chemistry. Better than DZ has with either of the actors who play Michael and Morgan.  

I agree about BM but not about DZ.  I mean DZ just layed on the ground, and so I didn't see much chemistry or interaction going on there.  I think DZ had great chemistry with Chad (in particular) and also Brian, but that's only if and when the writers allow him to be in scenes with his other brothers.  

 

54 minutes ago, 33kaitykaity said:

The look in Jason's eyes at the end as he and Sam hug looked like fury and rage to me.  Interesting choice.

 

1:12.

I swear, everything about Jakeson is "off."  WHy on earth would he be thinking or feeling THAT way when he's finally reunited with his wife and is suppose to remember everything?  I mean, did anyone see joy on his face or relief or anything of that sort?  I sure didn't, and then when he had that pensive look on his face at the end, it took me out of the moment - which wasn't much to speak of in the first place.  I think BM is just a bad fit all the way around.  I don't think he has chemistry with any of his co-stars except maybe with KMc, but that's probably because KMc sells her scenes.  I feel like BM just goes through the motions.

Edited May 11, 2016 by Bishop

[ulkis]

10 minutes ago, Bishop said:

I agree about BM but not about DZ.  I mean DZ just layed on the ground, and so I didn't see much chemistry or interaction going on there. 

Did you see yesterday when they were cuddling and whispering sweet nothings into each other's ears?

[Aurora2]

26 minutes ago, ulkis said:

Did you see yesterday when they were cuddling and whispering sweet nothings into each other's ears?

I know.  Weren't they adorable!!! 

[dubbel zout]

1 hour ago, Oracle42 said:

I think WdV would've been great as Derek Wells - slightly smarmy newspaper owner

I much preferred him as Derek, especially when he was in DGAF mode. I think "slightly smarmy newspaper owner" has a lot more potential than Sonny Foe #44,353,456,556,768,567,546.

[Chairperson Meow]

9 minutes ago, dubbel zout said:

I much preferred him as Derek, especially when he was in DGAF mode. I think "slightly smarmy newspaper owner" has a lot more potential than Sonny Foe #44,353,456,556,768,567,546.

Show doesn't need the Mob it has.    It's 2016.   The people running underground clubs are hipsters, and those clubs are artisnal craft cafés.   The strip clubs are classy burlesque places that wouldn't allow Sonny nor Morgan anywhere nearby.  Maybe Michael since he's sad and lonely, but he'd get banned for eventual stalking. About 50 bloggers would've outted Sonny as a mobster by now.   Wtf do they think?  That we believe they have speakeasys?  No.  You can't try to be all "We're going to cover breastfeeding in public for 5 years, but we'll also have mobsters!"  No.  

[RedheadZombie]

Has Billy Miller always been out of shape?  I really didn't notice until a scene in which Franco and Jason were standing face to face.  RH is eleven years older than BM, yet he stays in great shape.  Whereas BM looks so unappealing to me.  It doesn't help that he always has to be in a leather jacket, which leaves him looking bigger and sweatier.  Original Jason had a tendency to plump up, but he was aware of his shirtless scenes, and would work out in anticipation.  It just irritates me that BM is allowed to look this this, when the actors playing Sam and Elizabeth weigh ninety pounds maximum.  I tuned in yesterday after not watching for days, and thought - who's that big chubby guy hauling around that tiny little man?  I don't buy (at all) that BM could survive a motorcycle accident, pick up vehicles to save Dante, and whatever other crap he supposedly did.  He looked like he was struggling to haul around 120 pound Dante.

I'm aware my comments are completely superficial.  But I don't think a female romantic lead would be allowed to be overweight and sweaty.  I live in fear of him stripping for a bed scene with Sam.

[dubbel zout]

This has really been Ghost Week. First Helena and Robin (though she's not dead), now Duke. 

As has been mentioned before, Miller takes prednisone for a medical condition. Steroids often cause weight gain/water retention. There's not much he can do about it.

[Lillybee]

At least BM isn't getting the SK treatment.

[RedheadZombie]

3 minutes ago, dubbel zout said:

This has really been Ghost Week. First Helena and Robin (though she's not dead), now Duke. 

As has been mentioned before, Miller takes prednisone for a medical condition. Steroids often cause weight gain/water retention. There's not much he can do about it.

Well now that makes me sad.  I wouldn't have commented if I'd known.  They can help the guy out by letting him shed the stupid leather jacket.

[TeeVee329]

I dunno how Helena would feel about her dagger being used to kill a common mobster.  Although I guess the pain this situation will no doubt bring Alexis would make her smile.

Edited May 11, 2016 by TeeVee329

[Oracle42]

13 minutes ago, dubbel zout said:

I much preferred him as Derek, especially when he was in DGAF mode. I think "slightly smarmy newspaper owner" has a lot more potential than Sonny Foe #44,353,456,556,768,567,546.

 

It doesn't make any sense for him to be Julian. It was another one of RC's LOOK!HISTORY!!11! moments that was then completely divorced from that history. Julian barely interacted with Duke/Anna, there was never a reveal regarding his complicity in Duke's decades long imprisonment and he looked completely wrong for every relationship that he had onscreen - as the older guy who knocked up high school Alexis, as Lucas and Sam's father, as Duke/Anna's contemporary and adversary.

I think the only relationship that he has that actually works is as Ava's sibling  and the writing for that relationship has been uneven, at best.

[Lillybee]

Why did Julian use Alexis' dagger to kill Carlos, was he trying to frame her?

[Mrs OldManBalls]

2 minutes ago, TeeVee329 said:

I dunno how Helena would feel about her dagger being used to kill a common mobster.

I thought the same thing at first, but I think if she knew Carlos, she would have found him worthy to die with that blade. 

Peace out JVP. I hope you get to have fun again someday with another character on a show that doesn't sacrifice any, every and all characters to a "good" "honourable" mobster. 

 

Maybe now Anna will stop bleating about Duke?

[ulkis]

57 minutes ago, dubbel zout said:

This has really been Ghost Week. First Helena and Robin (though she's not dead), now Duke. 

As has been mentioned before, Miller takes prednisone for a medical condition. Steroids often cause weight gain/water retention. There's not much he can do about it.

I just . . . I find it hard to believe that none of the women who have been on this show never had to take a medication that has the same or similar effects as prednisone. I don't think they would ever let an actress BM's age get away with the extra pounds, prednisone or no. But maybe I'm wrong and none of the actresses have ever had to take something that caused it.

And all the men look like they're not working out as much as the women with the exception of Ryan Paevey and Chad Duell. (ETA and Will de Vry). And supposedly Billy likes to party? (anyone hear anything about that?) like I said, I find it hard to believe BM's physique is purely due to the medication. But obviously, I don't know for sure. I just wish the women were allowed some of the same leeway.

1 hour ago, RedheadZombie said:

 He looked like he was struggling to haul around 120 pound Dante.

Well, like you said, Dante is tiny, heh.

Edited May 11, 2016 by ulkis

[rur]

19 minutes ago, Mrs OldManBalls said:

Maybe now Anna will stop bleating about Duke?

I was so hoping that Duke would tell her to end her #justiceforduke crusade. But, alas, that's the one thing that didn't come up in their conversation. (And yes, I know, he was a figment of her imagination and she won't give it up, but geez, writers, the rest of us are tired of it!)

[HeatLifer]

Billy looks damn good to me and I would never call him fat or overweight, but I understand people see things differently. More for me. :)

[dubbel zout]

3 minutes ago, Mrs OldManBalls said:

I think if [Helena] knew Carlos, she would have found him worthy to die with that blade. 

Same here. Carlos deserved a suitably soapy method of death. RIP, you crazy diamond. (Assuming Carlos is really dead, that is.)

LOL at Avery's cries. She's too old to sound like that. They must have one tape of a baby crying and use it no matter how old the kid is. And wow, can Carly pander or what?

"Dad did not survive this long by being stupid." I disagree with you, Michael. Vehemently. 

[WendyCR72]

5 minutes ago, dubbel zout said:

"Dad did not survive this long by being stupid." I disagree with you, Michael. Vehemently. 

Now you know the audience is being trolled. It has to be.

[ulkis]

51 minutes ago, Lillybee said:

Why did Julian use Alexis' dagger to kill Carlos, was he trying to frame her?

No, Alexis took his gun, so he just grabbed the only thing he could while Alexis' back was turned. He might not have even realized what the significance was. Not that that will matter if he just says nothing if Alexis is implicated because of it.

Sonny: thank God Dante's alright

Carly: Thank God Jason was there!

Sonny: Carlos stabbed my son! (no mention of the other man who died or was hurt) I shoulda killed him!

Good job, scriptwriter, on encapsulating Sonny and Carly in two seconds.

Why does off-screen Dante even bother telling Sonny not to go after Carlos?

It's the middle of the night, she's at home, and she's STILL in that damn dress. Put on some goddamn pajamas, Carly. Maybe some sweat pants?

lol poor Carlos. He was all "I'm wet!" But sorry Carlos, that dock and roll was not as good as Jason's dock and roll.

I don't know if it was intentional humor but the guard yelling "time's up!" just as Franco asked Heather (Heather Mattson (?) looked great) how to get Nina back between the sheets. Er, also, did they realize they set up a comparison between Nina and homicidal Heather?

Oh yes, Dillon and Kiki are telling Nina Franco is psycho without her and advising her to go back to him? What shitty friends. Dillon's face made me laugh after Nina kept going on about how awesome she and Franco were under the covers.

Duke and Anna have no romantic chemistry. He just looks so stiff in his suits. Still. I can't imagine him unbending. Did they ever show him post-coital during his last stint? I forget. I know he danced with Emma but that's different.

Still wondering what the hell happened with de Vry that they are writing Julian into a corner.

[ciarra]

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Still wondering what the hell happened with de Vry that they are writing Julian into a corner.

And why couldn't it be Ava?  They always manage to save her after writing her into a corner.  Is it just because Julian can't have Sonny's baby?

[Perkie]

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Put on some goddamn pajamas, Carly. Maybe some sweat pants?

Or maybe the black negligee Nina had on in her freakin' office??!!

I know men only think with their small brain, but Franco, I'm pretty sure "grand gesture" didn't mean stand naked in my girlfriend's office.

Julian grabbing the dagger will come back and bite him in the ass.  I get why he took it but assuming Carlos' body is found (and not dumped in the water never to be seen again), I'm pretty sure an intelligent coroner will figure out what kind of weapon it was.  

[TeeVee329]

7 minutes ago, ulkis said:

No, Alexis took his gun, so he just grabbed the only thing he could while Alexis' back was turned. He might not have even realized what the significance was. Not that that will matter if he just says nothing if Alexis is implicated because of it.

I'm pretty sure, right when Natasha got her gift from Helena, she showed it to Julian and told him what the deal was.

[ulkis]

2 minutes ago, TeeVee329 said:

I'm pretty sure, right when Natasha got her gift from Helena, she showed it to Julian and told him what the deal was.

She did, but I don't think he was thinking that far ahead. He was looking for anything to sneak in.

[TeeVee329]

Oh, I didn't really get the vibe he was trying to frame Alexis or anything.  It was just a stupid soap contrivance that he wouldn't have been able to pick up some kind of weapon on his way to the docks.

[Chairperson Meow]

56 minutes ago, HeatLifer said:

Billy looks damn good to me and I would never call him fat or overweight, but I understand people see things differently. More for me. :)

Word.  Also, Billy Miller works out at Frank's gym.    Gosh, you guys.  He's not off making cooking shows online or writing books about how to be a modern gentleman like Sean Kanaan.  Heaven forbid any producer get behind that kind of behavior when there's online threats to push.  I do think the leather needs to go all around.   It's just not a good look.    I hate when KeMo wears it.   She's too goregous for it.  I also get mad when they mess up Chad's hair and don't let him wear suits or put him in scenes where he's nice to Sonny.   They have finally learned to style Michael Easton, thank God.  

[ulkis]

12 minutes ago, TeeVee329 said:

Oh, I didn't really get the vibe he was trying to frame Alexis or anything.  It was just a stupid soap contrivance that he wouldn't have been able to pick up some kind of weapon on his way to the docks.

I dunno, I thought that too but then for once it actually makes sense. He doesn't have time, the cops can get to Carlos at any minute, and there might not be any weaponry on the way. I suppose he could pick up a big rock like Carlos. 

[Francie]

1 hour ago, TeeVee329 said:

I dunno how Helena would feel about her dagger being used to kill a common mobster.  Although I guess the pain this situation will no doubt bring Alexis would make her smile.

Well, she had to have known, when she willed it to Alexis, that any use of it would have been as inglorious as Alexis's lover using it to kill an associate of his. 

Helena may have hoped for more, but she certainly couldn't have expected anything better. 

[tvgoddess]

27 minutes ago, ciarra said:

And why couldn't it be Ava?  They always manage to save her after writing her into a corner.  Is it just because Julian can't have Sonny's baby?

Because of me. :) Although I'm at the point where I want more for Maura, her writing is abysmal. And she's never even on anymore. Nice way to treat your Emmy winners from last year, Show.

[Bill C.]

I was only 1/4 watching today, so I missed Julian grabbing a knife after being cockblocked by Alexis and the PCPD and not getting to take his gun...and now that I realize he actually grabbed Helena's dagger, it actually gets worse.  Even for steady mobbin' and its admittedly, blatantly, fucked up morality, how do they walk Julian back from this and what's inevitably coming next?  Why is he going under the bus now?

Meanwhile, Nina and Franco and Heather and his painting of '70s-era Stevie Nicks and suddenly naked Fran--*blacks out*

[tvgoddess]

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Heather Mattson (?)

Robin Mattson.

[Chairperson Meow]

So, is Will DeVry getting Ted King'd?  

[One Tough Cookie]

I KNEW the moment he grabbed the dagger Julian would go Ramsey Bolton on Carlos.  I would rather have Carlos Bolton Julian because I can NEVER get enough of him and his Man Pain.

rip ya crazy bastard.