Caitlyn Jenner: Call Me Caitlyn

[mwell345]

Caitlyn Jenner Reportedly to Pose Nude for SI Cover with Olympic Medal, USA Flag

"Dana Rose Falcone of Us Weekly reported Wednesday a source confirmed the former track and field superstar will appear on the cover wearing "nothing but an American flag and her Olympic medal." It's the first time she'll pose with the medal since completing her gender transition in 2015.

The source told Us that Jenner, who's called the medal her "most prized possession," is happy about the opportunity: "She's excited about that.""

If she wants to pose nude, fine - whatever, but not with the American Flag.  (As far as the medal goes, it's hers and if she wants to cheapen it, that's her choice).

She just gets worse and worse. And she can stop with the "helping people to understand transgenders".  This is Caitlyn bringing attention to Caitlyn.  Nothing more.
 

[GaT]

Holy crap, Kim is guiding Caitlyn's career. She can't possibly be planning on going full frontal, is she?

[iwasish]

43 minutes ago, GaT said:

Holy crap, Kim is guiding Caitlyn's career. She can't possibly be planning on going full frontal, is she?

Didn't Kris strike the same pose in a private photoshoot? Including the medal. 

Is Caitlyn going to be coy and cover up her bits with the medal? 

[GaT]

3 minutes ago, iwasish said:

Is Caitlyn going to be coy and cover up her bits 

Please dear God yes.

[Maysie]

Boy, what a piece of sensationalistic crap (specifically meaning SI). First of all, I'd bet everything I own that she won't be "naked" on the cover. From what I understand, if SI wants to be considered non-pornographic (and is it willing to make that leap for Caitlyn Jenner???), it can't show nipples, genitals or full ass on the cover. I don't think SI could actually do full frontal and sell the thing as it normally would, unless it's wrapped/treated like other garden variety porn. 

My bet is that she'll be wrapped in/covered by/draped in the flag, with the medal somewhere prominently displayed. I bet there will be some cleave showing, as well as other body parts (the ones she feels will look good or photoshop well, such as a toned arm or leg). She and the magazine know that literally wrapping/draping herself in the flag would generate a TON of publicity. Everyone would talk about it - people would be offended that a) the flag was used to wrap up any naked body; b) that the flag was used to wrap a transgendered person's naked body and c) that she's not really naked as sold, because let's face it: SI is pimping this as a naked Caitlyn.

The other option is that she may do a bit of an old school Demi Moore thing, where she really is naked, turned strategically with her hands/medal/flag placed just so, so part of her ass and boobs are showing, but not enough that you can call her full frontal nude.

My cynical self says that everyone wants to know how far Caitlyn has gone in her transition and I feel like SI and Caitlyn are playing to that curiosity. I find that creepy and exploitative by all involved, including Caitlyn. And of course she'll trot out the Empowerment claims, and the True Self claims and all that bullshit. I see it as opportunistic, particularly coming up on the summer Olympics (are we at Jenner's 40th anniversary or something?).

If Jenner wants to show her pride at winning her medal and move the transgender cause forward, she'll keep herself clothed. If no one involved can think of a classy way to beautifully/flatteringly photograph her with a flag and her medal, it seems to me that SI needs another creative/art director. I don't see how being any degree of naked on the cover will promote the transgender cause. It will promote anger, defensiveness, divisiveness, headlines and clicks, and I think that the last two are what she and SI are really after here because it's money in the bank for both of them.

God, she just gets worse. I don't like any of this family, but I have to say, at least the Kardashian side doesn't pretend to chase their fame in the name of some greater good. They like being rich and famous and they own it. I'm not getting that vibe from Caitlyn Jenner and shit like this is why I feel that way.

Wake me when it's over.

[kokapetl]

That flag will be like a blanket, we might see a leg posed Angelina Jolie style. 

[Crucial]

Spoiler

Caitlyn should have just used the Kaitlyn for her name.  She's just as fame hungry for the photos of being all glammed out, dressed in designers, hair and make up perfect, and now this with SI.  Saying if she wants to pose nude, fine.  What does being naked prove exactly? For me, it proves she will do this for her ego.  All this is to show that her whole reason is to prove that it's about being sexy, glamorous, and being a Kardashian.  That's what this family does - want to be on a cover being sexy. Congrats Caitlyn you did it now!  You are Kaitlyn Kardashian.  I've yet to see anything she's done to help her community.  Only thing I see is her pics going to premieres, shows, and now a cover shoot.  What a shame, she could be a strong voice but only thing I see is another fame hungry Kardashian wanting to cash in for their own benefit.  I hate when the flag is used like this for photo shoots.

Edited May 5, 2016 by Crucial

[millennium]

I'm sorry, but I don't get the national delusion that Jenner is an attractive woman.   Is it just that she's got the superficial prerequisites checked off -- big tits, long hair, expensive clothes, etc?     

We all knew this was coming in some form or another.   

Want to bet it costs SI some subscriptions?

Edited May 5, 2016 by millennium
In my disgust I misspoke.

[GaT]

I'm surprised they don't put her on the cover of the swimsuit issue, wouldn't that be even more publicity?

[Marley]

Caitlyn is really the worst. I gave her the benefit of the doubt at first but she's nothing but a famewhore. I need to see people stop praising her(some have, but there needs to be more), because she doesn't give a shit about her so called community. 

Has she given any money to any transgender groups? I'm curious.

Im totally convinced now that she only transitioned for attention.

[millennium]

I would like to know when her fifteen minutes will finally end.

Her show tanked in Season 1, then Season 2 premiered with even lower ratings.  I imagine the rest of the season did even worse.  (Strangely, other than the reports of low ratings for the premiere, there is no information to be found about the ratings of "I Am Cait" Season 2 anywhere on the internet.   I hate to sound conspiracy-minded, but it sounds like someone is sitting on that information.)

She has garnered a ton of bad press in the last year.

She has been disowned by many LGBT people and pundits.

Never mind that she was involved in a woman's death.

And yet, here we are.  Again.

[Kromm]

4 hours ago, Marley said:

Im totally convinced now that she only transitioned for attention.

I doubt that last, and it's pretty dangerous logic. 

That doesn't mean she isn't a shallow, horrible piece of trash, who had ideas going into it about what the transition would be like and about that were built on delusions that included more people paying attention to her, but that being the "only" (or even the main) reason is a seriously messed up thing to attribute to an actual human being making that kind of change to their lifestyle (and inevitably their body). 

To me, with Caitlyn Jenner it's too purposeful, too thoughtful a possibility, for there to have been any intentional plan to transition just to become (re)famous. She was ready, no... ready AND eager to leverage the situation to set herself up as The Transgender Superhero we clearly saw her handlers negotiating press coverage and buying awards for, but I think that was just normal everyday megalomania built on top of something she was already intending to do. Again, it's not like she was even vaguely educated about what it meant, or even vaguely realistic about what being a woman was going to be like, but all we have to do is look at the examples she was surrounded by for decades to see why she had that unrealistic view (as well as the perspective that society was all too willing to reward that brand of femininity).

In the end I think Caitlyn Jenner was essentially a mix of delusional and mercenary, but not one or the other. Both at the same time. 

[millennium]

1 hour ago, Kromm said:

I doubt that last, and it's pretty dangerous logic. 

That doesn't mean she isn't a shallow, horrible piece of trash, who had ideas going into it about what the transition would be like and about that were built on delusions that included more people paying attention to her, but that being the "only" (or even the main) reason is a seriously messed up thing to attribute to an actual human being making that kind of change to their lifestyle (and inevitably their body). 

To me, with Caitlyn Jenner it's too purposeful, too thoughtful a possibility, for there to have been any intentional plan to transition just to become (re)famous. She was ready, no... ready AND eager to leverage the situation to set herself up as The Transgender Superhero we clearly saw her handlers negotiating press coverage and buying awards for, but I think that was just normal everyday megalomania built on top of something she was already intending to do. Again, it's not like she was even vaguely educated about what it meant, or even vaguely realistic about what being a woman was going to be like, but all we have to do is look at the examples she was surrounded by for decades to see why she had that unrealistic view (as well as the perspective that society was all too willing to reward that brand of femininity).

In the end I think Caitlyn Jenner was essentially a mix of delusional and mercenary, but not one or the other. Both at the same time. 

 

Since  we're exchanging theories,  here's mine:  I suspect the opportunist in her played a role in the transition.   I question whether she would have gone through with it had there been no prospect of fame, money and prizes on the other side.    Or without being able to fly luxury class with Annie Liebowitz, Vanity Fair, Diane Sawyer, etc.

Edited May 5, 2016 by millennium

[Kromm]

18 minutes ago, millennium said:

Since  we're exchanging theories,  here's mine:  I suspect the opportunist in her played a role in the transition.   I question whether she would have gone through with it had there been no prospect of fame, money and prizes on the other side.    Or without being able to fly luxury class with Annie Liebowitz, Vanity Fair, Diane Sawyer, etc.

A role? Sure. But I think it's wrong to even go near the logic that someone, even this piece of garbage, did something so radical and at some stage permanent (even her uneducated ass had to know that) ONLY for attention. I know focusing on that word seems nitpicky, but I think it's a very important distinction to make because we live in a world where assholes will see logic like that laid out and use it to try and undermine anyone who's transitioned. The whole dangerous root of an idea that transitioning is some kind of "stunt". That's the kind of thought process that if it's out there WILL be misused. 

The difficult piece of this is that Caitlyn Jenner IS a total clown, an insincere opportunist, who's undeniably leveraging the situation. Even fools can see that by this point--even if there's still a troubling network of media and corporate stooges continuing to market her as a transgender "leader", a brave individual or a glamorous one used to sell things. 

But that's just being a human, and a bad one, and IMO has nothing to do with being transgender. If the then Bruce Jenner had chosen to come out as gay instead (this is a "what if"--I'm not suggesting anything about Caitlyn's current or past sexuality) and stay a man, and went on a "isn't he so brave" media tour based upon that, it would be the same thing, albeit without any permanent surgical side to it. And that's a good example to use for other reasons. I'm perfectly aware that there legitimately ARE transgender people who change their minds or have regrets. But that's another root that can be pulled on to hazard the greater amount who don't. Look what happened with people coming out as gay--a "denial" movement to counter it where people's status as gay was undermined by the logic (used by programs to "un-gay" them) that they simply made a mistake (and usually need to ehem... come back to Jesus... and a wife). 

I don't even want to think about people getting the idea in their heads that someone, even someone as achingly stupid, selfish, and opportunistic as Caitlyn Jenner, might have insincerely transitioned as a stunt. I think even a sub-par human being had to have the idea of being a woman strongly in their head before even considering taking advantage of it in other ways.

Heck, not to get TOO graphic, but lets look at the psychology if it. Some people here may have never had a penis, or strongly never wanted to have one. But I can assure both groups that by default, the idea of getting it chopped off is a deep fear for most men.  While we don't know, and probably shouldn't care, about the current status of Caitlyn Jenner's sexual organs, the very notion that someone would start on a path to someday getting a penis removed would seem to require some real conviction. Unless the argument is actually that Caitlyn always counted on stopping halfway (perhaps never letting anyone in the general public know), or had some backdoor plan to go back. Honestly, those notions stretch credibility a bit.

I think the part of Caitlyn that is primal and not very thoughtful or deep (vs. the part of Caitlyn that is an opportunist) simply always had this very romanticized notion of what it was like to be a woman, and followed up on it based on that.  Then the opportunist in her butted in and decided if she was GOING to be a woman, she might as well try to be the most famous one in the world (thus all the payola and favor trading to brand her when she did it). 

[Kromm]

8 hours ago, millennium said:

Want to bet it costs SI some subscriptions?

Normally I'd say that's unlikely (because on most issues people don't care enough to follow up), but in this case it might apply, simply because I can see people on the right (especially super-religious people) getting their dander up.

It won't have to do with it being Caitlyn Jenner specifically, as sickening as that will be, but rather that their stereotypical male-hetero entertainment is being invaded by "gay stuff" (they'll generalize).

[DangerousMinds]

I wonder how many subscribers dropped Vogue after it started featuring Kartrashians.

[truelovekiss]

God, I  am so sick of Caitlyn. I think she rivals Kylie for being self centered and vain, and I think that's partially because for Caitlyn, these are like her teen years/early 20s. She's just learned to do hair and nails and makeup, and she's getting loads of attention focused on her body and sexuality, which is much more common for younger women than women in their 60s. She surrounds herself with this harem of other trans women who are constantly fawning about how she's the prettiest girl in the squad, which is doing nothing to bring her ego to normal levels. You can tell she loves it whenever anyone asks if she's interested in dating, or anything personal. She loves being asked anything, because it's attention.

[iwasish]

4 minutes ago, truelovekiss said:

God, I  am so sick of Caitlyn. I think she rivals Kylie for being self centered and vain, and I think that's partially because for Caitlyn, these are like her teen years/early 20s. She's just learned to do hair and nails and makeup, and she's getting loads of attention focused on her body and sexuality, which is much more common for younger women than women in their 60s. She surrounds herself with this harem of other trans women who are constantly fawning about how she's the prettiest girl in the squad, which is doing nothing to bring her ego to normal levels. You can tell she loves it whenever anyone asks if she's interested in dating, or anything personal. She loves being asked anything, because it's attention.

She's the alpha female now. Before she was lowest in the pecking order in the Kardashian household (maybe a step ahead of Rob). Now it's all "Follow me girls"!!!!

[Shangrilala]

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She's the alpha female now. Before she was lowest in the pecking order in the Kardashian household (maybe a step ahead of Rob). Now it's all "Follow me girls"!!!!

And let's not forget the load of shit that comes with that "follow me girls!!!" mentality, because if you DON'T follow her, it will have nothing to do with your personal disagreement, personal disinterest, personal lifestyle, personal time, personal feelings, and everything to do with Caitlyn.  That by not following her, you don't support her in her quest to be her true authentic self, you don't support her transgender journey, you don't support her choice, and therefore, you are a bad person.  

[Maysie]

You know, in thinking about this cover, I think it would have far greater impact to have a fully clothed Caitlyn - wearing whatever she feels comfortable, confident, herself in - the medal around her neck and holding the picture of Bruce accepting said medal/doing the victory lap/whatever. I think it would get the point across beautifully and it wouldn't devolve into the Kardashian trick of undressing when it's time to get attention. But no, it has to be nude. It's taking on a side show aspect because of it, too. The emphasis becomes what parts does she have now instead of her journey from the greatest athlete in the world to the world's best known transgendered person.

Epic fail on everyone's part, including SI.

[iwasish]

1 hour ago, Maysie said:

You know, in thinking about this cover, I think it would have far greater impact to have a fully clothed Caitlyn - wearing whatever she feels comfortable, confident, herself in - the medal around her neck and holding the picture of Bruce accepting said medal/doing the victory lap/whatever. I think it would get the point across beautifully and it wouldn't devolve into the Kardashian trick of undressing when it's time to get attention. But no, it has to be nude. It's taking on a side show aspect because of it, too. The emphasis becomes what parts does she have now instead of her journey from the greatest athlete in the world to the world's best known transgendered person.

Epic fail on everyone's part, including SI.

Ever since this whole thing began with Caitlyn, it's just been a matter of time before she posed  semi-nude, or nude. 

[millennium]

3 hours ago, Maysie said:

You know, in thinking about this cover, I think it would have far greater impact to have a fully clothed Caitlyn - wearing whatever she feels comfortable, confident, herself in - the medal around her neck and holding the picture of Bruce accepting said medal/doing the victory lap/whatever. I think it would get the point across beautifully and it wouldn't devolve into the Kardashian trick of undressing when it's time to get attention. But no, it has to be nude. It's taking on a side show aspect because of it, too. The emphasis becomes what parts does she have now instead of her journey from the greatest athlete in the world to the world's best known transgendered person.

Epic fail on everyone's part, including SI.

She's managed to denigrate women and transgender people in one stroke.   For her own vanity   Preposterously, she and the media will spin it as a bold moment in civil rights for the LGBT population.

[millennium]

9 hours ago, Kromm said:

 

It won't have to do with it being Caitlyn Jenner specifically, as sickening as that will be, but rather that their stereotypical male-hetero entertainment is being invaded by "gay stuff" (they'll generalize).

I think I'll disagree here.   If any other transgender athlete were to appear on the cover, in the same way, I suspect the backlash would be less.  Obviously there would be some grumbling.   But Caitlyn Jenner brings something special to the party:

Many people just don't like her.

Not necessarily because she's transgender (although it's probably part of it) but also because she's a smug, self-absorbed asshole who has forced herself upon the public, and continues to do so with no end in sight.   And because she's a phony "leader" whose true motivations are so transparent that even the average person who doesn't follow these issues can see right through her.   

The media's insistence that Jenner be regarded as "beautiful" and "brave" only adds fuel to the fire.   People don't like being told what to think, or made to feel like they're narrow-minded or wrong if their eyes disagree with what they're being told.

Edited May 5, 2016 by millennium

[Artsda]

This feels like something Kim would approve of, bet she's at the shoot. 

[mwell345]

Not surprising, but this is a hot topic on Facebook right now as a number of news outlets are reporting it.  I took a look at the comments and they are overwhelmingly negative.  I really had to look hard for something positive.

Personally, I don't care if she poses nude.  I don't care if she puts the medal around her neck.  My issue is her draping herself with the American flag, which to me is sacred. And I would have the same issue with anyone else doing it.   If she needs a flag, why doesn't she use the Olympic flag?  Or since she lives in Malibu, maybe Malibu Cait could use the Malibu flag.

[millennium]

It appears Sports Illustrated has been sanitizing its Facebook page.   There were some negative reactions to this news posted there yesterday and now they are gone.   Not a word about the upcoming cover to be found there.

[AndySmith]

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I think it would have far greater impact to have a fully clothed Caitlyn - wearing whatever she feels comfortable, confident, herself in - the medal around her neck and holding the picture of Bruce accepting said medal/doing the victory lap/whatever.

That would have been a much better image, too. And if they wanted the image of an American flag, the pattern of the dress could have been the American flag, even if that would haven been more cheesy than disrespectful. I mean heck something like this could have worked:

Minus the belt, of course. But still, so much they could do besides being naked and wearing an actual flag.

Edited May 6, 2016 by AndySmith

[millennium]

5 hours ago, AndySmith said:

That would have been a much better image, too. And if they wanted the image of an American flag, the pattern of the dress could have been the American flag, even if that would haven been more cheesy than disrespectful. I mean heck something like this could have worked:

Minus the belt, of course. But still, so much they could do besides being naked and wearing an actual flag.

 She wouldn't like that.   Jenner nurtures a chauvinistic, sexist viewpoint of what it means to be a woman.    Based on what I've seen so far, her viewpoint has more in common with a crossdresser than a female.

[princelina]

On 5/5/2016 at 9:07 AM, Kromm said:

Normally I'd say that's unlikely (because on most issues people don't care enough to follow up), but in this case it might apply, simply because I can see people on the right (especially super-religious people) getting their dander up.

It won't have to do with it being Caitlyn Jenner specifically, as sickening as that will be, but rather that their stereotypical male-hetero entertainment is being invaded by "gay stuff" (they'll generalize).

 

7 hours ago, mwell345 said:

Personally, I don't care if she poses nude.  I don't care if she puts the medal around her neck.  My issue is her draping herself with the American flag, which to me is sacred. And I would have the same issue with anyone else doing it.   If she needs a flag, why doesn't she use the Olympic flag?  Or since she lives in Malibu, maybe Malibu Cait could use the Malibu flag.

As a religious conservative, this would be the issue that got my dander up :)

[Coffeecup]

8 hours ago, mwell345 said:

Not surprising, but this is a hot topic on Facebook right now as a number of news outlets are reporting it.  I took a look at the comments and they are overwhelmingly negative.  I really had to look hard for something positive.

Personally, I don't care if she poses nude.  I don't care if she puts the medal around her neck.  My issue is her draping herself with the American flag, which to me is sacred. And I would have the same issue with anyone else doing it.   If she needs a flag, why doesn't she use the Olympic flag?  Or since she lives in Malibu, maybe Malibu Cait could use the Malibu flag.

"Malibu Cait,"  LMAO!  That made me think of Malibu Barbie.

I wanted to puke when I heard the news. It's not only disrespectful to the American flag, but also disrespectful to the Olympics. It was a great accomplishment when Jenner won the decathlon, representing years of training, dedication and physical endurance. Why does she want to trivialize that remarkable achievement with a bimbo T&A photo shoot? And why drag down the flag of our country too?

Why has Sports Illustrated sunk to this level of sleaziness?

Edited May 6, 2016 by Coffeecup

[Kromm]

36 minutes ago, Coffeecup said:

"Malibu Cait,"  LMAO!  That made me think of Malibu Barbie.

I wanted to puke when I heard the news. It's not only disrespectful to the American flag, but also disrespectful to the Olympics. It was a great accomplishment when Jenner won the decathlon, representing years of training, dedication and physical endurance. Why does she want to trivialize that remarkable achievement with a bimbo T&A photo shoot? And why drag down the flag of our country too?

Why has Sports Illustrated sunk to this level of sleaziness?

My bet is that they have only in reaction. 

What I mean by that is if this is anything like most of Caitlyn's awards, covers and crossover promotions, it was her people--that crew of super-connected people at CAA--who worked behind the scenes to bring the specific idea (likely already totally packaged up and ready to go) TO Sports Illustrated. This is how it's seemed to happen every time, although there's always a considerable amount of obfuscation to hide the fact from the general public that Caitlyn's representation is hard-press shopping her around as a readership/controversy magnet for hire (well, for the "payment" of getting a lot of creative control, and her own side of the publicity, while the cosmetics company, or magazine, or awards show, or whoever gets their readership or media bump too). It's been an a regular series of deals with the Devil that Camp Caitlyn keeps making with organization after organization. "Do something with me and it will get heavily reported on and we will both benefit". It's a Klassic Kardashian Kaper, actually. They ALL do this.

[millennium]

On 5/6/2016 at 4:55 PM, Kromm said:

My bet is that they have only in reaction. 

What I mean by that is if this is anything like most of Caitlyn's awards, covers and crossover promotions, it was her people--that crew of super-connected people at CAA--who worked behind the scenes to bring the specific idea (likely already totally packaged up and ready to go) TO Sports Illustrated. This is how it's seemed to happen every time, although there's always a considerable amount of obfuscation to hide the fact from the general public that Caitlyn's representation is hard-press shopping her around as a readership/controversy magnet for hire (well, for the "payment" of getting a lot of creative control, and her own side of the publicity, while the cosmetics company, or magazine, or awards show, or whoever gets their readership or media bump too). It's been an a regular series of deals with the Devil that Camp Caitlyn keeps making with organization after organization. "Do something with me and it will get heavily reported on and we will both benefit". It's a Klassic Kardashian Kaper, actually. They ALL do this.

And the media is STILL facilitating it.   I'm seeing opinion pieces now along the lines of "this may be a publicity stunt for Jenner, but she can still be a voice for transgender people."

Thank you, no.   I don't want her voice representing me or my concerns.   Just because she has a lock on the transgender bully pulpit at the moment doesn't mean she's the right person, that her intentions are good, or that she can be trusted not to cause further damage.    If I were a political conservative, I wouldn't be too thrilled about Sarah Palin as the party's standard bearer, if you take my comparison.  

[Coffeecup]

Caitlyn is considering transitioning back to a man?  Huh??? What???

This is an opinion from Ian Halperin, who just published the book “Kardashian Dynasty: The Controversial Rise of America’s Royal Family.” He said it in an interview with The Wrap:

http://www.thewrap.com/caitlyn-jenner-experienced-sex-change-regret-might-de-transition-biographer-says/ "Caitlyn Jenner Experienced ‘Sex Change Regret,’ Might De-Transition, Biographer Says." May 11, 2016

“It hasn’t been easy for Caitlyn, it’s been very hard,” Ian Halperin recalls one source telling him

Caitlyn Jenner, who announced her transition from man to woman last year, has considered de-transitioning, the author of a new book about the Kardashian family told TheWrap on Wednesday...  multiple sources told him that the former Olympian had been miserable for months and has considered transitioning back to a man... Halperin said that one long-time friend told him that, while Jenner was “thrilled” to champion transgender issues, the reality TV personality could de-transition “in the next couple years.” ... According to Halperin, multiple sources close to the Kardashian family told him that Jenner might revert back because she retains her interest in females... Based on his research, Halperin believes that Jenner will de-transition in the next couple of years, telling the public how difficult the transition was, but noting that she was happy to help raise awareness about transgender right

 

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Caitlyn's representative issued a denial through the New York Daily News. The denial is also being covered by mainstream media publications such as the Washington Post, CBS and Fox, as well as MZ, Daily Mail and other tabloids. Examples:

http://www.nydailynews.com/entertainment/gossip/caitlyn-jenner-rep-slams-report-considered-de-transition-article-1.2634440 New York Daily News, "Caitlyn Jenner's rep slams report claiming she has considered de-transitioning: 'Of course its not true.' "

http://www.foxsports.com/college-football/outkick-the-coverage/caitlyn-jenner-may-be-rejoining-the-man-team-051216 "Caitlyn Jenner May Be Rejoining the Man Team"

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Well, I suspect Halperin said this because he wanted to get some more attention and sales for his book. As to whether the rumor is true, all we can do is wait and see.

 

 

 

 

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[laurakaye]

Caitlyn has been miserable for months...huh.  Couldn't be because she's pushing her family away, she only has a couple of friends who can stand her, and social media is raking her over the coals for being an obnoxious and close-minded "representation" for the transgender community, could it?  While her transition was certainly the best thing for her, if she wants to chronicle her life and become a voice, she needs to put some heart and soul into her journey and not worry quite so much about the designer bag she's carrying or what color lipgloss goes with her shoes.

[Artsda]

Caitlyn Jenner Celebrating 40th Anniversary of Olympic Win with Sports Illustrated Cover and Film

http://www.people.com/article/caitlyn-jenner-posing-sports-illustrated-cover?xid=socialflow_twitter_peoplemag

[peaceknit]

WHAT.THE.FRESH.HELL??? Who told her that 68 year old women should wear sheer belly tops?

[iwasish]

30 minutes ago, peaceknit said:

WHAT.THE.FRESH.HELL??? Who told her that 68 year old women should wear sheer belly tops?

Kim? 

Be grateful she hasn't gone nude yet. 

[Coffeecup]

Daily Mail has more pics of this outfit. Belly showing, and sheer lace!  Ugh. Yeah, I do think Kim must have helped her select this outfit. You'd hope that at least one female member of this wealthy family could dress well ... but no, Caitlyn is going for the too-tight trashy outfits just like the rest of them.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-3629871/PICTURE-EXCLUSIVE-Caitlyn-Jenner-gets-risque-lace-hitting-shops-Malibu.html

[millennium]

Really emphasizes that masculine physique.   The kind of rookie mistake usually committed by crossdressers whose sexual fetish is to look like a teenager or sexpot rather than an ordinary woman.

The golden rule of fashion for all women, but especially transgender women,  is "dress your age."   

Edited June 10, 2016 by millennium

[Kromm]

Caitlyn has some real blinders on, for sure. Apparently years of being an aging male ex-Olympian didn't stop her from having convincingly girlish hips, and what were once over-muscled legs have gone skinny in a way that Caitlyn can now shove them inside female-proportioned skinny jeans, but she seems to be blind to the gut issues, and the fact that those giant funbags she ordered just look dreadful when you display them in that way. 

[truelovekiss]

Caitlyn looks horrible. Sorry, I'm not sorry.

She's dressing in an outfit better suited to Kendall's age and figure. 

[millennium]

The photo makes me angry.    I'll tell you why.   If anyone else appeared in public looking like that, they would be laughed at and heckled or even harassed off the street.   People would give a wide berth as if that person were deranged.   Hell, I would look at her that way too, like she has been robbed of all common sense and anything resembling good judgment. 

Intentionally or not, Jenner creates the very false illusion that the world is just fine with all this.   That we're just one great, big, happy, tolerant society, and that anybody can walk around being whoever they want.

There's no disclaimer on that photo saying, "Professional privileged celebrity transgender person on closed course.  Do not try this at home."

Freedom of expression is a great ideal.   But it's just that.   Transgender people need to be smart about where they go, how they dress, the situations in which they place themselves.  

That photo tells a lie.   It says that mannish-looking transgender women are safe on the streets.   And the fact of the matter is, they aren't. 

Unfortunately -- and this part is 100% on Jenner --  it also contributes to the stereotype that down deep all transgender women are just men who want to play "dress up" all day long and transform themselves into caricatures of the kind of women our culture objectifies.

If Jenner cared one iota about furthering the credibility of transgender people and our status in society, she would never leave the house looking like that.   

Seeing that photo, I can understand why some people think she's either not in her right mind or that this is all a hoax.

Edited June 10, 2016 by millennium

[truthaboutluv]

Or...some people just have really bad fashion sense (gay, straight, bisexual, transgender, etc.) And considering some of the shit I've seen worn by that whole damn family at different times, great fashion sense is clearly not one of their skills. 

[millennium]

6 hours ago, truthaboutluv said:

Or...some people just have really bad fashion sense (gay, straight, bisexual, transgender, etc.) And considering some of the shit I've seen worn by that whole damn family at different times, great fashion sense is clearly not one of their skills. 

Even if the other members of the family show up wearing some godawful thing, they're still young women and you can shrug it off as just poor taste or trying to cause a sensation.   But this?

Not saying you're wrong, but I've seen the behavior too frequently among heterosexual crossdressers to simply write it off as bad fashion sense (on top of which, this is someone who can buy all the fashion sense she'll ever need).   Some try to reconcile it as "they never got to enjoy being a teenage girl, so this is their chance."   And to that I say, eww.   It's a fact that many heterosexual crossdressers, who are included in the transgender spectrum, are strongly motivated by libidinous impulses and that sex drive plays a role in how they present themselves, but nobody ever wants to talk about that.   

Edited June 10, 2016 by millennium

[GaT]

1 minute ago, millennium said:

 It's a fact that many heterosexual crossdressers, who are included in the transgender spectrum, are strongly motivated by libidinous impulses and that sex drive plays a role in how they present themselves, but nobody ever wants to talk about that.   

To be fair, that's pretty much what drives how everybody likes to present themselves, how attractive they look, which is part of the whole sex drive thing. Caitlyn's problem seems to be that she's taking her clothing cues from the Kardashians, so the fact that a belly baring shirt has no place on a 66 years old woman has completely eluded her. She should learn how to dress by looking at Helen Mirren, not Kris Jenner.

[Artsda]

Caitlyn Jenner on Her Partnership with H&M Sport—and Getting Style Advice from Kim Kardashian

[iwasish]

1 hour ago, GaT said:

To be fair, that's pretty much what drives how everybody likes to present themselves, how attractive they look, which is part of the whole sex drive thing. Caitlyn's problem seems to be that she's taking her clothing cues from the Kardashians, so the fact that a belly baring shirt has no place on a 66 years old woman has completely eluded her. She should learn how to dress by looking at Helen Mirren, not Kris Jenner.

or worse, Kylie Jenner.

[millennium]

1 hour ago, GaT said:

To be fair, that's pretty much what drives how everybody likes to present themselves, how attractive they look, which is part of the whole sex drive thing. 

I understand what you mean, but what I was talking about is different.    It's a fetish.   Put it this way: Does everybody become sexually aroused by the act of getting dressed, or by the thought of getting dressed? 

If indeed Jenner is taking cues from the Kardashians, then I suspect she's losing her faculties.    An adult person who has lived 65+ years knows better, or they should.   Being transgender isn't a license to make a farce of yourself.

[ginger90]

The smug smirk on her face in just about every photo bothers me more than what she wears. Smug sucks.

[AndySmith]

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She should learn how to dress by looking at Helen Mirren, not Kris Jenner.

Amen.