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Jenelle face consequences? I'm guessing the MTV intern who wrote the episode description has never actually seen the show.

Maybe her new lawyer isn't as skilled as Dustin at managing to keep her ass out of jail? I hope she wound up in front of a judge who looked at her mile long list of priors and read her the riot act. I'll predict that there's a plea bargain and she pleads to a misdemeanor instead of the original felony charge and does a ridiculously small amount of time. And, of course, will have to complete another anger management class. We all know how well that's worked out for her in the past. Dude! If people would stop being so mean to her, she wouldn't have to get angry!

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It appears just from this snippet that Vee is not yet living there. It also appears as if Jo is still in the middle of moving in. His house looks as if he was in the middle of situating things there. It is hard to know exactly when the timeline is but, it appears Jo moved to Kail's neighborhood just as the school year was finishing. Jo must have just started dropping off Isaac at school a couple of times. I won't say every single day either because Javi and Kail wouldn't dare let him have that much time with Isaac so soon.

 

Jo has made it clear he didn't notice any sign. There is no reason for him to lie about that especially since he moved three hours to be closer to his child. It doesn't make any sort of sense for him to purposely miss the ceremony. Kail doesn't mention in the clip that she sent him a photo or text. She doesn't say ANYTHING about it. If she is claiming on Twitter that she did, well now, that just makes it so fucking convenient, don't you think? That is where she posts a lot of her lies. She also knows that Jo won't go after her on her false claims. It is so easy to lay out there a claim on Twitter. It is not the first time she has put out a claim and later, it was confirmed to be false. If anyone has a reason to manipulate this whole situation it is Kail because that is how she rolls. Jo doesn't have a history like Kail does. He has credibility as far as showing how much his son means to him and his desire to spend more time with him.  It is a simple thing to make a simple phone call and to ensure the other parent is aware of an upcoming school event. There is still more to this but, unfortunately, Kail turned this visit into another opportunity to bring up child support instead of staying on the topic.

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So....how are we explaining Jo's text that he didn't go to the graduation because of the tension between all of them?  It's not like she was making the text up, the camera panned to it and we saw the actual text.   Honestly, I hate Kail as much as anyone, but not to the point where I'm blinded as to Jo's shortcomings.  I started side-eyeing Jo when he said he didn't want any extra time with Isaac.  Who moves 3 hours to be closer to their child then doesn't want anything more than every other weekend with said child? Every other weekend is NOTHING.  That's four days out of the entire month. I'm more inclined to believe he's just tired of the drive.

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I started side-eyeing Jo when he said he didn't want any extra time with Isaac.  Who moves 3 hours to be closer to their child then doesn't want anything more than every other weekend with said child?

Right, because that is the court-ordered schedule. 

 

JMO but, I think it was due to Jo having just moved in and he needed to get his life structured to his new home, surroundings, and employment. Those things are important to Isaac as much as Jo. Jo wants to get his home prepared, just like Kail likes to have her home set up and decorated. It also makes sense that Jo probably doesn't want to make Kail feel upset by asking her to allow him more time with Isaac. I can understand that since Jo is putting Isaac's needs first, which is what parenting is all about. I think Jo wants the rest of the summer to just play out the way it normally would have if he hadn't moved, except Jo did mention the summer schedule and I believe he told Kail that he didn't want to keep Isaac from her for a full six weeks. I am sure I heard him say that. I could be wrong and I don't mind being corrected on that. Did anyone else hear Jo say that to Kail at the park? It sounds like Jo is taking baby steps as far as Isaac's set structure and schedule. It is obvious Jo is putting the needs of his child first over his wants at this stage. I do believe he will want to have the luxury of being able to take Isaac to school or to be able to pick him up from Kail's so he can maybe take him for ice cream or to the movies. Those are things that were hard to do before since Kail decided to move her son three hours away from his dad. Now, not so much.

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So....how are we explaining Jo's text that he didn't go to the graduation because of the tension between all of them?  It's not like she was making the text up, the camera panned to it and we saw the actual text.

I never saw the camera pan over to any such text. I might have blinked at that moment and missed it but, I didn't see that happen.

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I just re-watched the scene where Karl brings up the texting to Javi. Never does the camera show any texts.

 

That same scene also shows Kail lying about Jo and the soccer game. She blatantly lied about Jo forgetting the game. That wasn't the case. He thought the game was at 6 p.m. That is not the same as forgetting.

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Right, because that is the court-ordered schedule. 

 

JMO but, I think it was due to Jo having just moved in and he needed to get his life structured to his new home, surroundings, and employment. Those things are important to Isaac as much as Jo. Jo wants to get his home prepared, just like Kail likes to have her home set up and decorated. It also makes sense that Jo probably doesn't want to make Kail feel upset by asking her to allow him more time with Isaac. I can understand that since Jo is putting Isaac's needs first, which is what parenting is all about. I think Jo wants the rest of the summer to just play out the way it normally would have if he hadn't moved, except Jo did mention the summer schedule and I believe he told Kail that he didn't want to keep Isaac from her for a full six weeks. I am sure I heard him say that. I could be wrong and I don't mind being corrected on that. Did anyone else hear Jo say that to Kail at the park? It sounds like Jo is taking baby steps as far as Isaac's set structure and schedule. It is obvious Jo is putting the needs of his child first over his wants at this stage. I do believe he will want to have the luxury of being able to take Isaac to school or to be able to pick him up from Kail's so he can maybe take him for ice cream or to the movies. Those are things that were hard to do before since Kail decided to move her son three hours away from his dad. Now, not so much.

I don't recall the exact words, but Jo's wording also implied that those 6 weeks were hard on him, too, that it was a huge adjustment being in it every day, and that as soon as they did get adjusted it was time for Isaac to go back to Kail's. He was relieved and happy to keep the status quo.

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I just watched the clip, and Jo high-fives Kail when she says she doesn't want to do the six weeks, he says, "thank god", explains about how he thought it was a disaster/adjusting, then she says she thought he'd ask for more time , and Jo says he's already putting in more time by driving to school, games, etc, and it's already more of a bigger load on him because he's not used to it, then they discuss child support. I think I got it all!

On another topic, I know this was briefly discussed before, but I forgot to mention how glaring the difference was in the behavior of the girlses at Leah's/Leah's family vs Corey's. Since Leah is coming back this epi, it's going to be interesting to see how the girlses act after the initial happiness of seeing Leah.

I hope Leah gets her shit together and gets clean. I hope she learns to take responsibility instead of only blaming. Owning her own mistakes is what will help her avoid repeating them; blaming others does her no good. Ultimately, her children pay the price.

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The way Karl throws around money on stuff for herself, it was sad to see the low-rent birthday she threw for Isaac at Grotto Pizza.

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The way Karl throws around money on stuff for herself, it was sad to see the low-rent birthday she threw for Isaac at Grotto Pizza.

Even though I know what the word "grotto" means, I read that sign for a second as "Grotty Pizza" lol.

 

Also, kudos to whoever at MTV put the whip crack animation in after Kail's scene with Jo.

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Seeing Jo call Kail an idiot was very satisfying. Immature, but satisfying. That was the most animated he's been all season.

 

Wasn't Leah already dating that new guy by this point? She seems a lot more alive but I'm guessing that's a result of getting laid on the regular.

 

Jenelle couldn't have been less interested when she was talking to Jace on the phone. She reminded me of those distant aunts your mom would force you to talk on the phone with, despite the fact that they didn't know anything about you and you didn't know anything about them. 

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I wonder if Kail wakes up every morning and thinks about how she can make the people around her miserable? What does Javi actually do in the Air Force? Good on Jo for asking Isaac to go elsewhere when they were talking about Kail. That's very lacking with the others.

Adam looks like he lives in some shed.

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Paislee looks like a poor, unkempt street urchin. Her visits with Adumb and his creeper friend look so sad and wrong for a little girl. It's like she just sits on the floor or the couch. Nobody's playing with her, and she doesn't even have toys to entertain herself. He doesn't even bother putting on a good dad act for the camera.

Kaiser almost seems to be developing Janelle's flat effect.

Did Nipples get a Medusa tattoo on his back? Blech, just everything about him.

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Thanks you guys for clearing up for me the talk about the six week visitation schedule. It sounds like Jo is being level-headed, fair, and giving up what is rightly his in order to make things easier for his son. I also remembered that Kail had mentioned to Sterling in last week's episode that it was Javi who was pushing the idea of going to court. Not sure if it was Kail putting the blame on Javi to relieve herself of any blame, however, she did say to Sterling how she is trying to keep Jo happy and has to keep her husband happy and how she is pretty much torn with what to do. She said similar words in the episode when she was upset at how Javi was behaving towards her about spending time with her friends. I fully believe her because Javi is the one who has sat there with that stupid mug as he mentions court over and over. Sure it is a good idea to let the courts handle the situation IF there was a situation to handle. The thing is, I don't think Kail was thinking about asking for extra money until Javi put that idea in her head. I could see him being upset at Jo moving nearby and trying to get back at him somehow.

 

 

Wasn't Leah already dating that new guy by this point? She seems a lot more alive but I'm guessing that's a result of getting laid on the regular.

It seems that is the only thing that keeps Leah happy - dick. As long as she is getting it, she is content. When the guy is away at work, not giving it to her, she is all bummed out and depressed. It makes me wonder what kind of therapy she received at that therapeutic treatment center. Was she shown a slideshow of naked men? Was she given vibrators so she could learn to satisfy her needs when there is no man around?

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Leah sounds like a Stepford Recovering Addict: I need to put myself first. I'm not a perfect person...no one is. It's about learning and growing.

She must have memorized every cliche from the posters hanging up in her counselor's office :-). It's real easy to SOUND like your in recovery, but actually changing? Not so much.

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Alright... Fess up, who slipped something in my drink!? Because I am clearly impaired because the Jenelle that was just on my screen was calm, rational, and said thank you to Barbara for caring for Jace.

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I'm sure some of it was getting a more expensive than usual makeover, but I wonder if Leah didn't look that good because she was forced to eat a balanced diet for a few weeks and sleep on a schedule.

 

"My daddy is 14 years old."  No matter how much his body ages, Aubree, you were dead-on.

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I'm pretty mad at Jo for making me side with Karl. I agree that they should go through the courts to determine child support. And it didn't sound like he exactly denied that he was jobless and not looking for one. And they didn't show him saying something like "but I do ______" or "I make money by ______". Obviously it could have been edit monkeys, but it just feels a little fishy to me.

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Alright... Fess up, who slipped something in my drink!? Because I am clearly impaired because the Jenelle that was just on my screen was calm, rational, and said thank you to Barbara for caring for Jace.

In complete shock. Janelle is so much better alone. Sadly she already has anther loser boyfriend.

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I think hell has frozen over because I was actually on Kail and Leah's side this episode.

I get that Miranda is a wonderful stepmother and has came through big time but I didn't see anything wrong with Leah wanting to speak with Cory one on one about the girlses. I can see where she would feel ganged up on, much like Jo feels ambushed when Kail brings Javi to their meetings.

Speaking of which, I get that Kail can be a raving hosebeast, but Jo and Vee were working my last nerve tonight. Nobody forced Vee to get pregnant with a kid they obviously can't afford. Nobody is chaining Jo to the radiator and preventing him from going to work. If he doesn't want to get a job, that's not Kail's problem, Isaac still needs to eat.

Loved Leah's new house with the two-story flight of steep stairs out the back. Perfect set up for a handicapped child. Kudos to Mama Dawn on that one!

Adam and trailer park Taylor might want to think about running some shampoo through their kid's hair. Paislee looked like she was five days past due for a bath.

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Alright... Fess up, who slipped something in my drink!? Because I am clearly impaired because the Jenelle that was just on my screen was calm, rational, and said thank you to Barbara for caring for Jace.

That was one of Jenelle's all time best moments. It's moments like this that make me think she's capable of getting better.

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I'm pretty mad at Jo for making me side with Karl. I agree that they should go through the courts to determine child support. And it didn't sound like he exactly denied that he was jobless and not looking for one. And they didn't show him saying something like "but I do ______" or "I make money by ______". Obviously it could have been edit monkeys, but it just feels a little fishy to me.

My guess is Jo just moved to Deleware and was between jobs. His only income at this point is MTV. Child support calcs would be based on his recent income but since he has very little coming in now he'd have little ability to live because the payments would be based on before he moved.

Hopefully Dr. Drew presses him on it next week.

I also wish they would do what they did with teen mom one and be allowed to speak about the money they get paid. The moms that is since the guys get stiffed.

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Did Nipples get a Medusa tattoo on his back? Blech, just everything about him.

Looked like some kind of tribal design to me. They look good on some people, but just adding to that greasy "I have no future outside reality tv and low rent porn" vibe in his case. Maybe he sees tattoos as a good investment because they can't be repo'd like his SUV.

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I love seeing Javi being all tough and puffing out his chest about Joe being cheap on child support. It just fills me with glee knowing that soon and very soon Kail will tire of liver lips. Soon he will be on the other side of that park bench in Joe's seat, begging her to not rape him with child support.

It amuses me how he just can't see it coming right at him. Keep talking shit JAvi. Your day is coming.

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I get that Miranda is a wonderful stepmother and has came through big time but I didn't see anything wrong with Leah wanting to speak with Cory one on one about the girlses. I can see where she would feel ganged up on, much like Jo feels ambushed when Kail brings Javi to their meetings.

I can see that, but it was so immature of her to just drive off. Time off work, arranging childcare, it's not something that can be easily rescheduled on a whim.

Miranda also just spent 30 days being the primary caregiver for twins. She earned a seat at the table to participate in the discussion.

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I was so furious at Kail I was shaking.  I can hardly stand her and Javi.  I can't look at the screen very long.  They are always, always quiet on twitter when they look bad on screen.  Javi saying "He isn't struggling." Obviously, y'all aren't struggling either.  The one thing I can not stand is a liar.  Kail has proven she is one time and time again.  Jo can't come into your home without Javi there but you can strut up into Jo's house and start to yell at him. You were the first one to raise your voice Kail.  He had to ask you to lower yours.  I can't with these two.

 

How many times has Leah brought Jeremy to chats with Cory about the girls?  Many times.  Did you see how Chasity was chomping that gum in her first scene with Leah.  Good grief! It was like the gummy bear scene with Leah all over again!

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Kaiser almost seems to be developing Janelle's flat effect.

Did Nipples get a Medusa tattoo on his back? Blech, just everything about him.

Seriously. That baby does not seem happy.

Jace is doing well in all of his classes, Jenelle? He's in fucking kindergarten! He has ONE class. It's called KINDERGARTEN!

Leah's friend/cousin (???)) Chasity couldn't look less thrilled to be in her company.

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Speaking of which, I get that Kail can be a raving hosebeast, but Jo and Vee were working my last nerve tonight. Nobody forced Vee to get pregnant with a kid they obviously can't afford. Nobody is chaining Jo to the radiator and preventing him from going to work. If he doesn't want to get a job, that's not Kail's problem, Isaac still needs to eat.

Jo's working situation is very fishy to me. I thought he seemed like he was pretty grounded, but being unemployed, and moving and having a baby doesn't seem like the best plan.

Adam and trailer park Taylor might want to think about running some shampoo through their kid's hair. Paislee looked like she was five days past due for a bath.

Seriously. There is such a contrast between how Aubree always looks clean and well kempt and how disheveled Paislee looked. I do think she looked better during the times we saw her with Taylor. I think it's just Adumb's poor parenting. Aubree is supposed to be with his parents during his time, so I imagine they are responsible for keeping her clean.

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I was disappointed to hear that Jo isn't working. Worse, he didn't say something about the job market, just having moved, etc. He gave some sketchy excuse that made Kail and Javi look completely responsible and rational. He was in a BMW when he dropped off Isaac and he has a pregnant girlfriend. Oh, Jo, you started out this season with promise.

 

What was the big showdown with Cory supposed to be about anyway? She can't possibly be asking him for anything. She should be sending them both a goddamn muffin basket for taking the girlses with very little explanation and not seeking full custody while she was gone. God, she's a mess. I hate all the therapy-speak, too. Her probably wasn't that she did too much for her kids, it was actually the opposite. 

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Leah sounds like a Stepford Recovering Addict: I need to put myself first. I'm not a perfect person...no one is. It's about learning and growing.

She must have memorized every cliche from the posters hanging up in her counselor's office :-). It's real easy to SOUND like your in recovery, but actually changing? Not so much.

That was so over the top! The metaphor where you put the mask over yourself first on a plane, come on!!!! Everyone on earth has heard that one before, and Leah is acting like it was brand new.

If she truly changed, great. I really hope she is clean, but it just rang so insincere.

The part about her finally getting on a schedule, eating at a specific time, sleeping at a specific time was so sad. I'm not sure why, maybe because she should have figured that out by now, but that made me realize she really is screwing up three innocent kids.

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There has to be more to the story regarding Jo's income. He had to show the mortgage company something in order to secure a mortgage. Also, someone please tell me how Jo missing Isaac's game and "moving on" ceremony translate into Kail needing to go to CS court?

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How many times has Leah brought Jeremy to chats with Cory about the girls? Many times. Did you see how Chasity was chomping that gum in her first scene with Leah. Good grief! It was like the gummy bear scene with Leah all over again!

Remember when on one of the reunion shows Jeremy couldn't make it, so Leah brought Lee with her to talk to Corey and Miranda? She's completely incapable of doing anything by herself. And I'm sure she thought if Miranda wasn't around (and once the camera's were gone) she could probably flirt with Corey to get what she wanted.

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There has to be more to the story regarding Jo's income. He had to show the mortgage company something in order to secure a mortgage. Also, someone please tell me how Jo missing Isaac's game and "moving on" ceramony translate into Kail needing to go to CS court?

I assume he quit his job to move there. His paperwork showed his income and after approved for the loan he quit his job to get down there.

Not the wisest move, but the reality is he also had some teen mom money coming. Not as significant as the girls but probably enough for him to live on for a few months while he looks for work. Additionally his parents may throw him some extra cash.

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And Vee planned that baby, it wasn't an accident. She better get job hunting.

First Kail purposely gets pregnant, and now Vee. 

 

 

There has to be more to the story regarding Jo's income. He had to show the mortgage company something in order to secure a mortgage. Also, someone please tell me how Jo missing Isaac's game and "moving on" ceramony translate into Kail needing to go to CS court?

It's called holding it over his head.

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Paislee looks like a poor, unkempt street urchin. Her visits with Adumb and his creeper friend look so sad and wrong for a little girl. It's like she just sits on the floor or the couch. Nobody's playing with her, and she doesn't even have toys to entertain herself. He doesn't even bother putting on a good dad act for the camera.

Shelby, this is hysterical! I sat here and giggled to myself for a good while (whileses?).

Hasn't Leah sat down alone with Corey before? Like this season?

Nathan is such an asshole. He's manipulative and abusive and I hope that shit head gets what's coming to him soon!

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I may be mistaken, but I am pretty sure I heard Jo saying he COULD go get a 9-5 job but didn't want to because he would miss out on time with Isaac. Anyone else catch that? I am only able to half watch with closed captioning on because I have a wild two year old lol

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Leah seemed sober, but therapy speak didn't stop her from blaming Corey for her problems. She still hasn't learned to use a seatbelt.

I don't get Jo. They all kind of suck except Isaac who is a sweetie

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Jace is doing well in all of his classes, Jenelle? He's in fucking kindergarten! He has ONE class. It's called KINDERGARTEN!

 

Didn't Jenelle once put out there that Jace was being tested for kindergarten or being given tests and he was advanced? Some crazy shit like that, I can't remember exactly what she said.

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I may be mistaken, but I am pretty sure I heard Jo saying he COULD go get a 9-5 job but didn't want to because he would miss out on time with Isaac. Anyone else catch that? I am only able to half watch with closed captioning on because I have a wild two year old lol

Yeah. Made no sense. Isaac will be in school from 8-3 soon so a 9-5 won't interfere with that much. Not sure what his hours were like prior but a 9-5 would be ideal for Jo. If he worked nights he would see very little of Isaac.

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I may be mistaken, but I am pretty sure I heard Jo saying he COULD go get a 9-5 job but didn't want to because he would miss out on time with Isaac. Anyone else catch that? I am only able to half watch with closed captioning on because I have a wild two year old lol

That's what I heard. It made no sense given their custody arrangement.
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I do think Kail needs to be reasonable and give Jo a couple months to get settled and look for work, but the way Jo was talking was odd. He sounded like he had no intentions of getting a job because it would interfere with his time with Isaac. He may have been referring to the six weeks he has Isaac in the summer, but he was kind of dodging the issue.

On a more positive note, I thought it was really sweet that Isaac wanted to share a room with Lincoln. He seems like a really sensitive, caring child.

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