NFL Thread

[twoods]

I don't think it has to do with racism since Russell Wilson gets the calls, but more to the fact that for whatever reason the refs don't respect Newton. Brady throws a damn hissy fit for getting breathed on and gets every damn call because he's Tom freaking Brady. It sucks but the refs have their favorites. 

[Bastet]

Oh, racism is still at play in the discrepancy -- Wilson is the "right kind" of black man, while Newton isn't.

[Morrigan2575]

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If its not racist its just a personal vendetta for some reason against Cam himself for whatever reason. 

I'm not sure why it started but, I think this is where we are now. I think they're pissed that he kept calling them out for (at least) the last 2 years. Now, the Refs are well, screw him!

[DrSpaceman73]

The in the 4th quarter, penalty on the Panthers for hitting Kirk Cousins IN BOUNDS on the sidelines. 

[Fukui San]

Speaking of unequal punishments, the league is expected to lightly tap the Giants on the wrist today for using a Walkie Talkie in direct violation of the rules.  If the Patriots did this it'd be multiple draft picks and a national smear campaign.

[DrSpaceman73]

That's because the Pats have done it before.  So yes, they would get a stronger punishment.

No one, not even the NFL, has denied the Pats history played a role in the deflategate decision. 

And that decision was not even Goodell's really.  He took the brunt of the criticism for it, but that was the other owners and the competition committee behind it for the most part. 

So yes, the Pats would be and are treated different in that regard. 

[Fukui San]

So what was the Browns' cheating history to merit a 4 game suspension in 2015 for GM Ray Farmer texting to the sidelines during a game? If the Giants don't get as much as a game's suspension for what's virtually the same offense (illegal communications), is there any conclusion to draw other than the league is in bed with the Giants?

[xaxat]

27 minutes ago, Fukui San said:

is there any conclusion to draw other than the league is in bed with the Giants?

Sure there is. Goodell sucks at his job.

[stealinghome]

We've all known for a while that the league is in bed with both New York teams. I'm just impressed at how brazen and obvious it is now.

[merylinkid]

For the Patriots, spygate cost the team $250,000, Belicheck personally half a mill, a the team a first round draft pick.  

For using fake crowd noise, the Falcons got fined $350,000, McKay was removed from the competition committee and they lost a 5th round pick.

The Browns were fined $250,000 for texting and Ray Farmer was suspended 4 games.   No loss of draft picks because the League knew they would draft a bust anyway which is the same thing.

 

For using Walkie-Talkies depsite 1) clear rules saying NO and 2) alternatives to using them to send in the signals when the headset malfunctioned, the team got $150,000, McAdoo got $50,000 (10% of Belicheck) and a drop to the bottom of the 4th round for that pick.  

Go ahead compares those and tell me that the Giants weren't treated favorable.

Oh and what was the punishment for the Giants tampering with balls when they tested the Steelers balls recently instead of asking the officials to do it when they suspected underinflation?

[MarkHB]

This week's official playoff scenarios.  It amazes me that they can't even spell out what "clinch the strength of victory tiebreaker" actually requires.  I think last year they added it later via Twitter.  Perhaps they should switch to Heal points like my state uses (I'm sure every state has their own high school points system for sports standings).

[Carey]

47 minutes ago, MarkHB said:

This week's official playoff scenarios.  It amazes me that they can't even spell out what "clinch the strength of victory tiebreaker" actually requires.  I think last year they added it later via Twitter.  Perhaps they should switch to Heal points like my state uses (I'm sure every state has their own high school points system for sports standings).

I think it would require a significant amount of stuff well out of those teams control.  Basically you'd have to do a range of stuff that might happen in Week 17 and then factor that into what has to happen in Week 16.  Fortunately it would not involve games those teams got beat in, but it's still a loss.  I don't think I'd do it since I'm not getting paid (nor do I have time to do it).  However I'm okay with those that getting paid to do it not doing it at all.  Looks like some of the other stuff that needs to happen doesn't play out.  With games on Sunday & Monday, it would be easy to figure it out (Detroit plays on MNF, so that would factor into Green Bay's SOV).

Either way, it would be nice for them to make mention to how it's a lot and doesn't need to be calculated until it becomes likely that the SOV would factor into a team clinching a playoff spot.  Personally I don't think it takes 24 hours, but it wouldn't take 5 minutes either

[ElDosEquis]

I heard about this story and laughed.

https://www.yahoo.com/sports/m/43cfa60d-9efd-3236-b73e-f79fa4168837/ss_chargers-looking-into-video.html

 

I wonder if they will be able to formulate a 'game plan' by looking at the video, Nothing ON the field seems to be working?

[mojoween]

The security firm is called Elite Security.  I don't know why I find that so funny, but I do.

[topanga]

19 hours ago, ElDosEquis said:

I heard about this story and laughed.

https://www.yahoo.com/sports/m/43cfa60d-9efd-3236-b73e-f79fa4168837/ss_chargers-looking-into-video.html

 

I wonder if they will be able to formulate a 'game plan' by looking at the video, Nothing ON the field seems to be working?

LOL. Part of me wants to watch the video just to figure out what the 'sex act' was. The security guard was outside, apparently fully clothed. But the sane part of me is like, Ewwww.  If I want to watch porn, let it be professionally made. 

[Ohwell]

Perhaps he was spanking the monkey while watching the cheerleaders?  In any event, the guy needs to learn self-restraint.  What a way to get fired. 

[BitterApple]

3 hours ago, Ohwell said:

Perhaps he was spanking the monkey while watching the cheerleaders?  In any event, the guy needs to learn self-restraint.  What a way to get fired. 

Lmfao, right? Good luck answering "So why did you leave your last job?" on his next interview.

[mojoween]

I saw a screen grab.  He was rooting around in there like someone pawing through a bowl of Chex Mix.

The NY color rush unis are awesome.  The GIANTS on the helmets gives me life.

Hey!  I just realized that this week is the thirty year anniversary of my Giants love.  The first game I ever watched where I understood what was going on the Giants pasted the Packers.  Also, to my 13 year old self, Phil Simms was dreamy.  There is a poster of him from that season to this day still hanging in my childhood bedroom.

[Moose135]

1 minute ago, mojoween said:

The NY color rush unis are awesome.  The GIANTS on the helmets gives me life.

You can thank John Mara for that.  Nike went to the Giants with an all-red uniform.  Mara, president, CEO, and co-owner said: “this meeting is over. We are not going with this”.  Nike then proposed an all-blue look, which Mara at first approved, but ultimately rejected as well.  Team officials collaborated and came up with this, reminiscent of their 1980s look.  I agree, Mojo, they look great, and I love the GIANTS on the helmet!

https://prosportsrundown.com/2016/12/22/the-hail-mary-hidden-story-new-york-giants-color-rush-uniforms/

[twoods]

I'm wondering how the Giants got a decent color rush uniform after other teams are wearing day glo and puke colors. CEO throws a fit and everyone listens? Maybe the Giants are in bed with the NFL...

[mojoween]

I'll buy them a comforter if that's the case.

I would have fought Nike in the street if they made the Giants wear all red. Blue would have been ok as long as it was Giants blue but the white is the best.

This game sucks giant donkey balls by the way.

Edited December 23, 2016 by mojoween

[merylinkid]

Maybe the other team Presidents should have thrown a hissy fit about those ugly ass uniforms.   

[twoods]

3 minutes ago, merylinkid said:

Maybe the other team Presidents should have thrown a hissy fit about those ugly ass uniforms.   

Maybe now they will after it seemed to have worked. Our retinas are thankful for that. 

[xaxat]

12 minutes ago, merylinkid said:

Maybe the other team Presidents should have thrown a hissy fit about those ugly ass uniforms.   

Nope! They're to busy cashing those checks from Nike.

[mojoween]

These referees are pure garbage.

[FuriousStyles]

3 minutes ago, mojoween said:

These referees are pure garbage.

Absolutely.  Sheesshhh

[twoods]

Bwah! Love it. Eagles secondary showed up. 

Didnt realize that the Eagles had lost 5 in a row- after seeing their record I was shocked after remembering they were 5-3. 

[Bastet]

Well, congrats, Eagles -- you made it more difficult for the Giants to enter the playoffs ... and allowed the Cowboys to clinch.  Yee haw?

I will need to see some additional angles on the roughing the passer (against NY) call that changed things around in the fourth quarter, because from what I saw in real time and one slow-mo replay before having to leave the room that was bullshit -- the Giants defender hit him less than a second after he released the ball; he was going for the sack and there was no time to pull back.  That Wentz landed on his noggin was just too bad; that doesn't make it a penalty.

[Jx223]

Just now, twoods said:

Bwah! Love it. Eagles secondary showed up. 

Didnt realize that the Eagles had lost 5 in a row- after seeing their record I was shocked after remembering they were 5-3. 

I think that Lane Johnson coming back made a big difference in how the Eagles looked and played tonight. I think that Carson has done a good job this year in spite of the team's struggles. I hope this Eagles get better especially at the receiver position and I am glad they got the win tonight.

[mojoween]

Of all the teams, fucking Dallas is the one who benefits.  Fuck them.

[benteen]

Ugh with that Giants loss.  Still, they only need 1 team out of 4 teams to lose to get into the playoffs.

The refs totally gave Philadelphia the hometown discount.  They committed numerous pass interferences and the refs refuses to call anything.  Plus, they called the Giants on two BS roughing the passer calls.  Still, I hate to say this but the only thing holding the Giants back from playoff success is the play of Eli Manning.  Underthrowing the ball in double coverage is leading to interception after interception.

Edited December 23, 2016 by benteen

[merylinkid]

I literally had tears in my eyes when the I realized the Cowboys clinched homefield advantage through the playoffs.   I never thought I would see that happen again as long as Jerry Jones owned the team.

Yeah, roughing the passer the call in this game that was a lot less obvious than the non-call on Cam on Monday night.   Seriously, the Panthers needs to put together a lowlight reel showing all the hits that get called on other QBs side by side with all the noncalls on the same acts happening to Cam.

[DrSpaceman73]

On ‎12‎/‎21‎/‎2016 at 7:34 AM, MarkHB said:

This week's official playoff scenarios.  It amazes me that they can't even spell out what "clinch the strength of victory tiebreaker" actually requires.  I think last year they added it later via Twitter.  Perhaps they should switch to Heal points like my state uses (I'm sure every state has their own high school points system for sports standings).

That's not even close to the official complete list of playoff scenarios.  I wonder why they even write an article like that, its just the obvious ones anyone can figure out.  I've looked multiple places, for example, someone going over say the Colts playoff scenarios (they can't clinch a spot this week but they can be eliminated) and have yet to find it.  It is frustrating.  Although the SOV tiebreakers tend to be pretty complex and may not be able to be explained at all. 

Anyway for those that care :

Colts are eliminated this week with :

A Colts loss   OR

 

A Tenn or Houston win (for the division) AND

A Baltimore or Miami win (for the wild card)

(The and because if both those happen, they are eliminated from both division and WC scenarios.  If one happens and not the other, and the colts win, they are still alive another week)

At least by my calculations, since the NFL won't say anything about it.  And I am not figuring in ties, they are just too rare and its not worth listing them, though I think technically a The Tenn/Hosuton/Baltimore/Miami scenarios should say win or tie, not just win

 

Oh and I heard there is going to be a spring league with 4 teams playing 6 games consisting of free agents not currently on a team?  WTF?  Stupidest idea I have heard in a long time.  But the NFL IS NOT behind it. 

http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/nfl-not-involved-with-spring-football-league-being-organized-for-2017/

[topanga]

6 hours ago, Bastet said:

I will need to see some additional angles on the roughing the passer (against NY) call that changed things around in the fourth quarter, because from what I saw in real time and one slow-mo replay before having to leave the room that was bullshit -- the Giants defender hit him less than a second after he released the ball; he was going for the sack and there was no time to pull back.  That Wentz landed on his noggin was just too bad; that doesn't make it a penalty.

 

6 hours ago, merylinkid said:

Yeah, roughing the passer the call in this game that was a lot less obvious than the non-call on Cam on Monday night.   Seriously, the Panthers needs to put together a lowlight reel showing all the hits that get called on other QBs side by side with all the noncalls on the same acts happening to Cam.

Yeah I'm upset about the roughing the passer call after Wentz's slide. Yes , he did flop, and the refs bought it. But even without the flop, the nature of the defender's contact was the exact same as in the Cam Newton scenario: both quarterbacks were sliding, and both defenders hit the quarterback because of their momentum. In both cases, the contact was not deliberate or malicious. But it's still a penalty. It highlights how obvious it was that Cam Newton is not treated like other quarterbacks.

 

6 hours ago, merylinkid said:

I literally had tears in my eyes when the I realized the Cowboys clinched homefield advantage through the playoffs.   I never thought I would see that happen again as long as Jerry Jones owned the team.

Sorry. Go Cowboys. My son was happy, too--he's a Packers fan, so the Giants loss helps him slightly

[FuriousStyles]

Im more offended by the penalty they called on Eli Apple.  Apple CLEARLY pulled up trying not to hit Wentz...I dont think he even touched Wentz's head...but because Wentz was already in slide motion they throw the flag.  Compared to the egregious calls they arent giving Newton for whatever reason, the ticky tack shit from last night was embarrassing. 

Edited December 23, 2016 by FuriousStyles

[merylinkid]

So no one misunderstands, those were tears of joy.   I'm a Cowboys fan like you wouldn't believe.   Since I was a little kid.    The Jones years have sucked because he refuses to put the team before his own ego.    He got lucky with Dak Prescott turning out to be so good.

[Carey]

Yeah, it kind of sucks that New York got nailed with that call.  I didn't lose sleep over it (well, I didn't really sleep but that was for something completely unrelated; nothing negative FTR!).  I have to admit I was salty with that call for Philly.  You could say the narrative was that Brees, Brady, Rodgers gets those calls because they are old enough, but now I can't justify how Wentz would get it.  Carson hasn't done anything at all yet.  Cam will be the reigning MVP for 6 more weeks.  BTW, there's just one thing more special than being drafted second in the first round!  Finally Carolina is still in the playoff hunt, but their chances off making it are a little less than the Giants' chances of missing

Outside of that, not a Philly fan, but there really isn't anything to hate about Carson Wentz.  They were supposed to call that, especially after MNF.  I wasn't too concerned despite what I said here because it's a different officiating crew.  It would be troubling if a crew running Panthers games don't throw the flag when they are supposed to, but then they would have the history of throwing the flag all the time in another game.  I tend to look at that trend more than what happened in back-to-back NFL games.

 

Hats off to Dallas.  Especially Jason Garrett and what he's overcome, not just this year but throughout this decade.  Through common sense on one hand you could give the HC of the year to him.  OTOH, through logic it really should go to Belichick if Brady gets snubbed for the MVP (though it depends on who wins it).  Garrett isn't Landry or Johnson, but he's the best outside of that for the most part. (about par with Parcells & Switzer).  Jones IMO got it right with sticking with him.  Those early postseason misses Jason had came at the end of every regular season, and then got unlucky at Green Bay when Dallas finally returned.

 

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I literally had tears in my eyes when the I realized the Cowboys clinched homefield advantage through the playoffs.   I never thought I would see that happen again as long as Jerry Jones owned the team.

The only thing left is to win at least one playoff game with that position.  FTR, Jerry is still undefeated in the Super Bowl

 

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So no one misunderstands, those were tears of joy.   I'm a Cowboys fan like you wouldn't believe.   Since I was a little kid.    The Jones years have sucked because he refuses to put the team before his own ego.    He got lucky with Dak Prescott turning out to be so good.

No I knew, merylinkid.  At first I read that I said, "Well, that has to suck to deal with Dallas in January as one of the Final 8 teams," but then a second later I interpreted that as relief and a nice sight for the Cowboys community

Edited December 23, 2016 by Carey

[MarkHB]

8 hours ago, DrSpaceman73 said:

That's not even close to the official complete list of playoff scenarios.  I wonder why they even write an article like that, its just the obvious ones anyone can figure out.  I've looked multiple places, for example, someone going over say the Colts playoff scenarios (they can't clinch a spot this week but they can be eliminated) and have yet to find it.  It is frustrating.  Although the SOV tiebreakers tend to be pretty complex and may not be able to be explained at all. 

That was the list on NFL.com; I'm not sure I've ever seen them publish the specs on which teams can be eliminated and how.  I think each team's local media tend to pick that up. 

[DrSpaceman73]

1 hour ago, MarkHB said:

That was the list on NFL.com; I'm not sure I've ever seen them publish the specs on which teams can be eliminated and how.  I think each team's local media tend to pick that up. 

I typically do see the list of things that must happen with a few weeks left every year for all the teams still in contention, usually from NFL.com, not sure why this year is any different.

Plus its the NFLs job to determine who is in and out of their own playoffs, so even if its not in this article, they could publish and make available the official scenarios somewhere, so my own self determined scenarios I know are correct

[MarkHB]

I did find this collection of what I believe is technically called "crazy-ass shit."  Enjoy! (And, did you come up with that Panthers scenario to get in? :)

[Jx223]

11 hours ago, DrSpaceman73 said:

 

Anyway for those that care :

Colts are eliminated this week with :

A Colts loss   OR

 

A Tenn or Houston win (for the division) AND

A Baltimore or Miami win (for the wild card)

(The and because if both those happen, they are eliminated from both division and WC scenarios.  If one happens and not the other, and the colts win, they are still alive another week)

At least by my calculations, since the NFL won't say anything about it.  And I am not figuring in ties, they are just too rare and its not worth listing them, though I think technically a The Tenn/Hosuton/Baltimore/Miami scenarios should say win or tie, not just win

 

 

I was reading different threads at ESPN where people were discussing how various teams could get into the playoffs. Including teams with slim chances. 

A couple of people posting at ESPN stated that the Colts could win their division if the Colts win out, The Texans lose out, the Jags beat the Titans, and the Titans beat the Texans. Another person said the Colts could get in via the wildcard if Miami, Denver, and Baltimore all lose their final two games. I think that the Colts best chances might be if the first scenario happened. 

Some things that work in their favor in both scenarios are that some of teams have to play with their backups. I'm not sure how Tom Savage and Matt Moore are going to play in the final two games. They both were solid last week, but I am not sure how they will end up looking in these final two games. (Though they both have their playoff hopes on the line as well and may play hard to try and get in.)

I could see Buffalo beating Miami this week. I could also see Miami losing to the Patriots in the final game. I could also see Denver losing their last two games because they have two tough matchups against the Raiders/Chiefs. These things could help the Colts for the WC, but I think that the Ravens will at least win their game against the Bengals, and if so that would hurt the Colt's wild card chances. 

I think that Indy's best chances may be if they definitely win out, the Texans lose their last two and the Jags somehow manage to win against the Titans.

http://www.espn.com/blog/miami-dolphins/post/_/id/23977/making-the-case-for-and-against-each-bubble-teams-nfl-playoff-chances

Edited December 23, 2016 by Jx223

[Ohwell]

WTF Eli? Plus, he looks so damn stupid after he throws an interception.

[xaxat]

Man, Todd Bowles must really wish this season never happened.

[mojoween]

2016 comes for everyone.

In other news, Terry Bradshaw was on FS1 and said that Mike Tomlin is not a great coach but he is a great cheerleader guy.

Hey.  Terry.  How about a nice warm glass of shut the hell up?

Look, the Steelers can sink into the bowels of Hades for all I care, but Tomlin is a great coach and I don't see how that is even an issue.  Especially because Jason Whitlock was on that side of the argument so you know it's shit.

I would never watch FS1 on purpose except for ACC basketball games so I'm not sure why this was a topic on whatever show it was on, but not only were they wrong, but how fucking disrespectful is that for Terry to say?

Edited December 24, 2016 by mojoween

[Jx223]

A plane carrying the Minnesota Vikings and their staff slid off the runway and became stuck after landing in Wisconsin. No one was hurt but they have been waiting to get off the plane for three hours. I am glad they are all okay.

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/minnesota-vikings-plane-slides-off-runway/

Edited December 24, 2016 by Jx223

[nowandlater]

1 hour ago, mojoween said:

In other news, Terry Bradshaw was on FS1 and said that Mike Tomlin is not a great coach but he is a great cheerleader guy.

Hey.  Terry.  How about a nice warm glass of shut the hell up?

[caracas1914]

It's not like Terry was ever brighter than a very dim bulb.

[Moose135]

24 minutes ago, caracas1914 said:

It's not like Terry was ever brighter than a very dim bulb.

As Thomas "Hollywood" Henderson famously said: "He is so dumb, he couldn't spell cat if you spotted him a C and an A."

[nowandlater]

10 years ago this week, Stanford hired Jim Harbaugh. A local columnist was really skeptical of this hire, and called it "a huge gamble"

Bill Walsh, who would die 7 months later, was in attendance at Harbaugh's press conference.

I remember that date because I am a Cal fan. We were 5-0 vs. Stanford when Harbaugh was hired. Since that day, Cal has been 2-8, with those 2 wins coming vs. Harbaugh.

I bring this up because David Shaw is kind of like Tomlin, he too inherited a great QB (Andrew Luck) from a great coach and also took his team to the next level. (Shaw won 2 Rose Bowls and lost a Fiesta Bowl, Tomlin won and lost a Super Bowl in his first four seasons and he reached 100 wins faster than Cowher and, unlike his predecessor, has never had a losing season.)

Yet because they took over for successful coaches, Shaw and Tomlin -- who, by the way, were born 4 months apart -- will seemingly never get total credit for their successes.

So here's what I'm wondering: At what point do you escape your successful predecessor's shadow? As we've seen in San Francisco, it's hard finding another good coach to succeed a good coach.

Bill Walsh's successor, George Seifert, went 98-30 and won 2 Super Bowls with the 49ers in 8 seasons (and was dumped and replaced by Steve Mariucci after going 12-4), yet he seems like an afterthought in NFL history because he followed Bill Walsh. (Yes, he did suck as coach of the Panthers.)

[mojoween]

I could be totally misremembering, but wasn't Siefert on Walsh's staff?  And Tomlin came from outside.

So I think Siefert will always be hamstrung by that.  And that was the early days of free agency, wasn't it, so it was still basically considered Bill's team.