Season 17 Live Feed Discussion: Watch People Sleep All Day!

[Cutty]

"Wed 10:45 AM BBT On the BY couch, Becky tells Shelli that at "the meeting" BB said that Audrey "opted out". Becky says Audrey is not ill. NT"

 

Can't she leave?

 

This is bizarre because yesterday Becky said they told her she could eat real food because of the medication she was taking. It's why Becky felt bad and was cooking for her. I'm starting to wonder how this works now because some medication does need to be taken with food. Audrey can't be the first one. 

 

Personally I wish they would do away with the have nots, especially since there's not even a competition anymore. What's the point?

Edited July 22, 2015 by Cutty

[Snaporaz]

At the very least, they should have let all of the have-nots off the hook this week.

[peachmangosteen]

This is bizarre because yesterday Becky said they told her she could eat real food because of the medication she was taking. It's why Becky felt bad and was cooking for her.

 

Becky still said that today. It was supposedly only a 24-36 hour thing. But then they didn't even claim she was sick, just that she 'opted-out.' This is such a strange situation.

Edited July 22, 2015 by peachmangosteen

[Cutty]

Vanessa is 150% sure that Jason/James/Meg/Jackie are in an alliance, and they control John and Becky's vote. She's basically morphing into Audrey right before our eyes.

[SiobhanJW]

Liz about Audrey: She's embarrassing for our cast

Ain't that the truth.

[Cutty]

Live voice leak over the PA: "Houseguests can you hear me"? Then fish. Lockdown starting soon.

Austin planning a hinky vote for Audrey to pin on Steve.

Austin to Liz: I think that Becky is mad at me for dumping Jackie.

 

This guy needs serious help.

[liqidclark]

Liz about Audrey: She's embarrassing for our cast

 

I'll say it: Even with this anti-climactic finale, Audrey has made the feeds more entertaining and addictive than they've been in the past decade, at least. So I'm all for this type of embarrassment, and I hope the rest of the HGs can follow suit.

 

What I do not want to really see is more of a generic bikini recruit who was supposed to be on some other show about twins, "whoring" herself out to a creepy wrestler who can't act his way out of a wet paper baaaaaaag-uh.

[Turtle]

Wasn't "floater" originally used to describe someone who floated between two sides of the house or several alliances and not someone who just wasn't "playing hard"? If so, Vanessa is the biggest floater of the season, possibly ever.

I think Audrey does have some sort of legit issue going on but it's not serious enough to remove her from the game. They probably had her checked out by doctors and maybe a mental health professional and possibly she got meds to help with anxiety issues, who knows. I'm thinking that she wants to quit and DR has been negotiating with her to stay because they know she's getting evicted Thursday anyway and they don't want to screw up production schedule. She's probably embarrassed and disappointed, and possibly it's all exacerbated by an underlying issue that we don't know about. So production has told her to just go hide for a couple days until it's time to go and maybe they escort her out the back door when the feeds shut down tomorrow to prep for the live episode. It's a (shitty) compromise.

I doubt they'd let her just "opt out" yet still stick around like this. They're rarely letting her be seen on the feeds, they're not letting the HGs talk about her, they *are* letting them bring her food- it makes no sense if they thought she was just being a brat. They'd force her to interact and make her keep the lights on, etc. if she refused or started breaking shit, they'd kick her out. I heard Meg say that DR told her that whatever was going on wasn't something for the HGs to worry about, but I don't think it meant that it's not anything worrisome, just that production doesn't want to or can't tell the HGs about it (like if it was a medical/ psychological issue). Obviously, I'm just specu-rambling, though.

The special treatment doesn't bother me much, in part because of all of the above, and in part because BB has never been "fair." Production has always interefered and given folks special treatment (Frankie's one-handed BoB, anyone? STILL MAD. But not at all mad about Coup d'tat- I'm a hypocrite.) Hell, several years ago, the FCC responded to a complaint about BB by saying it's not a game show, it's entertainment, and so game show rules don't apply. Plus, she's leaving on Thursday and I don't want her to leave early and have to have someone else go up on the block before tomorrow's eviction, so I'm fine if she eats pizza and sleeps on the floor for a couple of days.

But other people do have to sleep in that room- they should make her shower.

[Skittl1321]

 

Wasn't "floater" originally used to describe someone who floated between two sides of the house or several alliances and not someone who just wasn't "playing hard"?

That was what I remember it as- someone who floated between alliances, going with whomever was in power.

 

Now it seems to be someone who isn't part of a major alliance, who just floats along until the end unnoticed.

[Callaphera]

 

Any further explanation, Nedsdag?

 

 

Is that picture photoshopped? Isn't that the dress Julie wore on Thursday?

 

 

Can someone please give some kind of explanation of that picture of Julie and Audrey(?).

 

Didn't see the question answered and not the person who posted it but this picture has been floating around since yesterday-ish. It's supposed to be what the live show is probably going to look like when they wheel Audrey out for her Chenbot interview. Unless she's been up and moving today, that picture is looking more and more like it might actually happen.

[Turtle]

She's made it to the bathroom a few times but that's it. Do you guys think they'd even let her be on the

live show at this point, assuming she appeared to pull herself together? Maybe they'll pre-record the eviction and stock the audience with CBS employees like they've done before? I'm still leaning toward her leaving when they go on lockdown and / or when the feeds get shut down tomorrow.

[Callaphera]

I don't think they can do her eviction live. What are they going to do, storm the BB house with security guards to haul her out from behind the dentist chairs in the HN room? I keep hoping to see an outdoor lockdown just to see if she would appear but I think it's indoor lockdown now.

 

It's sad. Once the feeds went live, I thought Audrey had so much potential as a game player. I thought she would go far, not because of the whole transgender thing but because she seemed to be an actual game player. Instead we get a melodramatic death bed scene that's nothing more than a three year old pitching a fit because Mommy wouldn't buy her the doll she wanted. I thought she would go down swinging and throwing people under the bus. Go out in a blaze of glory rather than this blanket covered whimper. 

 

I wonder, when she does interviews outside the house (if she does, are they contractually obligated beyond Julie's exit interview?), what narrative she'll try to spin.

 

In other news, I saw that Austin was thinking of throwing a hinky vote Audrey's way to later pin on Steve. I was wondering if someone was going to do the hinky vote to keep up the paranoia of an America's Player and shock of all shocks, it's not Audrey!

Edited July 22, 2015 by Callaphera

[pennben]

I've always wanted to see the majority each independently decide to throw a hinky vote someone's way and have it blow up in their faces when they all vote the wrong way!

[Cutty]

Austin the douchebag rubbing the inside of Liz's thigh on the bathroom couches. Steve comes in and plops down next to them. Austin: "Steve, no touching." Steve: "I'm not. You're the one with your hand up her thigh."

 

Go Steve!

[Kris117]

Go Steve, indeed! Plus, since when is it Austin's job to decide who gets to touch Liz? I don't recall her abdicating that chore over to him. What a creepy waste of space he is.

[yankee1151]

I think there is no way the live eviction is not held as planned.  If Audrey was that ill, or gave any indication to production that she would not be participating on Thurs, I don't think she would still be in the house right now.  I think they gave her a bunch of xanax (which if you're not used to it will knock you on your ass) and allowed her to eat because you shouldn't take that shit on an empty stomach (and slop is not food).  I don't think this is anything more on Audrey's part than anxiety with a side of got-played-crybaby-itis.  And production is rolling with it because they know she's out the door Thurs anyway.  I'm sure they point blank made her agree to get her ass up and in that nomination chair for the live show, and knowing she's certainly leaving they don't care what she does in the meantime.  

 

Also, Austin is SO GROSS.  I'm glad I don't actually have the feeds because I would legit get physically ill watching him.  BBAD is bad enough, I pause it whenever he's on (especially with Liz) and then FF to when they switch to another camera.  He might be creepier than Caleb.  And at least Caleb was (unintentionally) entertaining as hell when he was not with/talking about Amber.  Austin is not.  And he looks like he smells terrible.  

[kellog010]

Watching Austin paw at Liz on the live feeds makes me ill. Yes, she may allow it for now because there is only 1 more week before her sister can enter the house. I'm sure she doesn't want to start any drama that could put even more of a target on her by rejecting Austin outright. He's even offered to throw BOB for her if he had to. You could tell by her body language that she barely tolerates it, she even tried to sleep in Steve's bed last night but was thwarted. It's so freaking creepy how he follows her room to room and is constantly groping her.

 

I don't even know what to say about the Audrey situation. If she is really that sick, I hope she takes some time away from social media and takes care of herself when she's evicted.

 

ETA: So after all that Audrey emerged long enough to chat to Jackie and talk about how Shelli/Clay/Vanessa/Austin set her up like Jeff. I really hope she gets herself healthy out of the house.

Edited July 22, 2015 by kellog010

[Katesus7]

She's baaaack. Audrey comes out of the bathroom with Jackie in the room, who handles her like a champ, telling her no one wants to fight, everyone loves her, is concerned about her, and wants her to just relax until tomorrow, basically. Audrey immediately goes into strategy mode; I knew she was back once I heard the word "conversation". Jackie nicely but firmly shut her down, and said no one wanted to talk strategy, that Audrey should just relax.

Edited July 22, 2015 by Katesus7

[Donny Ketchum]

Watching Austin paw at Liz on the live feeds makes me ill. Yes, she may allow it for now because there is only 1 more week before her sister can enter the house. I'm sure she doesn't want to start any drama that could put even more of a target on her by rejecting Austin outright. He's even offered to throw BOB for her if he had to. You could tell by her body language that she barely tolerates it, she even tried to sleep in Steve's bed last night but was thwarted. It's so freaking creepy how he follows her room to room and is constantly groping her.

Austin wouldn't be the first man to throw his game away for a woman if he really does this.  Nick did it for Daniele in BB8 when he inexplicably told her about the Miss Robinson Alliance he had with Zach, Mike, and Kail.  And Brendon threw his own game away in BB13 when he used the Veto on Rachel, who was on the block with him, instead of himself.

[Cutty]

Shelli spilling info to Audrey for some reason. Says she heard she had a final 2 with JMac. Audrey denies it. Says she forgets his name half the time in DR. Also mentioned she was wacked out on Ativan the past few days.

Edited July 23, 2015 by Cutty

[Cutty]

Audrey to Shelli: I’m not going to go confront those people. I have so much Ativan in my system that I’m literally numb.

Hoo boy.

[choclatechip45]

 

And Brendon threw his own game away in BB13 when he used the Veto on Rachel, who was on the block with him, instead of himself.

Brendon didn't even want to be on BB13. He wanted to leave before jury so he could go back to school.

[Donny Ketchum]

Brendon didn't even want to be on BB13. He wanted to leave before jury so he could go back to school.

Oh, really?  Well, Rachel wasn't forcing him.  He didn't have to go if he didn't want to.  Anyway, even if he did want a pre-jury exit, Kalia and Lawon sure saw to him getting just the opposite.

[njbarmaid]

So gross when BB forgets to mute the mic of the guy going to the bathroom (like Jason, just now).

[Cutty]

Audrey tells Shelli she's not doing press when she's out. I don't actually believe that. That's part of the contract. She's obligated to do it.

[Lady Calypso]

I want to give Audrey the benefit of the doubt with her current situation. I do actually feel concerned for her right now, with her laying around and hiding out so much. Honestly, it's better that she leaves if she is suffering mentally and possibly physically because of this. Maybe she had no idea what it would be like in this house, and maybe a good part of it is because of all her lies and what she did cause to get the house to turn against her. But I doubt she was faking any of it; she seemed to actually have an anxiety attack which I have had a couple myself. I think it's better if she leaves pre-jury, no matter how much I like her. It's better for her health, anyway. 

 

I'd rather Austin went, though. He's legit now Caleb 2.0, but he's not funny like Beast Mode Cowboy was. There's no way Austin would sit down in the middle of a competition and he's not stupid. I would love to know if Austin is aware how creepy and how potentially disgusting he is being toward the women of the house. I know people have complained about Clay, but man I hate Austin more than Clay at this point. Yet again, Steve voices his opinions to the men toward Liz. Meanwhile, I know Liz's choice is to keep this flirtation up but I get that it's kind of a lose-lose situation right now. She can't make any waves in the next week, but she also doesn't want to flirt with Austin anymore. Her body language screams 'I want to get away from this man' and it just sucks. And then Julia comes into the house and Austin's similar toward her! I'm genuinely concerned for both of these girls because Austin is a vote for both of them which is good for their games, but their personal games are going to suffer with him. 

 

I'm gonna need Vanessa to stop encouraging Austin too. I know Vanessa hasn't done much to discourage Austin from the twins, but she needs to. Austin would actually listen to her. He may not take the advice, but he'd listen. But the damn game prevents people from making these personal moves because they don't want to be the next targeted. 

[Cutty]

Audrey told Shelli this will be the betrayal of the summer. Shelli now crying to Clay, basically saying that if CBS is going to make her out to look like a bad person she’s going to self evict. LOL.

This is why I can't stand Shelli. All she cares about is how she's perceived outside the house.

[le bordel chaud]

That's so funny considering the lovely edit Shelli just got. Maybe Audrey should have tried that before the veto ceremony instead of going into the DR for 10 hours. So annoying.

[Kris117]

Yeah, put a sock in it, Shelli. I don't hate her, and think she's playing a good game, but I'd rather read about her than listen to her.

I'd rather Austin went, though. He's legit now Caleb 2.0, but he's not funny like Beast Mode Cowboy was.

…Meanwhile, I know Liz's choice is to keep this flirtation up but I get that it's kind of a lose-lose situation right now. She can't make any waves in the next week, but she also doesn't want to flirt with Austin anymore. Her body language screams 'I want to get away from this man' and it just sucks. And then Julia comes into the house and Austin's similar toward her! I'm genuinely concerned for both of these girls because Austin is a vote for both of them which is good for their games, but their personal games are going to suffer with him. 

 

I'm gonna need Vanessa to stop encouraging Austin too. I know Vanessa hasn't done much to discourage Austin from the twins, but she needs to. Austin would actually listen to her. He may not take the advice, but he'd listen. But the damn game prevents people from making these personal moves because they don't want to be the next targeted.

The only chance Liz has to get out from under this jerk and get his hand off of her thigh is for someone to convince Austin that their "relationship" is putting a target on their backs. I judge the odds of that happening to be approximately equal to the odds of me winning Powerball without buying a ticket.

And I remember reluctantly finding Caleb funny after Amber was driven out of the house. His behavior left a bad taste in my mouth that took a couple of weeks to overcome before I could laugh at him. Until I looked back at some of last season's threads, I had forgotten about that process taking a while.

Speaking of previous seasons, I couldn't help but compare Audrey's meltdown to Candice's (BB 17) teeny tiny crying spell. She bore up under a ridiculous amount of personal abuse, and dealt with it when she shouldn't have had to. Audrey has gone through a lot in her life, but in the house she has no one to blame but herself for being on the block. No one has been mean to her, or personally attacked her, other than to call her out on her lies.

I really like Audrey, and was disappointed to see her charge in so hard at the start of the game. I thought she would realize she was putting herself in jeopardy and adjust her behavior, but she was stuck in lying mode.

[Donny Ketchum]

If you ask me, I think Audrey's current behavior comes down to all of the following.  She loves BB -- the show, the game, everything.  She's wanted to play the game for such a long time.  For years, in fact.  And now, she's finally gotten to play it, but it's going to end for her way earlier than she'd ever expected it to.  She undoubtedly knew that eviction was always a possibility for any houseguest who enters the house.  But no doubt in my mind that she hadn't anticipated getting evicted this early.  And she's told so many lies, it's her own fault that she's finally told the truth about something that could flip the game on its head, only to be believed by very few people.

 

And probably the worst thing of all, it likely sank in that she's got no one to blame but herself for this.  She clearly realizes it.  She has no one to scapegoat for the blame or to help her rationalize it.  She knows that she brought about her current situation with her out-and-out lies and failed manipulations.

 

So that's why she went into the state she was in for the last couple of days.  She was likely trying to deal with it all.

Edited July 23, 2015 by Donny Ketchum

[choclatechip45]

 

Oh, really?  Well, Rachel wasn't forcing him.  He didn't have to go if he didn't want to.  Anyway, even if he did want a pre-jury exit, Kalia and Lawon sure saw to him getting just the opposite.

From what I remember from the feeds that season both Rachel/Jeff wanted to play again and they could only go on BB13 if both Brendon and Jordan came on with them because of the duo twist. I remember Dani talking about it in her post game interviews.

[BlackMamba]

Audrey is a piece of work.

She used production in her strategy to lay it on thick with Shelli.

Then she said she wont be doing press because it hurts. Lance Bass will be taking her place on LIVEChat. Oh and shes not getting booed tomorrow.

Bye Audrey it's ashame you crapped all over your bb when there was someone else out there worthy for your spot.

[le bordel chaud]

If Audrey was such a huge fan, she would have known that the game she played was not a winning strategy. I'm not convinced she was a longtime BB fan. No one has gotten away with the kind of game she has played. Shelly from Season 13 played similar but had a way better social game.

I am not familiar with these orgs or whatever, but they clearly do not translate in real life with actual people. Audrey refused to switch up her game. Point blank and the period.

[Former Nun]

Audrey tells Shelli she's not doing press when she's out. I don't actually believe that. That's part of the contract. She's obligated to do it.

 

 

Has she not broken some of the contract requirements already?

[Donny Ketchum]

If Audrey was such a huge fan, she would have known that the game she played was not a winning strategy. I'm not convinced she was a longtime BB fan. No one has gotten away with the kind of game she has played. Shelly from Season 13 played similar but had a way better social game.

Shelly also knew when to tell the truth and when to lie.  Audrey's main mistake was that she just lied, but rarely knew when to slip some truths in so she could still be trustworthy enough.

[Cutty]

Has she not broken some of the contract requirements already?

She's not breaking rules if production is allowing it. Steve basically just confirmed that's what is happening.

If she gets out of the entire press circuit I'm gonna be a little mad. That's not fair. Then again I wouldn't put it past CBS to let her skip everything so she can have an exclusive on The Talk. That might be their deal. Who knows.

Audrey was fucked after her game was exposed in week 1. She actually got a reprieve and was making strides in the game. She should have been adept enough to know to change her strategy. But right when she was starting to get into a safe position she went right back to how she was playing in the first week.

It's kind of ironic but had she just zonked out in bed for 18 hours a day like she did this week she would've coasted to jury at the very least.

Edited July 23, 2015 by Cutty

[TimWil]

YES, delicatecutter, Audrey has reminded me a lot of Shelly in Season 13. Both played a frenzied game with a maddening amount of needless lies tossed to and fro. Although I despise Shelly more (see what I did there?) because she supposedly adored Jeff and Jordan and totally stabbed them in the back. Her excuse of "I'm playing for my family!" was pathetic because she had made it pretty clear she had a great job and a rather cushy life back home.

Edited July 23, 2015 by TimWil

[Cutty]

LOL, Audrey.

 

[MrsMommy]

LOL, Audrey.

What is she doing

[Cutty]

What is she doing

 

Listening at the wall.

She emerged from the HN room and went into the DR.

[Callaphera]

Must be time for the next Ativan.

[MrsMommy]

Thanks for the quick answer, I was thinking that's an odd angle for the camera and the floor sure looks weird, I wish i had time for live feeds :( but I'm glad I get to read from you all!

[Turtle]

And now I'm really conflicted about what might be going on with her. I still think she has some actual real issues, but now I'm thinking maybe somehow this was all part of a plan on her part. And then I think maybe the fact that she planned all this and did it on purpose is a sign of her real issues. Maybe it's both? I have no idea and I am so confused.

I adored Steve and Julia talking.

Edited July 23, 2015 by Turtle

[Callaphera]

What the fuck was Audrey just doing, wrapped in her blanket and flapping her wings in the HN room? I turned on the feeds just to catch her yelling something at the camera before the feed changed to the living room.

[Katesus7]

What's funny is the show actually gave me more insight for once. I have no idea how I missed even reading about Audrey's conversation with James about needing to target Clay/Shelli and him then telling them, but I think that's what ultimately killed her this week (harsh, but she does like to say she's on her death bed). Does anyone know when that conversation actually happened, because I don't trust the show's timeline. It wasn't in the have not room, so it wasn't her conversation with him AFTER the nonsense.

Tonight's show has also convinced me that BB is cutting Audrey loose, is playing up Shelli/Clay, and Vanessa is now the new Audrey. Boy, Vanessa got a sweetheart edit tonight. All of her outrage over what Audrey was saying, but no flashbacks showing Audrey was 100% correct about her. They could have at least shown Audrey telling people Vanessa made a final two with her, followed by a flashback of that happening. I told my sister that she had to watch tonight, because the show was going to be awesome, and it...wasn't. They didn't even show the house (minus Audrey) meeting!

OK, so Steve and Julia need to hang out more. He needs to convince her to give up the twin secret. Austin needs to lose it, and needs to be the universal target for next week (it seems to be slowly becoming a thing). Universal targets are generally boring for me, but he's super creepy at this point, and I'd like him to go.

[Artsda]

Audrey's a lunatic. I have no idea how they haven't pulled her yet, she's singing about knives in her back. 

[Turtle]

Audrey's little song and dance seemed to me a mockery of the "Is this real?" mini-musical Shelli orchestrated last week. And that just confuses me that much more about what might be going on with her.

[Vixenstud]

Just a couple of hours until Fraudrey the Unibomber (seriously, what in the bluedilly fuck is that outfit about?!) is gone.

 

Funny, how bitch kept saying that the plan was to play like Dexter however Dexter crept up behind your ass and slit your throat first....chile, bye.

Edited July 23, 2015 by Vixenstud

[marie]

After all this debate and worry, turns out she's your run of the mill attention whore. She pouted for 2 days and when people grew tired of her bullshit, she moved on to Frankie-esque "showmanship".

 

Good riddance. I hope she was a big enough pain in the ass behind the scenes that they never ask her back.

[Turtle]

Katesus7, I don't remember exactly when it happened but I know it was no more than a few hours before the Audrey/ Clay dust up poolside argument on Sunday that kicked off this whole drama spiral. James telling Clay and Shelly what Audrey was saying was the catalyst for everything that happened later, sadly. Poor James- he's felt responsible for Audrey being unwell and sad and whatnot because it was him telling Shlay what Audrey said that really blew everything up. Totally not his fault because he wasn't the one lying and trying to turn people against each other, but his poor simple mind feels really sad about it all.