S02.E12: Last Chance For Romance

[Tara Ariano]

The couples are left with one week to decide whether to stay married or get a divorce. Included: Spiritual adviser Greg Epstein encourages the newlyweds to work hard on their relationships.

[pinkelephant3]

Davina is the worst. How can she be so demanding and mean to Sean for not wanting to move when she refuses to move as well!!

[wait.what]

I guess no one is watching this train wreck anymore. No comments??

[I-Kare]

Well my comment is pretty much the same as it has been every week, so I wasn't sure I was going to post it but here goes:

 

Davina & Sean and Jessica & Ryan still - with only a week left - seem soooo uncomfortable together. The two couples still act like they only just met and don't know each other at all. 

 

That's pretty much all I have. I'm only watching now because I rarely stop a show mid way (or in this case, with one week left).

Edited June 3, 2015 by I-Kare

[whoknowswho]

Pretty much sums it up for me, too. I'm watching, but it  bores and annoys me. No hope for 2 couples and possibly there is for Jaclyn and Ryan.

Pretty much sums it up for me, too. I'm watching, but it  bores and annoys me. No hope for 2 couples and possibly there is for Jaclyn and Ryan.

 

[ElectricCityy]

I will have more to say once we see the reunion show. There was no reason to drag this season out for 15 weeks. If they do it again next season I'm gonna have to pass.

[I-Kare]

Pretty much sums it up for me, too. I'm watching, but it  bores and annoys me. No hope for 2 couples and possibly there is for Jaclyn and Ryan.

 

 

Yup! Even their drama is boring to me now. I'd rather see happy couples doing things and believe they're actually spending time together than watch two couples that I guarantee have *not* spent the entire time together and seem to really either dislike each other or just not give a damn. (and by this I mean I don't care as much about the "DRAMA")

Edited June 3, 2015 by I-Kare

[Jack Sampson]

At this point, I download and skip ahead. I watch the whole show in under 5 minutes.

[Snarklepuss]

Sean thinks he is pretty clever, IMO.  He thinks he's got everyone fooled into thinking Davina is the villain because she was unwilling to move for him.  But I for one am not fooled.  Davina was clear about her living situation from day ONE.  He was not in the dark about that and could have put up a fuss about it so that she would know he was not on board with it.  Instead, he passive-aggressively went along with it all the while just so he could look good on TV, meanwhile the truth was much different.  Sean was not clear with Davina about this supposed "promotion" which he is now pulling out at the 11th hour as his convenient excuse to back out of the relationship.  I knew he was going to do this!  I felt it coming.  His coldness when he told her told me this trump card was premeditated and that he has never had one shred of feeling for her.  His little speech to her left me speechless.  It chilled me to the bone.  Davina may have been unwilling to change her living situation but he didn't have to agree to it then drop a bomb at the very end.  He clearly engaged in deception and strung her along to the very end for his own self-serving reasons.  Davina may have her issues, but that guy is sick, IMHO.  I pity any woman that ever gets involved with him.  I can smell his stench like a dead fish on the sidewalk in the 100 degree heat.

Edited June 3, 2015 by Snarklepuss

[mamey2422]

Yup! Even their drama is boring to me now. I'd rather see happy couples doing things and believe they're actually spending time together than watch two couples that I guarantee have *not* spent the entire time together and seem to really either dislike each other or just not give a damn. (and by this I mean I don't care as much about the "DRAMA")

I think you're right. Except for MAYBE Jessica/Ryan, no one is actually living together. They are just coming together for filming or when their work schedule allows them to do more than just use their apartments as a hotel room. I know reality TV is always staged, but it's especially so here, making this experiment very boring.

Edited June 3, 2015 by mamey2422

[Straycat80]

I haven't even watched the whole episode yet, I saw the last 15 minutes. Sean and Davina didn't look too happy.

I will watch the finale to see which couples stay together and if they have a reunion show.

If there is a next season I hope it's more interesting than this one. I thought this one was boring and as someone said 15 weeks which was too long.

[Happenings12]

Davina is the worst. How can she be so demanding and mean to Sean for not wanting to move when she refuses to move as well!!

 

And it's not like her job could impact a person's well being in real time or anything. She's a glorified drug pusher. Excuse me. Pharma rep. :roll eyes here: She could move to the west side and save a ton of drama and commute time for Sean but she won't. It's like she defines her success by living on the UES.

[Happenings12]

Sean thinks he is pretty clever, IMO.  He thinks he's got everyone fooled into thinking Davina is the villain because she was unwilling to move for him.  But I for one am not fooled.  Davina was clear about her living situation from day ONE.

 

 

So? He admitted that and apologized for it. And as my old pappy used to say, "What has that got to do with the here and now?"  He's compromised everytime and hse has yet to offer much less compromise something of her own. You can debate how hard Sean tried, but he tried. She never did. If she is set in her ways and refuses to budge on anything she'll never survive a relationship much less a marriage. maybe that's why her own friends said she can never make it to a second date in the show opener. Marriage is give and take, not take, take then whine about it.

 

As for the promotion, it was a 2 year deal that started before he got involved with the show and he only got the offer after the show started according to Dr C.  Although I'm sure there will be some out there who thinks the doctor is putting his rep on the line to cover for a Sean lie.  Because that makes perfect sense. You're probably right about him saving this as a way out the past few weeks but I can't blame him for that at this point. Who wants to live their life with someone who demands everything but gives you nothing in return then complains about it? Her reactions on twitter shows what kind of person she is, live and edit free. If that is what she is comfortable showing all of us, imagine what she's hiding.

[whoknowswho]

I will have more to say once we see the reunion show. There was no reason to drag this season out for 15 weeks. If they do it again next season I'm gonna have to pass.

Please tell me this terrible "experiment" ends next week? Because I may have to gouge out my eyes if it doesn't.

Boring, boring, terrible, and boring.  Our satellite signal messes up in the rain and I only caught half their words and less actual visual, but I think I missed nothing.

I don't like these people- with the exception of Jaclyn and Ryan sometimes- I don't like any of them. I think Sean needs to run away with the expert guy who clearly likes him more than he likes Davina- I want to see Davina move to a deserted Island where she can say "I ,I ,I, me Me me" and no one will have to hear her, Mr Joey Tribiani (other Ryan) needs to watch a few more episodes of "Friends", and Jessica should go back to reception work, and stop trying to be an actress.  I'm pissed that I've actually watched as much as I have.

[Kiss my mutt]

I'm sick of hearing Davina respond to Sean with "what purpose would that serve?" That is just so dang bitchy.

And I want to send Jaclyn's Ryan to an ent specialist.

I'm with you guys. I'm just ready for it to be over. I watched last night but got so impatient for it to be over.

Edited June 3, 2015 by Kiss my mutt

[Snarklepuss]

So? He admitted that and apologized for it. And as my old pappy used to say, "What has that got to do with the here and now?"  He's compromised everytime and hse has yet to offer much less compromise something of her own. You can debate how hard Sean tried, but he tried. She never did. If she is set in her ways and refuses to budge on anything she'll never survive a relationship much less a marriage. maybe that's why her own friends said she can never make it to a second date in the show opener. Marriage is give and take, not take, take then whine about it.

 

If you want to think all his "compromise" was more than just going through the motions to look good on TV, go right ahead, but I don't think it had anything to do with wanting the relationship.  It was all about how he looked to the public.  This way people could never say he didn't try.  No bad scenes, just BS to get him through.  No one could call him an abuser, etc.  He's pretty clever to hide his dark side like that.  Meanwhile I think the truth was that he never wanted any relationship with anyone.  I think he's hiding behind the cover of the promotion and the distance to make him look legitimate and in a way to blame Davina for the failure of their relationship.  I could see another man wanting to make it work with Davina, but there's no woman who I think could make it work with Sean, no matter where she wanted to live.

[Snarklepuss]

As for the promotion, it was a 2 year deal that started before he got involved with the show and he only got the offer after the show started according to Dr C.  Although I'm sure there will be some out there who thinks the doctor is putting his rep on the line to cover for a Sean lie.  Because that makes perfect sense. You're probably right about him saving this as a way out the past few weeks but I can't blame him for that at this point. Who wants to live their life with someone who demands everything but gives you nothing in return then complains about it? Her reactions on twitter shows what kind of person she is, live and edit free. If that is what she is comfortable showing all of us, imagine what she's hiding.

 

I am actually happy that Davina probably saw through him to some degree all through the experiment and held part of herself back as a result.  If she didn't sense this she probably would have put more of herself out there and made more compromises, IMO.  It's easy to blame her but I give her credit for not falling in love with a jerk and making life changes when she suspected he had no intentions of following through on what he was doing.  It was even obvious to me that he was just going through the motions, so I like to think that part of her wasn't fooled and was waiting to see if he meant what he was doing.  I think by the end she really knew deep down that he was not for real at all.  As for the promotion, there are several reasons to suspect that he ever was promoted and that Dr. C. was only taking him at his word.  Like why is his LinkedIn page completely erased?  And why are there people who supposedly know him calling him a liar?   This is not happening with the other people on the show.  Even if he was telling the truth, to hold that important fact that was 2 years in the making back until the very end?  I don't buy the timing whatsoever.  It was a convenient excuse.  I don't think the excuse was Davina's fault.  He could have used that excuse from Day one but didn't just so he could be on TV and look like he did everything he was supposed to do.  This guy is not a man, IMO.  If it's that Davina is not for him why hide behind the promotion?  This guy is not being honest nor open about himself, that's for sure.  And for that reason, I suspect anything he says or does.

[CindyBee]

Note to A&E/FYI:

 

There was no need for FOURTEEN episodes as the last few weeks have just dragged by with really nothing but filler and way too much Davina/Sean.    Watching TV shouldn't be a chore but that's what its felt like to me since mid season.   Thank goodness the decision is next week but 2 hours long.  Mama Ryan and her cute little dog better make an appearance or at least some fun stuff other than Sean & Davina talking, talking, talking, talking about their crap feelings.  I've never hated two people more than them in a long time in my reality tv watching.   oh well.

[cherry slushie]

Note to A&E/FYI:

 

There was no need for FOURTEEN episodes as the last few weeks have just dragged by with really nothing but filler and way too much Davina/Sean.    Watching TV shouldn't be a chore but that's what its felt like to me since mid season.   Thank goodness the decision is next week but 2 hours long.  Mama Ryan and her cute little dog better make an appearance or at least some fun stuff other than Sean & Davina talking, talking, talking, talking about their crap feelings.  I've never hated two people more than them in a long time in my reality tv watching.   oh well.

Exactly my feelings!  The past 3 episodes have all been the same.  Jessica won't open up and Ryan D. needs to be more affectionate! Jaclyn is an extrovert who constantly takes the lead, and Ryan is an introvert who's been emasculated! Sean doesn't want to live in NYC and Davina is mad because they promised her that wouldn't happen!  WE KNOW!! I'm so over this show.  They've done everything they can to stretch it out, and all we're left with is mostly water and barely any whiskey.

[zxy556575]

Mama Ryan and her cute little dog better make an appearance or at least some fun stuff other than Sean & Davina talking, talking, talking, talking about their crap feelings.  I've never hated two people more than them in a long time in my reality tv watching.

 

Preach! Considering all our dime store psychologizing about which of them is worse -- let's just agree that THEY'RE BOTH HORRIBLE.

 

All three couples were disgracefully matched from the start. If any of them stay together, it's out of fear and pigheadedness.

Edited June 3, 2015 by lordonia

[JapMo]

The ONLY bright spot last night was when the brides from season one appeared for the promo commercial. It was soooo good seeing them.

[CindyBee]

In hindsight, the producers should have pulled Davina/Sean off the show after the "Moving In" episode when we could all tell they were going to implode and we would have been saved from the last few weeks of their horrible storyline.   What a mess that turned out to be and NOT fun at all to watch--it even wasn't a good implosion as they are both such unsympathic people. 

 

For me, they could have filled the dead time with "Life with Mama Ryan" out on Long Island where we could see her life with her little dog and Kayla and hear her stories about how she ended up in the 1960s living with a guy after two weeks cause thats pretty wild for back then, especially for an Irish-Catholic girl like Mama Ryan--I'm assuming she's Irish as most Kathleens I know are.  

[SaucyMommy]

Wow I'm so ready for this to be over. I'm only watching now to find out if Jess and Ryan stick it out after the end. I'm seriously uninterested in them. Davina and Sean are equally to blame. As my husband said he'd not want to be around someone that analytical all the time either. Putting two thinkers together is a recipe for disaster.

[JapMo]

After watching last night's show, I can only assume there's been some major editing done. JesRy had all their dirty laundry aired big time, and now all of a sudden everything is great? No...what probably really happened was they did argue and fight, but they also had some good moments that the show refused to air. Now we're all left scratching our heads and thinking...how did their relationship go from dead in the water to pretty decent?

Same but different with JacRy. I believe he refused to show any conflict while the cameras were rolling. Things were being said last night that we were not privy to, like the fact he said there was a time a few weeks back when he was certain it wasn't going to work. We saw him whine a lot about being homesick, but no real arguments or conflicts with Jaclyn. Last night I listened to all his chirpiness about their relationship and thought...'you're a liar'. It's like Monique said in her assessment of them in the commercial...they don't have any chemistry. The photo shoot was awkward at best. I was embarrassed for them. And a minor complaint but how do you mess up a steak? With two people watching it? That steak wasn't burnt...but it looked as tough as an elephant hide. Of all the couples, I hope these two don't stay together. They are fake and are putting on an act.

Davina & Shawn...no way do they give us that much of a clue that they are not going to stay together unless they really are. The show is trying to convince us there's no hope for these two and you watch...at the very end Davina will say she'd like to stay married.

[I-Kare]

I didn't watch last year, so I was going to ask: was last year's final episodes mainly therapy sessions like this season? it just seems weird that the last three episodes have mainly been the couples meeting with therapists and then performing their little tasks. Was that the same last year?

That is what makes me think none of the couples actually spend time together other than when the cameras roll (except Jacyln and Ryan who seem to actually enjoy each other's company). Maybe there's nothing else to show? (That's why I'm asking, if last year was the same then clearly I'm wrong.)

 

Also, like I said above, Davina/Sean and Jessica/Ryan act like they barely know each other. I realize they were strangers when they married and started this process/experiment/whatever but college roommates often don't know each other when they move in together, and I guarantee you most (if they spend any time together cohabitating) know each other and are more comfortable around each other in the same amount of time as these couples have had. Unless they 1) don't like each other and regret their room assignments or 2) don't actually spend time together.

[Snarklepuss]

But that's just your feelings on the matter....your opinion. I'm talking cold hard facts. We don't know what was in his heart when he compromised, BUT HE DID IT. SHE REFUSED. I'm taking all the emotion and opinion out of it and just looking at the facts as we know them because at the end of the day that is the only truth we really know. He tried, admitted his faults and she refused to do either everytime. Then she goes on a tirade on twitter blaming him for everything and taking no blame herself. Those are the facts that we've seen. Granted they were edited and pieced together on the

show but they can't make a person look like a "villain" if said person doesn't give them ample footage to do so.

 

You're absolutely right, this is about my opinion, like many others similarly voiced.  But the facts can be misleading about what's written on subjective human hearts as they aren't so cut and dried and easily observed as inanimate things.  That's why we have a uniquely human quality called "intuition" which helps us see beyond the outward facts to what's going on inside people.  Unfortunately everyone's intuition is different.  You don't have to believe that I'm right.  I really don't care if the entire world doubts my intuition, I have learned after over 50 years on the planet to trust mine.  I have seen the likes of Sean before and what he said about the promotion was a surprise to Davina.  You can't fake her reaction, she was really floored.  It just showed me what he was made of.

 

And as to Davina, I've already said that she was up front about what her deal breakers were.  I don't think they were selfish.  She has every right to want to stay in Manhattan and she told the show that.  I think it was selfish for Sean to be misleading with her AND the show and Dr. C. about how flexible he was willing to be about relocating given her deal breaker.

[JapMo]

- Jessica got Ryan D an engraved money clip and he got her some favorite perfume and they went to a fancy restaurant

- Sean got Davina a Bible and she got him a rosary and they went bowling

- I can't remember what Jaclyn and Ryan R got each other....I hope it wasn't the overcooked steak. And what did they do together? Was it that pseudo sexy photo shoot? I thought Jessica said she set that up to try to jumpstart their sex life.

[TeapotWakeen]

There were banana socks and a beer bottle opener for one set of gifts (both helpful when living in a basement).... and... er.... um.... I think another bottle of perfume?  Someone stopped at the corner drugstore on the way to filming, methinks.

[JapMo]

 

There were banana socks and a beer bottle opener for one set of gifts (both helpful when living in a basement).... and... er.... um.... I think another bottle of perfume?  Someone stopped at the corner drugstore on the way to filming, methinks.

 

That might have been the part where I dozed off. I don't remember it.

[Barbara]

After last night's pornographic shoot, my respect for the show is so dimished I am not going to watch it again; however my curiosity as to the participants' decisions will have me checking that out later. I'm thinking that Sean and Davina will make a commitment.

[Liberty]

Love, simply love, Davina and Doofus wearing matching t-shirts when mounting their wedding photos.  Frequently just one of them looks stupid at a time, this time they both had simultaneous stupid looks.  He's spent 5 weeks with her, knows she values ambition, but has yet to tell her he is seeking a promotion at work until the end of the show.

 

At the end, Davina says "For what purpose?".  I found that an odd selection of words thinking it would be more common to hear 'Why?' or 'Why would we do that?'.

 

Ryan D's tattoos look trashy.

 

Jessica's eye makeup during the gift exchange, just wow.

[rulesoftravel]

 

Davina is the worst. How can she be so demanding and mean to Sean for not wanting to move when she refuses to move as well!!

She bought an apartment in Manhattan.  Bought, not rented.   On the questionnaire , she said she could not move  for 2 years and was not open to a relationship with anyone who would not live in New York.

Sean said he would move to New York on the questionnaire.  He won't.     

Sean lied.  Davina  didn't.   And omg, the way he talks about sex as "below the Mason/Dixon line;"  is he 12?

 

 

I'm thinking that Sean and Davina will make a commitment.

Have you seen her facebook page and twitter?  If they do, it will be a great job by Davina of masking it, because she retweets every mean thing anyone says about Sean. And she should also get an Emmy for acting.

Ryan and Jaclyn, they might actually stick together after the "experiment."

Edited June 3, 2015 by rulesoftravel

[Gigi43]

Anyone see Jamie, Courtney and Monet give their picks in a commercial break? I love the one they all agreed on was Davina and Sean won't last. In the interviews he acts like Davina doesn't want to be physical but the other footage says the opposite. Weird.

What is with Jess and Ryan bringing up the wedding money yet again? When Jess did it first I was expecting a blow up because it did seem like a weird dig. But then they both made such a huge deal about "yeah we're using the wedding money!"

I hope Mama R and Kayla weren't watching the photo shoot. I know when you try on clothes in a store you don't know who else did, but Jac wearing "used" clothes of that variety creeps me out I could never.

[cardigirl]

The ONLY bright spot last night was when the brides from season one appeared for the promo commercial. It was soooo good seeing them.

I enjoyed seeing them, but was a bit put off by the never or forever bit.  Not sure why.  

[JapMo]

Stereotyping here, I know, but the two friends who showed up to bowl with Sean & Davina......OMG, they looked like they just walked off the docks. Or work for a place that loans money and breaks kneecaps. These guys are HUGE. Just could not imagine metrosexual Sean hanging with them. And then, LOL, they're giving them marital advice. I got a good laugh out of it.

[humbleopinion]

Davina had more genuine fun with those Jersey boys at the bowling alley than any of the time spent with Sean.

Agreed, very dubious that they are friends of Sean.

Probably some guys from his  beloved Tuesday Bowling League who were paid to show up.

Couldn't you see Sean throwing a hissy fit when the producers wouldn't let him wear his magic bowling shoes or use his special hooking, strike throwing bowling ball.

As usual, he has excuses in the ready for his poor performance.

Davina, put that excuse with the others preferably the furry purse from the skiing honeymoon.

Edited June 3, 2015 by humbleopinion

[JapMo]

 

I enjoyed seeing them, but was a bit put off by the never or forever bit.  Not sure why.

 I agree with you on that. It was insensitive.

[Snarklepuss]

If you knew someone well enough to know all their faults to a T then you should have no trouble proving you know them. It's common sense. I could make 10 different profiles claiming I knew Ryan D and that he was a spouse beater, but that doesn't automatically make it true and should be taken with a huge grain of salt by all who read it. Why are you so sure these people are telling the truth when they never backed it up with any kind of facts? Why are so many willing to jump off the deep end into conspiracy land based on smoke and mirrors? Hell, maybe you're right about him but there is no real proof other than hunches. I'll stick to the facts we can ALL see and hear ourselves.

 

Facts can lie.  It depends on how you look at them and which facts you're looking at at any given time.  Everyone looks at them differently, and uses them to come to their own conclusions.  This show and the people on it are not a science experiment.  It's a social experiment and as such isn't made up of the sum of its parts.  It's dealing in matters that are far too nebulous to make factual claims about.  I for one am not jumping off the deep end on any conspiracy train.  I use my own gut instinct to make decisions about people based on what I observe.  I am not sure about anything.  I voice my suspicions and my opinions, which are not written in stone.  I have changed my opinions based on new or different information in the past.  There is nothing about this that is a hard science or certain in any way.  If anyone is not comfortable dealing in hunches, opinions and other uncertainties, there's a really nice Science Channel that deals in objective, cut and dried (non-human) matters that  might be more comfortable for them.

[aven]

Davina is a control freak, but she was very clear from the beginning she wanted to stay put in NYC no matter what--that includes promotions, alien invasions, acts of nature, etc.  Talk about inflexible!  Her superior attitude is hurtful and demeaning to Sean who cannot reason or discuss anything with her because it's her way or the highway.  In the segment with the sexologist, she apologizes for anything she did wrong then very sincerely asks, "What did I do wrong?"  She does not see any faults or shortcomings in herself, so Sean is better off taking his promotion and running away as fast as possible.  My favorite couple was Ryan and Jaclyn until Ryan had his "I'm losing my family, I WANNA GO HOME!" meltdown.  Really?  He is definitely NOT ready for marriage and needs to stay put in his mother's basement until he grows up (which may be never).  Unless Jaclyn wants to live in the basement, she better not marry this guy.  Jessica and Ryan will stay together but Mr. Hothead will no doubt rear his ugly head frequently so Jessica better arm herself with patience and psychologists.  

[JapMo]

 

Davina had more genuine fun with those Jersey boys at the bowling alley than any of the time spent with Sean.

Agreed, very dubious that they are friends of Sean.

Probably some guys from his  beloved Tuesday Bowling League who were paid to show up.

Couldn't you see Sean throwing a hissy fit when the producers wouldn't let him wear his magic bowling shoes or use his special hooking, strike throwing bowling ball.

As usual, he has excuses in the ready for his poor performance.

Davina, put that excuse with the others preferably the furry purse from the skiing honeymoon.

 

LOL, I could see from where he was placing the ball on the alley that he throws a huge hook...and he tried to compensate with the house ball by spinning it, but it wasn't moving. Don't know if Davina was as bad as they acted like she was, but he stunk.

[humbleopinion]

Sean tries to set up situations where he can succeed but they backfire on him.

Producers sabatoging him because they are sick of his bragging?

Davina taking secret bowling lessons on his working days?

Think she is driven just to beat him at his own game, literally.

[rulesoftravel]

 

Davina is a control freak, but she was very clear from the beginning she wanted to stay put in NYC no matter what--that includes promotions, alien invasions, acts of nature, etc.

I really think Sean should consider that Davina bought an apartment in NYC.  It's not easy to get out of that and she agreed to move after two years of marriage when the apartment would have some equity.   

I think Sean is a lying , inept, manipulative non-bowler.

 

Interesting spec on one of the spoiler sites that Ryan D might have been nudged into "remembering" Jess's favorite perfume.

For someone who has been on another TV show, he certainly does not seem to get how he comes across.

The big moment of the whole show was when Jess's cat got off the refrigerator and actually sat with them.  (I've been very concerned about that cat.)

Edited June 3, 2015 by rulesoftravel

[Snarklepuss]

I even kind of wonder how truthful Sean was about being a good bowler.  That was probably before Davina called his bluff on it and he had to actually bowl.  And yes to those "friends" being guys he paid off to come down and pose as his friends and yes to them probably being in his bowling league.

[CindyBee]

I didn't watch last year, so I was going to ask: was last year's final episodes mainly therapy sessions like this season? it just seems weird that the last three episodes have mainly been the couples meeting with therapists and then performing their little tasks. Was that the same last year?

That is what makes me think none of the couples actually spend time together other than when the cameras roll (except Jacyln and Ryan who seem to actually enjoy each other's company). Maybe there's nothing else to show? (That's why I'm asking, if last year was the same then clearly I'm wrong.)

 

 

 

Yes our friendly experts made home visits last year too but I don't remember at what stage of the process.  To me it seemed much earlier in the process but I'm not 100% sure.  And one of the brides, Jamie, claims it was the experts help that made her say "yes" to staying married to Doug.    

[sleekandchic]

....I think Sean is a lying , inept, manipulative non-bowler......

I just love this!

Plus, I think he's unusually short (not that he can help that, but I just can't stand him, so I guess I'm fine with mentioning his shortcomings). Whenever he's seated at a table, all I see is his head, shoulders and a little bit of upper torso. Like a liitle kid sitting at the grownups' table. He needs a booster seat! :)

Edited June 3, 2015 by sleekandchic

[Neurochick]

I don't get that Davina is unreasonable.  She was the one who said she would not move for a spouse.  Sean said he would.  Sean had to move and freaked out because he realized he'd have to move to Manhattan.  If he didn't want to leave Jersey, he should have said so.  

 

I watched the three couples as they talked to the spiritual expert.  Sean and Davina sat like two strangers.  Ryan and Jessica sort of sat like a couple.  Ryan and Jaclyn sat like a real couple, so we'll see next week.

[jamblastx]

Awful Awful Awful yet again.  I like everyone else is counting down for this nightmare to end.

 

• Jacklyn/Nasal Ryan - Please never cook again.  I think they genuinely like each other but that's probably it.  Maybe they will continue to 'try' but I don't think it will last
• Jessica/Trashy Ryan - She is sooo ALL IN and delusional.  To me she is someone who has been in such awful relationships and has been a doormat in them, that she is seeing Ryan's 'transformation' with rose colored glasses.  Plus Ryan is constantly saying 'I have learned that I tell it like it is and Jess is too passive.  I now recognize this'  like it's a hostage video.  Always saying the same thing as if he was fed the line and is spewing it out for the cameras.  She will obviously vote yes to stay together...not sure about him.  He may do so just to 'save face' as I think this 'transformation' is him realizing that he may not be coming off that well.  Even if he sticks it out, it will be for the short term
• Davina Me Me Me Me Me/Sean Analysis - I hate them both.  I not only want them not to be together anymore, but not be with anyone else as well.  But I do blame the experts for putting these two together rather than these two individuals.  The only thing that I will defend Sean with the moving situation is he did at least try.  Yes a somewhat half-assed attempt at it considering that he stated he would relocate however even if he had to go back to Central NJ a few times a week, how is this any different than someone who travels 40% of the time for their job?  Would Davina be so bent out of shape if he was an executive that was traveling a lot during the week?  Something tells me that would be ok with her.

 

Anyway....thank god there is a light at the end of this tunnel

[okerry]

Davina is the worst. How can she be so demanding and mean to Sean for not wanting to move when she refuses to move as well!!

I do not understand how someone could say they want to be married - want it enough to marry a complete stranger! - but insist they won't leave their apartment! It doesn't matter whether Sean supposedly agreed to this or not - that's really not the point.

 

The point is, how can you possibly expect to MARRY someone but still keep your home and life exactly the way it is and not change it?? Isn't that kind of the point of being married - that you if you bring another person into your life, your life IS going to change?

 

I have seen women like this before, both on TV and In Real Life. They cry all the time over not being married, but don't want to change a thing about their lives and schedules. They fully expect a husband to 100% adjust to them and somehow make them happy, and never seem to grasp the idea that Marriage = Change and Adjustment in All Parts of Your Life.

 

If anyone here also watches Arranged, Ragini is the same way - wanted to be married, but didn't want to have to change a thing about her life. Although she seems to be learning better now, after last night's ep.

 

Davina, on the other hand, hasn't learned a thing. She acts like she was getting a puppy, not a husband.

[rulesoftravel]

 

Jessica/Trashy Ryan - She is sooo ALL IN and delusional.  To me she is someone who has been in such awful relationships and has been a doormat in them, that she is seeing Ryan's 'transformation' with rose colored glasses.  Plus Ryan is constantly saying 'I have learned that I tell it like it is and Jess is too passive.  I now recognize this'  like it's a hostage video.  Always saying the same thing as if he was fed the line and is spewing it out for the cameras.  She will obviously vote yes to stay together...not sure about him.  He may do so just to 'save face' as I think this 'transformation' is him realizing that he may not be coming off that well.  Even if he sticks it out, it will be for the short term

Well, Jessica is an actress.  Ryan has been on another show before.  I'm not sure we can believe anything either says, but her cat likes both of them. 

 

 

 

I do not understand how someone could say they want to be married - want it enough to marry a complete stranger! - but insist they won't leave their apartment! It doesn't matter whether Sean supposedly agreed to this or not - that's really not the point.

An apartment she bought and has delayed moving into , so that she could have this "experience."  It's not that easy to get out of that and the show knew it ahead of time.

Edited June 3, 2015 by rulesoftravel

[Neurochick]

I do not understand how someone could say they want to be married - want it enough to marry a complete stranger! - but insist they won't leave their apartment! It doesn't matter whether Sean supposedly agreed to this or not - that's really not the point.

The point is, how can you possibly expect to MARRY someone but still keep your home and life exactly the way it is and not change it?? Isn't that kind of the point of being married - that you if you bring another person into your life, your life IS going to change?

 

 

Shoot, men do that all the time.  I know so many women who have given up their careers, families, friends, whatever to go where their men were.  

 

As I saw it, Davina said she wouldn't move, now the show either could have told her to forget it, or found her a man in Manhattan, not matched her with someone who lived in New Jersey.  Also, Sean said he would move.  The moral of this is, be careful what you say to get on a reality show.