WendyCR72 October 20, 2015 Author Share October 20, 2015 Both Ice T and Martha Plimpton were great in this one. It's not often we get to see Fin develop a connection to a victim this way. I loved it! It goes to show how good she was, but Martha Plimpton's Jo Gage was so damned creepy on L&O: CI that when I see her in a sympathetic role, I have a hard time buying it. LOL. But I do agree that that was a great scene for both Martha Plimpton and Ice-T. 3 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/27259-show-analysis-dr-huang-will-see-you-now/page/6/#findComment-1620910
Arcey October 20, 2015 Share October 20, 2015 (edited) Not sure if this is the right thread for this, but don't know where else to post it. I just watched a few of the Dani eps for the first time. Not having followed SVU that closely over the years, and mostly watching reruns, I still catch lots of mid-span eps I've never seen. I didnt know until watching several eps in a row with Dani that her tenure was so short. I didn't like her character much, so I was glad she was gone after only 6 eps. Which brings me to my question: I think the ep was titled Underbelly, and after she and Elliott and Casey go out for a drink, Elliott walks Dani to her car and they end up having a few very passionate kisses (and very hot, I might add), even ignoring their phones,. But when they cant ignore the phones ringing any longer, they leave for the crime scene, or wherever. Then it's like it never happened, and i don't think it's mentioned again in that ep, or the next, which I believe was Dani's last. Huh? Did I just imagine a super hot makeout session? Can anyone whose watched this more regularly than I tell me what I missed? I know there was an awkward moment when Stabler introduces Kathy to Dani, and I assume Elliott was separated from Kathy at the time, but I still don't know if we're supposed to assume there's been more than we got to see in that parking lot scene. It was so weird seeing Stabler be with a woman romantically, or sexually, other than Kathy. There were a few sexual energy moments wih Olivia over the years, but never any action. And speaking of action, there were a couple of super hot and steamy eps with Elliott and Kathy. One was in the early years, and it reminded me of sexy Chris Meloni from Oz. I don't think SVU ever let Stabler be that sexy after that early ep., which was okay with me. Too distracting for a cop drama for my tender eyes. :) Edited October 20, 2015 by Arcey 2 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/27259-show-analysis-dr-huang-will-see-you-now/page/6/#findComment-1623701
Spartan Girl October 22, 2015 Share October 22, 2015 The doctor that was killed by a home invader in "Tangled" was a douchebag. It turned out that he paid the guy to kill his wife so he could marry his mistress (played Paris in Gilmore Girls), but karma comes back to bite him in the ass when the guy decided to kill him and just rape the wife because he wanted the mistress all to himself. I felt so terrible for the wife when Benson and Stabler had to tell her everything at the end. There's nothing worse than finding out someone you loved tried to kill you. 3 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/27259-show-analysis-dr-huang-will-see-you-now/page/6/#findComment-1631205
fitzcarraldo October 23, 2015 Share October 23, 2015 The doctor that was killed by a home invader in "Tangled" was a douchebag. It turned out that he paid the guy to kill his wife so he could marry his mistress (played Paris in Gilmore Girls), but karma comes back to bite him in the ass when the guy decided to kill him and just rape the wife because he wanted the mistress all to himself. I felt so terrible for the wife when Benson and Stabler had to tell her everything at the end. There's nothing worse than finding out someone you loved tried to kill you. I watched this the other day. I hated them and wished the wife could get a do over in life and not be married to him. 3 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/27259-show-analysis-dr-huang-will-see-you-now/page/6/#findComment-1634995
Spartan Girl October 26, 2015 Share October 26, 2015 Fin and Munch looking for a suspect's cat in "Tangled". I don't know what part was funnier: Fin crawling around going " Here pussy, pussy, pussy!" or Munch calling the cat "you demonic little furball!" I also laugh at this one moment where a police dog is trailing a rape suspect and Fin goes "If he catches the rapist, I'll pin the medal on the pooch myself!" 4 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/27259-show-analysis-dr-huang-will-see-you-now/page/6/#findComment-1643543
Bryce Smith October 27, 2015 Share October 27, 2015 (edited) Spartan Girl, on 22 Oct 2015 - 5:53 PM, said:Spartan Girl, on 22 Oct 2015 - 5:53 PM, said: The doctor that was killed by a home invader in "Tangled" was a douchebag. It turned out that he paid the guy to kill his wife so he could marry his mistress (played Paris in Gilmore Girls), but karma comes back to bite him in the ass when the guy decided to kill him and just rape the wife because he wanted the mistress all to himself. I felt so terrible for the wife when Benson and Stabler had to tell her everything at the end. There's nothing worse than finding out someone you loved tried to kill you. I would've liked to have seen more of the wife's reaction when she found out that she was the one who was supposed to have died. As it was, her eyebrows just raised a bit, but that was it. I'd like to offer up vile Trip from "Blood Brothers." He rapes a girl his own age and threatens her into keeping quiet, and that came after convincing her that they would be together in a fairy-tale romance when he had no intention of doing so. I was more than relieved when little Arturo offed him. Edited October 27, 2015 by Bryce Smith 6 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/27259-show-analysis-dr-huang-will-see-you-now/page/6/#findComment-1645008
Bryce Smith October 27, 2015 Share October 27, 2015 Fin and Rollins busting all of the people involved in the illegal Internet server in "Russian Brides." I love how they promise they'll let them go if they help them, and then bring in the cops to bust them, anyway. The head of the group protests to this, but Rollins simply replies, "Ain't life a bitch?" with the biggest mocking smile ever on her face. 6 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/27259-show-analysis-dr-huang-will-see-you-now/page/6/#findComment-1645035
kalamac November 5, 2015 Share November 5, 2015 I love this from the first season episode Slaves: Randolph Morrow: Honey, I'd like a mineral water, no ice.Detective Olivia Benson: And I'd like your balls in a blender, but ain't life a bitch? Remember when Olivia was all tough and kickass all the time, instead of being all weepy. I also love, from one of my favourite episodes 'Guilt', the bit where Alex loses it at the detectives, all "I am not out of line, and I don't work for you! You work for me, at my discretion." Poor Alex spent most of that episode needing a hug. 2 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/27259-show-analysis-dr-huang-will-see-you-now/page/6/#findComment-1676039
kalamac November 5, 2015 Share November 5, 2015 The early Alex Cabot seasons were my favourites. I stopped watching probably around season 8, but tried picking it up again when Alex came back, and it was just too ridiculous for me. Too many episodes with 'plot twists' that made no sense. 1 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/27259-show-analysis-dr-huang-will-see-you-now/page/6/#findComment-1676050
Bryce Smith November 5, 2015 Share November 5, 2015 (edited) Well, "Soulless" from season four gave me another entry here. Mitch Wilkens, aka Eric Wayne Proctor. As a kid, he tortures a three-year-old boy to death, fools his counselors in juvie to get out two years early with good behavior, and then kills socialite Chloe Dutton after getting her gang-raped. And along with this, he makes his mother lie for him while giving her a bracelet he gets off Chloe's body. At his trial, even his own mother admits that he's a terrible person who shouldn't be out among society. And at the end, to make matters worse, it's found out that the brownstone he was living in belonged to an old woman he murdered, and he won't give up where he stashed her body to Elliot and Olivia. Sociopathy at its (not-so-)finest, ladies and gentlemen. Edited November 5, 2015 by Bryce Smith 9 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/27259-show-analysis-dr-huang-will-see-you-now/page/6/#findComment-1676098
Spartan Girl November 5, 2015 Share November 5, 2015 I loved the moment in last night's episode where Fin and Carisi get pulled over by a local cop and we are led to think he's in the Baker/Duggar's and the corrupt judge's pocket, but instead he sneaks them the evidence they need against the huge. Let's hear it for honest cops! 7 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/27259-show-analysis-dr-huang-will-see-you-now/page/6/#findComment-1676438
TD3000 November 5, 2015 Share November 5, 2015 Bit of a side note, but for some reason I couldn't buy the blonde from Lost Traveler being an evil sociopath at the end (maybe it was the actress). I was irritated with her more than horrified. Contrast that with Missy from Damaged, who I totally bought as a legit monster. She says to Cabot at the end "you can't kill me, I'm already dead". I agree about Jake from Conscious being insincere and hiding that devious smile. When Kyle MacLachlan's character confronted him in the court hallway, Jake turned around and made this gesture like he was saying "yeah, I killed your son, WHAT?". I'll add some different children to the thread later. 8 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/27259-show-analysis-dr-huang-will-see-you-now/page/6/#findComment-1677052
Dale Griffin November 6, 2015 Share November 6, 2015 TD3000, on 05 Nov 2015 - 11:00 AM, said:Bit of a side note, but for some reason I couldn't buy the blonde from Lost Traveler being an evil sociopath at the end (maybe it was the actress). I was irritated with her more than horrified. Contrast that with Missy from Damaged, who I totally bought as a legit monster. She says to Cabot at the end "you can't kill me, I'm already dead". Okay, so her delivery was kind of off. But you could still tell from her words (if not her actual tone) that she was completely remorseless and without regret. That, to me, is the sign of a sociopath. I do agree on the actress playing Missy, though. She completely sold what a sociopath she was. 6 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/27259-show-analysis-dr-huang-will-see-you-now/page/6/#findComment-1680409
PrincessEnnui November 9, 2015 Share November 9, 2015 In one of the early seasons, there was an episode which focused on a group of Black men who were on the down low with each other which featured this satisfying exchange: Suspect: I am not gay. I have relationships with women and sex with men! Finn: That. Makes. You. Gay. Now, Finn didn't say it exactly as typed, but it was a slow, firm statement that shut the suspect right up. So, satisfying. Also doubles as funny. 6 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/27259-show-analysis-dr-huang-will-see-you-now/page/6/#findComment-1688172
AntiBeeSpray November 9, 2015 Share November 9, 2015 This... I vaguely remember it, and I got a good laugh out of you guys mentioning about it on the boards. 7 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/27259-show-analysis-dr-huang-will-see-you-now/page/6/#findComment-1689007
Lillybee November 9, 2015 Share November 9, 2015 A strip club owner when being questioned about why he uses gay strippers said that they bring in money and then went on to say he would use dog strippers if dogs weren't naked already and had money to spend. 3 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/27259-show-analysis-dr-huang-will-see-you-now/page/6/#findComment-1689106
DixonVixen2359 November 9, 2015 Share November 9, 2015 The film students making Rosemary's Bridesmaid offer to give SVU the footage in exchange for a blurb from a real SVU Capt. Cragen: "I catch killers for a living but even I wasn't prepared for the horror of Rosemary's Bridesmaid." "I gotta say this?" Munch:"I've seen it. Believe me, nothing could prepare you for that piece of schlock." 2 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/27259-show-analysis-dr-huang-will-see-you-now/page/6/#findComment-1689904
Princess Sparkle November 10, 2015 Share November 10, 2015 This... I vaguely remember it, and I got a good laugh out of you guys mentioning about it on the boards. Monkagen is truly the ship for the ages. That episode has so many hilarious moments that it's hard to choose a favorite. I just can't choose between: -"Look, there's bling the hyena vomit!" -Warner clearly having done a rotation in exotic veterinary medicine, because she could tell the species of tiger by its saliva. -Olivia's hooker accent changing from southern to "grizzled 85 year old madam" in the span of 10 seconds. -A tiger getting bought off of ebay OR -Elliot getting someone straight up murdered and everyone's reaction is basically "eh. So, what's for lunch?" 7 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/27259-show-analysis-dr-huang-will-see-you-now/page/6/#findComment-1694191
PrincessEnnui November 11, 2015 Share November 11, 2015 -Elliot getting someone straight up murdered and everyone's reaction is basically "eh. So, what's for lunch?" Okay, this legit made me laugh. That said, Elliot's negligence pisses me off. 1 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/27259-show-analysis-dr-huang-will-see-you-now/page/6/#findComment-1696731
Lillybee November 11, 2015 Share November 11, 2015 The kid in Born Psychopath was chilling. It must be horrible for a parent to know that their child was so wrong. Mom seemed to know it but dad was in serious denial. 8 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/27259-show-analysis-dr-huang-will-see-you-now/page/6/#findComment-1697440
marriedaniac November 11, 2015 Share November 11, 2015 Cragen coming out of the toilet stall: "I am not tipping all of you." 7 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/27259-show-analysis-dr-huang-will-see-you-now/page/6/#findComment-1697763
Spartan Girl November 15, 2015 Share November 15, 2015 (edited) Deacon Brinn from "Quarry." The fact that he was molested as a child didn't justify his choice to rape (and murder) another boy...and then he grew up to molest more boys, including HIS OWN SON. His wife deserved a Mother of the Year title for shooting the bastard when she found out. I hope a jury saw it that way too. Edited November 15, 2015 by Spartan Girl 4 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/27259-show-analysis-dr-huang-will-see-you-now/page/6/#findComment-1712192
marceline November 19, 2015 Share November 19, 2015 USA has now gotten to the Sharon Stone episodes. I'd forgotten how obnoxious she was. They did the same thing with Sonya Paxton. I'm trying to figure out why SVU decided that every guest ADA had to be a ballbuster. Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/27259-show-analysis-dr-huang-will-see-you-now/page/6/#findComment-1729397
Spartan Girl November 21, 2015 Share November 21, 2015 his son was one of the victims on tape, so yeah he did it. Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/27259-show-analysis-dr-huang-will-see-you-now/page/6/#findComment-1734363
Spartan Girl November 25, 2015 Share November 25, 2015 Since we have a thread for unsympathetic victims, I though why not start a thread for the criminals we actually found sympathetic, even if we didn't condone their actions. The first one that comes to mind is Agnes from "Mean", who finally cracked and killed a girl after being bullied one time too many. It was obvious the school didn't really look out for her since they basically did nothing while the Mean Girl sociopaths tortured her. And then that whole thing at the end where someone HUNG A DEAD PIG on her locker...ugh. 5 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/27259-show-analysis-dr-huang-will-see-you-now/page/6/#findComment-1749133
fitzcarraldo November 25, 2015 Share November 25, 2015 I felt bad for Agnes too. I pitied the teen played by Hayden Patteniere. She killed the pervert doctor holding a sex tape over her head. I didn't feel like she was a cold blooded killer. 3 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/27259-show-analysis-dr-huang-will-see-you-now/page/6/#findComment-1749257
FozzyBear November 27, 2015 Share November 27, 2015 I felt bad for Agnes too. I pitied the teen played by Hayden Patteniere. She killed the pervert doctor holding a sex tape over her head. I didn't feel like she was a cold blooded killer. I felt bad for her too. We're we supposed to think she was HIV+ too? I was confused about so many things in that episode. It's from the period when episodes just went on and on and on with on shocking twist after another...and no real point. 1 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/27259-show-analysis-dr-huang-will-see-you-now/page/6/#findComment-1752880
Spartan Girl November 29, 2015 Share November 29, 2015 Thought of some more: The girl in "Home Invasions" who arranged to have her parents killed because her dad was molesting her and the mom basically let him. I know it was wrong, but who could blame her? The husband of Maria Bello's psycho drug addict character in "Rescue" who basically got shoehorned out of his own son's life because Maria ran off with another woman and basically lied to everyone that the dad abandoned him The cuckholded husband in "Paternity" who found out that his son wasn't biologically his, and snapped and killed his wife after she was going to take his son and never let him see him again (without the slightest regard of the little boy's feelings in the matter). Emma in "Alien": Another bullied kid who snapped and attacked one of kids that bullied her, although I don't think the boy deserved to be paralyzed for the rest of his life. 2 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/27259-show-analysis-dr-huang-will-see-you-now/page/6/#findComment-1756200
AntiBeeSpray November 29, 2015 Share November 29, 2015 Robin Williams (Merritt Rook) in "Authority". I felt sorry for how he had faith in the doctor who ended up killing his wife and son and how that faith was misplaced. What Merritt did was wrong, but what he brought up about how people can be sheep, is so very true imo. 4 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/27259-show-analysis-dr-huang-will-see-you-now/page/6/#findComment-1756510
Bastet December 2, 2015 Share December 2, 2015 (edited) The first one that comes to mind is Agnes from "Mean", who finally cracked and killed a girl after being bullied one time too many. The actor who played Agnes is a friend of a friend, so I'm somewhat biased, but I agree. When she says those killer girls went to jail, yet not a damn thing changed at school, I definitely feel sympathy despite her actions. I mostly remember early seasons (I haven't watched this show in eons, and generally only watch early years in syndication), but there have been a number of sympathetic perps. The slow-witted kid who got caught up in his sadistic friend's rape and murder of a "drug-dealing" (she was a cancer patient providing marijuana to fellow sufferers) woman. He just kept lying about the most basic stuff and asking if he could go home, incapable of fully understanding what was happening. (I think this is the one where Liz Donnelly moves Alex from second to first chair, since "the jury thinks [she makes] little kids cry." And then his mother is so convinced the jury will grasp the dynamics of the situation and absolve her kid that she turns down a sweet deal on his behalf, and he winds up with the book thrown at him. The women in the pilot. The battered woman who had to sexually service the judge in order to keep her husband in jail, who killed the sleazy judge when he reneged on the deal and ordered her violent husband released. Tess Harper and Mrs. Closure Rapist (Cleary?). I am not at all a proponent of vigilante "justice." But women get screwed by the sytem so often, that every once in a while I can stomach it on TV. The developmentally disabled man who raped an elderly woman because the burglars had left her tied up in her nightgown, something he recognized from porn; he never understood what he did, was embarrassed to be declared "retarded" in court, and wound up institutionalized. The molested piano student who became a reluctant molester himself. Cheryl Avery. The mother who mercy killed her daughter with Tay-Sachs. Kyle McLachlan, who kills his son's killer - a sociopathic teen who, as he says, would kill again. Edited December 2, 2015 by Bastet 7 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/27259-show-analysis-dr-huang-will-see-you-now/page/6/#findComment-1765446
auchic December 2, 2015 Share December 2, 2015 Cheryl Avery. God, this. That episode was on last night and I forgot how horrible it was for her: parents misgendering her and then kicking her out, the boyfriend's brother attacking her, then her boyfriend committing suicide, her lawyer using her for "the cause", and then that ending...the whole thing was disturbing as hell. Plus the whole SVU squad-save Benson, and even she had her moments-were pretty gross. 6 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/27259-show-analysis-dr-huang-will-see-you-now/page/6/#findComment-1765516
Spartan Girl December 2, 2015 Share December 2, 2015 Lord, how could I forget poor Cheryl? They could have at least sent her to a women's prison, but no.... 5 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/27259-show-analysis-dr-huang-will-see-you-now/page/6/#findComment-1766534
Bastet December 2, 2015 Share December 2, 2015 (edited) I thought of another one - the kid, Elias, who accidentally shot a classmate, Carly, on the playground (when he was aiming at the gang member Machete whom he'd previously seen kill someone, believing Machete was now there to kill him). Pretty much everyone was sympathetic in that one -- Elias, his parents, Carly's mom, Alex getting hung out to dry by her boss, the daycare lady doing the best she can but being ill-equipped to look after that many kids (and, although unseen, the parents who can't afford any better daycare), even the kid who killed Elias in retaliation ("you can't kill a sister and just walk"). Edited December 7, 2015 by Bastet 3 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/27259-show-analysis-dr-huang-will-see-you-now/page/6/#findComment-1766826
Princess Sparkle December 2, 2015 Share December 2, 2015 (edited) God, this. That episode was on last night and I forgot how horrible it was for her: parents misgendering her and then kicking her out, the boyfriend's brother attacking her, then her boyfriend committing suicide, her lawyer using her for "the cause", and then that ending...the whole thing was disturbing as hell. Plus the whole SVU squad-save Benson, and even she had her moments-were pretty gross.The difference between her, and how everyone (including the SVU detectives) treated Avery in Transgender Bridge is pretty staggering, and I don't think it's just because one was a perp and the other a victim. The fact that SVU has been on long enough to see actual change in how people are treated is interesting. I always felt bad for the perp who killed a man because his terrible brother got him blackout drunk and tricked him into doing it to prove they were both equally bad people. Edited December 2, 2015 by Princess Sparkle 5 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/27259-show-analysis-dr-huang-will-see-you-now/page/6/#findComment-1767351
Spartan Girl December 2, 2015 Share December 2, 2015 (edited) I thought of another one - the kid, Elias, who accidentally shot a classmate, Carly, on the playground (when he was aiming at the gang member Machete whom he'd previously seen kill someone, believing Machete was now there to kill him). Pretty much everyone was sympathetic in that one -- Elias, his parents, Carly's mom, Alex getting hung out to dry by her boss, the daycare lady doing the best she can but being ill-equipped to look after that many kids (the parents who can't afford any better daycare), even the kid who killed Elias in retaliation ("you can't kill a sister and just walk"). Oh, I didn't feel sorry for the kid that killed poor Elias. The parents of Carly begged the public for no retaliation and still that little punk shot him for revenge. Just a sad pointless cycle of violence. Edited December 2, 2015 by Spartan Girl 1 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/27259-show-analysis-dr-huang-will-see-you-now/page/6/#findComment-1767864
Bastet December 3, 2015 Share December 3, 2015 (edited) Just a sad pointless cycle of violence. That's why I include it in my sympathy roundup, but put him last with the "even" qualifer. How many times in his young life had he already seen black crime victims go without justice? So now here we are in a situation in which it would not have been justice for Elias to be punished (given his age and the circumstances of the shooting), but to him it's just more of the same shit. So now he's snuffed out one young life, and ruined his own. On and on it goes. Edited December 3, 2015 by Bastet 1 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/27259-show-analysis-dr-huang-will-see-you-now/page/6/#findComment-1767882
PrincessEnnui December 4, 2015 Share December 4, 2015 Cheryl Avery. I don't know why exactly, but I've never had much sympathy for her. I think she was justified in defending herself but wrong in killing her attacker. I also hold Stabler and Benson, prolific serial killers TM, responsible for her boyfriend's suicide. Especially, "I am not judging you," Stabler. WTH??? But yes, she should have been sent a women's prison. Prison officials where she was serving should have accommodated her at the very least. Being a criminal shouldn't mean the forfeiture of respect for human life/dignity. Poor girl was literally thrown to the wolves. A perp I felt bad for (from the early seasons) was the twin brother of the guy who targeted rich people. The poor twin was brainwashed into believing his abusive, rapist brother was a real man. Not only that, same manly twin was going to let his brother take the fall for it all. Felt bad for the dad too, because his son beat him and he couldn't stop him from raping his twin. [/need to learn names] Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/27259-show-analysis-dr-huang-will-see-you-now/page/6/#findComment-1772286
Princess Sparkle December 4, 2015 Share December 4, 2015 I don't know why exactly, but I've never had much sympathy for her. I think she was justified in defending herself but wrong in killing her attacker. I also hold Stabler and Benson, prolific serial killers TM, responsible for her boyfriend's suicide. Especially, "I am not judging you," Stabler. WTH??? But yes, she should have been sent a women's prison. Prison officials where she was serving should have accommodated her at the very least. Being a criminal shouldn't mean the forfeiture of respect for human life/dignity. Poor girl was literally thrown to the wolves. A perp I felt bad for (from the early seasons) was the twin brother of the guy who targeted rich people. The poor twin was brainwashed into believing his abusive, rapist brother was a real man. Not only that, same manly twin was going to let his brother take the fall for it all. Felt bad for the dad too, because his son beat him and he couldn't stop him from raping his twin. [/need to learn names] I just watched the episode last night because we were talking about it here, and I completely forgot that Stabler says (and this is a direct quote), "Because of that he-she, two people are dead" and NO ONE calls him on it. At all. The closest is Olivia, who doesn't say anything for quite some time, and even then it's just "Sounds like you have a problem with Cheryl". And considering she called Cheryl a "tranny" earlier in the episode, she's not quite covering herself in any glory. I think the other two perps you're thinking of are Billy (Jason Ritter) and Charlie (Ian Somerhalder) Baker from the episode Dominance. 3 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/27259-show-analysis-dr-huang-will-see-you-now/page/6/#findComment-1774346
PrincessEnnui December 4, 2015 Share December 4, 2015 I just watched the episode last night because we were talking about it here, and I completely forgot that Stabler says (and this is a direct quote), "Because of that he-she, two people are dead" and NO ONE calls him on it. At all. The closest is Olivia, who doesn't say anything for quite some time, and even then it's just "Sounds like you have a problem with Cheryl". And considering she called Cheryl a "tranny" earlier in the episode, she's not quite covering herself in any glory. I think the other two perps you're thinking of are Billy (Jason Ritter) and Charlie (Ian Somerhalder) Baker from the episode Dominance. I forgot Stabler said that too! It was totally Benson and Stabler who failed Eddie (?) by revealing Sheryl's secret, all but condemning his (Eddie's) relationship with her, and letting him go to the bathroom alone when it was clear that Eddie wasn't physically and mentally OK. So many fails in this episode and not all of them by the justice system. Thank you. That poor father and brother in Dominance just seemed so broken. 5 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/27259-show-analysis-dr-huang-will-see-you-now/page/6/#findComment-1774383
Spartan Girl December 5, 2015 Share December 5, 2015 I just watched the episode last night because we were talking about it here, and I completely forgot that Stabler says (and this is a direct quote), "Because of that he-she, two people are dead" and NO ONE calls him on it. At all. The closest is Olivia, who doesn't say anything for quite some time, and even then it's just "Sounds like you have a problem with Cheryl". And considering she called Cheryl a "tranny" earlier in the episode, she's not quite covering herself in any glory? Yeah that part is awful. Even worse was when Eddie grabbed Cheryl and STUCK HIS HAND DOWN HER PANTS to confirm what they told them, and then denounced Cheryl as a disgusting freak. Look, I'm not saying it was right for Cheryl to lie and that it was natural for Eddie to be shocked, but that was just cruel. And I honestly do think Cheryl killed the brother by accident, and considering that she spent her whole life being attacked by everyone, even her own parents, because she was transgender, I couldn't blame her for being frightened of what would happened if the brother had outed her. 5 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/27259-show-analysis-dr-huang-will-see-you-now/page/6/#findComment-1777086
Princess Sparkle December 7, 2015 Share December 7, 2015 Yeah that part is awful. Even worse was when Eddie grabbed Cheryl and STUCK HIS HAND DOWN HER PANTS to confirm what they told them, and then denounced Cheryl as a disgusting freak. Look, I'm not saying it was right for Cheryl to lie and that it was natural for Eddie to be shocked, but that was just cruel. And I honestly do think Cheryl killed the brother by accident, and considering that she spent her whole life being attacked by everyone, even her own parents, because she was transgender, I couldn't blame her for being frightened of what would happened if the brother had outed her. Oh yeah, I never thought Cheryl killed the brother on purpose; it really did seem like an accident. What still isn't clear to me from the episode though was whether the brother tried to sexually assault her or not - at some points, it's portrayed as something she said to cover up that the brother found out she was transgendered, and sometimes, it was portrayed as fact. But even seeing the episode recently, I couldn't figure out what we're supposed to believe; at the trial, her lawyer brings it up, and Cabot doesn't object - if we're supposed to believe that she was being sexually assaulted (and I actually tend to think we are supposed to think that), then why the hell were they charging her, when she was clearly defending herself? 1 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/27259-show-analysis-dr-huang-will-see-you-now/page/6/#findComment-1782833
PrincessEnnui December 8, 2015 Share December 8, 2015 (edited) Oh yeah, I never thought Cheryl killed the brother on purpose; it really did seem like an accident. What still isn't clear to me from the episode though was whether the brother tried to sexually assault her or not - at some points, it's portrayed as something she said to cover up that the brother found out she was transgendered, and sometimes, it was portrayed as fact. But even seeing the episode recently, I couldn't figure out what we're supposed to believe; at the trial, her lawyer brings it up, and Cabot doesn't object - if we're supposed to believe that she was being sexually assaulted (and I actually tend to think we are supposed to think that), then why the hell were they charging her, when she was clearly defending herself? To me, it sounds like sexual assault. She went to the bathroom, Eddie's brother followed or forced his way in, bullied a kiss or something from her, and in the process of molesting her, found out that she was still physically male. I don't think any character in the episode disputed the above. When they heard about Eddie's brother's dying words, "Get Eddie, get Eddie. He did it. He did it," they went from thinking self defense, to manslaughter/murder. Cheryl ended up being held to an entirely different standard because she physically isn't a woman, and I think Benson and Cabot acknowledged that at least twice. Edited December 8, 2015 by PrincessEnnui 1 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/27259-show-analysis-dr-huang-will-see-you-now/page/6/#findComment-1783458
ESS December 14, 2015 Share December 14, 2015 I really felt for Russell Ramsey in season 2's Taken, he kept on saying he didn't do it & yet no one believed him until it was too late & he was killed in prison. I believed him from the start I don't know why I just think it was awful what happened to him. 10 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/27259-show-analysis-dr-huang-will-see-you-now/page/6/#findComment-1801667
DollEyes December 20, 2015 Share December 20, 2015 (edited) From "Patrimonial Burden," the episode from earlier this season about the Bakers, a Duggar-esque family with their own "reality" show & a huge number of kids, two of whom were daughters raped/impregnated by a young, smug pastor who not only tried to frame the oldest son for it because the boy had similar problems, he tried to marry the youngest daughter in order to stop her from testifying against him, the scene when Dets. Benson & Carisi stopped the wedding, exposed the pastor as the real perp & got the youngest daughter to confess was great, but when the girls' mom apologized for her mistakes, put the pastor on blast, promised to testify against him & get the girls to do the same, without caring about the show, the potential scandal or what it might do to the family's image because she & her husband wanted him to pay for his crimes, it was epic. If only the RL "parents" that inspired it had their guts. ETA the only thing about that scene that I disagreed with was Carisi calling the pastor "a piece of crap" because at least crap is useful sometimes; the pastor, otoh, not so much, to put it mildly. Edited December 26, 2015 by DollEyes 7 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/27259-show-analysis-dr-huang-will-see-you-now/page/6/#findComment-1817215
Spartan Girl December 23, 2015 Share December 23, 2015 I felt bad for the teen in "Confession." Yes his sexual urges were disturbing, but he knew it was wrong and really was genuinely trying to get help because he was so afraid of what he might do. And what ends up happening? His stepfather frames him for molesting his stepbrother, his own mother turns on him, and he gets murdered by another pedophile because he supposedly cracked under the pressure and molested another kid. And by "supposedly" I mean that I honestly don't think it really happened because the only evidence that it happened was a post he made on a message board. Seriously?! People make up shit on the internet ALL THE TIME, it's not always true. Personally, I think he just said he molested a kid because everyone already thought he did and it was all too much for him to take. 6 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/27259-show-analysis-dr-huang-will-see-you-now/page/6/#findComment-1823524
Cobalt Stargazer December 26, 2015 Share December 26, 2015 A serious moment from s13, but it's one I really like. Olivia saying she wasn't the one who stabbed Cragen with a pickle. It gets me every time XD. Those mushrooms will get you every time. 1 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/27259-show-analysis-dr-huang-will-see-you-now/page/6/#findComment-1827385
The Mighty Peanut December 27, 2015 Share December 27, 2015 Season 2, Chameleon, when they pursued the death penalty for a prostitute with PTSD who was killing rapists. 1 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/27259-show-analysis-dr-huang-will-see-you-now/page/6/#findComment-1828668
Bastet January 11, 2016 Share January 11, 2016 From Manhunt, the episode with the particularly sadistic serial killer who is apprehended in Canada, but smug as hell because Canada won't extradite unless they waive the death penalty, which isn't going to happen. Now, I am opposed to capital punishment and thus, in theory, am with the Canadian government lawyer who argues against extradition and is thoroughly appalled at Alex's blatant ploy amending the petition so that it lists only the theft, knowing full well as soon as Canada turns him over she's going to add the murder and rape charges. But when the judge uses his own "this court prefers not to speculate on a hypothetical situation that may or may not result from its ruling" words against him to grant the extradition, I grin in spite of myself. I also love the final scene, when Munch goes to tell the surviving victim - who has been essentially housebound in terror ever since she escaped, and keeps her lights on because otherwise she sees his face in the shadows - she can turn her lights out tonight. The killer girls all turning on each other in court in Mean as mentioned above is a favorite of mine, too. (As a side note about that episode, David Thornton's character is probably my favorite of the recurring defense attorneys, and I love the way he says, "My client is off her nut - what's their excuse?" when persuading Casey to let Britney testify against the others.) 7 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/27259-show-analysis-dr-huang-will-see-you-now/page/6/#findComment-1859691
slowpoked January 21, 2016 Share January 21, 2016 Darius in Transgender Bridge. Man, that was just a heartbreaking episode. I know the DA did what he's supposed to do, and the judge rendered her sentence fairly but with compassion. But man, to be tried as adult and be transferred to prison after his juvie period ends, that sucks. It also doesn't help that he seems to be a good kid who just got caught in that one bad situation. Even though he incriminated himself, he drew apology comics to Avery, the most touching one being them holding hands in solidarity with the words "Maybe someday...". I wish Avery had lived instead, then maybe Darius wouldn't have been charged as an adult. 7 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/27259-show-analysis-dr-huang-will-see-you-now/page/6/#findComment-1888637
innocuouspuff January 22, 2016 Share January 22, 2016 Transgender Bridge gave me the same feelings I used to get watching The First 48. So many of those eps have a crime committed not by a career criminal or sociopath, but a teenager who didn't think an action through enough to realise that a death was a possible or likely conclusion. So while the victims are just as dead and the families just as wrecked, it's difficult to feel like justice has been served. And I definitely fall on the side of the fence that I think when teenagers' brains have trouble getting as far as "action x may lead to this person dying", it's unlikely throwing the book at someone else is going to be a useful preventative. That requires even more brain links: "this person may fall, then die, then I may get caught, then I may never see daylight again". Not to mention can their limited life experience even conceptualise those epic jail terms. So yeah, Darius. A waste. :( 3 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/27259-show-analysis-dr-huang-will-see-you-now/page/6/#findComment-1891668
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