General True Crime Shows

[LexieLily]

I just started my series binge-watch of Buried In The Backyard. I'd vaguely heard of Abraham Shakespeare but didn't know many details of the case. I want to say the case was shown on another true-crime show (maybe Deadly Women?) Christmastime Abraham's mother gets a phone call from someone pretending to be Abraham, to continue the ruse that he is alive but wants to be left alone. Detectives subpoenaed Mom's phone records to get the number of the phone that called and the narration said that they were "surprised" that the phone didn't belong to Abraham.

HOW IS THAT SURPRISING? 

[Annber03]

Oh, yeah, that case has been covered on quite a few true crime shows. It wouldn't surprise me if "Deadly Women" did a segment on it, too. 

But LOL, your reaction...indeed, I do like the way some people, be it the narrators or those being interviewed, comment on these cases. Either they're stating the obvious, or they're saying things like what you quoted, and you're just like, "...really?"

[Tdoc72]

On 7/20/2022 at 11:19 AM, LuvMyShows said:

Did anyone watch the last two episodes of ABC's "Who Do You Believe?".  On "Kill Thy Neighbor" I definitely believe that the murdered guy Marc was not the sparkling "family man" that his brother kept trying to paint him as.  The brother did admit something vague about how Marc had made bad choices in the past, but was overcoming that now, or something like that.  But I believe that Marc's cars and junk did sprawl over into the two vacant lots and onto Chaz's property, and that Marc was running a chop shop. (It was confusing cause I couldn't tell what was actual pictures and what was re-creations, except for the video of Marc's dogs at Chaz's back door which was narrated by Chaz). And I think the neighbor woman who weirdly worded about how she hadn't noticed the sprawling junk, was either lying or delusional.  And I think Marc was probably an a**hole who was uncooperative AF about the junk, cars, etc.  But...I don't think he was a bully overall, I'm not sure that Marc is the one who put the dead rat on Chaz's doorstep, and I don't think that Chaz's life was in danger when he shot and killed Marc.  Marc's brother kept saying how two of the shots were into Marc's back, but the shot distribution was never explained by anyone else, and I would have liked to hear about that. I feel bad for Chaz's situation, but I do think he literally got away with murder. 

On "Dad's Deadly Deeds", I think that the dad did commit those murders but I'm not sure there was enough proof to have convicted him.  I don't think that the timing of the murder of the grandmother and friend was co-incidental, and I think that the daughter Jordynn has blinders on about her dad.  She also commented as fact about some household relations things regarding when her mom was still alive and shortly thereafter, that she simply would not have remembered so vividly from age 4; she must be reflecting things that she had heard her dad say.  However....I wanted to slap that detective when he defended the decision to not investigate ANY of the crime solver tips by saying that they are usually unreliable...and I LOVED it when the producer followed up by asking him if those tips had ever been useful to him in the past and he admitted that one of those tips once solved a case.

Anyway, I really hope the show gets picked up for another season.

I just watched the last 3. The Indian flag one—I think the flag belongs to the tribe and not just one family. 
The neighbor one—I remember this from an episode of Fear Thy Neighbor (seas 7, ep 2–it looks like it’s available on demand; maybe that would have more info for you. I can’t remember every detail). I too thought the neighbor lady was lying but not sure why she would. I believe Chaz and probably would’ve found him not guilty b/c he did have police reports of stuff going on. 
The Dad one—I think the girl was trying to find stupid reasons to believe her dad. Who would kill the mom and then have reason to kill the grandma & friend years later? 

[Annber03]

56 minutes ago, Tdoc72 said:

The Dad one—I think the girl was trying to find stupid reasons to believe her dad. Who would kill the mom and then have reason to kill the grandma & friend years later? 

That was my thinking, too. I mean, sure, I suppose it's not completely out of the realm of possibility that a total stranger would kill a guy's wife and then the grandma and the grandma's friend years later....but yeah, I don't think that was the case here at all. Just way too much coincidence. 

[badhaggis]

7 minutes ago, Annber03 said:

That was my thinking, too. I mean, sure, I suppose it's not completely out of the realm of possibility that a total stranger would kill a guy's wife and then the grandma and the grandma's friend years later....but yeah, I don't think that was the case here at all. Just way too much coincidence. 

I live in Tucson and watched this situation carefully. The dad is guilty as sin. It is a terribly sad situation.

[LexieLily]

1 hour ago, Annber03 said:

That was my thinking, too. I mean, sure, I suppose it's not completely out of the realm of possibility that a total stranger would kill a guy's wife and then the grandma and the grandma's friend years later....but yeah, I don't think that was the case here at all. Just way too much coincidence. 

There was an episode of Forensic Files once where a man picked up a hitchhiker, they got in an argument and the dude kicked the hitchhiker out of the car. The hitchhiker was looking for a house to break into and ended up choosing the house of the man's mother and murdering her. When questioned for the murder he said he had no idea of the connection between the lady he murdered and the dude that gave him a ride.

Coincidences like that do happen but I don't blame law enforcement for not buying it. 

[kathyk24]

The ID network is starting new episodes of Reasonable Doubts and American Detective in August, There will also be a new show about true crime in the 90's.

[Annber03]

I also saw that there'll be new episodes of "Disappeared" returning next month. 

[LexieLily]

28 minutes ago, kathyk24 said:

The ID network is starting new episodes of Reasonable Doubts and American Detective in August, There will also be a new show about true crime in the 90's.

American Detective - is that one of the shows with Kenda?

11 minutes ago, Annber03 said:

I also saw that there'll be new episodes of "Disappeared" returning next month. 

Oooh, this is interesting. They haven't made new episodes of that one in years. I liked that show, too. 

[SunnyBeBe]

10 hours ago, Annber03 said:

I also saw that there'll be new episodes of "Disappeared" returning next month. 

Where is this airing?  I like it.  They just need to update their cases. 
 

I about screamed yesterday when watching Living With A Serial Killer. This was a case in England. The woman drove herself to the ER after lover tells her he poisoned her! She gets stomach pumped, leaves and returns to lover to get her things!  She then allows him to drive her home, only to arrive and discover her dogs missing. (He had threatened to kill her dogs.). She’s so distraught that she allows him to move in with her, gets pregnant and lives with his abuse!  Of course, she’s shocked when he’s charged with multiple murders of women.  He calls himself a cannibal!  Lordy…..

[Annber03]

1 hour ago, SunnyBeBe said:

Where is this airing?  I like it.  They just need to update their cases. 

It'll be on Investigation Discovery. No word yet on the specific date when new episodes will air, I just saw the show listed among those having new episodes of their series next month in general. 

I honestly wonder sometimes just how many of their cases ever will get updated. Disappearances are tough to solve, especially disappearances that happened decades ago. They did an episode once on the disappearance of a local newsanchor from my town, and that one happened 27 years ago. A lot of people here wonder if it ever will be solved at all. 

[SunnyBeBe]

I’ve just about caught up on Accused:Guity or Innocent.  It was unfortunate that young man thought it was a good idea to go to a prearranged fight on school property (not even his school) carrying a handgun.  He was 17 or 18 at the time.  Old enough to know things probably aren’t going to end well.   At first he denied he was the shooter.  Later, said he’d been carrying a gun for years.😔

Ref. The tattoo artist Murder.  The case sounds odd, but why does the defendant seem to be lying?  I wish they had talked to the girlfriend who was supposedly the cause of the jealousy.  That defendant seemed like a very unlikely person to be a gun enthusiasts……apparently he was. He did lots of target shooting…with a shotgun!  Very odd.  Not much about that case made sense. 

Edited July 24, 2022 by SunnyBeBe

[auntjess]

If I see "Parabon", I'm in on any show.  Love the genetic detection ones.

[andromeda331]

On 7/23/2022 at 7:52 PM, LexieLily said:

There was an episode of Forensic Files once where a man picked up a hitchhiker, they got in an argument and the dude kicked the hitchhiker out of the car. The hitchhiker was looking for a house to break into and ended up choosing the house of the man's mother and murdering her. When questioned for the murder he said he had no idea of the connection between the lady he murdered and the dude that gave him a ride.

Coincidences like that do happen but I don't blame law enforcement for not buying it. 

That's one of my favorite episodes because of that. It's so that the house the hitchhiker picked was totally random. It's one of the few times I didn't blame the police either for not believing it. It was so unbelievable. I love stories where truth is stranger then fiction. That poor man and his mom.

[Tdoc72]

3 hours ago, auntjess said:

If I see "Parabon", I'm in on any show.  Love the genetic detection ones.

Me too. Mostly because the killer probably thought they got away with the murder after so many years, but then KNOCK KNOCK, who’s there—the police!

[LuvMyShows]

On 7/24/2022 at 2:27 PM, SunnyBeBe said:

I’ve just about caught up on Accused:Guity or Innocent.  It was unfortunate that young man thought it was a good idea to go to a prearranged fight on school property (not even his school) carrying a handgun.  He was 17 or 18 at the time.  Old enough to know things probably aren’t going to end well.   At first he denied he was the shooter.  Later, said he’d been carrying a gun for years.

Just watched it...so he had been lying the whole time?

[LuvMyShows]

On 7/20/2022 at 11:02 AM, LuvMyShows said:

Another Kenda alum sighting!  

And yet another Kenda alum sighting!  This time it was on Oxygen's Mastermind of Murder, "Ultimate Sin" episode, and it was Brian Ritz, the retired Colorado Springs PD lieutenant.  Good for these folks for getting onto other franchises after the Homicide Hunter gravy train ended!

[andromeda331]

2 hours ago, LuvMyShows said:

And yet another Kenda alum sighting!  This time it was on Oxygen's Mastermind of Murder, "Ultimate Sin" episode, and it was Brian Ritz, the retired Colorado Springs PD lieutenant.  Good for these folks for getting onto other franchises after the Homicide Hunter gravy train ended!

I'm glad they found other work too.  

[Vermicious Knid]

New episodes of Forensic Files II begin August 7. According to my DVR.

[andromeda331]

2 hours ago, Vermicious Knid said:

New episodes of Forensic Files II begin August 7. According to my DVR.

Are you sure? I have it starting Sunday at 8pm. 

[Vermicious Knid]

Oh, you're right. I was a week ahead in my scheduled recordings.

[kathyk24]

There's a new true crime show on ABC called The Con. It airs Thursday nights at 10:00 The first episode profiled Lee Price a con artist who tried to fake his death.

[LuvMyShows]

On 7/30/2022 at 10:29 AM, kathyk24 said:

There's a new true crime show on ABC called The Con. It airs Thursday nights at 10:00 The first episode profiled Lee Price a con artist who tried to fake his death.

Oooh, thanks for the heads[up!  I checked out the ABC website and it appears that this is season 2, and fortunately the season 1 shows are there as well.  I just started S1 E1, and I think I've seen this couple on other franchises cause I remember someone saying "We're going to be married by the Pope!"

[LuvMyShows]

Fellow true crime fans, I want to get serious for a minute.  I think we've all been impressed by the ability of DNA to help solve crimes, even decades-old ones.  And I can't help but think about the hundreds (or thousands) of family members, loved ones, and friends whose lives have been so positively impacted by the solving of those crimes.  I hope this isn't violating some Primetimer forum rules that I'm not aware of, but this article (https://www.nytimes.com/2022/03/27/technology/dna-tests-crime-solving.html) explains about the great work that Othram does in running the DNA searches, sometimes paying the cost when the small-town police departments can't afford to. 

But Othram does not have an unlimited well of money, so I thought it would be nice to be able to contribute in some small way.  The website DNASolves.com has all the info about donating your DNA or money.  I only saw the website having an ability to give a recurring donation, but I didn't want to do that, so I wrote them for the address to send a check, and here it is.  You can apply your donation to all cases, or direct it to a specific case(s).

Othram Inc.

2829 Technology Forest Blvd, Suite 200

The Woodlands, TX 77381

I'm undecided about donating my DNA because from looking at the fine print, it appears that once you donate, your contact info can be used for other purposes.  If anyone has any experience with this, I would love to hear it!

As a disclaimer, I have no connection to Othram or DNASolves or any of this stuff.  I'm just someone who gets enjoyment from watching true crime, and figured the least I could do was make a real-world contribution to solving those crimes.  Again, if I have violated some forum rules, I apologize...just trying to do a little good in the world!

[LexieLily]

On 7/24/2022 at 1:15 PM, Annber03 said:

It'll be on Investigation Discovery. No word yet on the specific date when new episodes will air, I just saw the show listed among those having new episodes of their series next month in general. 

I dunno if these were in your commercial but in doing my weekly look-through for episodes to record I see two new series premiering soon.

Dead Days of Summer - Thursdays at 8:00, starting 8/4.

Devil in Suburbia - Tuesdays at 8:00, starting 8/9.

[LuvMyShows]

On 7/31/2022 at 8:56 PM, LuvMyShows said:

Oooh, thanks for the heads[up!  I checked out the ABC website and it appears that this is season 2, and fortunately the season 1 shows are there as well.  I just started S1 E1, and I think I've seen this couple on other franchises cause I remember someone saying "We're going to be married by the Pope!"

Quoting myself because "The Con" is really good; I am so surprised that I had not heard anything about it from anywhere else.  Whoopie Goldberg is the narrator, and there's a bit of tongue-in-cheek to it.  The stories are fascinating, and some are things you've heard of before but this gives some behind-the-scenes, like for the Fyre Festival and the college admissions scandal.

[LexieLily]

Buried In The Backyard plays fast and loose with the 'backyard' aspect, don't they? So far this season I've seen multiple people buried in the sand on the beach, and one was buried in the desert. One was thrown into a canal. 

My favorite of the cases this season so far is the twentysomething skater dude that murdered the man he was stealing money from. He thought far enough ahead to buy a deep freezer to put the body in but he didn't turn the freezer on before leaving the house. He came back later and was SHOCKED that the body had decomposed and it smelled.

[Annber03]

1 minute ago, LexieLily said:

My favorite of the cases this season so far is the twentysomething skater dude that murdered the man he was stealing money from. He thought far enough ahead to buy a deep freezer to put the body in but he didn't turn the freezer on before leaving the house. He came back later and was SHOCKED that the body had decomposed and it smelled.

Okay, on the one hand, that's hilarious in its sheer stupidity, but on the other hand, eeeeeeeeeeeeeewwwwwww :/. 

[LexieLily]

Buried In The Backyard, 4.6 = A Cowboy's Last Ride.

Debbie Harris set up Rick's murder and actively participated in it, and that was enraging and horrible. But what upset me more than the human murder was how she drove his beloved dog out to the middle of the desert and abandoned him there.

[kathyk24]

The Con was so good last night. I was surprised Zach received such a long sentence. He was very handsome I think he would have had a nice career as a model if he wanted.

[Spartan Girl]

I’m watching a special on ID about the TikTokkers that are defending the Menendez brothers, i.e. teen girls who “did their own research” and “are old enough to form their own opinions.” Whether or not you believe their molestation claims, the excuses these girls make for them are just mind-boggling. Like that the prosecution was out to get them because they were rich entitled boys, that their post-murder partying shouldn’t have been such a big deal because it wasn’t that much different from how they behaved before, and that their shrink was the asshole for breaking confidentiality and going to the cops—never mind that he was legitimately afraid that he was going to be their next victim because he knew the truth…

JFC.

[LuvMyShows]

Watched the Accused: Guilty or Innocent episode called "Killed My Wife or Staircase Fall" and that is the first time where I thought the guy did it. I think he killed his wife by strangling her and pushing her down the stairs, so that he could be with his girlfriend.  And then when both he and his father were called to come to the police station, I think he either killed his father or encouraged his father to kill himself, because the father knew what the son did and would not be able to keep his mouth shut. Odd that we heard nothing about an investigation into the father's death, but the cop camera video did show that the father was clearly really unstable.

For the Accused: Guilty or Innocent episode called "Murdered My Tenant or Self-Defense", that became the second time I thought the guy did it.  His story just kept changing sooo much, and the defense lawyer should be charged with legal malpractice for ever possibly thinking that there is any way on earth that the guy should be put on the witness stand to testify on his own behalf.  We only saw part of his testimony, and I'm sure watching his whole testimony was like watching the case crumble before your eyes.

[LuvMyShows]

On 7/30/2022 at 10:29 AM, kathyk24 said:

There's a new true crime show on ABC called The Con. It airs Thursday nights at 10:00 The first episode profiled Lee Price a con artist who tried to fake his death.

Interesting article on him at https://www.atlantamagazine.com/great-reads/the-many-lives-of-aubrey-lee-price/.  

On 8/5/2022 at 11:05 PM, kathyk24 said:

The Con was so good last night. I was surprised Zach received such a long sentence. He was very handsome I think he would have had a nice career as a model if he wanted.

The amount of money that he swindled and burned through was astounding.  Very glad that he got such a long sentence.

[Kel Varnsen]

I watched the 4 part DB Cooper Where Are you on Netflix last week, and after watching it, it just felt kind of dumb. I liked the first episode which went over what happened and the actual investigation, and the final episode went deep into some conspiracy theories and a lot of Cooper fandom.

But most of the second episode and some of the third are spent with this investigative journalist guy who compiles some of circumstantial evidence and then claims he has proof that this one guy who was a conman in the 70's must be DB Cooper. Even though all his evidence as far as I could tell was that the guy was a conman, who had parachute training and lived in the western US. And then they even spent time annoying the guy who they thought was the suspect with the journalist guy offering him 20 grand to tell his story on camera. He even sued the FBI to make them release all their case files and when they did he said that he would use them to focus on proving that his suspect did it. It was so damn annoy and seemed like such a waste of time without any actual evidence (like the money).

[LuvMyShows]

On 8/2/2022 at 6:18 PM, LexieLily said:

I dunno if these were in your commercial but in doing my weekly look-through for episodes to record I see two new series premiering soon.

Dead Days of Summer - Thursdays at 8:00, starting 8/4.

Devil in Suburbia - Tuesdays at 8:00, starting 8/9.

Did anyone watch the Devil in Suburbia premier?  Truly terrible what that father did, and more distressing that he's never been caught, although I tend to think that he's dead.  Not so much that he committed suicide, but that something happened...he was attacked by an animal in the woods, he fell, killed by someone he encountered.  But I don't think he had an accomplice that helped him escape.  However, I do wonder why they never checked the neighboring Indian reservation; they seemed to rule it out because it is a sovereign nation, but not sure why that means he couldn't have gone there and found favor with someone influential who let him stay.

[LuvMyShows]

On 7/24/2022 at 2:01 AM, kathyk24 said:

The ID network is starting new episodes of Reasonable Doubts and American Detective in August, There will also be a new show about true crime in the 90's.

The new Reasonable Doubt episode wasn't all that interesting, until the very end.  The convict Patrick's daughter seemed genuinely shocked to find out all the negative opinions other people had about her father; I couldn't tell if his sister was as shocked.  But the stunning part to me, was the unbelievable self-centeredness of Patrick's daughter, when she said that she didn't know if it was worse for the victim's daughters to have lost their mother the way they did, or for her having a father who's being "tortured" (I guess by his supposedly false conviction, or whatever is happening to him in jail).  Then Fatima flat out said, it's worse for the daughters.  She wasn't convinced, so Chris asked her, how may times have you talked to your father over the past few years?  Then he asked the question anyone could have seen coming from a mile away, but she didn't...he asked her how many times the victim's daughters have talked to their mother.  She was silenced for a moment and looked a little flustered, but then said, "Well, I don't know..."

And then perhaps the most interesting part is what happened at the very end.  Chris offered the victim's daughter and sister a choice.  They could leave everything alone and the convict would probably be out on parole soon.  Or the show could hire a detective to pursue the one clue that held some promise, but in checking it out, if it turned out that a murder for hire was involved, then the convict's parole would be in jeopardy.  Both the daughter and sister decided it was worth it to go for the detective.  But the screen showed afterward that the convict did not want to pursue that.  Makes you wonder why.  Clearly there was risk already by having the show involved at all, that if there was something the convict had wanted to hide, it could be uncovered.  So you'd think that meant that there wasn't anything to hide...so why not go for the more in-depth digging?

I was glad in the final recap, that they explained about the blood from the stabbing, because I had wondered why there wasn't more blood generated, but they said the victim was dead already, so that means blood wouldn't gush out, but it would just drain out.

[Annber03]

8 hours ago, LuvMyShows said:

But the stunning part to me, was the unbelievable self-centeredness of Patrick's daughter, when she said that she didn't know if it was worse for the victim's daughters to have lost their mother the way they did, or for her having a father who's being "tortured" (I guess by his supposedly false conviction, or whatever is happening to him in jail).  Then Fatima flat out said, it's worse for the daughters.  She wasn't convinced, so Chris asked her, how may times have you talked to your father over the past few years?  Then he asked the question anyone could have seen coming from a mile away, but she didn't...he asked her how many times the victim's daughters have talked to their mother.  She was silenced for a moment and looked a little flustered, but then said, "Well, I don't know..."

Yeeeeeeeeeah, that was quite a moment. I mean, I get how it'd be hard for her to come to terms with the idea that her father could've done something this horrible. Especially given how young she was when he was arrested. She was clearly shielded from some of the darker aspects and stories about her dad over the years, so to get all this information at once like this would be a lot to deal with, for sure. 

But to put it in those terms, to diminish the pain that the woman's daughters are feeling... I like that Chris point blank asked her that question. Like you said, that finally seemed to throw her, if only for a moment. So I hope she continues to keep that in mind as she processes all of this. 

I was surprised by the explanation for the lack of blood, too. It was interesting to see how they explained the plausibility of that. Basically, the only thing really tripping up the investigation is that issue with the phone call and the time it was made. I liked Chris floating the theory that there could've been a third person involved. I wonder how deeply the original investigators looked at that theory. 

9 hours ago, LuvMyShows said:

Did anyone watch the Devil in Suburbia premier?  Truly terrible what that father did, and more distressing that he's never been caught, although I tend to think that he's dead.  Not so much that he committed suicide, but that something happened...he was attacked by an animal in the woods, he fell, killed by someone he encountered.  But I don't think he had an accomplice that helped him escape.  However, I do wonder why they never checked the neighboring Indian reservation; they seemed to rule it out because it is a sovereign nation, but not sure why that means he couldn't have gone there and found favor with someone influential who let him stay.

I watched it, too. Such a freaky, horrible story. Reminds me of a couple other stories I've heard about fathers killing their entire families and then disappearing. 

I can totally buy the suicide theory, though I would think that his body would've been found by now if that were the case. My mom mainly wondered why he would've brought the dog with him only to leave him there if he was planning to flee. 

[nokat]

On 8/3/2022 at 8:53 AM, LuvMyShows said:

Quoting myself because "The Con" is really good;

Thank you for bringing my attention to it. It is really good, and I just watched the latest episode. I'm happy that woman is doing time, because she bled her victims dry.  I wish older people would realize sooner that a thirty something is not in love with them other than for their money. 

[satrunrose]

On 8/8/2022 at 3:48 PM, LuvMyShows said:

Watched the Accused: Guilty or Innocent episode called "Killed My Wife or Staircase Fall" and that is the first time where I thought the guy did it. I think he killed his wife by strangling her and pushing her down the stairs, so that he could be with his girlfriend.  And then when both he and his father were called to come to the police station, I think he either killed his father or encouraged his father to kill himself, because the father knew what the son did and would not be able to keep his mouth shut. Odd that we heard nothing about an investigation into the father's death, but the cop camera video did show that the father was clearly really unstable.

Agreed! I'm about 90% convinced that the guy was guilty as sin (with 10% the granddad did it). Either way, that wasn't an accident. The father was clearly unstable, but the only other evidence was him being really awkward around the paramedics. Honestly, I have first aid training too and I would have been hovering and really caught between "How can I help?" and "These are the pros, don't get in the way". Now, the husband's screaming hissy fit about the police accusing him on the same video on the other hand...

I think a lot of his interviews didn't help his case either. Everything was about him and his life, nothing at all about his dead wife. And his comment on "No one kills their wife because of an affair." Have you ever watched a true crime, mystery or police procedural, my dude?

Congrats on the show for being well-structured though. There were a few good "Wait..." surprises like what happened to the father, the fact that the mistress moved in not 9 days later and the restraining order. At first, I thought it might have been a some people grieve oddly situation, but with the gradual reveal of damning information, the jury was right on the money. Those poor kids.

[auntjess]

I just got an email that one of my favorite shows, ATL Homicide, is coming back for a new season.
I love Quinn and Vinny, and recommend this show highly.
https://premieredate.news/tv-series/5052-atl-homicide.html

[nokat]

Is anyone watching Phrogging? This show and Fear Thy Neighbor give me anxiety. The last episode of Phrogging had two guys cooking meth in a crawl space. 

[auntjess]

24 minutes ago, nokat said:

Is anyone watching Phrogging? This show and Fear Thy Neighbor give me anxiety. The last episode of Phrogging had two guys cooking meth in a crawl space. 

I haven't noticed Phrogging.  Is it on ID or Oxygen?

[nokat]

1 minute ago, auntjess said:

I haven't noticed Phrogging.  Is it on ID or Oxygen?

It's on Lifetime.

[Schnickelfritz]

5 hours ago, nokat said:

Is anyone watching Phrogging? This show and Fear Thy Neighbor give me anxiety. The last episode of Phrogging had two guys cooking meth in a crawl space. 

That show had me jumping at random noises in the middle of the night. Scary stuff!

[nokat]

1 hour ago, Schnickelfritz said:

That show had me jumping at random noises in the middle of the night. Scary stuff!

People would be nonchalant about food missing, doors unlocked, etc. The one guy though who saw a guy looking back at him through a hole. Shivers.

I did like the policeman saying I'm not crawling in there again. Poor guy probably had nightmares,

[auntjess]

I looked up Phrogging, and it's not for me.  

[nokat]

The latest Phrogging episode, the first couple were so sweet. The Phrogger was an ass and did so much damage.

7 hours ago, auntjess said:

I looked up Phrogging, and it's not for me.  

It's not for everyone. It increases my paranoia.

[LuvMyShows]

If you don't mind watching shows that are older, there is a free show on Amazon Prime called "Skeleton Stories" (one season only).  It features the work of forensic anthropologists in solving crimes.  These are the folks who specifically study the bones, and it is fascinating how much they can tell from looking at bones.  Definitely something where you can learn a little while watching.  For example, I learned that the hyoid bone (which we all know as a possible clue in hanging/strangulation) doesn't fuse until about at least age 30, so that it would not be able to be used as a clue in someone younger than that.

[LexieLily]

Buried In The Backyard - Gruesome Golf Course (4.13).

The victim's son was found guilty of and convicted for abuse of a corpse; he sawed the body into multiple portions and threw them into suitcases into dumpsters. Only the torso was found. But he was found not guilty of the murder.

...how does that juxtaposition work?

[andromeda331]

On 8/16/2022 at 12:35 AM, nokat said:

The latest Phrogging episode, the first couple were so sweet. The Phrogger was an ass and did so much damage.

It's not for everyone. It increases my paranoia.

That's exactly why I'm won't watch it. I'm paranoia enough without that show helping.