General True Crime Shows

[Mrs. Hanson]

2 hours ago, Schnickelfritz said:

Don't know if it is the show you are thinking of, but Where Murder Lies (Season 1, Episode2) "No Hiding the Truth" is about the right people. Ken Bluew and Jenny Webb. Pretty sure I saw the story on another show but can't find it right now.

Yes!!!  THANK YOU!

2 hours ago, Annber03 said:

Isn't that the same case where Tex also claimed that he didn't know his gun was there, or something like that, even though it was sitting in his lap at the time? I remember finding that really weird, too - I would think you'd know whether or not you had a gun in your lap, they're not exactly lightweight items. 

My hubby, who legit could be a firearms expert, said at the very least he shoukd have been found guilty of reckless homicide.   You just do not go around with a loaded weapon at anytime let alone at night in a moving car!!!

[auntjess]

I watched Crime Scene Confidential, on ID, and I didn't learn anything new, except that the person charged denied it, and I agree that the interviewer used on her seems shady.
I expected new facts to emerge, but this was a nothing show, in my opinion.
(S1 E4 · Speaking for Stacie
Apr 5, 2022
CSI Alina Burroughs revisits the bludgeoning death of Stacie Pannell; Alina takes a fresh look at an investigation and discovers there may be even more to this story than meets the eye.)

[Vermicious Knid]

I tried to watch Crime Scene Confidential and turned it off after 5 minutes.

[LuvMyShows]

23 hours ago, Annber03 said:

Isn't that the same case where Tex also claimed that he didn't know his gun was there, or something like that, even though it was sitting in his lap at the time? I remember finding that really weird, too - I would think you'd know whether or not you had a gun in your lap, they're not exactly lightweight items. 

20 hours ago, Mrs. Hanson said:

My hubby, who legit could be a firearms expert, said at the very least he shoukd have been found guilty of reckless homicide.   You just do not go around with a loaded weapon at anytime let alone at night in a moving car!!!

So the situation was that Tex had been asleep in the back of the car as the friend was driving them all home from a restaurant.  Tex woke up and saw they were driving through a part of town that he thought was sketchy, so he asked for his gun (maybe it was in the glove box, for safe-keeping?).  Then, according to Tex, he went back to sleep and got jerked awake when they went over a bump and the gun went off and shot his wife in the back, through the passenger seat.  

Edited April 7, 2022 by LuvMyShows

[Mrs. Hanson]

4 hours ago, LuvMyShows said:

So the situation was that Tex had been asleep in the back of the car as the friend was driving them all home from a restaurant.  Tex woke up and saw they were driving through a part of town that he thought was sketchy, so he asked for his gun (maybe it was in the glove box, for safe-keeping?).  Then, according to Tex, he went back to sleep and got jerked awake when they went over a bump and the gun went off and shot his wife in the back, through the passenger seat.  

It has been a long time since I have seen that episode, but wasn't there just all kinds of things wrong with this story?  And their friends turned on him?  And there was a godson who was lavished upon?  Is this correct?

Edited April 7, 2022 by Mrs. Hanson

[Vermicious Knid]

Well this is just tailor-made for Dateline. Or has it already been an episode? Romance novelist who wrote "How to Murder Your Husband" on trial for murdering husband.

[SunnyBeBe]

This story has been covered by multiple sources.  Good news I guess.  Lori Vallow competent to stand trial for murder of her children.  
 

https://people.com/crime/lori-vallow-is-mentally-fit-to-stand-trial-for-allegedly-killing-her-2-children-judge-says/

 

 

Edited April 12, 2022 by SunnyBeBe

[GeorgiaRai]

On 4/7/2022 at 4:27 PM, Mrs. Hanson said:

It has been a long time since I have seen that episode, but wasn't there just all kinds of things wrong with this story?  And their friends turned on him?  And there was a godson who was lavished upon?  Is this correct?

Correct!   The driver said they didn't hit any bump that would've startled him.  After the shot, he told the driver to go slow, and directed her to a hospital that was farther away. The video footage of their arrival at the ER is so creepy - he gets out of the car, calmly directs the driver (unneccesarily) where to pull up, opens the car door - no visible panic or hurry.  In the ER, he asked the driver to lie for him.  At trial, it ws shown that the trajectory of the bullet didn't fit his story that the gun was laying in his lap as he dozed.  This is one case where I think the jury got it absolutely right.

[Mrs. Hanson]

5 hours ago, GeorgiaRai said:

Correct!   The driver said they didn't hit any bump that would've startled him.  After the shot, he told the driver to go slow, and directed her to a hospital that was farther away. The video footage of their arrival at the ER is so creepy - he gets out of the car, calmly directs the driver (unneccesarily) where to pull up, opens the car door - no visible panic or hurry.  In the ER, he asked the driver to lie for him.  At trial, it ws shown that the trajectory of the bullet didn't fit his story that the gun was laying in his lap as he dozed.  This is one case where I think the jury got it absolutely right.

And there was some gathering or something and there were zero pictures of him.  He was like I have been iced out.  Dude you killed your wife!  For money!

[SunnyBeBe]

You might want to check out a series called Final Moments on Oxygen.  I’m watching an episode about a man who goes missing in NYC.  
 

https://www.oxygen.com/final-moments/crime-news/mikhail-chernyaev-stabbed-strangled-charles-butler-in-nyc

 

[KittyMom4]

On 4/15/2022 at 9:41 PM, SunnyBeBe said:

You might want to check out a series called Final Moments on Oxygen.  I’m watching an episode about a man who goes missing in NYC.  
 

https://www.oxygen.com/final-moments/crime-news/mikhail-chernyaev-stabbed-strangled-charles-butler-in-nyc

 

I watched that, it was really sad. 

[geekgirl921]

I don't know why the Evil Lives Here: Shadows of Death hit me so hard. I know ultimately, all of these crimes are pointless but this one just seemed so stupid and pointless. How this man thought that killing her would make everything go away is just beyond me. The fact that he was engaged to Molly was not in any way a secret; how he thought that the cops wouldn't appear on his doorstep is baffling!!

[LuvMyShows]

On 4/15/2022 at 9:41 PM, SunnyBeBe said:

You might want to check out a series called Final Moments on Oxygen.  I’m watching an episode about a man who goes missing in NYC.  

Also, I hadn't realized it, but there are new episodes of An Unexpected Killer and Buried in the Backyard on Oxygen.

[SunnyBeBe]

There’s also that defense where the killer, who attempts to cover up theft, says they were planning to kill themselves, but they suddenly kill another.  🙄

https://abcnews.go.com/US/husband-describes-moments-best-friend-allegedly-stabbed-wife/story?id=29549729

 

[Annber03]

1 hour ago, geekgirl921 said:

I don't know why the Evil Lives Here: Shadows of Death hit me so hard. I know ultimately, all of these crimes are pointless but this one just seemed so stupid and pointless. How this man thought that killing her would make everything go away is just beyond me. The fact that he was engaged to Molly was not in any way a secret; how he thought that the cops wouldn't appear on his doorstep is baffling!!

This story was covered on a "20/20" episode a couple months ago and it's an even weirder case than this episode made it sound. There was talk of the guy having three wives prior to Melanie, and some of the people who worked at various wedding-related venues who were helping with the wedding were interviewed, and they talked about how odd some of the interactions were, and Molly was getting this card from her fiance about how this was the happiest he'd ever been and how she was the love of his life shortly before her death, and all this other sort of stuff. I think it's online to watch, if you want to check it out - it's called "I Now Pronounce You Dead".

I can't imagine what it must've been like for poor Melanie - an officer comes to her door to tell her that a woman has been murdered and her husband is the main suspect and he's been seeing this woman for seven years and nearly married her and he told Molly that his wife was dead. That's a hell of a lot of information to get all at once at any time of day, but to get it when you've just been awakened in the middle of the night? Hoo boy. Don't need coffee after that, that's for sure. 

[One Tough Cookie]

Pam Hupp anyone-episodes?

[SunnyBeBe]

I watched some of it.  I had difficulty getting into it.  I became more intrigued towards the end.  There’s a thread about it somewhere around here.  

[Mrs. Hanson]

On 4/18/2022 at 7:21 PM, SunnyBeBe said:

I watched some of it.  I had difficulty getting into it.  I became more intrigued towards the end.  There’s a thread about it somewhere around here.  

What episode are you discussing?

[SunnyBeBe]

3 hours ago, Mrs. Hanson said:

What episode are you discussing?

The first one.  Then I think second or third….I thought I’d like the way Pam was portrayed, but it annoyed me.  I picked back up when she was impersonating Dateline producer.  I then got into it.  

[SoMuchTV]

On 4/18/2022 at 8:21 PM, SunnyBeBe said:

I watched some of it.  I had difficulty getting into it.  I became more intrigued towards the end.  There’s a thread about it somewhere around here.  

You're talking about the miniseries with Renée Zellweger, right?  Is there a thread here?  I haven't been able to find one.  I'm not invested enough to start one myself, but I'd be interested in reading the comments.

 

Whoops, never mind, I found it:

https://forums.primetimer.com/forum/4824-the-thing-about-pam/

Odd, I searched for the exact title, in quotes, and it told me there were no results that matched.

Edited April 20, 2022 by SoMuchTV

[SunnyBeBe]

7 minutes ago, SoMuchTV said:

You're talking about the miniseries with Renée Zellweger, right?  Is there a thread here?  I haven't been able to find one.  I'm not invested enough to start one myself, but I'd be interested in reading the comments.

 

Whoops, never mind, I found it:

https://forums.primetimer.com/forum/4824-the-thing-about-pam/

Odd, I searched for the exact title, in quotes, and it told me there were no results that matched.

The search feature on this site is bizarre.  I find the best method is to leave the site and do a Google search with the search terms and name of site.  I plan to get over to the thread after I watch more episodes.  

[SoMuchTV]

2 minutes ago, SunnyBeBe said:

The search feature on this site is bizarre.  I find the best method is to leave the site and do a Google search with the search terms and name of site.  I plan to get over to the thread after I watch more episodes.  

Agreed, it either gives you way too much or nothing at all.  And a lot of the time if I try to refine the search, it tells me I have to wait xx seconds before I can search again.  I put in a bug report and they said that might be addressed in the next release.

Anyway, I found the show thread by searching for "Pam Hupp" (in quotes) - it was the first hit for that.

[Vermicious Knid]

Would this be a true crime comedy show?  ‘So Dumb It’s Criminal Hosted by Snoop Dogg’ on Peacock, Where The Rapper And His Guests Riff On Bad Behavior Video Clips.

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The hook for Peacock’s So Dumb It’s Criminal Hosted by Snoop Dogg is simple: get Snoop, a man who has made a mint off his persona of being a jester that’s generally understood to be crime-adjacent, to host a clip show featuring crimes of the hard fail, chemically imbalanced, or comically absurd variety, and let him riff alongside guests from the comedy and entertainment worlds like Loni Love, Ron Funches, Jay Pharoah, and Moshe Kasher.

 

[SunnyBeBe]

I saw that 48 Hours is supposed to feature someone dubbed The Dexter Killer tomorrow night. 

[SunnyBeBe]

There’s a new true crime series coming to ABC called Who Do You Believe.  I’ll check it out.  

[andromeda331]

One thing I don't understand is on so many of the crime shows the detectives have a suspect but he or she won't give their DNA why don't they follow the person for a couple days and get it when they discard something? It's happened in other cases and they can find out right away whether or not if theirs a match. But so many don't. Then years later when they finally get the DNA it's a match. I've lost count how many times that's happened. 

[nokat]

I just watched "Evil Lives Here: Shadows of Death." It enrages me, a man rapes and murders a twelve year old girl. The father at the funeral parlor had to hear "don't judge her face, we had to reconstruct her." What kind of evil monster could do that to a child? Life in prison seems too kind.

[Annber03]

Didn't her dad even say that the funeral director was crying when he was talking to him and his wife about picking out a casket? Certainly wouldn't blame them if they did - for all the professionalism funeral directors and other similar employees present as they're helping the families prepare for these funerals, you know there's got to be times when they struggle to keep their own emotions in check, too. 

That episode was absolutely gutwrenching. Her poor mom, blaming herself as she did, and her dad struggling as he did for so long afterward... Such a tragic story. 

I just can't believe that creep committed his crime while his children were in the house. They were literally right upstairs, he even told the investigators about how he had to go make sure dinner was ready for them. I just....HOW? 

And he still comes up for parole every couple years. As if this poor family hasn't suffered enough already. 

Edited April 25, 2022 by Annber03

[nokat]

2 hours ago, Annber03 said:

the funeral director was crying when he was talking to him and his wife about picking out a casket?

Yes, he had to point out the small child-sized caskets.  It was a gut wrenching episode indeed.

[Vermicious Knid]

Peacock is premiering "Preaching Evil: A Wife on the Run with Warren Jeffs." today. I'm sure you all remember when Warren Jeffs was convicted for 'marrying' and raping 12 year old girls in his polygamous cult. Some of the wives and kids successfully got out.
 

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Jeffson, his mother, Vicki Thompson, and his sister Sarah are among the former cult members who participated in the show.

"It'll be explaining Warren Jeffs' role in establishing the compound in Texas, literally raising us up excluded from the outside world, and making that cult into what became: the FLDS," Jeffson said...

"There was no music, no internet, no TV, no movies, nothing of that nature," Jeffson said. "He just created an environment where we only were exposed to things that he wanted us to be exposed to." Jeffson added, "He had control over the way that we saw the outside world in every aspect."

By keeping family and followers in the dark, the church remained intact even after Jeffs was arrested in 2006.

It also helped keep them blind to rampant pedophilia masquerading as marriage.

 

 

[nokat]

I'm watching "The Cleveland Kidnappings." A horrible topic but I really like Bill Safos.

[SunnyBeBe]

This is a new Hulu series based on the true life murder of a mother and her 15 month old  child in the 1980s in Utah.  I have seen a couple of things covering this incident before, but this one is very detailed and covers a lot of background.  I’m on episode 3 and it’s pretty good, imo.  
 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Under_the_Banner_of_Heaven_(TV_series)

Edited April 30, 2022 by SunnyBeBe

[kathyk24]

I just finished watching The Perfect World Muders on Oxygen. The Perfect World is an on-line role playing game. One of the players murders his family and his online friends try to stop him and notify the police. This was an actual case in Canada. The special is available on Peacock.

[nokat]

I'm really liking Cold Justice on Oxygen. I also love the shows that highlight the new tools detectives have. Cameras and phones pinging off towers.

There is also a record of your texts. Thanks for the dummies who make it easy.

Edited May 1, 2022 by nokat

[nokat]

Perfect World: A deadly Game. Adrian is creepy. It's such fun to troll people. You and people like you make parts of the internet a horrible place. I hate every time they show his smirking face.

[nokat]

I've seen a lot of evil people on ID shows and currently (Perfect World: A deadly Game) and Menhaz is evil. That online presence, he was an asshole, a troll, on Mutli player games and then is like wah, my mom and dad were mean. No, you just were a horrible person.

Edited May 1, 2022 by nokat

[LuvMyShows]

I've got a question about Oxygen's Killer Relationships.  I pretty much only watch shows where we don't know who did it and try to solve it along with the detectives.  So I don't watch Killer Couples, Nightmare Next Door, etc that are just enactments of how it unfolds when we already know what the end result will be.  All I can tell from the Killer Relationships episode descriptions is that it will about relationships where something goes wrong, but what I don't know is whether once someone dies, will it be clear already who killed them?  Hope someone who watches can let me know!

[Annber03]

For the most part, yeah, you do know who was the killer early on. The show basically just examines where and how and why the relationship went wrong. There's not really much in the way of reenactments, though, that I can recall - just interviews with people who knew them. 

I personally don't mind shows like that - I'm fine with knowing the who ahead of time, 'cause the how and why  aspects of the cases tend to be more interesting to me much of the time. But yeah, if you like to try and solve the case as it goes along, this may not be a show for you, no, 'cause there's really not much mystery there on the whodunit side :p. 

[kathyk24]

On 5/1/2022 at 1:14 AM, nokat said:

I'm really liking Cold Justice on Oxygen. I also love the shows that highlight the new tools detectives have. Cameras and phones pinging off towers.

There is also a record of your texts. Thanks for the dummies who make it easy.

New episodes of Cold Justice start on Saturday.

[SunnyBeBe]

11 hours ago, kathyk24 said:

New episodes of Cold Justice start on Saturday.

Thanks for the heads up.  I’ll look forward to that.  
 

This story is going to make for a lot of media coverage soon. I predict a series ahead and I think Renee Zellweger would be perfect to play the corrections officer.  She played in recent series The Thing  About Pam as Pam Hupp. What I can’t figure out is how the FBI and US Marshals can’t find a 6’9 man with a short blonde woman on the run.
 

https://abc11.com/escaped-inmate-and-guard-alabama-prison-escape-casey-white/11814059/

[Vermicious Knid]

Actual new episodes, or 'new' episodes that have extra pop-up info?

Buried in the Backyard (Woods, Sand, etc) and New York Homicide are both over :(.

My first thought when they first disappeared was did he manage to overpower her, or is she on the run with him? You may or may not have also seen the report that the dropping water level of Lake Mead has uncovered a barrel with human remains that probably date from the 80s, and authorities expect to find more.

[MissAlmond]

8 hours ago, Vermicious Knid said:

My first thought when they first disappeared was did he manage to overpower her, or is she on the run with him?

I knew she was on the run with him. Thanks True Crime books/TV shows! 

Waiting for the ID Channel episode because you know it's coming. 😄

[Vermicious Knid]

Heh, it's clear now she broke him out. Video was released of them ditching the patrol car and jumping into a different vehicle together.
 

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New videos released Tuesday show Vicky escorting a shackled Casey White into the back of her patrol car on Friday morning after telling colleagues she was taking him to the courthouse for a mental health evaluation before going to the doctor because she felt unwell. Casey White was supposed to be supervised by two deputies but Vicky told her subordinate that other officers had left for court, and she was the only one left with a firearm, Singleton said.

The pair then drove to a shopping center about 10 minutes away, ditched the patrol car, and jumped into a copper-colored 2007 Ford Edge SUV. A tipster provided information about the SUV but, according to Singleton, the information was prematurely released by the U.S. Marshals before investigators could try to track it down so the couple have possibly ditched that car by now, too.

 

She had filed for retirement and sold her house just before this. Girl had PLANS.

German prosecutors say they have new evidence in the Madeleine McCann case, subject of many true crime shows, and are sure they have her killer. And why does Portugal have a statute of limitations on murder at all?

[LuvMyShows]

On 4/23/2022 at 8:48 AM, SunnyBeBe said:

There’s a new true crime series coming to ABC called Who Do You Believe.  I’ll check it out.  

Did anybody else watch the first episode with Charity and Mark?  I liked it, but good lord, that woman was sketchy AF!  As soon as we learned that she admitted that she lied about not divesting of her house -- a deception that isn't just one time since she continued to own it, therefore the lie continued -- I knew which person I was going to believe.

She said that she had been losing weight rapidly and some other symptoms, so she went to the hospital, and was told she had succinylcholine poisoning (sux for short), which Mark had access to at his job. Well, the show could find no evidence of her receiving that diagnosis, plus if it had been sux poisoning, the police would have investigated; also, her symptoms didn't match sux poisoning, and I don't think that's one of those poisonings that can be slow and ongoing.  She even said that he killed his ex-wife the same way, after they had already been divorced, and again the show found no proof.

Mark found out Charity was a convicted felon for check fraud.  She said that when she was 17, she had let a friend's kids play with her checkbook (sure Jan, kids love to play with checkbooks), but the friend took some of those checks, and then wrote bad checks, but Charity was convicted.  I guess handwriting analysis and store video don't exist where she grew up.

But my favorite was Mark finding out that she was still married to not one, but two other men, and the only thing she could say was that when she married Mark, the county records office didn't uncover that fact.  Uh, OK, but that's irrelevant once it was discovered! 

And I don't know who was telling the truth about the breast reduction/augmentation, but she damn sure had augmentation as the final result -- her boobs were right up to her throat when she was sitting on that couch!  

[Vermicious Knid]

Well, holy crap. Not was I was expecting to hear; Prosecutor reveals what they think happened to Madeleine McCann.
 

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Wolters believes that Brückner was commissioned to kidnap McCann for a pedophile sex ring that then killed her—likely because of the media attention to her case, which would have made it impossible to sell her on or use her in illegal under-age pornography...

German police investigating Brückner found a cache of little girl swimsuits and volumes of kiddie porn in the camper van he was living in when he worked as a handyman. They also dug up a yard in Hanover, Germany. They did not find human remains, but they did unearth a child’s toy sand bucket in a cemented-off cellar on the premises. It is unclear if that evidence is part of the case being built against the convicted rapist.

 

 

[Annber03]

1 hour ago, LuvMyShows said:

Mark found out Charity was a convicted felon for check fraud.  She said that when she was 17, she had let a friend's kids play with her checkbook (sure Jan, kids love to play with checkbooks), but the friend took some of those checks, and then wrote bad checks, but Charity was convicted.  I guess handwriting analysis and store video don't exist where she grew up.

But my favorite was Mark finding out that she was still married to not one, but two other men, and the only thing she could say was that when she married Mark, the county records office didn't uncover that fact.  Uh, OK, but that's irrelevant once it was discovered! 

LOL, yeah, the checkbook story was...something. Alongside your thing about how unlikely it is that the kids would want to play with a checkbook, I've never heard of anyone just handing over their checkbook to someone at random just for grins and giggles. I've heard of people letting their spouse take control of the checkbook and things like that, but that makes sense, 'cause they're often sharing finances and bills and whatnot. If you're handing over your checkbook to some friend's kids, for ANY reason, that's just plain stupid on your part. It doesn't make any sense, which just further proves how totally bogus her story is. 

And YES, the multiple marriages, and her trying to act like she thought those marriages were null and void...please. Yeah, no, lady, you knew full well you were married to other men when you married Mark. 

I also got a kick out of her constantly talking about how she kept having these "weird feelings" about Mark, and yet she still goes on these trips with him, just the two of them, and she still marries him (despite insisting that she wasn't looking to get married when they went to South Dakota...yet shortly after they get there she conveniently manages to find someone to marry them!) and still goes on romantic outings with him (even after her belief that he'd tried to poison her!), and she'll still happily take his money that he gives her*, and so on and so forth. She's a greedy woman who liked being able to manipulate men and take their money. 

*That said, I wasn't all that fond of Mark, either. He's trying to act all outraged about her actions, and indeed, he absolutely has a right to be angry about her fraud and the bigamy and all that. The fact that she was trying to get him on alimony was total bullshit, too - lady, you committed freaking bigamy, you're in no position to demand anything from anyone else at that point. Sit down and shut up.

But he's trying to act like he was simply spending money on her 'cause he loved her and he wanted to help her and blah, blah, blah...no, dude, you liked that you had a young, attractive woman on your arm, okay? And you wanted to show off how wealthy you were 'cause you knew it would impress her and would make you look like a big deal to others. I just got the feeling he protested a bit too much with his reasoning for why he gave her money and nice things and whatnot. He got snookered by her, and he let her get by with way too much crap for way too long (if I were him, I personally would've been out of there and cutting my losses after the poisoning accusations), and I get the feeling he wasn't all that easy a person to live with at times, either. 

When they started talking about Charity's lies regarding her abilities as a healthcare worker, and her bigamy and fraud, I just kept thinking, "She'd better hope the people from her workplace aren't watching this episode...". 'Cause I can't imagine that's going to bode well for her job-wise going forward. 

[auntjess]

I'm getting so fed up with U-verse, because for Oxygen, and other channel I watch, they've been only giving a boilerplate description, and I can't tell what I want to set to record.
They do this Smithsonian Channel too, and other shows I watch.
I'm wanting the find the Fatal Attraction for Tracy Frame, after you all told me her name, and now they aren't showing the information.

(Yeah, first world problem, I know.)

[SunnyBeBe]

9 hours ago, Vermicious Knid said:

Well, holy crap. Not was I was expecting to hear; Prosecutor reveals what they think happened to Madeleine McCann.
 

 

I guess I’m just disillusioned about the theories.  And, wasn’t Madeleine a crime of opportunity?  How would this guy know she would be left unattended?  

[ApplesandPears]

On 3/20/2022 at 7:28 PM, LuvMyShows said:

Is anyone watching the new show Caught in the Net on ID?  The first episode was called Heart Rate and Time and was one of those where the Fitbit helps determine time of death.   Turns out the 90-year-old stepfather killed his stepdaughter for the life insurance money.   With the Fitbit determining when she died, they had video showing that the stepfather's car had arrived shortly before her death and left shortly afterward, and that no one else came or went.  Police searched his home and found a shirt with blood on it that I think turned out to be hers. 

He denied everything.  When he was in the interview room at the police station, and the detectives left the room, he was of course still on closed circuit camera and he was doing calisthenics, which let them know he was fit enough to have committed the murder.  The detectives told him that they had the bloody shirt, and while they were out of the room, the audio got him talking to himself, saying something like "How can it be?  I was wearing a raincoat"...which they also found in a shed on his property.  Yet in spite of all of that, the mother (married to the step-father) has been unable to believe that her husband actually killed her daughter.  Delusion is powerful!

I remember that episode. I was so angry for the stepdaughter. It seemed like he wanted a romantic relationship with her or something. That's the vibe I got. Her mother is clueless, but many women will do anything to have a man in their life. It's not worth it ladies...or men. We are all worth it and we don't need people like that in our lives because the only thing they bring is bad energy. I bet their lives aren't right today. You can't walk around with that much evil in you and think you're going to have a great life.

[ApplesandPears]

On 4/23/2022 at 4:22 PM, andromeda331 said:

One thing I don't understand is on so many of the crime shows the detectives have a suspect but he or she won't give their DNA why don't they follow the person for a couple days and get it when they discard something? It's happened in other cases and they can find out right away whether or not if theirs a match. But so many don't. Then years later when they finally get the DNA it's a match. I've lost count how many times that's happened. 

I've actually only seen a few of the crime show detectives do that. Maybe it's takes to many hours and not enough man power? Who knows, however, I agree with you.