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13 hours ago, One Tough Cookie said:

Anyone watch the Toolbox Killer the other nite on Snapped?  A  female psychologist "studied" Lawrence Bittacker who was one of the most sadistic killers ever. S he spent a LOT of time with him and it seemed to me she had developed sort of a crush on him-- if you listen to the phone calls--and I noticed  rather provocative outfits she would wear when she visited him. {the dirtbag died recently of cancer}. I don't think she was objective at all, and dare I say it, had a little bit of a crush.

I agree. I thought the FBI profiler did a great job of setting the record straight. I believe Bittaker was playing Brand (the psych) for a fool and it worked.

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One murder I used to see often was the one where the guy and his girlfriend had matching BMWs, or some expensive car, his black and hers white.
I'd rather see repeats of this than the one of the Texas kids hiring killers.

 

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On 9/6/2021 at 11:59 AM, One Tough Cookie said:

I remember seeing an episode on Snapped about a married women and her neighbor having an affair,  The woman was beautiful and the man was extremely good looking {naturally}.  When the actual mugshots were shown both of them looked downright skeevy.  The man looked like a ape and the woman looked like she was on drugs.

I've had the same thoughts with a few of these shows.  I was watching one where the young woman said she dropped out of school and started doing adult modeling because it was fun.  I thought the actress playing her would look similar.  Not even close!  I was just thinking, people actually paid you to model?  To each their own, but it would be nice if the casting was at least close..lol. I was happy she wasn't dead though because she did some wild stuff and got in trouble with the law a bit.

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On 9/17/2021 at 10:31 PM, andromeda331 said:

The latest new Cold Case Files while the murder/rapist did get long sentences for his earlier rapes. He would serve his time and go onto rape again and go to jail. One was even for forty years. Then he was arrested for assaulting a child. How long was he sentence for the crime? Two years. He gets out and returns to raping and murdering women. Why was it so damn hard to keep him in jail? Gee, this guy keeps raping, gets arrested, serves his time and then gets out and rapes again. Maybe not let him out? Maybe give him a life sentence since its clear that he's not going to stop? No wonder he started killing his victims. When they find him for the 1980s murder where is? In jail for another rape. He confesses to it, six more murders, dozens of rapes and burglery. I wish I could say at least that would be different now but we know that's not true. 

But the other infuriating thing what was the job he was able to get after serving his time for rape? EMT. That's right. EMT. How nice that when you call 911 for help and a rapist shows up? How the hell was that even possible? His crime should disqualify him from that job. 

The US justice system needs an overhaul.  I mean they don't even care about old people having their homes taken away by strangers and strangers squatting in people's homes, so I won't hold my breath.

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On 10/4/2021 at 11:10 PM, kathyk2 said:

Detective Dairies on the ID Channel is excellent. Tonight's episode featured a defense attorney who got a man cleared of killing his wife after spending twenty five years in prison. I think the falsely accused man should sue the police and the district attorney for wrongful conviction.

Here's what confused me on this one.  The grandmother (not sure if it was the accused's mother or the victim's mother) had a phone conversation with the little son basically while the murder was happening, and the son made statements that would have made it impossible for the accused (the son's father) to be the murderer.  So wouldn't that grandmother have raised holy hell about the conviction of the father, knowing that it couldn't be true?

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2 hours ago, LuvMyShows said:

Here's what confused me on this one.  The grandmother (not sure if it was the accused's mother or the victim's mother) had a phone conversation with the little son basically while the murder was happening, and the son made statements that would have made it impossible for the accused (the son's father) to be the murderer.  So wouldn't that grandmother have raised holy hell about the conviction of the father, knowing that it couldn't be true?

 

2 hours ago, LuvMyShows said:

Here's what confused me on this one.  The grandmother (not sure if it was the accused's mother or the victim's mother) had a phone conversation with the little son basically while the murder was happening, and the son made statements that would have made it impossible for the accused (the son's father) to be the murderer.  So wouldn't that grandmother have raised holy hell about the conviction of the father, knowing that it couldn't be true?

The sheriff had tunnel vision he also missed a strange footprint. The real killer murdered someone else because nobody thought it was him. The sheriff believed the husband was guilty and that was it.

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On 1/20/2021 at 3:34 PM, Writing Wrongs said:

Anyone watch the Night Stalker documentary on Netflix? I didn't realize all the horrible stuff he had done. The child molestations and things. Truly horrible. And I will never understand the dumbass followers he got. What the hell is wrong with people?

I watched this over the last few nights and thought it was good. The only thing I knew about the case was from a Behind the Music type show on AC/DC and how at the time of the crimes there was some suggestion that of link to the band since they have a song called Night Prowler and the killer was wearing an AC/DC hat. So to learn what actually went down was shocking in how brutal it was. 

Although the woman who was interviewed who survived being abducted and assaulted when she was six was a freaking badass, both now and as a 6 year old. 

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Is anyone watching Buried on Showtime documentary. About Eileen Franklin who accused her dad of murdering her friend in 1969. I think this was made into a TV movie in mid 90's.

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5 hours ago, Nicmar said:

Is anyone watching Buried on Showtime documentary. About Eileen Franklin who accused her dad of murdering her friend in 1969. I think this was made into a TV movie in mid 90's.

This sounds very familiar.  I’ll have to check it out.  

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So I don't remember which Reasonable Doubt episode it was, but something has bothered me ever since, and I need to vent!  One of the proofs that the loved ones gave, was something about how the cops fed the suspect information that then made it look like the suspect was guilty because he knew information that supposedly only the killer would know.  Chris poo-pooed that possibility for the reason that cops just wouldn't do that. 

I like Chris, and I know that he is not a homer who just refuses to accept anything bad about fellow law enforcement.  I think that he was just unable to envision a circumstance in which this would happen, because I think he was literally envisioning only something where the police would basically say out loud to the suspect, "Here are some facts no one knows about the crime scene." 

The way it actually happens, and I have seen it in quite a few interrogation room videos, is that the detective will slap down on the table some disturbing photos of the victim, and say to the suspect, "Look at these.  Look!  See what you've done?"  And the photos will contain tons and tons of clues, like, if it shows blood dripping from a small round area on the left side of the victim's head, and the suspect then says something indicating that the victim was shot, in the head, on the left...and then the cops will say, "Only the killer would know that.  We never released that info."  I just don't think Chris was considering that there are many ways for a cop to convey privileged info to a suspect.

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It never stops amazing me how many people kill their spouse and show zero sign they care that their spouse died. They started dating or get engaged with someone. One moron even got married with in a week of his wife's death. Or they immediately call life insurence policies that day or next day of the death. Or get rid of all their spouses stuff. Or are out partying, having fun. Another moron was even hitting on co-workers at his wife's funeral. An moron woman and her family were laughing and having a great time during her husband's funeral. Another moron woman was painting their bedroom with family talking and laughing the day after her husband's death. Or start spending a lot of money. Then seem shocked when the police start investigating them. 

There's many that are stupid right before killing their spouses. An idiot man on Forsenic Files was buring his wife's stuff before she died. Another idiot woman on Forsenic Files told the IRS that they would be getting paid very soon. I'm not sure if she's the same woman or another one on Forsenic Files who thought if she murdered her husband that would stop the IRS from doing their audit. Her husband owned the business. But she was the one who handled all the money. 

One idiot man on Forsenic Files claimed while they were on vacation in the Florida keys his wife went out and never came back. When the police look into his trip. He picked up only one chicken sandwich from a restaurant. No signs of his wife when they stopped at a gas station during the drive down Florida and at the toll the camera catches a picture of him driving but no one in the passenger seat. When the police ask him where his wife was the idiot says she was in the passenger seat. Another man and his wife were on vacation in St. Louis the man comes back from jogging to find his wife "drowned" in the bathtub. The idiot made sure the door man he'll how long he'll be out jogging. Yeah, that's not weird at all. 

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54 minutes ago, andromeda331 said:

Or they immediately call life insurence policies that day or next day of the death. 

My mom is always baffled by people who do this, and who think they'll just magically suddenly get that money the moment the death happens, or shortly thereafter. Insurance companies generally don't work that fast on that stuff, and if the death is suspicious, there's going to be a delay while the death is investigated. Yet these people seem to think they'll kill someone, and then the very next day, boom, they'll be rolling in dough. No. 

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Another man and his wife were on vacation in St. Louis the man comes back from jogging to find his wife "drowned" in the bathtub. The idiot made sure the door man he'll how long he'll be out jogging. Yeah, that's not weird at all. 

Yeah, that's another type of story my mom comments on a lot, too. She points out how it's so convenient that these murders always seem to occur right when someone just happens to be out of the room/house for whatever reason. Sometimes it really is a mere coincidence, sure, but yeah, more often than not in these kinds of stories, it's a total ruse that falls apart pretty fast. 

I agree with your general sentiment about how callous so many people can be in murdering their spouses, and the behavior they exhibit immediately afterward. Certainly explains so much of the trouble that was lurking in these marriages prior to the killing - and the scary part is that in many of those cases, the murdered spouse didn't see the signs/didn't notice the trouble until it was too late :/. 

It's also chilling to realize how long some of these people plotted their spouses' murders - some of them seemed to have the idea in mind practically from the day they got married, if not even a little before then. Some of these poor victims were doomed from the get-go and they had no clue. That's terrifying. 

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1 hour ago, andromeda331 said:

One idiot man on Forensic Files...another man and his wife were on vacation in St. Louis the man comes back from jogging to find his wife "drowned" in the bathtub. The idiot made sure the door man he'll how long he'll be out jogging. Yeah, that's not weird at all. 

Ed Post. Yeah, I loved that episode of Forensic Files, the prosecutor was a hoot. "I mean, it's straight from the book of who cares? The doorman didn't care. Why would you do that?"

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Holy crap, this new "American Monster" episode... All those 911 calls - I feel for those poor people in that office who had to try to keep up with all of them and put the pieces of this crazy puzzle together as they did. They did a really good job of remaining calm when they tried to explain the situation to anyone who called in about what was going on, though. Granted, that's part of their training, but still, times like this I imagine it'd be hard to try and keep your focus like that. 

I can't believe the guy actually called Tabatha's dad to tell him what he'd done to his daughter. That takes some serious nerve there, that does. 

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1 hour ago, Annber03 said:

 

I can't believe the guy actually called Tabatha's dad to tell him what he'd done to his daughter. That takes some serious nerve there, that does. 

And to ask the stepfather not to hate him. I said to my cat:  Well, he’s certainly not going to love you for that!

Oh! And the cowardly killer cries to the police that he doesn’t want to be shot (when turning himself in).  Tabitha probably didn’t want to be stabbed!  

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6 minutes ago, Tdoc72 said:

And to ask the stepfather not to hate him. I said to my cat:  Well, he’s certainly not going to love you for that!

Seriously, I'm against the death penalty, but when  Aaron was all, "I don't want to be shot!" and worked it out to where he could avoid the death penalty, it was all I could do to keep from rolling my eyes. After hearing about the utterly horrifying final moments Tabatha suffered through*, I just wanted to punch him in the face and tell him to shut up and thank his lucky stars he is still alive. 

And then he's trying to sit there and insist, "I didn't plan this"...only for all the evidence to prove that, no, yeah, actually he did. What a whiny little creep. 

*I feel so bad for the poor driver whose truck hit Tabatha, too. Obviously a total accident on their part, but man, imagine having that on your conscience. 

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1 hour ago, Annber03 said:

Holy crap, this new "American Monster" episode... All those 911 calls - I feel for those poor people in that office who had to try to keep up with all of them and put the pieces of this crazy puzzle together as they did. They did a really good job of remaining calm when they tried to explain the situation to anyone who called in about what was going on, though. Granted, that's part of their training, but still, times like this I imagine it'd be hard to try and keep your focus like that. 

I can't believe the guy actually called Tabatha's dad to tell him what he'd done to his daughter. That takes some serious nerve there, that does. 

How do you sell someone a knife and a machete and not call the police? If someone had Tabatha might be alive today.

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3 minutes ago, kathyk2 said:

How do you sell someone a knife and a machete and not call the police? If someone had Tabatha might be alive today.

My mom wonders about that sometimes when you see footage from a store where someone buys all this stuff that later winds up getting used in a murder. Like you note here, did the cashiers have any inkling something was off with these purchases ahead of time? Do they watch the news later, see that footage, and realize, "Oh, god, I sold them the murder weapon!" How does one deal with that kind of situation? 

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13 hours ago, LexieLily said:

Ed Post. Yeah, I loved that episode of Forensic Files, the prosecutor was a hoot. "I mean, it's straight from the book of who cares? The doorman didn't care. Why would you do that?"

“Hi, my name is Ed Post and I’m going out for a run…”

(A classic line in all the FF fan groups I’m in.)

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Oh gosh, that's so true about all the stupid stuff people do after killing a spouse. I consider "Snapped" almost the HQ of sordid and stupid killers on TV these days. I have no idea how many episodes they've now aired, but they've long since scraped the bottom of the barrel for cases to present. I have often tuned in to Oxygen when there wasn't much else on that I wanted to see, when they've run several hours of Snapped in a row. The cases sort of blur together in my mind, TBH. I do remember a couple of them.

In one case the wife wanted to dump her husband who was working out of state and came home on weekends. During the week the wife and teenaged kids were partying hearty (ick). The evil-est part was that they recruited an intellectually challenged friend of the teens, to kill the guy or maybe dispose of the body (I don't remember the deets), and he couldn't carry out the plan so had to improvise. That poor guy thought he was doing something good for his friends, and I just go cold with anger when I think about how they exploited him. So it was very UN-smart of the wife to recruit this guy to help out, but even worse , it was just plain evil. Arrgh.

Another case was the woman who poisoned her husband with toxins from a plant (gardenia? azalea? I can't recall) and actually volunteered a mention of that plant when interviewed by the cops, or otherwise talked about it before it was determined that was what had killed him. She was a piece of work, tried to blame the husband's co-worker, and IIRC the show suggested that she may have murdered her baby by a prior relationship. (I remembered that case when I read that when federal agents served a search warrant on him to obtain his electronic devices - without stating the purpose of the investigation - Josh Duggar jovially said, "What? Has someone been looking at porn here?" Ahem. Yeah, Josh. Child sexual assault material. And it was you.)

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Anyone else watch the crime shows that air on the Sundance TV channel?

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3 hours ago, Jaded said:

Anyone else watch the crime shows that air on the Sundance TV channel?

I haven’t, but will give it a try.  
 

I’m amazed when a couple is obviously having major trouble, hot tempters, fights, threats and then when one is murdered, friends and family say, OMG, I’m shocked!  Can’t believe it happened.  Really?  Only a million warning signs somebody was going to get hurt or worse.  And who keeps a life insurance on themselves with a spouse who hates you as beneficiary?  Omg, change the beneficiary and inform them, so you remove a big incentive for your death.  

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The two shows that are on Sundance go under the "True Crime Story: (show name here)". The first one that aired had 6 episodes and was hosted by Hilarie Burton under the title True Crime Story: It Couldn't Happen Here. It's more interview based where she goes to peoples homes in the town while driving in a car commenting about the case and to interviews people with knowledge of what occured.

After looking up some of the crimes that were covered they were ones that had been done before but I hadn't really heard about due to not really watching 48 Hours, Dateline and the like that much since my Mom died. She was super into the True Crime stuff. I'm interested but try to not to watch too much to protect my brain from thinking too much about whatever cases that are covered.

There's a 2nd show on Sundance that just started airing after the first one I mentioned seems to have wrapped it's short season. It goes by True Crime Story: Indefensible (article describing why it should be watched) which is hosted by a comedienne named Jena Friedman who uses sarcasm and is really good at questioning the defense lawyers and "expert" witnesses she has interviewed so far. She made them look as absurd as the defenses they participated in.

There was a case on the Indefensible show which I had never heard of and made me angry at everyone involved in the lurid defense that was presented and got the guy off. It covered the death of Francisca I. Marquinez who's boyfriend Richard Patterson claimed she choked on his penis during oral sex which lead to her death. Jena questioned his squirmy attorney, some others involved in the case and an outside lawyer in an attempt to bring to light how ludicrous  "rough sex" defenses are and how they are usually used to defend men accused of killing women. She spoke to to the woman in the clip below and had a conversation that I appreciated was shown. I felt so bad for Francisca's family as she was put on trial while her boyfriend had more protection in regards to his reputation because he was still alive. The trial took 2 weeks and jury spent five hours deliberating...😒
 

 

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On 10/24/2021 at 11:10 PM, kathyk2 said:

How do you sell someone a knife and a machete and not call the police? If someone had Tabatha might be alive today.

A knife, a machete and rope! Good God what else do you need to see? I totally agree about him crying and saying "I don't want to get shot". Gee do you think Tabitha wanted to be stabbed you psychotic moron?

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On 10/25/2021 at 2:15 AM, Annber03 said:

My mom wonders about that sometimes when you see footage from a store where someone buys all this stuff that later winds up getting used in a murder. Like you note here, did the cashiers have any inkling something was off with these purchases ahead of time?

I think maybe cops should have Walmart alert them on middle of the night sales of bleach, tarps, and chain saws.
Isn't it amazing how many killers don't seem to know about surveillance cameras?

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6 minutes ago, auntjess said:

Isn't it amazing how many killers don't seem to know about surveillance cameras?

I remember hearing a story once, not on some true crime show, just one of those "stupid criminal" stories that pop up in the news, where these guys broke into a store and robbed it.

Which was bad enough...but it also happened to be a store that exclusively sold surveillance cameras and other similar equipment. 

Yep. Didn't take long to catch them, no. 

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5 hours ago, auntjess said:

I think maybe cops should have Walmart alert them on middle of the night sales of bleach, tarps, and chain saws.
Isn't it amazing how many killers don't seem to know about surveillance cameras?

I think people usually forget the cameras are there. I saw the worst example of making a criminal more attractive than they are. in a show called Love Kills a woman named Judy was an attractive redhead the real Judy was obese with short dark hair.

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So I've been puttering around the house all morning with episodes of American Monster playing while I'm busy.  I swear that not once, but twice, I have heard the narrator say "he/she protests his/her innocence".  Now my hearing isn't great, and the first time I just assumed I misheard, but this time I feel certain dude said this.  

I feel like the end of the word "professes" is different enough that I didn't misunderstand what was said. 

They couldn't possibly have made such a mistake could they?? 

 

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15 hours ago, sskrill said:

So I've been puttering around the house all morning with episodes of American Monster playing while I'm busy.  I swear that not once, but twice, I have heard the narrator say "he/she protests his/her innocence".  Now my hearing isn't great, and the first time I just assumed I misheard, but this time I feel certain dude said this. 

Actually, either one is correct.

https://www.ldoceonline.com/Law-topic/innocence

https://www.ldoceonline.com/dictionary/profess-your-innocence

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Over the last few days I watched the Netflix documentary series This is a Robbery, about the huge art heist at the Isabelle Stewart Gardener Museum in Boston. It was good, especially for something I knew nothing about. Although I kind of wish they spent some more time on the initial investigation and what actually went on during the robbery. Since they talked a bit about how they thought it was an inside job with one of the guards, but didn't really dig much into it. Especially since there was the whole thing about how most of the art was taken from one room, except one piece on a different floor where the motion sensors didn't detect anyone but a guard earlier in the evening. So either a guard took that piece or a crooked cop once the cops showed up. 

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On 10/28/2021 at 11:56 PM, kathyk2 said:

I think people usually forget the cameras are there. I saw the worst example of making a criminal more attractive than they are. in a show called Love Kills a woman named Judy was an attractive redhead the real Judy was obese with short dark hair.

I was watching a Murder in the Heartland marathon over the weekend, one of the cases was of a husband who gets killed and (of course) it ends up being the wife who set it all up with her lover. Anyway, both the male actor and the female actor who portrayed the couple were handsome/gorgeous, and the actor who portrayed the lover was also extremely good-looking. Then they showed the real life people and Mr. Keps says "Whoa, they were really kind to all 3 of those people!" 

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4 hours ago, BexKeps said:

I was watching a Murder in the Heartland marathon over the weekend, one of the cases was of a husband who gets killed and (of course) it ends up being the wife who set it all up with her lover. Anyway, both the male actor and the female actor who portrayed the couple were handsome/gorgeous, and the actor who portrayed the lover was also extremely good-looking. Then they showed the real life people and Mr. Keps says "Whoa, they were really kind to all 3 of those people!" 

This is a common refrain in my house when the hubby passes through while I am watching "my programs".  lol!

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Watched the latest On the Case episode, and in it, a prime suspect for a murder ended up being jailed for something else.  And while in jail, a fellow inmate ratted the suspect out, as having confessed to the crime so many times that the inmate was actually sick of listening to it, and the inmate provided some details that he learned from the suspect.  So, rather than wire the inmate to get the suspect's confession on tape, the police go confront the suspect in prison, and he of course denies he ever said anything about it to the other inmate.  So it never went any farther and the case is still unsolved.  SMH.  I don't get it.

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New episodes of Cold Justice start tonight. Next Friday Oxygen is airing a special Murdered and Missing in Montana about crimes on an Indian reservation. I read the news daily and haven't heard about these cases,

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7 hours ago, kathyk2 said:

New episodes of Cold Justice start tonight. Next Friday Oxygen is airing a special Murdered and Missing in Montana about crimes on an Indian reservation. I read the news daily and haven't heard about these cases,

Just saw this.  I’ll try to catch it on demand.  
 

Does anyone know the name of a tv mini series or movie about an old mobster who was suffering from dementia and who retired on a beautiful estate in FL?  The story shows his wife who tries to take care of him, as well as FBI agents who try to interview him in order to find the location of millions of dollars they think he hid.  He loses touch with realty and shoots at his family and staff while suffering delusions.  It’s not the new movie Lansky.  It seems like it was on FX, but I can’t find it.  

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On 11/7/2021 at 12:02 AM, SunnyBeBe said:

Does anyone know the name of a tv mini series or movie about an old mobster who was suffering from dementia and who retired on a beautiful estate in FL?  The story shows his wife who tries to take care of him, as well as FBI agents who try to interview him in order to find the location of millions of dollars they think he hid.  He loses touch with realty and shoots at his family and staff while suffering delusions.  It’s not the new movie Lansky.  It seems like it was on FX, but I can’t find it.  

Could it be Capone (2020)???

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4 hours ago, Schnickelfritz said:

Could it be Capone (2020)???

Yes, it was. Tks.  I’ve tried to rewatch it, but don’t care for it as much the second time around.  
 

I did catch the latest episode aired on Cold Justice.  Another sad story, but it was solved with charges being filed. It seems the case is strong.  I have a question why the victim, who was scared of the man who killed her, told him details about her new boyfriend right before she was killed.  It would seem you wouldn’t provide the man she was scared of where she was going. He could have followed her and killed her and her new boyfriend.  

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Cold Justice has it's own thread here. Usually I just lurk in this one but I came across this and thought some of you may be interested. Two of the Turpin sisters who survived their horrendously abusive parents will speak to Diane Sawyer on a 20/20 special airing November 19.

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Disturbing details about the case came to light in January 2018, after one of the daughters escaped their home in Perris, California, and called 911 using a cellphone she had taken with her. The girl, who was 17 at the time, told police that her brothers and sisters were being held by their parents, David and Louise Turpin, and some were chained, investigators said.

Responding officers initially thought the girl was a child because she was so emaciated, according to the investigators. When police entered the house — which became known as the "house of horrors — they found children ranging in age from 2 to 29 being held in "dark and foul-smelling surroundings," investigators said.

Some of the children were bound to their beds and furniture by chains and padlocks and many of them told police they were "starving," according to the Riverside County Sheriff’s Department.

 

 

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On 10/25/2021 at 8:36 PM, Jaded said:

Anyone else watch the crime shows that air on the Sundance TV channel?

I recently started the "It Couldn't Happen Here" series, and I was really struck by the Deenie Breeden episode (Shelbyville, KY):

It was eye-opening to me to learn about what a grand jury inquest actually is, and isn't.  In many jurisdictions, there is no obligation whatsoever to present any exculpatory information, which is why the rate of indictment ranges from 95-99%.  I'll come back to the impact of that in a second. 

So, in this episode, a woman was accused of killing this guy Deenie.  She was indicted and they were going for the death penalty (or life in prison, I don't remember).  She was offered a plea deal of 10 years, eligible for parole after 6 months, and because she had already spent 1-2 years waiting for trial, she would therefore be immediately eligible for parole.  So, no brainer, right?  However, she entered an Alford Plea, so right away my uh-oh radar went up, because an Alford Plea explicitly does not admit guilt, yet parole boards notoriously require remorse for your crime as a condition of granting parole.  

And sure enough, that's exactly what happened.  She did not show remorse at her parole hearing, because she maintained that she didn't do it, and had to serve her full sentence.  So, back to the grand jury.  What was not presented at the grand jury, is that the woman weighed about 100 pounds and had only one leg, and he was a big, fat guy (their words).  She supposedly dragged him out of her house after she supposedly shot him, loaded him into her car, hoisted his body over a bridge railing and tossed him in the water.  This is clearly impossible, so then they invented that someone else must have helped her, even though there was not one shred of evidence of that.  Since she settled rather than having a trial, based on what seemed like the good deal they offered her, there was no opportunity to have the evidence presented, which probably would have acquitted her.  She never should have been indicted, and the indictment led to the plea, which is what led to her serving 10 years, but when only one side is presented at an indictment, that's the result you get. 

The other thing that struck me during the episode, was that at some point during her term, there was a supposed confession from a guy whose brother had just been arrested for possession of an enormous amount of drugs, and this guy confessed to killing Deenie in hopes of getting leniency for his brother.  The confession did not sound convincing at all...he snickered after each major action that he recounted, and he kept referring to Deenie as "the big fat sh*t", like he was trying to make it sound more convincing.  The confession sounded like a recitation of facts he had learned about the case, but the detective genuinely thought it was convincing, even though the whole thing so clearly looked to me like a made-up effort just to hopefully make things better for his brother.  I can't remember the intricacies of why she still had to serve out her full term, in spite of a request for a new hearing with the new evidence, but I know that it still had to do with that original Alford Plea.  Anyway, after her sentence, she sued for wrongful imprisonment or something, and settled for $750K.

If anyone remembers this episode, I'd be curious to hear your opinion.

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I've started watch the HLN series Lies, Crimes, & Video.  
I'm a sucker for surveillance videos.
Did anyone see the Hear No Evil about the Secret Service catching the counterfeiter, who turned out to be a sadistic killer, who left recordings?
I'd seen it before, but don't understand why they stopped after the counterfeiting convictions, which gave him like 180 years... but they had evidence to convict in a Louisiana murder case, and he'd have gone to Angola, and probably a death sentence.
He deserved payback.

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9 hours ago, auntjess said:

I've started watch the HLN series Lies, Crimes, & Video.  

I watch that too.  Poor Cherish Perrywinkle, her mom pisses me off SO MUCH!  I don’t care how much you’re struggling, you do NOT let some rando offer to pay for your stuff(after initial misgivings, she trusted him “because he had a wife”), then buy your kids Happy Meals, and conveniently walk off with your oldest daughter.  Lo and behold, he turns out to be a sex offender(what a surprise!)and she’s found dead the next day.

Rayne Perrywinkle eventually lost custody of her surviving daughters, and they were adopted by a relative in Australia.

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On 11/9/2021 at 8:46 PM, Vermicious Knid said:

Cold Justice has it's own thread here. Usually I just lurk in this one but I came across this and thought some of you may be interested. Two of the Turpin sisters who survived their horrendously abusive parents will speak to Diane Sawyer on a 20/20 special airing November 19.

 

The interview with the Turpin daughters was excellent. Jordan Turpin is a hero. I was appalled that some of the Turpin children were abused in foster care. If any children deserved to be treated well it's them. 

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2 hours ago, kathyk24 said:

The interview with the Turpin daughters was excellent. Jordan Turpin is a hero. I was appalled that some of the Turpin children were abused in foster care. If any children deserved to be treated well it's them. 

The interview was excellent. I was horrified at how horrible their lives were and how horrible they were after rescued. Infuritated actually. Children abused, a foster mother who told one of the Turbin girl she had that she understood why her mother chained her up, requests from the adults all being declined. Even a bike. Oh, and not a single one has been able to access the money that was raised for them. But of course no one will explain why. Just using the excuse that all confidential. Bullshit. I hope the DA is serious about holding people responsible but I have my doubts.

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Wow, you just never know what someone is capable of.  In the recent Dateline episode, "Horror at the Lake", this single mom had an adopted son who was presented as the golden son and that they had a very good relationship, especially as compared to her other son who had not lived with her for most of his childhood and was portrayed as very much of a black sheep.  Anyway, the good son discovered his mom with a hatchet in her head and called 911, essentially narrating what he was discovering as he was talking to 911.  

So one detail from the episode that stunned me, was that at some point, he was no longer living at her house (I can't remember how that came about...at one point, the bad son pressed false charges of abuse against her and both sons were removed, so maybe this was then).  And his conditions to come back and live with her, included her signing a notarized agreement that she would get him a car so he could drive to school and that she could not take it away, and that she would agree to pay for an apartment (there were more conditions like that, but I can't remember what they were).  He did end up coming back to live with her, and I wanted to know if she signed that agreement!  

So, of course it turns out that he was the one who did it (they had cleared the bad son earlier).  And this son-of-a-bitch, while he was on the phone with 911 ostensibly being horrified at what he was seeing, was actually walking out behind the house to the lake, and throwing her cell phone in, along with the 3 inside alarm cameras (items he of course denied knowing anything about).  Only at the end did they reveal to us that he had been drinking since he was 11 (he was 17), and had recently started dealing drugs from the house.  I think the motive was that she would only pay for a 4-year college and he wanted to go to trade school.

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If you have HBO Black and Missing is a must watch. It's a series featuring two women who have a website devoted to missing people who are minorities. The families of the missing are interviewed and there is a discussion of missing white women syndrome. John Walsh is also featured.

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4 hours ago, kathyk24 said:

If you have HBO Black and Missing is a must watch. It's a series featuring two women who have a website devoted to missing people who are minorities. The families of the missing are interviewed and there is a discussion of missing white women syndrome. John Walsh is also featured.

Parts 3 and 4 of Missing and Black are on tonight.

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Watched an old Dateline, and it was the case of Dr. John Hamilton, and his wife Susan who was murdered.  (I remember this case from any number of other franchises, because it's the one where Susan gave John a Valentine's Day card, but added a handwritten part with something about "obviously I got this card before the other night").  Anyway, he was accused of having killed her in their home during a short window between surgeries, and then immediately driven back to the hospital and performing a successful surgery.  He is the one who discovered her and called 911, and while he was on the phone with them, he wanted to get off the phone so he could continue administering CPR. 

So I was absolutely flabbergasted at two things that he gave as explanations in a Dateline interview.  First, they asked him how Susan's blood and tissue got in his car.  And he said that he wanted to get the car out of the way so the emergency personnel could have better access, and it was after having done CPR so his hands were bloody, but he was so jittery that he couldn't move it.  I believe that he was asked about having removed himself from giving CPR in order to do it, and he said that deep down he must have known that she was already dead.  Second, they asked why her jewelry was all wrapped up and hidden in her underwear drawer.  He said he really wasn't sure, but he just didn't want it out there in the open. 

Soooooo....does this mf'er think we should believe that a practicing physician would stop giving his wife (who he called the love of his life) CPR, to move his f'ing car, especially when he had wanted to get off the phone with 911 so he could go back to CPR?  And that he would stop giving her CPR again to hide her jewelry?

After his conviction, he tried to discredit the bloodspatter science that convicted him by saying how could it be real, if one expert said the shoes were the key to the guilt, and another said it was the shirt?  Uh, dude, that doesn't really help your case...it means that the science itself isn't being discredited at all, but just that two separate findings were so significant that experts merely disagreed about which was most important.

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On 10/25/2021 at 1:48 PM, Jeeves said:

Another case was the woman who poisoned her husband with toxins from a plant (gardenia? azalea? I can't recall) and actually volunteered a mention of that plant when interviewed by the cops, or otherwise talked about it before it was determined that was what had killed him. 

I vaguely remember this and think the plant was oleander, which grows by the roadside, and I remember that somehow that fact was relevant to her story.  Also, IIRC, the reason she mentioned it to the authorities was that there needed to be a cause of death in order for the insurance process to move forward, and they weren't figuring it out.

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