S07.E05: Mind Your Own Business

[The Mighty Peanut]

ITA, film noire. I've been in situations where I've caught feelings for someone who misrepresented himself, and that's bad enough. It's not a nice feeling when you realize someone you like essentially considers you a side piece. But...to find out he's dating someone old enough to be your mother with whom you actually confided in? That's low. It's actually kind of cruel, IMO.

[shoegal]

ITA, film noire. I've been in situations where I've caught feelings for someone who misrepresented himself, and that's bad enough. It's not a nice feeling when you realize someone you like essentially considers you a side piece. But...to find out he's dating someone old enough to be your mother with whom you actually confided in? That's low. It's actually kind of cruel, IMO.

I don't believe that Nicole and Carole had the kind of relationship where Nicole confided anything. According to Carole, she has been around Nicole 3 times in four years...and presumably Nicole was dating Adam at that time. LuAnn only mentioned that Nicole had talked about Adam, which is a very generic description of very common behavior. People often talk about their significant other, that is quite a leap to assume there was any confiding going on.

I'm sure it sucks for Nicole that Adam moved on with someone she knows, and publicly, but she and Adam were no longer in a relationship. People move on, get over it and move on as well...that would be my advice for Nicole...and LuAnn.

[WireWrap]

Yeah, it smells of something behind the scenes that Luann can't be more specific about (niece might've only recently told her about the real circumstances of the relationship). For me, the  worst of it was Carole R being privy to the niece's relationship, as it was still ongoing. I keep coming back to the creep factor of someone who listened to me talk about my boyfriend (someone almost thirty years older than me and a friend of my aunt, someone in the 'friend of my family member' category, and thus 'safe') suddenly sleeping with my ex.  The vampirism of that just floors me -- who the hell does that? Who would listen to a young woman -- on more than one occasion -- and then go out and target that man? Whatever age you are now, imagine yourself in your early twenties; imagine sitting at a few lunches, discussing your relationship with a much older person than you -- that person a friend of your aunt -- and then bam! you find out she's fucking your ex. (I use that word advisedly, in tribute to Carole R's emotional vulgarity.) And on top of everything else, it's all over the media. So even if they weren't still sleeping together, if I were Lu's niece, I'd feel repulsed and disgusted by Carole R's actions -- it would feel so fetid and sick -- like she went pawing through my emotional life, just to find a fucktoy.

Going out to lunch with her Aunt and her Aunts friend does not mean that Nicole would spill the ins and outs of her relationship with a stranger, no matter how close that stranger was to her Aunt! LOL Then add into it, is this the only Adam LuAnn knows and did Carole even know that Nicole's BF, assuming she did talk in front of Carole about him, know his name was/is Adam?

 

There are too many missing pieces here to condemn Carole for dating him. Starting with, you have to believe every word out of LuAnn's mouth and finishing with, ignoring the fact that all was fine between her and Carole through filming and after filming ended until the show aired. IMO, LuAnn is using her niece/Adam/Carole to keep her apple securely in her hands because she was demoted last season after filming ended and this keeps her front and center with the viewers, thus securing that apple.  LOL   JMO

[Mozelle]

I don't believe that Nicole and Carole had the kind of relationship where Nicole confided anything. According to Carole, she has been around Nicole 3 times in four years...and presumably Nicole was dating Adam at that time. LuAnn only mentioned that Nicole had talked about Adam, which is a very generic description of very common behavior. People often talk about their significant other, that is quite a leap to assume there was any confiding going on.

I'm sure it sucks for Nicole that Adam moved on with someone she knows, and publicly, but she and Adam were no longer in a relationship. People move on, get over it and move on as well...that would be my advice for Nicole...and LuAnn.

 

I keep wondering where the idea comes from that Nicole (LuAnn's niece) talked to Carole about Adam. Is the source for this information LuAnn? She of the "I ran into some Italian friends and they wanted to still party so I invited all of the Italian friends back to the vacation house" story that had more holes than Swiss cheese?

[Celia Rubenstein]

So .... all along I have been thinking that what Carole did was pretty crummy, her hooking up with Adam.  After whatever amount of time she spent with Nicole, whether there were deep dramatic confessions from Nicole or just girlish chatting, it seems that Carole should have known that (regardless of what Adam claimed to her) the relationship was not over for Nicole - and Carole should have found another boytoy in a city of zillions of men.  

 

Sure, Adam was part of it all.  None of this could have happened without him, of course.  But maybe because he is not an actual cast member-housewife himself (or is in all probability just some wanna-be superchef trying to get himself some airtime by hooking up with with one), I sort of wrote him off.  Just dismissed him. I pretty much let him off the hook for his role in all this due to my preoccupation with the role of Carole. 

 

But something about the last page of posts here has made me really come to the realization what a GIANT ASSHOLE DICKWAD in this guy Adam really is.  

 

He does not bear equal responsibility for everything.  This guy Adam had a far, far greater obligation to not screw over Nicole than Carole ever did.  While what Carole was told by Nicole is unknown, Adam himself clearly had some kind of serious relationship with Nicole at some point.   He is by far the one with the more overriding duty to not go poaching for pieces of ass among his ex's friends of the family.  Yet poach away he did. And I don't recall ever hearing that Adam took it upon himself to inform either Nicole, LuAnn, or Nic's twin that he works for that he was hooking up with Carole.  He seems to have left that to Carole to contend with, when in fact he seems to have more (and deeper) connections to Luann and her family than Carole does. 

 

I can only guess why Luann has not been ripping into Adam the way she been ripping into Carole. Perhaps she does not want to burn that bridge because Nicole still has some hope of reconciling with Adam (I hope not).  Lu can also be a little indulgent of "men being men" imo, but I can't imagine her just writing such behavior off where Nicole is concerned.  Perhaps she has put Adam on blast in private and just sees no need to publicly have a go at him as she is doing with Carole. 

 

At any rate, to the extent that Adam has either found true love with Carole or found some measure of fame, I am kind of hoping it backfires on him.  What he did was way worse than what Carole did and I really hope he ends up regretting it.

 

 

[shoegal]

I don't believe what Adam or Carole did was that horrendous. As far as I understand, Adam and Nicole were not married, they did not have any children together, they were not currently in a relationship together. It's not that uncommon to date people within the same social circle or anyone who may have an ex that you've met or been friendly with....or to date anyone who may know your ex girlfriend. Mountains out of hole mills, IMO.

[Beden]

 

I think people would have a lot more respect for her if she stopped trying to soft-pedal her problems with comments like "they only sue when they know you can afford to pay them," started living within her means, and looking for an income source that doesn't reek of shady or vague. (I think, too, the tabloids wouldn't take such glee in her situation if she showed that she was dealing with stuff head-on.) Instead, she insists that there's nothing wrong and seems to be living beyond her means.

Well, yes. But as my old daddy would say, 'and if a frog had wings he wouldn't bump his ass on the ground'. I feel sorry for Sonja; she's living in the land of d'Nile where Mr. Morgan is still reading the Wall Street Journal in the next room and the Churchills are joining them for dinner. The town house is a showplace, the house in France and the yacht are awaiting the next fabulous weekend, she's still the cutest trick in shoe leather and that pesky $7 mil judgement will be handled by the minions who handle such things. And her brand is soon to be the hottest ticket in town

 

I don't find her funny, simply sad and unable to cope with her reality of serious financial problems and the mockery of people who are, supposedly, her friends.

[Souvlaki]

In her blog tonight, LuAnn says that Adam and her niece had plans to go on a trip together during the time he was seeing/sleeping with Carole and that is why she was mad. She does not say that Carole knew about the planned trip before she got with Adam though and seems to blames Carole, not Adam the guy who did this knowing there was a trip planned. IMO, she is placing blame on the wrong person. At that "singles" party last week, wasn't LuAnn's hookup as young as Sonja's was? It seems to be ok to "hookup" with a boy toy but not to actually have/develop a relationship with them according to LuAnn's way of thinking/acting!

Really... being 'uncool' of her niece, too. I agree that the bulk of responsibility for hurt feelings is Adam's issue and this is making Lu look a bit silly. Although... I wonder if they're implying in any way that Carole coerced him into staying and filming... which leads me back to my original point, not a good look, envy—though I personally haven't seen any reports of her being mad (edit: I think the "IDGAF" was honest, but an unnecessary thing to say irl) and I need to rewatch most of this episode. If I were Nicole, I would stay mum and ditch the idea of a friend in this guy, let alone a relationship. I wonder how she feels about Lu's commentary. There are so-thousand Adam-doppellegangers roaming New York in their beanies.

I sometimes wonder if this "cute" thing they're trying to make out of half of these women being single and their stories about going after younger men are to get a younger crowd watching or something. I don't mind the play, but it would be nice to see a few serious dates. (objectively debates Carole's bikeride)

Edited May 9, 2015 by Souvlaki

[film noire]

Going out to lunch with her Aunt and her Aunts friend does not mean that Nicole would spill the ins and outs of her relationship with a stranger, no matter how close that stranger was to her Aunt! LOL (snip)

 

I'm not depending on Luann's word, I'm looking at Carole's word and finding it dubious at best. Carole's been claiming she hardly knew Nicole Nadeau, barely met her,  etc -- when actually, there are pics now popping up online of Lu, Nicole and Carole hanging out together   -- one of those photographs being of Nicole Nadeau's art opening -- so Carole pretending to have only met the young woman three times in four years is a lie that's biting her in the ass.  And (Adam aside)  if someone came to my art opening, took a cozy photo with me and then pretended to barely know me -- while airily informing the world they didn't give a fuck what I thought or felt --  that alone would render them pretty fucking awful, in my books.  

Edited May 9, 2015 by film noire

[shoegal]

I'm not depending on Luann's word, I'm looking at Carole's word and finding it dubious at best. Carole's been claiming she hardly knew Nicole Nadeau, barely met her, etc -- when actually, there are pics now popping up online of Lu, Nicole and Carole hanging out together -- one of those photographs being of Nicole Nadeau's art opening -- so Carole pretending to have only met the young woman three times in four years is a lie that's biting her in the ass. And (Adam aside) if someone came to my art opening, took a cozy photo with me and then pretended to barely know me -- while airily informing the world they didn't give a fuck what I thought or felt -- that alone would render them pretty fucking awful, in my books.

Unless one of those 3 times in 4 years was at Nicole's art opening. The photos are from two events, one in 2012 and one in 2014. How does that prove Carole is a liar? She's not claiming she never met Nicole. Edited May 9, 2015 by shoegal

[WireWrap]

I'm not depending on Luann's word, I'm looking at Carole's word and finding it dubious at best. Carole's been claiming she hardly knew Nicole Nadeau, barely met her,  etc -- when actually, there are pics now popping up online of Lu, Nicole and Carole hanging out together   -- one of those photographs being of Nicole Nadeau's art opening -- so Carole pretending to have only met the young woman three times in four years is a lie that's biting her in the ass.  And (Adam aside)  if someone came to my art opening, took a cozy photo with me and then pretended to barely know me -- while airily informing the world they didn't give a fuck what I thought or felt --  that alone would render them pretty fucking awful, in my books.  

Carole never denied meeting Nicole, she denied they were friends. LOL Going to Nicole's art opening means nothing other than she was invited to go by her friend LuAnn. I have been around my Aunt's friends lots of times but have never discussed my personal life, nor do I consider them my personal friends! LOL

[film noire]

Unless one of those 3 times in 4 years was at Nicole's art opening. How does that prove Carole is a liar? She's not claiming she never met Nicole.

 

She did, initially -- she said on Twitter  "I don't know her niece", then it turned into Carole only having met Nicole a handful of times, and now that there are pics surfacing, Carole will likely claim that yes, they were more than distant ships passing in the night three times in four years, but Carole sees "knowing" as a metaphysical thing -- not something that occurs when you meet someone's niece multiple times -- thus she felt free to say she didn't know, barely met, and thus doesn't give a fuck about the young woman she has her arms around in a photo taken at the A.C.E. committee event. And as I said, Adam aside, the way Carole has pretended to not know /barely know someone she was happy to take photos with when it suited her, is pretty fucking toxic, imo. 

Carole never denied meeting Nicole, she denied they were friends. LOL

Wirewrap, I dig your posts, but please stop 'laughing' at my opinions (or more accurately,  your restated version of my opinions:) I'm sure you don't mean it negatively, but it reads strangely to me. 

Edited May 9, 2015 by film noire

[Mozelle]

Unless one of those 3 times in 4 years was at Nicole's art opening. The photos are from two events, one in 2012 and one in 2014. How does that prove Carole is a liar? She's not claiming she never met Nicole.

So on Twitter Carole said that she doesn't know Nicole. Apparently taking a couple pictures with someone means you know them. Carole says that she's met Nicole several times over four years. I'm of the opinion that meeting someone (or being in a picture with them) doesn't necessarily mean that you know them in any meaningful way; it can mean you were at the same social event and someone came by and snapped a picture.

There are a bunch of pictures of me on Facebook with my friends. There are also pictures of me on Facebook where maybe I'm with a friend and one of their friends and whoever comes by with their camera and snaps a photo. If someone were to say, "Oh, girl, I didn't know you knew so-and-so" I'd be of the mind that having a five minute conversation with so-and-so and being in a picture with so-and-so doesn't constitute knowing the person.

Edited May 9, 2015 by Mozelle

[WireWrap]

She did, initially -- she said on Twitter  "I don't know her niece", then it turned into Carole only having met Nicole a handful of times, and now that there are pics surfacing, Carole will likely claim that yes, they were more than distant ships passing in the night three times in four years, but Carole sees "knowing" as a metaphysical thing -- not something that occurs when you meet someone's niece multiple times -- thus she felt free to say she didn't know, barely met, and thus doesn't give a fuck about the young woman she has her arms around in a photo taken at the A.C.E. committee event. And as I said, Adam aside, the way Carole has pretended to not know /barely know someone she was happy to take photos with when it suited her, is pretty fucking toxic, imo. 

Wirewrap, I dig your posts, but please stop laughing at my opinions, okay? Thanks!

Good grief, so she stood/posed for photos with LuAnn and her niece. Knowing someone means more than meeting them a handful of times over the course of 3-4 years, I have met thousands of people during that time but "know" only a very few.

 

No matter what, the fact that LuAnn was fine and dandy with Carole just 3 - 4 weeks ago speaks volumes to me and tells me that this is LuAnn's attempt to keep her apple and not some serious umbrage because Carole is dating Adam. Also, the fact that Nicole has not said/tweeted/posted on IG 1 word in support of her Aunt says this is not on her behalf IMO.

[shoegal]

She did, initially -- she said on Twitter  "I don't know her niece", then it turned into Carole only having met Nicole a handful of times, and now that there are pics surfacing, Carole will likely claim that yes, they were more than distant ships passing in the night three times in four years, but Carole sees "knowing" as a metaphysical thing -- not something that occurs when you meet someone's niece multiple times -- thus she felt free to say she didn't know, barely met, and thus doesn't give a fuck about the young woman she has her arms around in a photo taken at the A.C.E. committee event. And as I said, Adam aside, the way Carole has pretended to not know /barely know someone she was happy to take photos with when it suited her, is pretty fucking toxic, imo. 

I think a single photo of Nicole and Carole together doesn't really prove anything.

For example, I just spent a weekend at the wedding of one of my friends sister. I have met the sister twice and would never say I "know" her. I am friends with her brother. There are photos of us from the event, and posed photos of me with others at the wedding (with our arms around each other) that I have "met" but do not "know". Am I now obligated to be considerate of all of their past relationships?

Nicole and Carole have met previously, through LuAnn. As far as I understand, they had no relationship. Carole owes Nicole nothing IMO.

[WireWrap]

She did, initially -- she said on Twitter  "I don't know her niece", then it turned into Carole only having met Nicole a handful of times, and now that there are pics surfacing, Carole will likely claim that yes, they were more than distant ships passing in the night three times in four years, but Carole sees "knowing" as a metaphysical thing -- not something that occurs when you meet someone's niece multiple times -- thus she felt free to say she didn't know, barely met, and thus doesn't give a fuck about the young woman she has her arms around in a photo taken at the A.C.E. committee event. And as I said, Adam aside, the way Carole has pretended to not know /barely know someone she was happy to take photos with when it suited her, is pretty fucking toxic, imo. 

Wirewrap, I dig your posts, but please stop 'laughing' at my opinions (or more accurately,  your restated version of my opinions:) I'm sure you don't mean it negatively, but it reads strangely to me. 

I did not restate your opinion, I gave mine! I was just trying to make light of the topic with my "LOL", not make fun of you. Sorry if it/me offended you.

[film noire]

 If someone were to say, "Oh, girl, I didn't know you knew so-and-so" I'd be of the mind that having a five minute conversation with so-and-so and being in a picture with so-and-so doesn't constitute knowing the person.

 

Do you have your arms around so-and-so in that photo? Are there other photos of so-and-so with you? Is that so-and-so the loved niece of a friend and work colleague? A niece your colleague is often seen around town with, at the same events you go to? Is this so-and-so a former employee of the company that now employs you? Did you attend an important work event for this so-and-so? Are you now fucking so-and-so's ex?  Are you now  publicly proclaiming you don't give a fuck what so-and-so thinks and feels about you fucking her ex?  Because if so (and so:), that's a whole lot of energy to put into someone you don't know, or have only met three times in nearly half a decade, or whatever Carole's latest story is.

I was just trying to make light of the topic with my "LOL", not make fun of you. Sorry if it/me offended you.

 

Thanks for the explanation, Wirewrap -- LOL away:)

Edited May 10, 2015 by film noire

[shoegal]

Where are these other photos of Carole and Nicole hanging out together? I have seen the supposedly scandalous photos from exactly two events...these are supposed to be evidence of a relationship between Nicole and Carole? They attended the same events a couple of times?

Edited May 9, 2015 by shoegal

[Almost 3000]

To funny ~ I usually can pick a side in these HW dust-ups but the back and forth postings about the Carol, Nicole and Adam triangle has me wanting to thumbs up one post and then the next takes the other side and I want to thumbs up that post. I don't think I've ever had this problem before.  ;p

[Higgins]

I don't give two fucks either but Carole grates....big time. I don't mind, in fact I like, young at heart but not on her, not the way she tries to pull it off. .It just feels pathetic and always has to me. She is not "cute" no way, no how.

[ryebread]

And the age difference doesn't bother me at all. Why should it? 13 years isn't even that big for this group. The Count was I think 15 years older than Luanne, i think Josh is 10 years older than Kristen. It's not an issue for me if it isn't for Carole.

 

The references to Adam being an embryo and a toddler are cracking me up.  That said, the age difference between them isn't 13 years, it's almost 22. 

 

Kirsten is a very pretty woman but her lipcolor at the cocktail party was bizarre - magenta/purple with red in the corners on my screen. Is that a thing?

 

Believe it or not, BLUE lips are a thing.  Even green.  Kristen's lip color technique is called 'ombre' and it's definitely a thing.  Or was a thing.

[Higgins]

The references to Adam being an embryo and a toddler are cracking me up.  That said, the age difference between them isn't 13 years, it's almost 22. 

 

 

Believe it or not, BLUE lips are a thing.  Even green.  Kristen's lip color technique is called 'ombre' and it's definitely a thing.  Or was a thing.

For two minutes? I missed that one. The brow thing is still a thing......I think.

[FozzyBear]

The references to Adam being an embryo and a toddler are cracking me up. That said, the age difference between them isn't 13 years, it's almost 22.

It is? Eh, I still say whatever. I have such a laundry list of reasons that Carole bugs, cradle robbing doesn't even crack the top 20.

[Mozelle]

Do you have your arms around so-and-so in that photo? Are there other photos of so-and-so with you? Is that so-and-so the loved niece of a friend and work colleague? A niece your colleague is often seen around town with, at the same events you go to? Is this so-and-so a former employee of the company that now employs you? Did you attend an important work event for this so-and-so? Are you now fucking so-and-so's ex?  Are you now  publicly proclaiming you don't give a fuck what so-and-so thinks and feels about you fucking her ex?  Because if so (and so:), that's a whole lot of energy to put into someone you don't know, or have only met three times in nearly half a decade, or whatever Carole's latest story is.

 

Thanks for the explanation, Wirewrap -- LOL away:)

 

Oh, so you're making it more specific to LuAnn and Carole because...? In any case, Carole has every right to say that she doesn't know Nicole. If you're a social person (as Carole is), deciding to equate two damn pictures taken over the span of three years with being close enough to the party in the picture not to date that person's ex is reaching in my estimation. 

 

If I'm at a party, and I'm in a picture with a friend of a friend (or my friend's cousin or my friend's aunt or my friend's niece or my friend's sorority sister or my friend's work colleague)--the idea that I now owe something to that person to not deal with someone she might have dated (or to now act like I *know* that person) is so over-the-top as to be comical.

 

Besides, Carole wouldn't have to put any energy into anything if LuAnn hadn't decided that just 10 days ago she needed to go on a social media rant about something she BEEN known about since last fall. Because for LuAnn, the greatest issue is not that Adam is Nicole's ex. No, it's that Carole is fucking LuAnn's help.

[WireWrap]

 No, it's that Carole is fucking LuAnn's help.

I have to admit, it is weird that LuAnn puts as much anger into the fact that Carole is dating a member of her staff/help as the fact that Carole is dating someone that dated her niece a year before. Is she more upset that Carole took Adam from her niece or that she took him from her because LuAnn is acting more like a jilted lover than an over protective Aunt of a 20 something woman.  

[ryebread]

For two minutes? I missed that one. The brow thing is still a thing......I think.

 

Blue ombre!  I can provide a link to a tutorial if you'd like....

 

[Higgins]

Oh, no need I think my mom used to do something like that with red lip liner and pink lipstick in the 70s or 80s.

[rho]

The references to Adam being an embryo and a toddler are cracking me up.  That said, the age difference between them isn't 13 years, it's almost 22. 

 

 

Believe it or not, BLUE lips are a thing.  Even green.  Kristen's lip color technique is called 'ombre' and it's definitely a thing.  Or was a thing.

 

I am not on board with the green and blue lips for a cocktail party (or whatever Sonja was trying to pass that off as). If any of these ladies could pull it off, it's Kristen, but yeah, unless you're on instagram selling lipstick, keep the ombre lips at home.

 

Back to the Carole/Nicole thing, I still think Carole should have been smarter about blabbing that on TV. The fact that she's so open about divulging everything about her 'relationship' with Adam makes me think the whole thing is for the cameras. But at the end of the day, Carole doesn't owe Nicole anything. Adam's a big boy, if he and Nicole are no longer an item (although the jury is still out on that one) he's free to do as he pleases.

 

Playing devil's advocate for a second, if the show were on the other foot and Nicole was dating Carole's ex, would it still be this big of a deal? Would LuAnn's niece be the big bad who stole the love of Carole's life?

 

Either way, I think the whole thing is a setup. I honestly prefer Ramona's poor excuse for flirting with the weirdo bar manager to another installment of the Carole/Adam/LuAnn/Nicole saga.

[HumblePi]

I don't give two fucks either but Carole grates....big time. I don't mind, in fact I like, young at heart but not on her, not the way she tries to pull it off. .It just feels pathetic and always has to me. She is not "cute" no way, no how.

Carol ....the teeth.......gotta go.... fix those

 

These women are all in a raging mid-life crisis. Lucky for them they're rich and can afford young men to hang onto them. If they were in any other situation or walk of life, a guy in his 20's wouldn't even give them a second look. So, congrats ladies, your money can buy you love.

Edited May 10, 2015 by HumblePi

[HumblePi]

Blue ombre!  I can provide a link to a tutorial if you'd like....

 

I'm a nurse and if I saw that walking into the emergency room, I'd run to get the portable oxygen tank fast.

[shoegal]

Carol ....the teeth.......gotta go.... fix those.

How exactly should she "fix" her teeth? Are they broken?

[HumblePi]

I did not watch Courtney Kerr's godawful show, but I've visited her blog* and sadly, Kristen talking about her blog just reminded me of this. Still, if it makes her feel happy, then that's a good thing. 

 

* I haven't thought to check out anything about Courtney in ages, but she does NOT look good as a blonde…and I'm surprised to see her taking such a heavy hand with her makeup.

Not that I noticed all that much, but could it have been those eyebrows?

How exactly should she "fix" her teeth? Are they broken?

They aren't broken, I think God gave her 64 of them

[shoegal]

Are we teeth shaming now?

[MatildaMoody]

Carol ....the teeth.......gotta go.... fix those

 

These women are all in a raging mid-life crisis. Lucky for them they're rich and can afford young men to hang onto them. If they were in any other situation or walk of life, a guy in his 20's wouldn't even give them a second look. So, congrats ladies, your money can buy you love.

Well, I am pretty sure that the guys that Sonja is parading in front of the camera are paid actors/escorts. I guess Adam was technically in his 20's at the time of filming, but since he was knocking on 30, I really don't see the age difference between he and Carol as all that big of a deal. If he were 22, I would seriously side eye someone Carol or even Brandi's age hitting on him. But, when he is an eyelash away from 30, I am not going to second guess his ability to choose someone he wants to spend time with.

[Celia Rubenstein]

I have to wonder, if Carole thinks it's fine to hook up with Adam,  then why she was so hesitant to tell Luann that they were an item?  

 

I don't think Carole was worried about the fact that Adam was some kind of employee.  I think she would laugh at the idea that mattered.  And I doubt if she was worried about Luann thinking she was robbing the cradle. Luann has dated younger men herself.  

 

That only leaves the situation with Nicole as being the reason Carole was hesitating to tell Luann.  

 

I think she knew what she was doing was not totally cool in that respect. 

 

 

 

 

[film noire]

Oh, so you're making it more specific to LuAnn and Carole because...?

 

Because I was responding to the example you used as a rebuttal  ("I'd be of the mind that having a five minute conversation with so-and-so and being in a picture with so-and-so doesn't constitute knowing the person.") which is nowhere near (imo) the same situation as that between Nicole and Carole.

 

It's a helluva lot harder to believe someone when they say they don't know X, when they have socialized with X, had photos taken of them cozy with X -- and not only know X's aunt, but X's aunt is also a friend,  a co-worker, and someone whose home they have spent a lot time hanging out in.  Add in Carole saying that Adam and Nicole are still friends, still hang out and are going on that trip to Nicaragua together -- yet somehow, despite all these connections, Carole just doesn't know this ghost of a girl -- it's just not credible to me. And it was a stupid lie for Carole to push. It's begging people to release photos of them socializing together (private photos, that is) because when you try to erase people like that, pretend you barely met them, those people get pissed and want to school you. Radziwill was dumb from jump -- she started down this road with an incredibly snotty and dismissive tweet  ( "Huh? I don't know her niece. Get facts straight.") and has been stuck with workin' that lie (or to be charitable, extreme exaggeration) ever since.

 

And unless Nicole is shutting this whole thing down  I'll be very surprised if Luann doesn't turn up online or on WWHL with "candid"  photos showing Carole, Luann and Nicole yukking it up at Luann's house in the summer, hanging out, jes' being "girls" together. 

Edited May 10, 2015 by film noire

[film noire]

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Edited May 10, 2015 by film noire

[film noire]

I think she knew what she was doing was not totally cool in that respect. 

 I agree. (And it could've been fixed fairly easily: "I've met Luann's charming niece several times, and I really hope this fussing is about Luann fixating on the help -- as if this were 'Downton Housewives' and I'm rudely macking on Carson the butler--  and not her niece being genuinely upset."  HOW FUCKING HARD IS THAT?  But her ego got in the way & she pissed all over the idea of caring,  even for a second, about the feelings of another human being. True colors.)

Edited May 10, 2015 by film noire

[MatildaMoody]

I have to wonder, if Carole thinks it's fine to hook up with Adam,  then why she was so hesitant to tell Luann that they were an item?  

 

I don't think Carole was worried about the fact that Adam was some kind of employee.  I think she would laugh at the idea that mattered.  And I doubt if she was worried about Luann thinking she was robbing the cradle. Luann has dated younger men herself.  

 

That only leaves the situation with Nicole as being the reason Carole was hesitating to tell Luann.  

 

I think she knew what she was doing was not totally cool in that respect. 

 

To be fair, and this is my understanding of the situation, Carol had only been on a couple of dates with the guy. At that point they only just liked each other and were seeing what happened. I don't know many adults who declare themselves to be an item after what amounts to about a week or two of dating. Plus, I never got the impression that Luann and Carol were close the way Carol and Heather are close. Hell, even after they called a truce and began being friendly, Carol was still closer to people like Kristen than she was to Luann.

 

Telling Luann that she had gone out with Adam would seem much more weird to me than her waiting until they had a few dates in and were actually starting something. 

 

I know that for the sake of Reality TV Carol probably should have said something to Luann off camera first - of course, it is possible that she did when you consider how they were fine and hanging out during filming and after. I don't know, I am starting to believe that Luann started this feud after the season aired for relevance and standing. Mainly, because her reaction goes completely against her sunglasses wearing "be cool, don't be like uncool" admonition in the trailer. Also, the timing of Luann making a stink over this just screams "Reality Show Beef" to me.

[The Mighty Peanut]

If Luann is also jilted by Adam and her hands are rocking the cradle of love with Carole and Nicole's...I'd be tempted to think I died and am in gossip heaven. In fact I'm going to open my front door and if there's a She by Sheree runway show with sketches I'll know for sure.

Edited May 10, 2015 by The Mighty Peanut

[Beden]

My own grand mother was 17 years older than her second husband after being widowed and they lived happily ever after until her death after over 20 years of marriage. My deeply beloved step-grandfather was the funeral director of husband #1's funeral (you can't make this stuff up) and damn--the good ladies of the DAR are still chewing that one over!

 

So, in my experience, age, assuming we're talking above the legal restrictions, means dick.

 

Of course, we're also talking about a scripted reality show here.

Edited May 10, 2015 by Beden

[zoeysmom]

What I don't understand is why Carole can't recognize that dating the help (not a view I hold) so to speak changes the dynamic within the group.  It may not be something she agrees with but I she should acknowledge that the circumstances are uncomfortable to LuAnn.  She had the same issue on the girls' trip when she had her boyfriend come along and invited Reid to accompany Aviva. I guess she was trying to be a good hostess then she, Aviva and the men sat around cracking wise about the other women. The dynamic changes when there are exceptions made and a storyline that has been played out over and over on this franchise.  I do think it is an agree to disagree thing between the two of them but these to have taken it to another level with the tweets and Carole revealing LuAnn sleeps with married men.  I am a little tired of the cougar storyline but I guess Andy Cohen thinks the whole world is or wants to sleep with twenty-somethings.

[jaync]

 I'm of the opinion that meeting someone (or being in a picture with them) doesn't necessarily mean that you know them in any meaningful way; it can mean you were at the same social event and someone came by and snapped a picture.

Not to mention, maybe Carole just simply doesn't like the girl, for whatever reason.

 

It would be funny if the niece is actually a major asshole, and not a freshly wounded, innocent lamb who needs others to fight some perceived grievance on her part.

 

I think she knew what she was doing was not totally cool in that respect. 

Maybe Carole knew LuAnn might not be cool with her hooking up with Adam, but that doesn't necessarily mean Carole actually was/thought she was in the wrong herself.

 

I don't know, I am starting to believe that Luann started this feud after the season aired for relevance and standing.

Either that, or maybe she's going through the change. (Not a jab in the least, as we females are all going to get there.) LuAnn was also acting like a frantic mess when Heather was on WWHL, before all this Carole/Adam shit.

[racked]

Are we teeth shaming now?

Lord I am! Chick can't get her lip up over her teeth, it doesn't help with the crypt keeper look.

[Higgins]

I'm a nurse and if I saw that walking into the emergency room, I'd run to get the portable oxygen tank fast.

Cyanosis!

[Cheetosandchoc]

I'm not depending on Luann's word, I'm looking at Carole's word and finding it dubious at best. Carole's been claiming she hardly knew Nicole Nadeau, barely met her,  etc -- when actually, there are pics now popping up online of Lu, Nicole and Carole hanging out together   -- one of those photographs being of Nicole Nadeau's art opening -- so Carole pretending to have only met the young woman three times in four years is a lie that's biting her in the ass.  And (Adam aside)  if someone came to my art opening, took a cozy photo with me and then pretended to barely know me -- while airily informing the world they didn't give a fuck what I thought or felt --  that alone would render them pretty fucking awful, in my books.  

 

       At the end of the day Lu is taking her niece's side. It's her Niece, she has that right even if it seems irrational. I am not going to fault someone for defending a family member. If she didn't say anything or was like "eh, whatever." that would be crappy of Lu. Lu is allowed to show loyalty to her IMO.

[Celia Rubenstein]

To be fair, and this is my understanding of the situation, Carol had only been on a couple of dates with the guy. At that point they only just liked each other and were seeing what happened. I don't know many adults who declare themselves to be an item after what amounts to about a week or two of dating. Plus, I never got the impression that Luann and Carol were close the way Carol and Heather are close. Hell, even after they called a truce and began being friendly, Carol was still closer to people like Kristen than she was to Luann.

 

Telling Luann that she had gone out with Adam would seem much more weird to me than her waiting until they had a few dates in and were actually starting something. 

 

That actually only reinforces my opinion - even though Carole and Adam had only been together a short while and probably weren't all that serious, Carole felt she had to tell Luann anyway, and she was apprehensive to do so  Why? 

 

And if Carole and Luann weren't even that close, same question: why was Carole apprehensive about informing Luann?

 

It seems to me that if Carole and Adam were not that serious and Carole and Luann not that close, Carole would not have any reason to even tell even be telling Luann, much less be concerned about her reaction.  Yet she acknowledged that she needed to tell Luann sooner than later, and she seemed a little worried about doing it. I have to wonder why.

 

I erased the show already so I can't go back and re-listed to Carole's conversation with Heather about telling Luann.  The only specific thing I remember Heather saying about Lu was to describe the fact that there was some issue as "a bump in the road." Again minimizing the importance of how other people feel and react to her actions.  

 

Well let me tell you something, Carole! Luann des Lessepps is nobody's "bumb" you little ..... LOL.  Hey, maybe that is why Luann is so pissed off ...  Carole referred to her as a bumb and now Lu's hot as fish grease!

Edited May 10, 2015 by Celia Rubenstein

[shoegal]

At the end of the day Lu is taking her niece's side. It's her Niece, she has that right even if it seems irrational. I am not going to fault someone for defending a family member. If she didn't say anything or was like "eh, whatever." that would be crappy of Lu. Lu is allowed to show loyalty to her IMO.

I totally get that LuAnn loves her niece and doesn't want to see her hurt, I just have to say though that taking her nieces side against Carole isn't a good look IMO. Jealous ex lover doesn't look good on anyone, not even when you are doing it out of family loyalty.

Attacking Carole for dating Adam just makes LuAnn- and her niece-look like jealous bitches IMO. Carole is not the reason that Nicole and Adam are no longer together. I think LuAnn would better serve her niece by helping her to understand that when a man really wants to be with you, he will, and when he doesn't, it's not worth your time. Grow up, move on and find someone who does want to be with you.

That actually only reinforces my opinion - even though Carole and Adam had only been together a short while and probably weren't all that serious, Carole felt she had to tell Luann anyway, and she was apprehensive to do so Why?

And if Carole and Luann weren't even that close, same question: why was Carole apprehensive about informing Luann?

It seems to me that if Carole and Adam were not that serious and Carole and Luann not that close, Carole would not have any reason to even tell even be telling Luann, much less be concerned about her reaction. Yet she acknowledged that she needed to tell Luann sooner than later, and she seemed a little worried about doing it. I have to wonder why.

I erased the show already so I can't go back and re-listed to Carole's conversation with Heather about telling Luann. The only specific thing I remember Heather saying about Lu was to describe the fact that there was some issue as "a bump in the road." Again minimizing the importance of how other people feel and react to her actions.

Well let me tell you something, Carole! Luann des Lessepps is nobody's "bumb" you little ..... LOL. Hey, maybe that is why Luann is so pissed off ... Carole referred to her as a bumb and now Lu's hot as fish grease!

Perhaps she was hesitant to tell LuAnn because she wanted to protect her developing relationship and thought LuAnn might turn catty bitch and try to sabatoge. I think maybe that instinct was right. Edited May 10, 2015 by shoegal

[Celia Rubenstein]

Perhaps she was hesitant to tell LuAnn because she wanted to protect her developing relationship and thought LuAnn might turn catty bitch and try to sabatoge. I think maybe that instinct was right.

 

If Carole cared about building a relationship with Luann, she ought not have started dating her niece's ex despite concerns about it causing a problem between them.  

[shoegal]

If Carole cared about building a relationship with Luann, she ought not have started dating her niece's ex despite concerns about it causing a problem between them.

If LuAnn cared about her supposed friend Carole, she would be happy that her friend found someone who made her happy.