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This thread deals with various aspects of the DC Extended Universe, comparing the movies and their interconnectedness. You can discuss casting, production, and comparisons between the franchises. Please remember to also use or create specific movie topics (spoilers allowed) from this universe. Thanks!

NOTE: It has since been established that the name "DC Extended Universe" was never an official name for the project at all, but was made up by an EW writer.  However, since Warner Bros. marketing has never actually given their shared universe a name, "DCEU" will suffice for those films.  🙂

  • "Man of Steel," directed by Zack Snyder, starring Henry Cavill and Amy Adams (06/14/13)
  • "Batman v Superman: Dawn of Justice," directed by Zack Snyder, starring Ben Affleck, Henry Cavill and Amy Adams (03/25/16)
  • "Suicide Squad," directed by David Ayer, starring Will Smith and Margot Robbie (08/05/16)
  • "Wonder Woman," starring Gal Gadot, directed by Patty Jenkins (06/02/17)
  • "Justice League," directed by Zack Snyder, starring Ben Affleck, Henry Cavill, Amy Adams and Gal Gadot (11/17/17)
  • "Aquaman," directed by James Wan, starring Jason Momoa and Amber Heard (12/21/18)
  • "Shazam!", directed by David F. Sandberg, starring Asher Angel, Zachary Levi and Mark Strong (04/05/19)
  • Unnamed DC movie This is now the date for Shaft (06/14/19, originally date for "JL2").
  • Unnamed DC movie 2 (11/01/2019) ; this was the original date for Wonder Woman 1984.
  • "Birds of Prey (and the Fantabulous Emancipation of one Harley Quinn)", directed by Cathy Yan and starring Margot Robbie and Ewan McGregor (02/07/2020) (Was Unnamed DC movie 3 originally scheduled for 2/14/2020)
  • Unnamed DC movie 4 (04/03/20, originally date for "Cyborg")
  • "Wonder Woman 1984," directed by Patty Jenkins, starring Gal Gadot and Kristen Wiig. (06/05/2020) (Original date for "Green Lantern Corps")
  • "The Suicide Squad," written and likely directed by James Gunn (08/06/2021)
  • "Aquaman 2" (12/16/2022)

Films below this point marked with an asterisk may not be in continuity with the original DCEU

  • "The Batman,"* directed by Matt Reeves, NOT starring Ben Affleck (06/25/2021)

 

DC Black Label / Elseworlds (not part of DCEU continuity):

  • "Joker," directed by Todd Phillips, starring Joaquin Phoenix with Robert DeNiro (10/4/2019)

 

Animated:

 

Publicly discussed with no date attached; those in bold were in the list mentioned at 2017 San Diego Comic-Con; no updates at 2018 SDCC :

  • "The Flash: Flashpoint," starring Ezra Miller (Now likely "The Flash," to be directed by John Francis Daly and Jonathan Goldstein)
  • "Green Lantern Corps," being written by Geoff Johns. Originally thought to be 6/5/2020.
  • Justice League Sequel, directed by Zack Snyder (originally thought to be 06/14/19, not mentioned in 2017 SDCC list)
  • "Cyborg," starring Ray Fisher (originally thought to be 04/03/20, not mentioned in 2017 SDCC list)
  • "Gotham City Sirens," possibly directed by David Ayer, possibly Part 2 of a 3-part Harley Quinn trilogy
  • "Supergirl," possibly intended for late 2021.
  • "Justice League Dark"
  • "Black Adam", starring The Rock
  • Untitled Shazam / Black Adam movie
  • "Nightwing," directed by Chris McKay
  • "Lobo," being written by Jason Fuchs
  • "Batgirl," directed by Joss Whedon currently being written by Christina Hodson
  • "Joker vs Harley Quinn," written and directed by Glenn Ficarra and John Requa, starring Jared Leto and Margot Robbie, probably cancelled
  • "New Gods," directed by Ava DuVernay, written by Kario Salem.
  • "Blackhawk," interest from Steven Spielberg
  • "Birds vs Sirens," the rumored third film of the Harley Quinn Trilogy
  • "The Trench," spinoff from Aquaman

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If this is true, I am less disappointed than I was when I first saw the news last night.

MacLaren and Warner Bros couldn't agree on anything - including what time period to set the movie. More than that, MacLaren had some very particular visions for the film, visions that maybe would have alienated fandom. Although perhaps Diana having a tiger sidekick/pet she could talk with would have appealed to people more than I expect.

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Well, Artemis did gift her with the eye of the hunter and unity with the beasts when she was born, but while a pet tiger would be awesome in general it really doesn't match any version of Wonder Woman I've seen.

 

Maybe MacLaren can make a movie about Siegfried & Roy as superheroes.

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Wonder Woman IS Jasmine in DC's Aladdin!

 

I'm all for pet tigers in fantasy worlds but... that's not what Diana's about!

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Patty Jenkins, actually.

 

And is a tiger really a dealbreaker? Who knows, it could have been for a couple of flashback scenes to Diana's youth.

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Patty Jenkins, actually.

Thanks; I was on my phone when I posted and have no idea where Murray came from.

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Forbes has a nice article discussing not only the BvS IMAX trailer preview last night, but also doing a compare-and-contrast between DC and Marvel and their respective approaches.  I personally agree with the way he lays it out.

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Quoting from "Mind Your Surroundings" in the Arrow forum:
 

THR posted an analysis of what's going on with the DC movies. It sounds like a hot mess:


Superman vs. Batman? DC's Real Battle Is How to Create Its Superhero Universe
http://thr.cm/SMrdrW

I disagree with the "hot mess" diagnosis.  First, because it's not actually a horse race with Marvel; it's two companies each trying to make what constitutes, to them, great movies.  Second, because I think DC's approach works better with its own slate of heroes that, as discussed in the Forbes article I linked to above, were not created in the same "one style, one Universe" manner that Marvel's were.  And third, because I think that the early Age of Ultron reviews are starting to say "haven't we seen this before?", and that James Spader's Ultron isn't nearly as cool in the film as he is in the first trailer, and that DC / WB are in good position to capitalize on audience exhaustion with the Marvel formula with superhero movies that try to offer something different, something more.  Are they having some rough patches getting started?  Sure, but I believe that's a consequence of trying to make something more than the cookie-cutter, same-plot-different-costume stuff Marvel has built their brand on.

 

Disclaimer: I'm going off of what I've read w/r/t Marvel's movies; I've never cared for their characters and haven't seen any of the films made featuring their characters in the last 15 years.

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Maybe this is a stupid question because I don't follow the industry news closely, but was WB/DC planning to do a Justice League film before the massive success of the first Avengers film? Because it's hard for me to believe the timing wasn't related.

 

I've often thought there would be diminishing returns on Marvel films, if not the superhero genre.  The market feels saturated, and bombast fatigue might be setting in for moviegoers.  If WB/DC is trying to go in a different direction, perhaps they should have waited a bit.  I think the genre will always have a place in the industry, but would letting it breathe while you figure out the creative direction you want to take the characters have been a bad thing?  I mean, Batman and Superman are iconic in the United States.  It's not like the average American will forget who they are.

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Call me a conspiracy theorist or what have you (And I'm a DC fan as well as a Marvel one), but I totally believe DC is playing catch up and trying to beat Marvel, which, they just won't accomplish.

 

Because Marvel took the time to make the individual movies of each of the main heroes before we got the first Avengers.

 

DC totally failed with setting that up and successfully launching individual films, except for Batman.  And now, instead of the sequel to Man of Steel, we're getting a very rushed Justice League movie. In my opinion.

 

I see it this way--DC excelled (because I hate the stupid 52 crap, hence the past tense) in animation and straight to home dvds, and has had some success with small screen. I say some, because aside from The Flash, they pretty much tried to Batmanize Arrow.

 

But when it comes to the live action in the theatres? Marvel has totally beaten DC's ass.

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DC made an initial attempt at starting its Cinematic Universe with a Marvel flavor, Green Lantern, and it failed spectacularly.  Whether that's because of the Marvel humor not matching the DC characters (personally, I don't understand this compulsion to make Hal Jordan an ass) or because Parallax is an awful villain who should be banned permanently, let alone depicted as an amorphous cloud (amorphous cloud villains NEVER work!), I can't say.  But at any rate, GL blew up and so they went with the Nolan-Snyder vision instead.  I'm not going to fault them for not doing a "Superman-Batman-Wonder Woman-JLA" sequence because there is more than one way to tell these stories, and because I don't think BvS is going to be the mess that people make it out to be.

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Quoting from "Mind Your Surroundings" in the Arrow forum:

 

I disagree with the "hot mess" diagnosis.  First, because it's not actually a horse race with Marvel; it's two companies each trying to make what constitutes, to them, great movies.  Second, because I think DC's approach works better with its own slate of heroes that, as discussed in the Forbes article I linked to above, were not created in the same "one style, one Universe" manner that Marvel's were.  And third, because I think that the early Age of Ultron reviews are starting to say "haven't we seen this before?", and that James Spader's Ultron isn't nearly as cool in the film as he is in the first trailer, and that DC / WB are in good position to capitalize on audience exhaustion with the Marvel formula with superhero movies that try to offer something different, something more.  Are they having some rough patches getting started?  Sure, but I believe that's a consequence of trying to make something more than the cookie-cutter, same-plot-different-costume stuff Marvel has built their brand on.

 

Disclaimer: I'm going off of what I've read w/r/t Marvel's movies; I've never cared for their characters and haven't seen any of the films made featuring their characters in the last 15 years.

Given your disclaimer, I don't understand how you can make a comparison between the two.  And despite saying that it's not a competition, you appear to be saying that DC is better than Marvel.

 

I feel that Marvel has done an excellent job of making movies that are not cookie-cutter at all.  They've been straight-up superhero origin stories (Iron Man), a period piece (Captain America), Shakesperian fantasy (Thor), wacky space opera (Guardians), and spy thriller (Winter Soldier).  On the other hand, DC's heroes and locales are "different" but the latest movies seem to have one mindset and tone: go darker!  

 

I loved Batman Begins, learned to love the Dark Knight, tried unsuccessfully to really like TDKR, and really wanted to love Man of Steel but they're all so dark and depressing, it's exhausting.  The reason, IMO, that DC can't "compete" with Marvel  is that their movies are all lacking one thing: joy.  They're joyless exercises that are not fun to watch for the most part.  When DC heroes succeed, I feel grimly satisfied but know that any happiness in life is likely to be fleeting.  When Marvel heroes succeed, I feel gleeful and excited and happy to plunk my money down to watch it again.  The only thing I would change about Marvel's movies is I would tell Stan Lee that he can only make cameos for the post-credit stingers; otherwise, his appearances yank me out of the film each and every time, and I find that annoying.

 

My own disclaimer: I don't read the comics and am basing my opinions purely on the movies. 

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Yeah, the big problem I see with the DC movies is that the creation of the whole universe is rushed (having to push back the Superman vs Batman release date is really really telling) and may be built on a house of quicksand. Superman vs Batman really worries me because it's like DC looked at everything Man of Steel was criticized for, and then decided to double down on those elements instead of going away from them. The movie will make money because of the title, of course, but if people aren't liking the aesthetic, can DC really sell non-Big 3 movies with that aesthetic?

 

I've said before that I think DC would have been better served to do a true Man of Steel 2, fix the problems the first one had, and use the MoS2 movie to launch its universe like Marvel used Iron Man 2. They're rushing to try to catch up to Marvel but this is once instance where they'd be better served to be slow and steady, imo.

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Batman Begins is really the only one I can watch over and over again. I love a well done origin story. And I can even deal with Katie Holmes being in that (i tend to ignore her, it gets easier with each repeated viewing.) The Dark Knight I've seen a few times since the theater and as much as I enjoyed the Dark Knight Rises for the iconic moment of Bane breaking Bats' back and the presence of Joseph Gordon Levitt every time I see that it's on one of the movie channels I just get an overwhelming sense of ennui. Gotham is a miserable place, I know that going into it... but maybe that's a big part of the problem. I know going into it that it's only going to get marginally better... and not for very long.

 

I got bored with Man of Steel while I was watching it in the theater. The destruction porn at the end was tedious. I honestly felt like it lasted an hour and it made me really appreciate the way Marvel stages their action sequences. I actually thought it was an enjoyable movie up until the big big epic fight scenes that never ends and appeared to destroy the Eastern Seaboard. As for Batman vs Superman, I find that the only thing I'm interested in are Wonder Woman and Aquaman. I'm not even interested in the two title characters! That can't be good!

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One of the most important factors in superhero movies for me is a very very simple question: do I want to watch it again? Am I willing to pay for movie tickets more than once?

With every Marvel movie so far, the answer has been yes. Even the ones I didn't like, I ended up seeing it more than once at the movies. The ones I loved? Repeated goings. I saw Winter Soldier five times in theaters. Same with Iron Man 3. Age of Ultron has already opened where I live, and I've seen in twice this past week. I didn't even like it that much, but I went back a second time to make sure. And I'm probably seeing it again next weekend with a group of friends.

I've never watched any of the DC movies more than once in the theaters, because I left every one of them feeling gloomy, and exhausted. Just the thought of sitting through them again makes me tired.

And then there's my second issue: I feel completely excluded from DC's storytelling. I'm a woman, I'm older than the demo, superhero movies are very very VERY not made with me [my demo] in mind. But hey, I read comics. And I have a deep understanding of how the movie industry works, and how I'm NOT their audience, so I've learned to find the sweet spots in properties that I'm excluded from.

The DC/WB fare manages to shut me out of the emotional hooks time and time again. There's no character in any DC movie that I can point to and say, hey, that person speaks to me on a deeper level. No relationships that move me. I can point to a ton of those in the Marvel movies. Even dudebro characters in their dudebro relationships. But the ladies in the MCU? They bring me joy. Nat, Pepper, Maria, Peggy, Jane, Darcy, Sif? I love them truly.

DC so far has given me an okay Catwoman in a depressing movie about a dude with a broken back, and a subdued Lois Lane in a depressing movie that I wish I could erase from my mind. And male characters I never want to engage with EVER, because they should all be on Prozac before they go out again.

So, tl;dr: Marvel is fun and writes about 10% of its movies with my demo in mind, so it gets all my money. DC is depressing as fuck, and doesn't give my demo anything. None of my moneys for them.

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One of the most important factors in superhero movies for me is a very very simple question: do I want to watch it again? Am I willing to pay for movie tickets more than once?

With every Marvel movie so far, the answer has been yes. Even the ones I didn't like, I ended up seeing it more than once at the movies. The ones I loved? Repeated goings. I saw Winter Soldier five times in theaters. Same with Iron Man 3. Age of Ultron has already opened where I live, and I've seen in twice this past week. I didn't even like it that much, but I went back a second time to make sure. And I'm probably seeing it again next weekend with a group of friends.

I've never watched any of the DC movies more than once in the theaters, because I left every one of them feeling gloomy, and exhausted. Just the thought of sitting through them again makes me tired.

 

Well, we might be long-lost twins, dancingnancy, because I'm the exact same way.  I'm a non comic-book reading, almost 50 year old female.  I see the movies I like multiple times in the theatre (5 if I love it); I saw DKR once and any time I consider doing a mini marathon of the Batman movies, the fact that DKR is at the end makes me reluctant to even start.  The Marvel movies I didn't care for I'll go and see it at least once more, assuming that my dissatisfaction is due to unwarranted high expectations.  I was disappointed with Guardians but I still saw it 3 times in the theatre and now have a somewhat grudging affection for it.

 

A major difference to me is that Marvel has been so consistent that I'm willing to take a chance on an unknown character/story/director like Ant-Man whereas with DC, I'm just really hoping they don't screw up Superman by making him into an alien Batman.  It'd be nice to leave the theatre feeling happy and hopeful rather than needing a stiff drink.

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I have seen most of the Marvel films, and I'm rather meh about them.  Nevertheless, Marvel has taken the time to build their film universe.  I don't have a problem with a darker tone from DC, but as an outsider looking in, it really looks like they're flailing and scrambling to compete with Marvel vs truly cultivating their creative vision for their live-action films.  I believe there is space for a more sober perspective, as long as it's done well.  Guess we'll have to wait and see how it turns out. 

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Call me a conspiracy theorist or what have you (And I'm a DC fan as well as a Marvel one), but I totally believe DC is playing catch up and trying to beat Marvel, which, they just won't accomplish.

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But when it comes to the live action in the theatres? Marvel has totally beaten DC's ass.

 

Eh... Sometimes I wish that a third comic book/movie company/empire would arise, because I'm just about over these Marvel vs. DC debates. Is it really a race? With one prize? They're both corporations trying to make money. I just see the need to constantly compare the two. Or the great importance of a film "universe". (I know it's nice but, not absolutely necessary as some think.)

 

 

DC so far has given me an okay Catwoman in a depressing movie about a dude with a broken back,

 

Heh. I knew I wasn't going to see that one from the first trailer. (And that first impression has been repeatedly confirmed.) Maybe I'll watch it when someone comes up with a cut of only the Catwoman scenes. 

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Eh... Sometimes I wish that a third comic book/movie company/empire would arise, because I'm just about over these Marvel vs. DC debates. Is it really a race? With one prize? They're both corporations trying to make money. I just see the need to constantly compare the two. Or the great importance of a film "universe". (I know it's nice but, not absolutely necessary as some think.)

It's not a race to me, as I like both companies. But DC has made it a race. The fucking media has made it a race. Like I stated above, I've seen both movies, shows, and cartoons of Marvel and DC.  And my comment regarding how Marvel is kicking DC's ass in the live action movies was in response to MarkHB's comment before that.

 

As for Nolan's Batman trilogy--I will say that I LOVED Batman Begins AND The Dark Knight. I watched both in the theatres five times. As dark as they were, they had some levity, in scenes with Bruce and Alfred and Bruce and Lucius. But the last one was a terrible disappointment for me. And there just wasn't enough of Batman and I curse Nolan for keeping that horrid voice for Bane, who sounded like Connery underneath it. Bad enough I had to deal with the horrid Batman voice. I've said it before, they should have just dubbed in Kevin Conroy's voice for the Batman dialogue.

 

I mentioned this in the Unpopular thread, and I'll say it here--the casting for Superman v. Batman SUCKS. I may have gone to see it had they cast an unknown for Batman, or somehow convinced Bale to reprise his role. I can't stand Ben Affleck as an actor. And I get weary of the "give him a chance! Everyone gave a hue and cry when Ledger was cast as Joker and look how that turned out!" 

 

One: I was never one who questioned that choice, because I'd seen Ledger in several movies and thought the choice was interesting. Plus I liked him. Don't like Affleck; don't think he can act. And then there's the choice for Luthor. Don't get me started.  With those two, I have no plans or desire to watch this movie. I don't like the story, either. From what I've read. After that, I've stayed away from any and all articles about this movie.

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Yeah, the media drives a lot of the comparison, but DC has done it's fair share of pitting themselves against Marvel as well.  I know animation and live-action are very different, but DC was fantastic with their various animated series.  I don't know what happened to the creative team of that period, but it would have been nice if they tapped into some of that talent.   

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DC is competing with Marvel, it's obvious with them turning the Superman sequel into the beginnings of the Justice League movies. Shoving all those characters into one movie doesn't seem like a smart move. Am I going to see enough of the other characters to want to see their solo movies? If they didn't care, they would keep doing their own thing, instead of trying to make The Avengers, DC version without the solo character movie build up that the Avengers had. 

 

For me with Marvel movies I walk out of the theater with a smile on my face, with DC movies I'm just happy that's it's over. I don't even feel proud that the hero won. It's one thing to be dark and gritty but that doesn't mean suck all the fun and color out of the movie. DC movies need to learn some balance. 

 

That said I have no desire to see Dark v. Angst. 

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I've said it before, they should have just dubbed in Kevin Conroy's voice for the Batman dialogue.

Hell, I always wondered why he wasn't considered an option for the live action films when they were playing Musical Batmans. It's not as if Val Kilmer was the obvious choice for the role like Pierce Brosnan was for Bond back in the day.

 

I think Henry Cavill is the best Superman since Reeve's second outing in the role (though Dean Cain may edge him out as my favorite Clark Kent), and I love Amy Adams, the first cinematic Lois Lane that I've felt is actually smart enough to be a Pulitzer Prize-winning journalist. I'm worried that both of the are going to have brief cameos in what's turning out to be The Dark Knight Returns II: More Darkerer.

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DC is doing a lot of things that I like, particularly with trying to appeal beyond the 18-35 straight, white male demo. MCU may want to throw non-white males a token with secondary characters, but it seems clear to me from Feige's interviews that he not only has no interest in non-white male leads, he's only doing Black Panther and Captain Marvel as a response to criticism. I don't exactly trust the DCCU creative team to do right by their characters, but they are at least trying to create a diverse roster of leads from the start.

 

I also don't want to assume DC has learned nothing from the criticisms of Man of Steel. The DCCU is obviously shooting for a grittier tone than the MCU, but that doesn't mean they won't try to temper the angst with some light moments to provide balance.

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As for Nolan's Batman trilogy--I will say that I LOVED Batman Begins AND The Dark Knight. I watched both in the theatres five times. As dark as they were, they had some levity, in scenes with Bruce and Alfred and Bruce and Lucius. But the last one was a terrible disappointment for me. And there just wasn't enough of Batman and I curse Nolan for keeping that horrid voice for Bane, who sounded like Connery underneath it. Bad enough I had to deal with the horrid Batman voice. I've said it before, they should have just dubbed in Kevin Conroy's voice for the Batman dialogue.

I think I liked Batman Begins the best. I think it had the best balance when it came to dark broody doom and gloom and light-hearted moments. I know people tend to like The Dark Knight best, but I just don't (it's a good movie, It's just not my fave). Plus Batman Begins had liam neeson being his usual awesome self (I'm biased like that).

I feel like Batman's voice got progressively worse in the latter 2 films. By 'Rises' I pretty much couldn't understand Batman or Bane. i liked the inclusion of "Robin," which I wish they would have stuck with the name Dick, Richard, etc.. I thought 'Rises' tried to include too many new characters though (which a lot of movie sequels tend to suffer from). I liked the ending of 'Rises' even though I'm still confused at what point Batman turned on the auto pilot and jumped out of his fancy flying machine before the bomb exploded. Also the fight choreography didn't seem all to great.

Either way, I thought the Batman trilogy was pretty solid.

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Pet tiger? Seriously? *headdesk*

It sounds like this person was somehow doing some bizarre merging of Wonder Woman and Shazam (Captain Marvel had the Tiger sidekick).

 

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Two very odd characters to confuse (Marvel and WW).

Eh... Sometimes I wish that a third comic book/movie company/empire would arise, because I'm just about over these Marvel vs. DC debates.

There have been plenty of them, but they keep getting bought out by the big two.

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There is still Image Comics; did we forget Spawn?  And the Wiki entry for Dark Horse features a long list of films based on their comics.  But none of the other companies that put together a stable of heroes (Charlton, Archie's Red Circle, etc.) managed to last, and to some extent they did indeed get bought out as Kromm said.

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Sigh. If ONLY Bruce Timm would do his own version of the Batman v. Superman, I would SO watch it....Oh wait! Here's something a fan came up with. I'd SO watch THIS.

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DC is doing a lot of things that I like, particularly with trying to appeal beyond the 18-35 straight, white male demo. 

Funny.  I think the uber-violence of the Snyder movies is exactly buying into what they at least THINK the 18-35 straight, white male demo wants (even if they might be wrong).

 

Also, in other movies?  Well, I'm personally not complaining, but this certainly looks like 18-35 straight, white male demo baiting....

 

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Yeah, I have to admit... I saw the pictures of Harley and just went 'Fuuuuuuuuck.' High heeled sneakers? Bikini 'shorts'? Seriously, high heeled sneakers?! What the fucking fuck....

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Yep, that's another DC movie that won't get my money.

 

I think I'll just curl up with my Batman:Animated Series, Superman: Animated Series, Justice League, Justice League Unlimited this weekend. And the handful of straight to home DVD/Blu ray movies, thankyouverymuch.

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I can't complain too much given that Man of Steel had its major female characters modestly dressed or covered up in battle armor, whereas Clark had scenes with half his clothes burned off by the most flatteringly-lighted industrial fire in film history.

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Harley looks whacky, but so does everyone else in the pictures that have been released. The whole movie has a very over the top, surreal, crazy aesthetic to it. I do hope she gets more clothes at some point.

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I can't complain too much given that Man of Steel had its major female characters modestly dressed or covered up in battle armor, whereas Clark had scenes with half his clothes burned off by the most flatteringly-lighted industrial fire in film history.

 

Yes, it was lovely. Though I have to confess that my favorite Clark scenes were the ones with the Henley, jeans, and scruff.  I preferred that look over the clean-shaven Superman. 

 

I've never understood the appeal of Harley Quinn, especially as there are infinitely more interesting female villains or anti-heroes.  To each their own.  I expect Amanda Waller to barely be in the film, despite Viola's buzz. 

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Harley has been sexed up from the get-go, but I'll be pissed if that's what's she's wearing for most of the movie. Literally everyone else has pants (although it's hard to tell what Enchantress is wearing).

But I wasn't particularly interested in the Suicide Squad anyway.

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I actually love Harley's outfit. I wish the shorts were bigger, but I think the punky/Roller Derby vibe of her outfit is a nice middle ground between the classic Harley harlequin look and the stupid corset/Loli look she's often put in. I don't think the movie look reads as overly sexualized. I'm not sure what to make of the spike heel sneakers, though... that's so weird I'm wondering if it's something like those are dance sneakers (a real thing!) that she's in for height/filming reasons. I'm going to withhold judgement on those until I know how much the heels are visible on screen. 

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I don't think the movie look reads as overly sexualized.

 

Really? She's wearing glitter panties and fishnets with 5-inch stilettos. But I'm not even complaining about that (like I said, she's always been this way); but compared to the rest of the cast, one of these things is not like the others.

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IIRC, Enchantress in the comics has three states of being: June Moone by herself, June in "Enchantress" mode, and Enchantress separated from June.  I've seen theories that what we saw in the team pic was Enchantress-solo, who has a marked tendency to be unstable.  I'm interested in seeing what June wears.

 

Where Harley's concerned, compared to the rest of the planet, one of these things is not like the others.

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If this is ACTUALLY happening, this will be the casting to possibly finally turn me totally against the current DCCU.

 

Jaden Smith Is Static Shock According To "EVerybody Hates Chris" And "The Walking Dead" Star

 

Fuck you, Will and Jada Smith, buying your pretentious douchey kids every role possible.  Fuck you, WB for allowing it.  It's bad enough that Jada is in Gotham and Will now will be in Suicide Squad.  But the offspring?  NO.

 

This better be an unfounded rumor, or at worst a Trial Balloon (that they'll hear a roar of opposition to).

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This makes me very glad I never got into Static Shock; I'm sure I'd be up in arms if I gave a rat's ass about the character. As it is, I hope it's a series on the CW that will run for decades and safely contain Smith where I never have to see him in a  movie.

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I might feel differently if the Smith kids were a.) actually talented and b.) didn't continuously tweet or say douchey pretentious things. They're like walking, talking illustrations of what can go wrong with raising kids in Hollywood.


Well maybe not the worst. I guess being drunk and/or high is worse.  But pretentious is the second tier after that.

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Okay...so what have their kids done exactly other than exist? 

 

And as far as I've heard Jada is (or was) one of the better things about Gotham and Will Smith is...Will Smith! He's a great actor, full of genuine charisma, his last few movies haven't done well but he seems like a very nice guy.

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I might feel differently if the Smith kids were a.) actually talented and b.) didn't continuously tweet or say douchey pretentious things. They're like walking, talking illustrations of what can go wrong with raising kids in Hollywood.

Well maybe not the worst. I guess being drunk and/or high is worse.  But pretentious is the second tier after that.

 

I think having been raised Scientologists all their lives and being "taught" at Scieno school may contribute to their ... oddness.

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