S05.E14: Surprise!

[rho]

OK, I am just now watching this week's episode, so I haven't read through all 14 pages of comments so please excuse me if someone else has said this already but HOLY FUCK, PEOPLE... what have these women done to their faces??? Kyle looks like a completely different person in these scenes with Kim in the car. Brandi's Sober House friend appears to have had tangerines implanted in her face (with the color leaking through). I am honestly baffled as to how anyone can think this is attractive.

 

I think some of them have done a decent job. Both Lisa and Kyle are walking the line of enhanced natural. Plus, their makeup can make a huge difference. I don't think Yoyo has done much but her makeup ages her by a decade.

 

But Brandi and Sober Jen look like bad drag queens. I think it's a case of starting too early. They probably would look great for their age if they had done nothing but now they're 40 looking 70 instead of 40 looking 35. At a certain point, you're just never going to look 20 again.

 

A part of me can sympathize because you just never know how those fillers and implants will turn out. I've seen some that are very subtle and natural. But some of these women never seem to learn their lesson. If it looks bad, leave it alone, don't try to balance it out with even more filler. Brandi in particular is starting to look like a blowfish.

[Found A Peanut]

Call me crazy but Kyle's outfit at Lisa's party gave me a "forced to be here" vibe. Her outfit combined with her attitude, I guess. I mean, Kyle loves clothes and is competitive and a bit insecure, it was weird to see her seem to kind of slack off when compared to the other women. I don't think it was because it was Lisa's party and there's any lingering tension there. I got the same feeling from her at Eileen and VVP's script reading, especially the limo ride over with Kim, and there I thought she looked great. I was thinking that she just felt burned by everything that happened with Kim and Brandi, can't seem to win no matter what she says to her sister, knows that the footage already shot is a shitshow all around and thus guaranteed to air and, well, fuck me, you know?

Edited February 21, 2015 by Found A Peanut

[WireWrap]

I think some of them have done a decent job. Both Lisa and Kyle are walking the line of enhanced natural. Plus, their makeup can make a huge difference. I don't think Yoyo has done much but her makeup ages her by a decade.

 

But Brandi and Sober Jen look like bad drag queens. I think it's a case of starting too early. They probably would look great for their age if they had done nothing but now they're 40 looking 70 instead of 40 looking 35. At a certain point, you're just never going to look 20 again.

 

A part of me can sympathize because you just never know how those fillers and implants will turn out. I've seen some that are very subtle and natural. But some of these women never seem to learn their lesson. If it looks bad, leave it alone, don't try to balance it out with even more filler. Brandi in particular is starting to look like a blowfish.

I think both Brandi and Jen may have had good results the first time they got something done to their faces and then went overboard......BIG TIME! They both strike me as people who tend to over do everything!

[motorcitymom65]

Call me crazy but Kyle's outfit at Lisa's party gave me a "forced to be here" vibe. Her outfit combined with her attitude, I guess. I mean, Kyle loves clothes and is competitive and a bit insecure, it was weird to see her seem to kind of slack off when compared to the other women. I don't think it was because it was Lisa's party and there's any lingering tension there. I got the same feeling from her at Eileen and VVP's script reading, especially the limo ride over with Kim, and there I thought she looked great. I was thinking that she just felt burned by everything that happened with Kim and Brandi, can't seem to win no matter what she says to her sister, knows that the footage already shot is a shitshow all around and thus guaranteed to air and, well, fuck me, you know?

It was strange to be sure. My thinking is that it is something far less interesting. Like she got caught somewhere doing something else and time got away from her. I come to this conclusion because even as someone who likes Kyle, I can admit she would never miss an opportunity to be on camera at such an event, and she would sure as hell know how the others would be dressed.

[lulu]

Brandi proudly led the failed coup in Puerto Rico.  It really isn't about the lesser of two evils for Lisa-Kyle was kind to Brandi until Brandi unfairly went after her.  Too bad for Brandi she did it in front of Lisa.  Lisa and Kyle had a true friendship before the show began and long before Brandi hobbled into their lives.  In terms of this episode Lisa seems to be quite comfortable in her arm's length relationship with Brandi.

[Found A Peanut]

It was strange to be sure. My thinking is that it is something far less interesting. Like she got caught somewhere doing something else and time got away from her. I come to this conclusion because even as someone who likes Kyle, I can admit she would never miss an opportunity to be on camera at such an event, and she would sure as hell know how the others would be dressed.

Yeah, that's the thing, whatever I normally think of her fashion choices, she's always looked to me like a woman who loves to dress. Loves to shop, loves to find just the right accessories, loves to have someplace fancy to go and flash her new outfit - I think that's all just part of who she is. Good fashion or bad, there's just enthusiasm there. Getting caught without the time to dress for the event as she would normally is very plausible, but she seems subdued to me overall.

[lulu]

Brandi proudly led the failed coup in Puerto Rico.  It really isn't about the lesser of two evils for Lisa-Kyle was kind to Brandi until Brandi unfairly went after her.  Too bad for Brandi she did it in front of Lisa.  Lisa and Kyle had a true friendship before the show began and long before Brandi hobbled into their lives.  In terms of this episode Lisa seems to be quite comfortable in her arm's length relationship with Brandi.

Kyle was AWFUL to Brandi when Brandi first appeared on the show.  Mocking, laughing...I'm talking Season 2.  Look it, it's not that easy for me to defend Brandi, as some of her antics are unbelievable.  I don't remember her leading the failed coup in Puerto Rico.  I recall her being truly hurt and upset (and vocal about it to others) by Lisa's relationship with Sheana, and Kyle taking off with it.  Eating it up like she savors any and all gossip about anyone.  Lisa and Kyle didn't have any truer a friendship than Lisa and Brandi did eventually.  Which, I might add, started after Lisa realized how horrid Kyle and Kim were to Brandi at Dana's game night. I'm not letting Brandi off the hook completely.  I just don't believe her motivation is fueled by insidious reasons as Kyle's is.  I'm really surprised that Lisa doesn't make the same distinction.  Hey, I'm either completely off-base on this, or I'm watching another show.  I'm clearly in the minority with my take. How would any "best friend" feel when their bff is constantly putting them in the position of having to face the "other woman"?  And "being quite comfortable at arm's length", is putting it mildly.  (Lisa) isn't passing up any opportunity to belittle Brandi with her snide comments every chance she can. (And she's brilliant at that, part of her charm.)   I get it that Lisa is still hurt, but again; everyone else has seemed to get a hall pass with their bullying of Lisa.  If I still harbored that much venim, which Lisa obviously does for Brandi; I would just avoid her.  It's negative energy, and it can't feel good. For either party.  

[Higgins]

I am not keen on Kyle's fashion sense but she has to live with a 5'2' petite frame.  So far she hasn't looked good when she tries to cover it up, she doesn't look good in shorts, shocking the mother of four has some overage in the backstrap of her bikini, man hands, her crew neck sparkle top and black pants were a miss, her teal dress was a miss-is there anything that looks good on this clothing store owner?  Because I think she looked fine, she doesn't look as good as the models and tall girls, Yolanda, Brandi, Eileen  and Lisa R but I have to say if Kyle were at a party in my neck of the woods she would be envied.  I don't think it is necessary to bring up Lisav's cellulite that shows through when she wears white either.  Now if we are talking women who over inject their faces that is a horse of a different color-all voluntary unlike being 5'2" or 6'0" tall. 

I am shaped very much like Kyle but, she is a smaller frame than I am. I think dressing is about proportions and highlighting your best features. Kyle would look best in a fitted waist A-line dress or a slight fit and flare shape that flows from her waist gently and skims over her hips and elongates her lower half. Skirt-lines that skim slightly above or below her knee. She can't wear the same thing the super tall girls do and look good. She has a great figure she doesn't know how to dress it.

[BluishGreen]

Keep forgetting to add that the US spent $2B per year at one time (not sure if it's still true) in clearing vitamin capsules from sewage systems -- because they just go through the body and don't even get used. Found this.

 

Now, when I got vitamin recommendations from someone who knows what she's talking about, she stressed certain companies because their stuff was chelated (prepared to be better absorbed by the body) … given how serious Yo is about her regimen, I suspect she's looked into the brands thoroughly.  It would be such a shame if they're just passing through her system unused.

WOW.  And here I have been feeling so guilty for not taking the boatloads of vitamins everyone recommends...Thanks for the info!

[hottesthw]

Kyle was AWFUL to Brandi when Brandi first appeared on the show. Mocking, laughing...I'm talking Season 2. Look it, it's not that easy for me to defend Brandi, as some of her antics are unbelievable. I don't remember her leading the failed coup in Puerto Rico. I recall her being truly hurt and upset (and vocal about it to others) by Lisa's relationship with Sheana, and Kyle taking off with it. Eating it up like she savors any and all gossip about anyone. Lisa and Kyle didn't have any truer a friendship than Lisa and Brandi did eventually. Which, I might add, started after Lisa realized how horrid Kyle and Kim were to Brandi at Dana's game night. I'm not letting Brandi off the hook completely. I just don't believe her motivation is fueled by insidious reasons as Kyle's is. I'm really surprised that Lisa doesn't make the same distinction. Hey, I'm either completely off-base on this, or I'm watching another show. I'm clearly in the minority with my take. How would any "best friend" feel when their bff is constantly putting them in the position of having to face the "other woman"? And "being quite comfortable at arm's length", is putting it mildly. (Lisa) isn't passing up any opportunity to belittle Brandi with her snide comments every chance she can. (And she's brilliant at that, part of her charm.) I get it that Lisa is still hurt, but again; everyone else has seemed to get a hall pass with their bullying of Lisa. If I still harbored that much venim, which Lisa obviously does for Brandi; I would just avoid her. It's negative energy, and it can't feel good. For either party.

Brandi is a confirmed stalksr. There is no way she didn't know Scheana was a friend of Lisa V before the show. And she certainly didn't accidentally sign off to appear on Vanderpump Rules where Scheana just happened to work. It was all a storyline Brandi was more than happy to go along with.

The way I remember it was after the tampon photos came out Lisa realized a BFF like Brandi was bad for business and bad for her reputation around town. And pulled back. Brandi even says when she was "in trouble" aka embarrassing drunkenness, her friend abandoned her. Well who wouldn't? And i think whatever went down in PR was just icing on the cake.

After all of Brandi's stunts, I don't see the Pumps befriending her anytime soon. Brandi has noone to blame but herself. This is what no shame in her game got her.

[Higgins]

WOW.  And here I have been feeling so guilty for not taking the boatloads of vitamins everyone recommends...Thanks for the info!

Don't worry, the only vitamin that needs supplementation is D, for people who eat well. Magnesium is something some might need too. The others are just a huge waste of money.

Edited February 21, 2015 by Higgins

[BluishGreen]

Don't worry, the only vitamin that needs supplementation is D, for people who eat well. Magnesium is something some might need too. The others are just a huge waste of money.

 

Ok, got it. Thanks!

[zoeysmom]

Reunion finished about 15 minutes ago

Andy is spent

Most intense Reunion in 5 seasons

[AnnA]

I am shaped very much like Kyle but, she is a smaller frame than I am. I think dressing is about proportions and highlighting your best features. Kyle would look best in a fitted waist A-line dress or a slight fit and flare shape that flows from her waist gently and skims over her hips and elongates her lower half. Skirt-lines that skim slightly above or below her knee. She can't wear the same thing the super tall girls do and look good. She has a great figure she doesn't know how to dress it.

 

You're so right!

 

I'm only an inch taller than Kyle.  I'm not as thin as Kyle but I know what works for me and what doesn't.

 

This doesn't work:

 

Edited February 21, 2015 by AnnA

[zoeysmom]

Kyle tweeted from the Reunion-toughest yet

 

Yolanda is bedridden

[Found A Peanut]

Reunion finished about 15 minutes ago

Andy is spent

Most intense Reunion in 5 seasons

Is it futile to hope that Kyle is done trying to litigate her case with either Kim or Brandi? Maybe Kim and Brandi finally have the flameout everyone's been expecting and take each other down as the rest of the ladies sit back and nosh on kids' pancakes while tossing back some Vanderpump sangria. Davidson and Rinna for ringside commentary, please.

[Blister]

Lisa Vanderpump is one of my favorite housewives, however, I don't understand why she is so unwilling to forgive Brandi whilst she allows Kyle (the most two-faced, pot-stirring phoney of all the housewives, ever) back into her life with no consequences.  Brandi was the least "brutal" of all the conspirators on that awful trip to .... wherever they all were ganging up on Lisa V.  Brandi was legitamately hurt by Lisa shoving Sheana down her throat.  Period.  Brandi is honest to a fault.  She's brash and tempermental.  She's inappropriate.  However, everyone seems to forget when she first arrived "on the scene" how "principled Kyle" was mocking her high heels on crutches, followed by the despicable mean-girl antics with stoned Kim about not "wanting Brandi on her team...."  And do we recall how Kyle always talked shit about Lisa V. (and everyone else?)  How about how she tormented Camille Grammer the first season?  Kim may get on most viewers' nerves, however, I disagree.  She's sweet, and she's absolutely right in feeling that Kyle exploits her weaknesses to make herself look good and righteous.  Kyle is so UNcool, it's cringe-worthy.  I know plenty of gay men, and none would lower themselves by attending a party with such a crude label.  There's a reason why Yolanda (annoying with all her "loves", for sure, but arguably the most genuine and least petty of all on the show, is so close with Brandi.  Yea, yea, yea; Eileen and Lisa R. are great.  But I am always suspicious of anyone not suspicious of phoney-ass, trouble-making, social-climbing, Kyle.  Oh, and one last thing.  Have any of these women learned not to use their swizzle sticks as straws?  For crissakes, they might as well slurp their coffee!

Love this.  I agree!  Why anyone has any time to spend on Kyle if they've seen the show at all is beyond me.  I don't like how the new women sometimes pretend they never saw the show.  We hear it's so popular in Hollywood, all those guests on WWHL (a lot of them, anyway) say they watch it -- so someone like Eileen comes on the show and is so clueless? That's just stupid.  But to come on the show and support Kyle when you must have watched all the shit she's pulled over and over in the past seasons?  I just do not get it.  She's awful.

 

Ha ha … a friend had lunch at Villa Blanca a couple of years ago and Kyle was there with some friends.  My friend watches the show, loves LisaV, so she recognized Kyle.  My friend went to the restroom at one point and was primping in front of the mirror before leaving when Kyle came in.  She says Kyle looked at her with a look that suggested "you know me, right? you want to compliment me or get my autograph?" … my friend didn't acknowledge the look and left quickly.  

 

I'm such a celebrity fan, so giddy, but have to admit -- I'd walk out, too.  There's something about her that feels deep down rotten to me.  As I've stated, I think she needs serious therapy, but even with that, she's just got ethics I question.

[zoeysmom]

Love this.  I agree!  Why anyone has any time to spend on Kyle if they've seen the show at all is beyond me.  I don't like how the new women sometimes pretend they never saw the show.  We hear it's so popular in Hollywood, all those guests on WWHL (a lot of them, anyway) say they watch it -- so someone like Eileen comes on the show and is so clueless? That's just stupid.  But to come on the show and support Kyle when you must have watched all the shit she's pulled over and over in the past seasons?  I just do not get it.  She's awful.

 

Ha ha … a friend had lunch at Villa Blanca a couple of years ago and Kyle was there with some friends.  My friend watches the show, loves LisaV, so she recognized Kyle.  My friend went to the restroom at one point and was primping in front of the mirror before leaving when Kyle came in.  She says Kyle looked at her with a look that suggested "you know me, right? you want to compliment me or get my autograph?" … my friend didn't acknowledge the look and left quickly.  

 

I'm such a celebrity fan, so giddy, but have to admit -- I'd walk out, too.  There's something about her that feels deep down rotten to me.  As I've stated, I think she needs serious therapy, but even with that, she's just got ethics I question.

No offense but I think your friend sounds a tad off.  If she reads that into a restroom sighting perhaps she needs to get some therapy herself.

 

Eileen worked with Kyle and Lisar has been friends with her for years.  Maybe they don't see the same things in Kyle you see from watching the TV show.  These ladies, except Brandi and Kim, seem to get on quite well together.  It is usually Brandi or Kim screaming fake or foul when they see the others getting on.  Watching Kim's sign off from last year's show she just loved everybody and hoped to get back on track with Lisa. 

 

It seems right about now they all want a break from the contrived Brandi and Kim drama.  All of the arguments this year have involved Brandi or her aftermath.  How is that Kyle's fault?

[Found A Peanut]

An extended preview of the women's arrival in Amsterdam and Kyle's delayed luggage. Interesting to see Kim's immediate defensive reaction to Kyle's luggage being late and comparing it to her intoxicated late-arrival shenanigans:

http://www.bravotv.com/the-real-housewives-of-beverly-hills/season-5/episode-515/videos?clip=2848204

The trigger for that fight, so far as I can decipher - discussion of the luggage pile-up at the top of the escalator. I hear Brandi talking about Kim getting stuck at the top of the escalator, and then Kim immediately freaks, blames Kyle, accuses Kyle of blaming her, and hauls out the grudge bag for extra goodies.

It was not unlike what happened when Brandi brought up the 2am phone call, Kyle tried to draw Kim's attention to it, and then Kim blamed Kyle. Only, this time, I don't even think Kyle was part of the conversation that set Kim off. Fascinating dynamic. And by fascinating, I mean terrifying. Kim needs to go somewhere with that defensive anger, can't seem to take it to the actual source who is also her preferred emotional support, so finds a safer target. Hi, Kyle!

Edited February 21, 2015 by Found A Peanut

[Persnickety1]

The trigger for that fight, so far as I can decipher - discussion of the luggage pile-up at the top of the escalator. I hear Brandi talking about Kim getting stuck at the top of the escalator, and then Kim immediately freaks, blames Kyle, accuses Kyle of blaming her, and hauls out the grudge bag for extra goodies.

It was not unlike what happened when Brandi brought up the 2am phone call, Kyle tried to draw Kim's attention to it, and then Kim blamed Kyle. Only, this time, I don't even think Kyle was part of the conversation that set Kim off. Fascinating dynamic. And by fascinating, I mean terrifying. Kim needs to go somewhere with that defensive anger, can't seem to take it to the actual source who is also her preferred emotional support, so finds a safer target. Hi, Kyle!

 

And of course even in Amsterdam Brandi is in her full "MOTHERFUCKER" glory!  

 

And I used to wonder why we were collectively referred to as "ugly Americans."

 

Too bad her screeching outburst didn't call the attention of airport security and she was denied entry into the country.

 

I know, I know, but I can dream.  

[Found A Peanut]

And of course even in Amsterdam Brandi is in her full "MOTHERFUCKER" glory!  

 

And I used to wonder why we were collectively referred to as "ugly Americans."

 

Too bad her screeching outburst didn't call the attention of airport security and she was denied entry into the country.

 

I know, I know, but I can dream.

Swearing doesn't faze me normally, to be honest, but even I was feeling some second-hand embarrassment over all that cursing in public and carrying on. Not. Helpful. And speaking of not helpful, Brandi curses her way past her best buddy and doesn't even try to help her? That was cold. And along comes Yolanda all kindly and joking to defuse the tension. Poor Yo.

[Persnickety1]

Swearing doesn't faze me normally, to be honest, but even I was feeling some second-hand embarrassment over all that cursing in public and carrying on. Not. Helpful. And speaking of not helpful, Brandi curses her way past her best buddy and doesn't even try to help her? That was cold. And along comes Yolanda all kindly and joking to defuse the tension. Poor Yo.

 

Oh, trust me when I say I swear like that proverbial drunken sailor.

 

But there's a time and a place.  I know when to refrain, something Brandi is acutely unaware of, along with most usual social graces.  

 

It looks like from the previews the argument between Kim and Lisa R happens on the plane over to Amsterdam.  I can't wait to see what else unfolds during that leg of their journey.  

 

That's at least a 12-hour flight, I believe.  That's a lot of potential cat fighting up in those "friendly" skies.  

[zoeysmom]

Oh, trust me when I say I swear like that proverbial drunken sailor.

 

But there's a time and a place.  I know when to refrain, something Brandi is acutely unaware of, along with most usual social graces.  

 

It looks like from the previews the argument between Kim and Lisa R happens on the plane over to Amsterdam.  I can't wait to see what else unfolds during that leg of their journey.  

 

That's at least a 12-hour flight, I believe.  That's a lot of potential cat fighting up in those "friendly" skies.  

I have a feeling the private plane is the trip to Calgary- I bet they flew commercial to Amsterdam.

[panthergirl13]

 

But Brandi and Sober Jen look like bad drag queens. I think it's a case of starting too early. They probably would look great for their age if they had done nothing but now they're 40 looking 70 instead of 40 looking 35. At a certain point, you're just never going to look 20 again.

 

A part of me can sympathize because you just never know how those fillers and implants will turn out. I've seen some that are very subtle and natural. But some of these women never seem to learn their lesson. If it looks bad, leave it alone, don't try to balance it out with even more filler. Brandi in particular is starting to look like a blowfish.

I kept trying to think of who they end up looking like, and it's Madame (of "Wayland and...").

Edited February 21, 2015 by panthergirl13

[talula]

Oh, trust me when I say I swear like that proverbial drunken sailor.

 

But there's a time and a place.  I know when to refrain, something Brandi is acutely unaware of, along with most usual social graces.  

 

It looks like from the previews the argument between Kim and Lisa R happens on the plane over to Amsterdam.  I can't wait to see what else unfolds during that leg of their journey.  

 

That's at least a 12-hour flight, I believe.  That's a lot of potential cat fighting up in those "friendly" skies.

Kim sure bit off LisaR's head in that little plane...the TH Kyle warned of things not going well if someone spoke to her sister about her sobriety. That's most likely why folks walk on egg shells around Kim and this issue. Now LisaR knows, and she says she won't do it again...her probing is over. Whatever Kim does, or doesn't do will continue.

[imjagain]

With Brandi and Kim on board that flight, the episode should have been titled "Snakes on a Plane."

Yeah, I know, I'm showing myself out now....

Fuck those mother fuckin snakes, on that mother fuckin plane!

Lol, sorry I just watched Samuel L Jackson on WWHL.

Haha walnutqueen I should read all the posts before I post.

I promise I wasn't coping you lol.

Edited February 21, 2015 by imjagain

[Persnickety1]

Fuck those mother fuckin snakes, on that mother fuckin plane!

Lol, sorry I just watched Samuel L Jackson on WWHL.

Haha walnutqueen I should read all the posts before I post.

I promise I wasn't coping you lol.

 

Oh, we get MOTHERFUCKER in absolute spades when they arrive in Amsterdam, imjagain!

 

That's our girl Brandi, crass, vulgar and inappropriate no matter which country's borders surround her.

 

I wonder if she managed to roofie herself on the plane.

 

(BTW - Great "spoiler" info about the reunion in another thread if you're interested!)

[WireWrap]

Well this season does reinforce my personal belief that in the fullness of time all secrets are eventually revealed. I do wonder how the housewives thought the show was being edited because pre season they were all saying it's back to being fun , like season one. Apart from Kim being ....well whatever Kim is being , I don't think its at all like season one. I will say I did enjoy the banter here and getting to know my fellow posters better. So many of us have suffered with and by addiction and the scars show.

I think it is more like season 1 than the past 3 seasons have been. We have gotten to see more of the HW's lives outside the planned/staged events/gatherings/trips and more time with their families or for Brandi, her podcast.

[jimene79]

Maybe this episode Yolanda was more authentic but I think she's been pretty scheming.  She clearly wanted to take down Lisa and her behavior towards Lisa and Ken was pretty appalling in my opinion.  Even this season she's been pretty obsessed with Lisa and the Pump opening/Palm Spring thing.

[MatildaMoody]

Yeah, none of those stories are "Housewife Show" material. 

 

They were all solo-gigs, and it's the interaction between the "wives" that brings in the viewers.  I'm kind of shocked they even made the cut. 

I think that the bold part of your statement is the producers' mindset. That's why they work so hard to stage such fake events and confrontations. But as a viewer, I watch for moments like we got in those first episodes. It took me back to earlier seasons of the prior Housewives Shows like OC and New York. The focus wasn't on group interactions as much as it was on seeing these women's lives. For me that was where the humor and fun of the shows came from. 

[zoeysmom]

Sincerely Yours and Umbelina: 

 

Laws governing child actors have been in place since 1939 and 15% of the child's earnings are put into a Coogan Account, until the child reached 18 years of age.

 

It is interesting that the issue keeps coming up here but not something we have heard from sober Kim. By statute a parent has to be on the set and have the child within both audio and visual range at all times (excepting the time is attending tutoring or school the first three hours of their workday) that so called stage mom is deprived of an ability to earn.  From the child's wages are managerial fees 10%, agent fees 10% and income taxes.  That is why the parents are allowed to use the remaining money towards the family as they are essentially working for their own child.  As much as Kim would like to think she made seven figures a year (House of Hilton has no source for the assertion).  Kim was enrolled in a very nice private school and when not filming is required to attend school.  Child actors do not work anymore than the average child attends school.  What they do get is an opportunity to put aside a statutory savings account. 

 

Kim and Kyle were both child actors and both "contributed" to the family.  I am not certain where in this episode there is any indication that Kim is angry at Kyle for having to support her.  Kyle as an infant, then little kid would have zero say in how her folks spent Kim's money.   I keep reading that Kyle needs to thank Kim for supporting the family and I really don't see where that does Kim a lick of good.  Does that mean Kim will then thank Kyle and Mauricio for helping her as an adult?

 

What this episode is showing is Kim is unwilling to listen to her co-workers concern or even apology for behavior that happened recently.  If Kim wants an apology for Kyle for what she said to she and Brandi at the Gay Mixer then she better get started on making her own amends.  The easy amends to make are to the ones you hardly know.  The Eileens and Lisas are easy ones-no history a bad night move on.  This nonsense of avoiding the issues with her sister until the cameras are there do not bode well for Kim.  She may think it works when she has Brandi at her side but even her ride or die friend can't handle the pressure and turns to her friendly professional.  The fact Brandi never takes her advice is secondary to this episode.

 

How many people know siblings that are in counseling for sibling jealousies (that neither admit to) when they are in their late forties and fifties?  Are we now going to request BF Brandi attend the sessions so her assumptions can be confirmed or denied?  Kyle has moved passed her childhood acting days and no where is there any indication she suffered all these rejections and is now compensating for it or was ever competing with Kim

 

What this episode indicates to me and some lost footage is there is a very disruptive influence (Brandi) in Kim's life feeding her insecurities and placing the blame on Kyle for her own purposes.  The unseen footage of Brandi going after Kyle-at some point a sister says ENOUGH.  Brandi's issue is she doesn't want Kyle to show concern in front of the camera or have fun with Kim because it defeats Brandi's goal of trying to make Kyle a bad person.  For Kim to not be able to see that her words and deeds have placed her in the middle of the Kyle/Brandi debate.  Brandi needs to be the one asking herself why is she so invested in these sisters' lives?  It isn't out of concern, Brandi is angry that once again Kyle and Lisav are friends and she is unable to break it.   I feel for Kim because she is collateral damage.  Her family must be embarrassed for her they way she excuses Brandi's bad behavior.

[AnnA]

If Big Kathy used Kim's money then it is a sure bet that she used Kyle's as well.

I agree. If that's true and I suspect it is, as children they probably felt "important." Having that history could explain why they both have such an "It's all about me" attitude. Kim is a train wreck and Kyle seems to embrace the martyr role.

[AnnA]

Laws governing child actors have been in place since 1939 and 15% of the child's earnings are put into a Coogan Account, until the child reached 18 years of age.....

 

... Her family must be embarrassed for her they way she excuses Brandi's bad behavior.

 

Thank you for posting the Coogan Act specifics.  I knew there was a law protecting child actors but didn't realize that only 15% of their earnings were put aside.  IMHO that's not enough and less than the percentage we would leave as a tip in a restaurant.

 

Kim's family has to be embarrassed about Kim's behavior.  Excusing Brandi's unacceptable actions isn't and shouldn't be their first concern.

[zoeysmom]

Thank you for posting the Coogan Act specifics.  I knew there was a law protecting child actors but didn't realize that only 15% of their earnings were put aside.  IMHO that's not enough and less than the percentage we would leave as a tip in a restaurant.

 

Kim's family has to be embarrassed about Kim's behavior.  Excusing Brandi's unacceptable actions isn't and shouldn't be their first concern.

I look at this way if a kid-back in Kim's day was making $1,000.00 an episode ($6,500.00 in today's dollars)-which for a half hour sitcom involves 2-3 trips to the studio a week, and she puts aside $150.00, then she pays her managers and agent $200.00, income tax $300.00, that leaves money for paying for the parent who takes her to and from, clothing, acting lessons, private school and various other items.  Most people would love to put away 15% of their income.  We do not know that Kim's parents only put away the minimum mandatory, she could have had much, much more.  The only thing I remember Kyle saying is when Kim turned 18 she had a good time with her money, bought a Porsche and lived it up.   

 

Kim married money by the time she was 21 and she did have a few roles after turning 18 including a feature film.

[thewhiteowl]

 

but not something we have heard from sober Kim.

 

 I don't think we've ever heard anything from a "sober" Kim. just varying degrees of wasted.

 

[WireWrap]

I look at this way if a kid-back in Kim's day was making $1,000.00 an episode ($6,500.00 in today's dollars)-which for a half hour sitcom involves 2-3 trips to the studio a week, and she puts aside $150.00, then she pays her managers and agent $200.00, income tax $300.00, that leaves money for paying for the parent who takes her to and from, clothing, acting lessons, private school and various other items.  Most people would love to put away 15% of their income.  We do not know that Kim's parents only put away the minimum mandatory, she could have had much, much more.  The only thing I remember Kyle saying is when Kim turned 18 she had a good time with her money, bought a Porsche and lived it up.   

 

Kim married money by the time she was 21 and she did have a few roles after turning 18 including a feature film.

Some like to make it sound like her mother used/stole all of the money Kim earned acting as a child, even the book, HH, does not go that far. It never makes the claim that Kim was sole support for her family and I stand by the notion that if her mother took money from Kim's earnings, it is reasonable to assume she did the very same with Kyle's earnings as well.

[zoeysmom]

 I don't think we've ever heard anything from a "sober" Kim. just varying degrees of wasted.

I agree.  It does make for fun TV and reading every time Kim professes her sobriety and how important it is to her.  Finding it might rank above talking about it but hey it is Kim.

[zoeysmom]

For entertainment and actually a pretty good summation of this episode visit Eileen's twitter page.  https://twitter.com/eileen_davidson

[thewhiteowl]

For entertainment and actually a pretty good summation of this episode visit Eileen's twitter page.  https://twitter.com/eileen_Davidson

 

 LOL She's good, snarky and funny. LMAO at the "accidentally threw wine in my face????"

[hypnotoad]

 

Brandi is honest to a fault.

 

Brandi honest? Yeah sorry but in my opinion those two things do not go together. Brandi doesn't even know what being honest is! Honest to a fault?!? She just lied about throwing wine in Eileen's face in the last episode!

 

 

What this episode is showing is Kim is unwilling to listen to her co-workers concern or even apology for behavior that happened recently.

 

I wonder if either Brandi or Kim apologized for poker night. Somehow I doubt it. And how easy would that be especially for Kim? It would probably help in getting Eileen and Lisa R to back off a bit (which is what Kim wants).

[Lisin]

Episode discussion. Please. 

[CatMomma]

I finally watched the episode. OT a bit, but I CANNOT believe that Eileen is the oldest of the bunch. DAMN, that woman looks amazing.

 

Lisa gave Kyle some good advice, and it looks like, for the time being, she is willing to take it.  I did have to laugh when Kyle implied Lisa wouldn't be willing to behave calmly toward Brandi 6 months ago.  Actually, Kyle, she DID behave that way when Brandi turned on her.  She may have played the victim a bit too much, but she never let Brandi's behavior ruffle her to the point that she yells "fuck you" and freaks the fuck out.  So, listen to Lisa, Kyle.

 

I really enjoyed Lisa's party.  It was great to see the women having a great time and enjoying each other.  

 

Brandi. Hmmm. The best thing I can say about her is that she didn't start anything.  So, um, good for you girl?

 

I really can't take Kim anymore.  I know Brandi is the most hated among the general audience, but for me, Kim is the absolute worst.  She is selfish, narcissistic, and flat out hateful. I'm over her and I have been for a few seasons now. She is not a victim. Brandi may be using her, but she is also using Brandi for her own reasons.  

 

I appreciate that Eileen and Lisar feel the need to intervene, but I really don't think it is their place. They don't know Kim very well, so an intervention would be pointless.  Kim doesn't even respond well to people who have known her for a long time.  This won't end well.  

 

On a shallow note, LVP needs to wear casual clothes more often.  She looks great when she isn't decked out in her tight pink satin dresses.

[haydensterling]

I can answer the grapefruit juice questions, being someone who takes benzos--there is an enzyme in grapefruit juice which inhibits the liver's ability to clear certain drugs, like benzos and also opiates.  In the case of benzos this means you might get overly relaxed or sedated, but in the case of opiates, it means you get overly high.  At any rate, in the case of benzos I have to be really careful about drinking grapefruit juice, because it keeps the drug in the body for up to 72 hours longer than it normally would.  I like grapefruits, so this sort of sucks, and when I do eat one (rarely) I definitely notice its effects.  

 

They have an effect on a lot of drugs, actually.  I'm just thinking of the ones that Brandi and Kim would be familiar with!  

 

I'm sure there are some vitamins that would respond in the same way, but I wouldn't know what they are.  I do know that something like D3 is fat soluble, not water soluble, so it's ideal to have your levels checked routinely to make sure that you're not overdosing, which is a real possibility.  

 

The fact that Yo hangs with Suzanne Somers makes me think that she gets her vitamins/supplements from Life Extensions, who are generally concerned with reducing the effects of aging on the body.  Someone who's really into that scene could well have a daily vitamin regimen like Yo's.  They make a great Omega 3 that I take, a berry-based antioxidant, and a bilberry for vision. I don't know if they do any good but they're certainly not hurting anything!

[WireWrap]

I finally watched the episode. OT a bit, but I CANNOT believe that Eileen is the oldest of the bunch. DAMN, that woman looks amazing.

 

Lisa gave Kyle some good advice, and it looks like, for the time being, she is willing to take it.  I did have to laugh when Kyle implied Lisa wouldn't be willing to behave calmly toward Brandi 6 months ago.  Actually, Kyle, she DID behave that way when Brandi turned on her.  She may have played the victim a bit too much, but she never let Brandi's behavior ruffle her to the point that she yells "fuck you" and freaks the fuck out.  So, listen to Lisa, Kyle.

 

I really enjoyed Lisa's party.  It was great to see the women having a great time and enjoying each other.  

 

Brandi. Hmmm. The best thing I can say about her is that she didn't start anything.  So, um, good for you girl?

 

I really can't take Kim anymore.  I know Brandi is the most hated among the general audience, but for me, Kim is the absolute worst.  She is selfish, narcissistic, and flat out hateful. I'm over her and I have been for a few seasons now. She is not a victim. Brandi may be using her, but she is also using Brandi for her own reasons.  

 

I appreciate that Eileen and Lisar feel the need to intervene, but I really don't think it is their place. They don't know Kim very well, so an intervention would be pointless.  Kim doesn't even respond well to people who have known her for a long time.  This won't end well.  

 

On a shallow note, LVP needs to wear casual clothes more often.  She looks great when she isn't decked out in her tight pink satin dresses.

I think not knowing Kim well enough is why they are trying to reach out, had they known her, they would just ignore her or treat her like a toddler as the rest now do.

LOL

[AnnA]

There are only two people I know who take as many vitamins as Yolanda does.  A while back someone (Higgins?) said the only vitamin we might need to take is Vitamin D.  That's true.  My doctor just told me to take Vitamin D because a recent blood test showed my levels were low.  When I went online tonight I found an interesting link to a piece on vitamins on my Yahoo homepage.  If you're interested in reading about vitamins, it's a good read.  It's titled "Vitamins Are Making America Less Healthy."

 

Vitamins

[GreatKazu]

Maybe this episode Yolanda was more authentic but I think she's been pretty scheming. She clearly wanted to take down Lisa and her behavior towards Lisa and Ken was pretty appalling in my opinion. Even this season she's been pretty obsessed with Lisa and the Pump opening/Palm Spring thing.

Definitely. I am still waiting for YoFo to apologize for her accusation towards Ken. She made him sound like he gave her a beat down. The way she has reacted to Lisa not inviting her to here and there, reminds me of when Kim kept bringing up the fact the Todd's did not attend her daughter's graduation celebration.

[Chalby]

Yolanda starts talking to Brandi about her drunken behavior

It bothers me how manipulative Brandi is. Did you all catch her deflection of Yolanda's concern about her being called an alcoholic? She made it about Yolanda's daughter and her 'drinking problem'. Brandy is so vile and too stupid to realize that she's burning her bridges.

[IslandGirl]

Sorry that I'm late back to the thread to respond, breezy, the demands of life less glamorous than a real housewife's called. I'm referring to things like Kim's talk of supporting her family and missing out on a normal childhood. While she can be a bit ridiculous, like, really, Kim? You were such a star that you never got the chance to learn to put on make-up? I actually don't doubt that issues of money and stardom distorted her childhood experience in bad ways. And then you have things like Kyle telling the story of driving herself to work at the studio at some ridiculous age like 13 or 14 and just noting that she had an "interesting" childhood. I recall Ron Howard in an interview years ago being asked, basically, why he wasn't a mess like other former child stars, and he said that unlike a lot of other kids, he never felt that he was supporting his family. He had a very successful father and, within his family, stayed just a kid. I may roll my eyes at what I think are Kim's exaggerations, but I don't think she was lying about feeling like she supported her family whether that was fully true or not. And I think that while Kim may overstate, that Kyle understates the pressures they were both under.

I have thoughts about a lot of other things the two of them have said, mostly in interviews and such, but I'll just leave it there before I write a new chapter for the Big Book of Internet Diagnoses.

 

Found A Peanut, I'd love to read more of your thoughts regarding things Kim and Kyle have said in interviews.  I must admit I find their very real struggle fascinating.  I wonder what their relationship would be like had Kim not been a substance abuser.  Please do write that Big Book of Internet Diagnoses, if you're so inclined; I look forward to your tome... :-)

Edited February 22, 2015 by IslandGirl

[zoeysmom]

So does Kim realize there is a difference between being two days late to a vacation because you are drunk-like Hawaii and delaying the start of the vacation because you are looking for your luggage? Her whining at Kyle about being late is just so uncomfortable for the rest of the group.  Are we going to have to have a group apology about ever asking, "where's Kim?"  I am beginning to see why Kyle isn't there for Kim everyday-it must be exhausting to have to relive Kim's drunken antics and the turn around and relive them with a soberish Kim and apologize for not dealing with drunk Kim in accordance with her standards.  I can't believe she is going on and on about missing the boat in Hawaii.

[imjagain]

It bothers me how manipulative Brandi is. Did you all catch her deflection of Yolanda's concern about her being called an alcoholic? She made it about Yolanda's daughter and her 'drinking problem'. Brandy is so vile and too stupid to realize that she's burning her bridges.

I don't know if it was just me but Brandi's face changed when Yo said "I have daughters I can't support that behavior". To me that is when Brandi said to herself you want to talk about daughters, okay.

She is a terrible person.

Everything to her is an attack. And goes for the kill.

Edited February 22, 2015 by imjagain