S05.E13: Sister Act

[LotusFlower]

If LisaR tells Kim that she felt uncomfortable with her in the limo, then Victim Kim puts on her puppy face and says: why are you so mean to me? At the next event, they share a limo again, and the same thing happens. The pattern continues. Congratulations.

[Umbelina]

I would have a lot more respect for Kyle if she would simply be honest.

 

Instead of attacking Brandi and Kim and saying OTT things as she screamed at them at the Gay party, and then the endless talking heads about them, just cop to what Brandi said.

 

"Yes, you called me at 2AM, and yes, I told you 'That's just Kim.' and hung up.  So what?  You have no idea how many times I've been through those 2 AM emergencies, and I'm done.  Enough.  Kyle has left the building."  Even if she didn't admit what I already feel is true, that if Bravo were filming she would have gone?  I'd still respect her for just for once in her damn life, being real.

 

Kyle has the right to check out, what bothers me about her is that I think she's using Lipsa to "get" her sister, because she doesn't want the limo heat she went through in the press before.  That's just cowardly and spin.  Just tell the truth.  ONCE.  "I've had enough." wouldn't bother me a bit, even though I agree with Eileen.  Sometimes you just have had enough, especially with addicts, and you have that right.  No question.

 

Kyle would rather attack than be real, and examine things though.  Hell, so would Brandi, and so would Kim.  As I've said before, these are shallow women that simply are not very smart.  Any decent therapist could guide Kim and Kyle if they wanted to get better.

[Avaleigh]

I'm making a rough guess here, that 90% of the posts on this episode have Brandi's name in them.  Just sayin'.

People hate cancer but when it hits them or a loved one then they tend to talk about it a lot. I know the latter from personal experience. 

 

Most of the discussion of Brandi is about why she is toxic to the show and how people would like to be rid of her. I feel like this show has an illness and the malignancy in question is Brandi Glanville.

[jjbjjbh]

Umbelina: 

 

Kyle's STILL a mean-girl, immature bitch who has to make everything about herself

Amen to that. 

I haven't watched the latest episode;  Sorry I am behind with watching the RHOBH......my comment is for the "pokergate" or "drivewaygate" episode....... I had to laugh when  Kyle kept insisting Brandi was coming "between" her and Kim.......

 

Now, I am no fan of Brandi or ANY of the housewives; I despise Brandi's drunken and vile behavior  as much as anyone. Having said that, Kyle has to realize NO ONE can "come between"  any two individuals, leave alone sisters, unless one of them wants the outsider to meddle. Clearly Kim wants/wanted Brandi to be involved. For what reasons, only Kim's addicted and unstable mind knows.  My guess would be Kim wants  to hurt Kyle in some way. Kim and Kyle's issues go WAYYYY   deeper than jealousy  vis-a vis Brandi. Brandi is just a  catalyst  whose current emotional proximity to Kim brings the sisters' long-standing emotional issues to the surface. 

 

If  I was in Kyle's place, even though Kim is chronologically older than Kyle, I would just take the "mature" big sister high road that night, leave Kim alone and just let things slide until a few days later when both her and Kim would hopefully be in a better mindframe to discuss the events of the poker party. Why doesn't Kyle behave like the wiser sister? Why does she insist on juvenile behavior herself, thrashing it out with Kim there and then? Obviously, Kim's issues with addiction and other illnesses, fake or real, have affected her sense of balance, propriety and security. Kyle,your sister is NOT going to behave like an adult under those circumstances! You have to treat her like you would treat a child with behavioral issues, know when to ignore them and when to have a serious talk about them. 

 

Why Kyle feels compelled to confront Kim/Brandi at the specific moment the argument is happening, is beyond me. I am not condoning Kim's conduct or making excuses for her, but merely realizing her state of mind at the time of these arguments is NOT RATIONAL OR STABLE. BEST thing is to leave her alone(unless she is physically harming herself), wait for the tide to calm down, and then approach Kim at a later time/date to gauge if she is amenable to resolving the situation. 

 

Thats how ADULTS behave, Kyle. Yes, I agree having to ALWAYS behave like the  elder, wiser, more mature sister can take a toll. Kyle, you are the smarter one, YOU SHOULD know that getting upset and emotional when Kim chose to leave with Brandi would surely make an already mercurial situation more combustible. Offer your sister your help and support calmly, kindly......Tell her you love her and always will,  let her know she can come to you anytime she wants to, and allow your sister to decide. If she chooses to go home with Brandi, ensure either Brandi or the chauffeur takes Kim home safely. And you would have done your responsibility. next day/few days later, call Kim, visit her  and see if she is in an agreeable mindset. 

 

I am by no means saying Kim is innocent in all of this, but IMHO the best way to diffuse the situation is to give it some time. No recurring emotional outbursts and confrontations!  JEEZ!  One of the sisters has to be an adult in this, and Kim is not upto the task. 

 

Also, Kyle, NO ONE can come between you and Kim if you two have a solid loving, caring relationship to begin with. What kind of a weird relationship do these sisters have that ANY OUTSIDER can fill one's ears with negativity and she just ACCEPTS that of her sister?   LOL. My sister would NEVER in a million years believe ANYTHING bad about me(and vice versa), no matter how many fights we have had, or who it comes from!!  This Television show is not a proper venue to resolve lifelong  issues Kim and Kyle have had. 

[Umbelina]

"Tough love" isn't screaming at the addict for the cameras or engaging your friends to discuss her issues, again, for camera, while making yourself a martyr saint.

 

I think true "tough love" for these two would be Kyle CALMLY saying "I'm done.  It never ends.  It's disrupting my life too much.  Until you get help, real help, and stick with it, don't call me, don't have your friends call me.  This dance we've been playing for decades obviously isn't helping you, and it's too difficult for me anymore.  Best of luck."

 

That might help Kim, but it would do nothing for Kyle's image, so it won't happen.

Edited February 12, 2015 by Umbelina

[copacabana]

"Tough love" isn't screaming at the addict for the cameras or engaging your friends to discuss her issues, again, for camera, while making yourself a martyr saint.

 

I think true "tough love" for these two would be Kyle CALMLY saying "I'm done.  It never ends.  It's disrupting my life too much.  Until you get help, real help, and stick with it, don't call me, don't have your friends call me.  This dance we've been playing for decades obviously isn't helping you, and it's too difficult for me anymore.  Best of luck."

 

That might help Kim, but it would do nothing for Kyle's image, so it won't happen.

 

Sing it, sister.  Right on.  

 

Also Funny Girl is on just now on AMC.  Love Funny Girl and all the posters here ... Maybe even myself sometimes. 

Edited February 12, 2015 by copacabana

[haydensterling]

What the fuck else is there to talk about other than Brandi?  She gets shoved in our faces every episode, she says something stupid, the boards blow up, Andy knows this means bucks.  A vicious cycle.  I'd love to talk about something other than Brandi--like say--Lisa R. or Eileen; I've tried and I've seen others do it too, but nobody--nobody on this board responds to posts like that.  It always turns back around to 'why do you like Brandi'/'why do you hate Brandi'.  So we're all guilty of that. 

Unfortunately there's that other bit where she's been made front and center for the past few years now so I'm not real sure what I can talk about, other than the two and a half minutes spent on Max or Anwar here and there.  

 

You can only get so much mileage out of Yo's fridge.

[talula]

So in your opinion which is more worthy of snark- Eileen's film, or Rinna's Depends commercial?  If you had to pick just one, I mean.  

 

I'm curious, given the reaction of the other HW's.  It can't be that much worse than Depends or, y'know, not booking gigs...can it?

IMO it was 100% better than LisaR's Depends commercial.  It stretches credibility to believe this might be true...I'd love to hear the RHOBH cast discuss the film.

Edited February 12, 2015 by RealityTVSmack1

[Umbelina]

I think when the others wives bring something to the show, hopefully, there will be more to talk about.  Right now, pretty much all ANY of these women are doing is taking about Brandi, or Kim, or both.  It's the only storyline Bravo's got, because they are boring.  Thank God for Lisa V, at least the adoption stuff is a change of pace for the endless hand-wringing and Kyle fits/sympathy tour.

 

The little film thing was OK, but face it, not compelling Housewives TV, and on the way there, it was the Kyle sympathy tour, lets gossip about Brandi and Kim and poor, poor, sainted Kyle some more.

 

They did one trip to Medford for Lipsa to remove her parents from their home, towing her bratty daughters along, and whining that she almost never "had time" to make the two hour flight up to Medford and see her parents for a day here and there.  Yeah, great daughter there. 

 

The rest has just been making kids food, or seeing them off to college, or getting new dogs, and I mean really?  I can go next door for that shit.

[Higgins]

Specialists in the field of addiction disagree with this line of thinking. Not only does this kind of enabling hurt the addict, but it's not fair to the addict's loved ones, the ones you say should be "checking in" from time to time. They deserve some peace, too.

"Intervention" is returning to A&E in March. It deals with all this stuff. What I found the most fascinating from watching many episodes is that everyone said the exact same things. The people were different, the scenery changed, but what the addicts said and what their loved ones said in response was almost always a carbon copy of the players in the previous episode, and so on and so on. Kim and Kyle, wealthy ladies from Beverly Hills, and John and Jane Doe from Meth Town, USA, are all dealing with the same issues, and all need counseling.

Intervention and forced rehab have a dismal track record in addiction recovery. So does AA and NA.

[copacabana]

In my hubris, I just wrote what I thought was a witty six sentence thing about why we are all together in this and it got lost and that's a good thing since I'm insufferable and hate myself in the morning.  

 

We're basically just here for each other and to have fun with each other and kind of marvel at being as cool as we are.  Show doesn't deserve us and never has and Previously TV is beyond welcoming and patient. 

 

And of course Yolanda and her icebox.  And the person somewhere else entirely who called Eileen's house Cracker Barrel.  Oh my heavens --  Why is it exactly that women don't totally rule and control this world?

[SoCal4Us]

Welcome to the world of addiction and the families that deal with it.

Edited February 14, 2015 by SoCal4Us

[Higgins]

In my hubris, I just wrote what I thought was a witty six sentence thing about why we are all together in this and it got lost and that's a good thing since I'm insufferable and hate myself in the morning.  

 

We're basically just here for each other and to have fun with each other and kind of marvel at being as cool as we are.  Show doesn't deserve us and never has and Previously TV is beyond welcoming and patient. 

 

And of course Yolanda and her icebox.  And the person somewhere else entirely who called Eileen's house Cracker Barrel.  Oh my heavens --  Why is it exactly that women don't totally rule and control this world?

I think we really do rule the world.

[copacabana]

Don't we, really?  And wouldn't it be great if we did even more of it? 

 

And Yolanda's icebox.  Kyle's make-up and hair station -- WHO looks after that mess and keeps it clean?  And Kim's chicken salad?  My old Auntie X used to super duper wash her hands up to her elbows and deal with the chicken salad just that way.  We all ate it, no one got sick and good times. 

 

I think we really do rule the world.

 

AA and NA can't guarantee anything but have saved millions of lives around the planet.  It comes at a cost, especially for women, but there is simply nothing else ...  One can chafe against them and their lingo, but nothing else of substance has come to replace what they offer.   

Edited February 12, 2015 by copacabana

[talula]

Could this be true?

 

RHOBH is mainly about addiction this year and the ugly side of the resulting human tragedy...for both family and friends.  Some cast members may be mortified and getting worn out with the same old, same old.

 

Bravo had to hire two new actresses, LisaR and Eileen to play against the addiction theme.  Yolanda and LisaV were definitely getting tired of playing opposite it.

 

When signing up to watch RHOBH I did not envision how miserable it could get watching it and commenting on it.  I thought there would be more smack talk and funny things to talk about...looks like Bravo decided to take this show down the RHONJ/rabbit hole. :(

Edited February 12, 2015 by RealityTVSmack1

[The Mighty Peanut]

Going to try to keep OT preaching to a minimum but something to keep in mind if one believes addiction is a disease is that it is perhaps the only disease wherein medical terminology makes no distinction between the afflicted and the condition, including those diseases that were brought about due to individual behavior like smoking or risky sex. If someone with HIV acts like a jerk we do not say the AIDS is making it all about them. If sister A is justifiably mad at sister B we don't say it's just because of what Lung Cancers do. Kim is a person with addiction. She might not be a good person with addiction, I don't know, but it's not right to be dismissive and contemptuous of every bad thing a person does because the bad thing was done by an addict. It IS possible for her to have an actual real human emotion that is not a scheme to get something from somebody else. If Kyle or anyone else with an addiction sufferer in the family wants to say enough is enough, I can't spend anymore time trying to discern what's real and what's alcohol (or what's real and what's being a dry drunk, my favorite catch 22), fine. That's their right. But Kim or whoever still isn't...permanently and irrevocably canceled from personhood, for lack of a better term. The human condition is full of cruel, manipulative narcissists and a lot of them are not substance abusers. It's the basis for this entire franchise. I don't mean to come across like I have a honk if u love junkies bumper sticker on my car but I feel like Kim is being antagonized to the point where it's kind of weird. And btw the reason there are 12 steps is because the founder of AA hallucinated that he saw God during withdrawal and was inspired to make 12 the magic number because there are 12 apostles. AA/NA works for a lot of people and saves a lot of lives but it's not an exact science. http://www.wired.com/2010/06/ff_alcoholics_anonymous/all/

Edited February 13, 2015 by The Mighty Peanut

[njbchlover]

Funny how this silly reality show made way for the most infamous tampon of all time.

 

All of this tampon talk just brings back memories of the headlines from a recorded phone call between Prince Charles and his then mistress, Camilla,....when he whispered something about wanting to be HER tampon...(does anyone else remember this???) 

[talula]

Call me weird...but I watch these shows to be entertained. IMHO I am no longer being entertained...it's getting worrisome to believe another Bravo suicide will occur.

 

Is it time to allow healing to occur behind closed doors?  Hire a few new HW for next season please Bravo!

[njbchlover]

What the fuck else is there to talk about other than Brandi?  She gets shoved in our faces every episode, she says something stupid, the boards blow up, Andy knows this means bucks.  A vicious cycle.  I'd love to talk about something other than Brandi--like say--Lisa R. or Eileen; I've tried and I've seen others do it too, but nobody--nobody on this board responds to posts like that.  It always turns back around to 'why do you like Brandi'/'why do you hate Brandi'.  So we're all guilty of that. 

Unfortunately there's that other bit where she's been made front and center for the past few years now so I'm not real sure what I can talk about, other than the two and a half minutes spent on Max or Anwar here and there.  

 

You can only get so much mileage out of Yo's fridge.

 

And, I for one, would also like to discuss other things besides Brandi....but, the conversation just always some how veers back around to her....

 

On the other hand, while Yolanda and Brandi (see - there it goes again) were talking after their yoga session, I thought that Yolanda looked great...her skin looked amazing, and I am jealous of her body!!   :-)

Edited February 12, 2015 by njbchlover

[Umbelina]

When one of the other wives does something interesting enough to talk about, we probably will.  So far?  Not happening, other than Lisa with the adoption stuff.  That will be a problem going forward.

Edited February 12, 2015 by Umbelina

[LotusFlower]

Intervention and forced rehab have a dismal track record in addiction recovery. So does AA and NA.

But as you'll notice, my post concerned the well-being of loved ones as well as the addict. Not something Al-Anon can quantify in terms of success rates, I suspect. My guess? And it's a total guess, and Kyle notwithstanding, I bet it's pretty good.

[talula]

And, I for one, would also like to discuss other things besides Brandi....but, the conversation just always some how veers back around to her....

 

On the other hand, while Yolanda and Brandi (see - there it goes again) were talking after their yoga session, I thought that Yolanda looked great...her skin looked amazing, and I am jealous of her body!!   :-)

Considering Yolanda is suffering so much from her Lyme disease she does seem to have periods where she can pamper herself and exercise.  I'm not sure if she sold her house yet. It must be difficult to sell her home since she designed it and put so much of herself in watching it be built. Guess the kids are all grown up and branching out so she and David want something more manageable.  She'll need less staff and can save a few dollars.  Maybe David is considering retiring also...not sure of his age.

 

Bet she'll have a similar frige in her new home.

 

I agree her body is great and she appears very disciplined with her diet/exercise.  Probably worried David will look for a newer model if she gets frumpy around the middle. 

 

Was she only in one scene this episode doing yoga with someone, who shall remain nameless, like Lord Voldemort from the Harry Potter series, lol?

Edited February 13, 2015 by RealityTVSmack1

[WireWrap]

I would have a lot more respect for Kyle if she would simply be honest.

 

Instead of attacking Brandi and Kim and saying OTT things as she screamed at them at the Gay party, and then the endless talking heads about them, just cop to what Brandi said.

 

"Yes, you called me at 2AM, and yes, I told you 'That's just Kim.' and hung up.  So what?  You have no idea how many times I've been through those 2 AM emergencies, and I'm done.  Enough.  Kyle has left the building."  Even if she didn't admit what I already feel is true, that if Bravo were filming she would have gone?  I'd still respect her for just for once in her damn life, being real.

 

Kyle has the right to check out, what bothers me about her is that I think she's using Lipsa to "get" her sister, because she doesn't want the limo heat she went through in the press before.  That's just cowardly and spin.  Just tell the truth.  ONCE.  "I've had enough." wouldn't bother me a bit, even though I agree with Eileen.  Sometimes you just have had enough, especially with addicts, and you have that right.  No question.

 

Kyle would rather attack than be real, and examine things though.  Hell, so would Brandi, and so would Kim.  As I've said before, these are shallow women that simply are not very smart.  Any decent therapist could guide Kim and Kyle if they wanted to get better.

The last time Kyle was honest about/to Kim, season 1 limo scene, she got blasted by the viewers but even worse, her sisters and their families refused to have anything to do with her. The punishment was far worse to/on Kyle then Kim has received being a nasty addict.

 

Umbelina: 

Amen to that. 

I haven't watched the latest episode;  Sorry I am behind with watching the RHOBH......my comment is for the "pokergate" or "drivewaygate" episode....... I had to laugh when  Kyle kept insisting Brandi was coming "between" her and Kim.......

 

Now, I am no fan of Brandi or ANY of the housewives; I despise Brandi's drunken and vile behavior  as much as anyone. Having said that, Kyle has to realize NO ONE can "come between"  any two individuals, leave alone sisters, unless one of them wants the outsider to meddle. Clearly Kim wants/wanted Brandi to be involved. For what reasons, only Kim's addicted and unstable mind knows.  My guess would be Kim wants  to hurt Kyle in some way. Kim and Kyle's issues go WAYYYY   deeper than jealousy  vis-a vis Brandi. Brandi is just a  catalyst  whose current emotional proximity to Kim brings the sisters' long-standing emotional issues to the surface. 

 

If  I was in Kyle's place, even though Kim is chronologically older than Kyle, I would just take the "mature" big sister high road that night, leave Kim alone and just let things slide until a few days later when both her and Kim would hopefully be in a better mindframe to discuss the events of the poker party. Why doesn't Kyle behave like the wiser sister? Why does she insist on juvenile behavior herself, thrashing it out with Kim there and then? Obviously, Kim's issues with addiction and other illnesses, fake or real, have affected her sense of balance, propriety and security. Kyle,your sister is NOT going to behave like an adult under those circumstances! You have to treat her like you would treat a child with behavioral issues, know when to ignore them and when to have a serious talk about them. 

 

Why Kyle feels compelled to confront Kim/Brandi at the specific moment the argument is happening, is beyond me. I am not condoning Kim's conduct or making excuses for her, but merely realizing her state of mind at the time of these arguments is NOT RATIONAL OR STABLE. BEST thing is to leave her alone(unless she is physically harming herself), wait for the tide to calm down, and then approach Kim at a later time/date to gauge if she is amenable to resolving the situation. 

 

Thats how ADULTS behave, Kyle. Yes, I agree having to ALWAYS behave like the  elder, wiser, more mature sister can take a toll. Kyle, you are the smarter one, YOU SHOULD know that getting upset and emotional when Kim chose to leave with Brandi would surely make an already mercurial situation more combustible. Offer your sister your help and support calmly, kindly......Tell her you love her and always will,  let her know she can come to you anytime she wants to, and allow your sister to decide. If she chooses to go home with Brandi, ensure either Brandi or the chauffeur takes Kim home safely. And you would have done your responsibility. next day/few days later, call Kim, visit her  and see if she is in an agreeable mindset. 

 

I am by no means saying Kim is innocent in all of this, but IMHO the best way to diffuse the situation is to give it some time. No recurring emotional outbursts and confrontations!  JEEZ!  One of the sisters has to be an adult in this, and Kim is not upto the task. 

 

Also, Kyle, NO ONE can come between you and Kim if you two have a solid loving, caring relationship to begin with. What kind of a weird relationship do these sisters have that ANY OUTSIDER can fill one's ears with negativity and she just ACCEPTS that of her sister?   LOL. My sister would NEVER in a million years believe ANYTHING bad about me(and vice versa), no matter how many fights we have had, or who it comes from!!  This Television show is not a proper venue to resolve lifelong  issues Kim and Kyle have had. 

Kyle was upset because of what Kim said to her in the kitchen and then Brandi refused to allow Kim/Kyle to talk to each other even though both sisters told Brandi to back off. Kim allowed Brandi to control her and that was the problem with Kyle.

 

"Tough love" isn't screaming at the addict for the cameras or engaging your friends to discuss her issues, again, for camera, while making yourself a martyr saint.

 

I think true "tough love" for these two would be Kyle CALMLY saying "I'm done.  It never ends.  It's disrupting my life too much.  Until you get help, real help, and stick with it, don't call me, don't have your friends call me.  This dance we've been playing for decades obviously isn't helping you, and it's too difficult for me anymore.  Best of luck."

 

That might help Kim, but it would do nothing for Kyle's image, so it won't happen.

No, it is not "screaming" for the camera time and I do not think anyone did that. Tough Love is what Bravo needs to do, FIRE KIM and BRANDI! Enough is enough with these 2 HWs. They have nothing to offer this show other than their addictions and their horrid behavior, nothing, zip, zero, nada, nothing! All of the other HWs have something beyond drinking/getting high and acting crazy/mean. They all have storylines that include various members of their families, they have interesting jobs/business's and they are all funny, smart and live the lifestyle that Bravo based the franchise on. Neither Kim and Brandi have anything to offer compared to the others.  JMO

 

I think when the others wives bring something to the show, hopefully, there will be more to talk about.  Right now, pretty much all ANY of these women are doing is taking about Brandi, or Kim, or both.  It's the only storyline Bravo's got, because they are boring.  Thank God for Lisa V, at least the adoption stuff is a change of pace for the endless hand-wringing and Kyle fits/sympathy tour.

 

The little film thing was OK, but face it, not compelling Housewives TV, and on the way there, it was the Kyle sympathy tour, lets gossip about Brandi and Kim and poor, poor, sainted Kyle some more.

 

They did one trip to Medford for Lipsa to remove her parents from their home, towing her bratty daughters along, and whining that she almost never "had time" to make the two hour flight up to Medford and see her parents for a day here and there.  Yeah, great daughter there. 

 

The rest has just been making kids food, or seeing them off to college, or getting new dogs, and I mean really?  I can go next door for that shit.

We don't talk about the others as much because we are shocked/appalled by the behaviors exhibited by Kim/Brandi! They are polarizing,but not in a good way and defiantly not in a healthy way.

 

Going to try to keep OT preaching to a minimum but something to keep in mind if one believes addiction is a disease is that it is perhaps the only disease wherein medical terminology makes no distinction between the afflicted and the condition, including those diseases that were brought about due to individual behavior like smoking or risky sex. If someone with HIV acts like a jerk we do not say the AIDS is making it all about them. If sister A is justifiably mad at sister B we don't say it's just because of what Lung Cancers do. Kim is a person with addiction. She might not be a good person with addiction, I don't know, but it's not right to be dismissive and contemptuous of every bad thing a person does because the bad thing was done by an addict. It IS possible for her to have an actual real human emotion that is not a scheme to get something from somebody else. If Kyle or anyone else with an addiction sufferer in the family wants to say enough is enough, fine. That's their right. But Kim or whoever still isn't...permanently an irrevocably canceled from personhood, for lack of a better term. The human condition is full of cruel, manipulative narcissists and a lot of them are not substance abusers. It's the basis for this entire franchise. I don't mean to come across like I have a honk if u love junkies bumper sticker on my car but I feel like Kim is being antagonized to the point where it's kind of weird.

Ok then, Kim is an asshole that happens to be an addict which makes her a crazy asshole! Brandi is an asshole that happens to over indulge and then becomes an even nastier asshole! Better? LOL

[zoeysmom]

Call me weird...but I watch these shows to be entertained. IMHO I am no longer being entertained...it's getting worrisome to believe another Bravo suicide will occur.

 

Is it time to allow healing to occur behind closed doors?  Hire a few new HW for next season please Bravo!

Step away from your TV and the boards.  No one should be worried about a suicide associated with one of these shows.  Suicide prevention is not in the hands of Bravo or its viewers.  That is way too much to put on one's shoulders.  TV viewing should not cause that kind of angst-except to well paid producers..

 

It is real life.  In real life many people deal with addicts in recovery, in relapse, pre-intervention.  This became about addiction because an addict/alcoholic decided to test her sobriety by taking drugs not prescribed for her.  The problem with this particular addict is she thinks she is fooling someone and is placing the blame on her sister, on the Lisas and it even sounds like some, like you, feel you are somehow to blame for watching it on the show.  That is why addicts can succeed a very long time with their downward spiral behavior.

 

Eileen's trying to bring the sister's together was handled poorly by Kyle.  Kim should have immediately been asked about her behavior on Poker Night,  if she could not remember she should be asking the Eileen and then apologizing for any rudeness on her part.  Second is the argument between Kyle and Brandi and Kim's butt hurt feelings about Kyle not being there for her and Kyle explaining her new BFF is the one going public with Kim's secrets.  Instead it became all about poor Kim.  Kim needs to evaluate why the most bold insults in the world fly right over her head if uttered by Brandi and directed to her sister. Mostly Kim needs to weigh why she thinks anyone is required "to be there for her".

 

Kim will never get it and I agree, get her off the show.  I think her fate for Season 6 was sealed the day Bravo and Evolution got sued over Kingsley.  I think Brandi's fate may be the same-her lawsuit brought by Joanna Krupa.  Brandi is now saying the show may not be for her anymore. http://www.wetpaint.com/brandi-glanville/articles/2015-02-12-quitting-rhobh-leann-rimes-replacement  Bravo has been down this road before standing behind the RH who are sued and have legal issues and being rewarded with declining ratings. 

 

It is time for the non-addicts to take back the show.  Because otherwise it becomes like a bad season of Dallas, and Pam awakes from her dream.  Kim will NEVER EVER apologize without a tale pages long of how her addiction has been so hard on her and therefore it is just not really her fault.  I say bring on the staff from Celebrity Rehab for the Kim portion of the Reunion. 

[charming]

Either be involved or don't but all the unnecessary imposing of outsiders just wanting to roll in with criticism and shame doesn't really help Kim's cause. Every day and every person around her can't make it all about the elephant in the room. Yeah the elephant is there but like that horse it's in the corner beaten to a bloody pulp. What else is there left to do?  What's so hard about not contributing? Oh wait, that's walking on eggshells and coddling Kim which of course we don't ever do for people we care about or even strangers. We run in and out of people's lives and stomp around with no regard to how our behavior will affect others. Just because Kim is an addict doesn't mean that the basic courtesies shouldn't be observed. 

 

*snip*

 

I love how being a loved one of an addict is such a hectic dance that really doesn't have one perfect way and people get angry justifiably so but when it comes to an addict their either in perfect recovery mode or having on the street corner relapses that there isn't any tolerance or understanding for.  So it's such a hard thing to deal with an addict so miles and miles of slack is obviously a given but that addiction boy, should be a snap for the addict to kick so nope, no slack for you. Oh and don't go threatening suicide.. Just another tactic. Can't possibly be another symptom of the disease they are suffering from. Those addicts, I tell ya.

 

This has been addressed by other posters much more eloquently than I ever could but since you were originally quoting me I just have to say that I disagree. I don't think anyone here has ever posted that addiction is a "snap" that can be broken easily. In my opinion, seeing someone you love self destruct before your eyes has to be agonizing. I would never think that trying to help someone is somehow not giving them common courtesy or stomping over their feelings.

 

When I post about the things I've seen on the show, I'm posting about the women themselves. It seems like a handful of posters are taking the comments about Kim and her addiction, as it's been portrayed on the show, almost as personal comments against them. Maybe I'm wrong but that's how it's coming across. I find myself reading posts a few times because I'm never really sure what point is being addressed. Something about Kim or something more personal.

 

I will just say that I find Kim and Brandi to be utterly selfish and narcissistic among other things whether they are drunk/high or sober.

 

So let me clarify. I post about Kim's behavior as seen on the show. That's about Kim, not all people struggling or recovering from addiction. I'm going to refrain from responding to some of these posts because it's starting to become very uncomfortable.

 

I don't want anyone thinking that my posts are somehow judging anyone except the Housewives who are featured on the show.

Edited February 13, 2015 by charming

[zoeysmom]

Considering Yolanda is suffering so much from her Lyme disease she does seem to have periods where she can pamper herself and exercise.  I'm not sure if she sold her house yet. It must be difficult to sell her home since she designed it and put so much of herself in watching it be built. Guess the kids are all grown up and branching out so she and David want something more manageable.  She'll need less staff and can save a few dollars.  Maybe David is considering retiring also...not sure of his age.

 

Bet she'll have a similar frige in her new home.

 

I agree her body is great and she appears very disciplined with her diet/exercise.  Probably worried David will look for a newer model if she gets frumpy around the middle. 

Yolanda house, built with David's money, is overpriced by about 30%.  They want to make a killing off it instead of a nice tidy profit.  From what David has said, his office is in LA proper and for him to get to LA for a dinner  from Malibu he is leaving at 5 pm for a 7 pm.  So why does he want to continue to incur the long commutes? I noticed when David attended Lisa renewal his first comment was-wow this is out here. It sounds to me like he wants to be in the thick of things.  I would assume Anwar has only one more year of school and then there are no ties to Malibu kid wise.

 

At this point I think Yolanda is probably far more concerned about losing her mind.  She strikes me as the type of person who does not want to be a burden.  Of all the RH, and I have never been that much of a Yolanda fan, she is the one I think may not be able to bounce back due to health reasons.  I honestly wish her some sort of recovery from her Lyme's disease. 

[walnutqueen]

Intervention and forced rehab have a dismal track record in addiction recovery. So does AA and NA.

 

I am ever so glad to finally hear someone say this, Higgins.

 

 

Don't we, really?  And wouldn't it be great if we did even more of it? 

 

And Yolanda's icebox.  Kyle's make-up and hair station -- WHO looks after that mess and keeps it clean?  And Kim's chicken salad?  My old Auntie X used to super duper wash her hands up to her elbows and deal with the chicken salad just that way.  We all ate it, no one got sick and good times. 

 

 

AA and NA can't guarantee anything but have saved millions of lives around the planet.  It comes at a cost, especially for women, but there is simply nothing else ...  One can chafe against them and their lingo, but nothing else of substance has come to replace what they offer.   

 

Nothing else of substance can replace AA?  Sounds like something only AA would promote, because it just isn't so.  AA is NOT treatment and has no real substance; it is little more than a cult of culture based upon a silly little book written by a religious old drunk many years ago,  IMHO.  There is no scientific basis for any of their claims, nor are there any legitimate studies on how well it does or does not work.

 

Kim and people like her don't need any more platitudes or meetings - they need real medical intervention and proper treatment.  Even then, the odds are against them.

[WireWrap]

 

Kim will never get it and I agree, get her off the show.  I think her fate for Season 6 was sealed the day Bravo and Evolution got sued over Kingsley.  I think Brandi's fate may be the same-her lawsuit brought by Joanna Krupa.  Brandi is now saying the show may not be for her anymore. http://www.wetpaint.com/brandi-glanville/articles/2015-02-12-quitting-rhobh-leann-rimes-replacement  Bravo has been down this road before standing behind the RH who are sued and have legal issues and being rewarded with declining ratings. 

 

It is time for the non-addicts to take back the show.  Because otherwise it becomes like a bad season of Dallas, and Pam awakes from her dream.  Kim will NEVER EVER apologize without a tale pages long of how her addiction has been so hard on her and therefore it is just not really her fault.  I say bring on the staff from Celebrity Rehab for the Kim portion of the Reunion. 

It is time for Bravo to cut Kim and Brandi loose, they need to get back to the original show format, wealthy women enjoying their families, life, each other with some drama but not this over the top garbage from the garbage spreaders like Kim/Brandi. No one can force Kim to get sober, no one can force Brandi to grow up except themselves and neither are interested in making any personal changes, so Bye, Bye IMO.

 

That article was funny, is Brandi trying to do the same as Lisa V did after last season? Have her fans beg her to stay on the show? LOL I am not sure she has enough fans left to rally her into staying. Oh, and she just can't keep herself from throwing  a dig at Leann! GTFU Brandi, GTFU!

[Umbelina]

No, Kyle screaming and frantically trying to physically attack Kim in that limo, so much so that Adrienne had to stop her, but she could not stop the verbal abuse from Kyle (or from Kim.)

 

She always screams, and cries, and throws fits and words and fingers (pointer or middle.)  In what universe is that helpful?  It's just continuing their endless, pathetic, and destructive dance. 

What I said is, IF Kyle had CALMLY answered Brandi instead of frantically defecting and accusing to get sympathy, and any blame from herself, I would have respected her. 

"Yes, you called me at 2AM, and yes, I told you 'That's just Kim.' and hung up.  So what?  You have no idea how many times I've been through those 2 AM emergencies, and I'm done.  Enough.  Kyle has left the building."

 

 

If she CALMLY told Kim she's had enough, and broke that co-defendant chain they have by saying something like

"I'm done.  It never ends.  It's disrupting my life too much.  Until you get help, real help, and stick with it, don't call me, don't have your friends call me.  This dance we've been playing for decades obviously isn't helping you, and it's too difficult for me anymore. Best of luck."

 

  I would stand up and cheer for her.

 

The histrionics are not helping.  It's not about "who is the best sister???  who is the GOOD one???" but Kyle keeps trying to make it about that with her screaming and starting fights and gossiping endlessly with her friends. 

It's all for cameras, all for Kyle's image, and it makes me ill, because apparently, it's working for her.  Congrats Kyle!  You win THE BEST SISTER award, and THE BIGGEST VICTIM award too.  Yay you.

Edited February 13, 2015 by Umbelina

[Avaleigh]

All of this tampon talk just brings back memories of the headlines from a recorded phone call between Prince Charles and his then mistress, Camilla,....when he whispered something about wanting to be HER tampon...(does anyone else remember this???)

Lol, not only did he want to be her tampon but he made some other comment about how with his luck he'd be chucked down the loo or something along those lines.

 

Sorry to go OT but I read The Diana Chronicles by Tina Brown and thought the excerpts she lifted from those tapes were kind of funny. Embarrassing as hell of course and I feel sorry for everyone involved but you can't really forget reading Camilla Parker Bowles telling the Prince of Wales to pretend that she is a "rocking horse". 

 

I don't mean to come across like I have a honk if u love junkies bumper sticker on my car but I feel like Kim is being antagonized to the point where it's kind of weird.

 

 

I'm not seeing a show where Kim is being overly antagonized. She was the antagonist on Poker Night in terms of giving the entire a night a kick start with the unacceptable behavior. Brandi joined in at the table and it was Brandi and Kim that started the shitshow that night. Kyle played her part and shouldn't have grabbed Brandi. Brandi more than made up for it by repeatedly getting in Kyle's face, grabbing her, yelling at her, deliberately towering over her, keeping Kim and Kyle from being alone, etc. Kim meanwhile can sit there and pretend that bringing Brandi to the party is a good thing and acts like she doesn't have the sense to know that this would antagonize Kyle.

 

I also don't see LisaR's comments as being antagonistic nor do I think she doesn't want to see Kim get help. Quite the contrary, I think she seems more legitimately concerned about Kim than Brandi Kim's so-called BFF does. Kim was rude to both Eileen and Vince but Eileen hasn't condemned her or really said anything beyond Kim's behavior being weird which, it obviously was so I can't exactly be mad at Eileen here. 

 

The histrionics are not helping.  It's not about "who is the best sister???  who is the GOOD one???" but Kyle keeps trying to make it about that with her screaming and starting fights and gossiping endlessly with her friends.

It's all for cameras, all for Kyle's image, and it makes me ill.

 

 

I feel like Kyle for her part just wants a little bit of loyalty from Kim. Kim certainly expects loyalty from Kyle that's for sure. When Kyle is getting pushed down the stairs by Brandi and Kim is told about it, we see that Kim is worried about her pizza. When Kim hears Brandi say that she's going to knock Kyle's teeth in, Kim doesn't have anything to say not then at the time and not subsequently on her blog or social media. When Brandi makes the dig about Mauricio Kim conveniently doesn't hear it and even then it isn't like she's going to take Brandi to task for saying such things to her sister because Kim doesn't want to get in the middle of her sister and her best friend. 

 

Then I'm supposed to believe that Kim has never had a real friend before Brandi and that's why she's being so loyal to Brandi to the point that she'll speak up for her and say that she doesn't like it when somebody talks about her loved ones? Meanwhile Kim can find the time to chastise Kyle in her blog for not being a "concerned sister?" Is it any wonder that Kyle wants to set the record straight after everything she's done to help Kim? It must feel like repeatedly being slapped in the face for Kim to equate Kyle's efforts over the years with Brandi's recent involvement especially when I consider how transparent Brandi's behavior is when it comes to dealing with Kim. 

[talula]

Step away from your TV and the boards.  No one should be worried about a suicide associated with one of these shows.  Suicide prevention is not in the hands of Bravo or its viewers.  That is way too much to put on one's shoulders.  TV viewing should not cause that kind of angst-except to well paid producers..

 

{snipped here}

 

It is time for the non-addicts to take back the show.  Because otherwise it becomes like a bad season of Dallas, and Pam awakes from her dream.  Kim will NEVER EVER apologize without a tale pages long of how her addiction has been so hard on her and therefore it is just not really her fault.  I say bring on the staff from Celebrity Rehab for the Kim portion of the Reunion. 

IMO discussions about suicide have occurred since it is part of the story line (2 AM call).  Since a former husband of a Bravo RHOBH cast member did so, it doesn't take a rocket scientist to have thoughts that another one might occur.  Especially in light of nothing changing for Kim in real time...still estranged from her sister.  Hopefully she may be privately getting help for addiction in real time?  I am not the only one who feels the addiction theme as the sole bases for RHOBH this season is no longer entertaining.

 

:)  We agree, it's time for the non-addicts to take back the show...if Bravo allows it.  Thank you for your comment.

[talula]

It is time for Bravo to cut Kim and Brandi loose, they need to get back to the original show format, wealthy women enjoying their families, life, each other with some drama but not this over the top garbage from the garbage spreaders like Kim/Brandi. No one can force Kim to get sober, no one can force Brandi to grow up except themselves and neither are interested in making any personal changes, so Bye, Bye IMO.

 

That article was funny, is Brandi trying to do the same as Lisa V did after last season? Have her fans beg her to stay on the show? LOL I am not sure she has enough fans left to rally her into staying. Oh, and she just can't keep herself from throwing  a dig at Leann! GTFU Brandi, GTFU!

Ditto to your post WW...Amen to that! :)

[charming]

I have to laugh at Brandi implying she might leave the show. There's no way she would leave voluntarily unless she had secured herself a spinoff.

 

Brandi and her fans can coo all they want that she's getting the most screentime and has generated a lot of stores. That's understandable due to her outrageous behavior and cruelty. Danielle Staub, Jill Zarin and Taylor Armstrong were the most talked about on their shows too. Every housewife has an expiration date.

 

Andy has said that they analyze what's going on in the life of each housewife and what they can bring to the show the next season. Unless Brandi gets engaged or has a baby I'm not sure what else she can do to retain full time status. We've seen it all at this point.

[WireWrap]

I am ever so glad to finally hear someone say this, Higgins.

 

 

 

Nothing else of substance can replace AA?  Sounds like something only AA would promote, because it just isn't so.  AA is NOT treatment and has no real substance; it is little more than a cult of culture based upon a silly little book written by a religious old drunk many years ago,  IMHO.  There is no scientific basis for any of their claims, nor are there any legitimate studies on how well it does or does not work.

 

Kim and people like her don't need any more platitudes or meetings - they need real medical intervention and proper treatment.  Even then, the odds are against them.

It is a non issue IMO, Betty Ford, AA, NA, whatever program/facility/Dr run rehab you name! If Kim refuses to go nothing will work, if Kim goes but does not believe she needs it or just doesn't want to get clean, it will not succeed no matter where she goes. IMO, the reason that Kim keeps relapsing is that she does not want to do the hard work required to get clean and stay clean. She refuses to take that long hard look into the mirror to see where her problems all start.

 

No, Kyle screaming and frantically trying to physically attack Kim in that limo, so much so that Adrienne had to stop her, but she could not stop the verbal abuse from Kyle (or from Kim.)

 

She always screams, and cries, and throws fits and words and fingers (pointer or middle.)  In what universe is that helpful?  It's just continuing their endless, pathetic, and destructive dance. 

What I said is, IF Kyle had CALMLY answered Brandi instead of frantically defecting and accusing to get sympathy, and any blame from herself, I would have respected her. 

If she CALMLY told Kim she's had enough, and broke that co-defendant chain they have by saying something like

  I would stand up and cheer for her.

 

The histrionics are not helping.  It's not about "who is the best sister???  who is the GOOD one???" but Kyle keeps trying to make it about that with her screaming and starting fights and gossiping endlessly with her friends. 

It's all for cameras, all for Kyle's image, and it makes me ill, because apparently, it's working for her.  Congrats Kyle!  You will THE BEST SISTER award, and THE BIGGEST VICTIM award too.  Yay you.

Of course any histrionics are counter productive as is beating your head against a brick wall. You see Kyle's reactions as nothing more than her trying to get more camera time, you do not see it as a sister that has reached her own personal breaking point but is still afraid to be honest about the cause of her getting there. You don't think it was a big deal that both of her sisters refused to talk to her for a year, that her nieces/nephews did like their parents and that she was vilified by scores of viewers and bloggers after that limo scene. Was Kyle responsible for what she said, of course, as was Kim but more came to poor Kim's defense. So many cried that Kyle "stole" Kim's house right up from under her when she was so very, very, vulnerable, Kyle is the big meanie and Kim is the weak victim. LOL. I was 1 of those people in the beginning myself but seeing "sober" Kim changed my mind. Don't get me wrong, I dislike both sisters there is a special place in hell for Kim IMO. She enjoys torturing Kyle, she loves to get a whining, crying reaction from Kyle. Watch her face while this is going on, Kim is smug, she is enjoying the pain she causes Kyle. Kyle on the other hand is desperate to help/protect Kim and wants, needs Kim to be the big protective sister just once. It isn't going to happen IMO, Kim will never be there for Kyle, no matter why she needs her, Kim will never be for Kyle what Kim demands for herself, clean or sober, Kim is cruel.

[Umbelina]

I've seen ZERO evidence that Kyle has tried to protect Kim in any way this season.  None. 

 

Bravo looks at which wives bring the discussion, which ones get the majority of press, and which ones bring story.  Brandi and Kim aren't going anywhere.

 

If the others step up and do something other than make lunch or see a kid off to school, or talking about Kim and/or Brandi?  Things could change.

 

Jill Zarin was fired mostly for being a complete pain in the ass behind the scenes, the embarrassing Amazongate, and other off camera stuff.  Danielle Staub tried to do a lawsuit.  Bravo loves it's sister wars.

Edited February 13, 2015 by Umbelina

[zoeysmom]

IMO discussions about suicide have occurred since it is part of the story line (2 AM call).  Since a former husband of a Bravo RHOBH cast member did so, it doesn't take a rocket scientist to have thoughts that another one might occur.  Especially in light of nothing changing for Kim in real time...still estranged from her sister.  Hopefully she may be privately getting help for addiction in real time?  I am not the only one who feels the addiction theme as the sole bases for RHOBH this season is no longer entertaining.

 

:)  We agree, it's time for the non-addicts to take back the show...if Bravo allows it.  Thank you for your comment.

My issue is simply Brandi saying Kim would kill her and then kill herself is not really evidence of a suicide threat.  I can guarantee you if Kim called Brandi at 2 am and said she was going to commit suicide and we are suppose to believe that she called Kyle with that information and Kyle said, "oh that is just Kim,"  there would be more of an outcry by Brandi.  More importantly what did Brandi do to help Kim with her credible suicide threat.

 

Russell and his business partner committed suicide because they were looking at prison for a series of fraudulent financial dealings. It would be very strange a business partner would commit suicide because his partner was about to be exposed for spousal abuse.  Especially one who had previous cases against him and been part of the tabloid fodder.  It had nothing to do with Bravo.  There are so few cases of adult suicide where the employer's is held responsible. Maybe I am tainted because I got sick and tired of reading how Bravo was to blame for Giudices' mess and either Joe or Teresa was suicidal and it was all the show's fault. Because I find Brandi a serial exaggerator and out and out liar I do believe there was a lot of dramatic license in Brandi's rendition to Lisar.

 

If what the producers were trying to do is produce a show where one of the storylines is secrets or gossiping about another this whole line of secrets stinks.  Just as rumors of infidelity stink..

[WireWrap]

I've seen ZERO evidence that Kyle has tried to protect Kim in any way this season.  None. 

 

Bravo looks at which wives bring the discussion, which ones get the majority of press, and which ones bring story.  Brandi and Kim aren't going anywhere.

 

If the others step up and do something other than make lunch or see a kid off to school, or talking about Kim and/or Brandi?  Things could change.

 

Jill Zarin was fired mostly for being a complete pain in the ass behind the scenes, the embarrassing Amazongate, and other off camera stuff.  Danielle Staub tried to do a lawsuit.  Bravo loves it's sister wars.

Jill was fired for going against production orders, not for anything else. They, including Andy, told her to not "invent" a fight with Bethenny but she did anyway. She went directly against the producers and Andy which in turn got her fired.

 

What exactly has Kyle said to "out" Kim this season? Exactly what secrets of Kim did Kyle say on camera/mic? I myself can't remember her doing any at all. She has whined/cried/yelled at Kim because Kim refuses to tell Kyle why she is mad at her and why she is not shutting Brandi down when Brandi gets ugly toward/about her (Kyle) but shuts Kyle down if she says Brandi is wrong! Should Kyle back off? YES, YES, YES but she is not the cause, that lies at the feet of Kim/Brandi! They start it and Idiot Kyle reacts. Yes, Kyle is wrong to react but the majority of blame belongs with the instigators.....Kim and Brandi!  And I refuse to accept that they get a pass because 1 is as high as a kite and the other nasty and or drunk nasty, that was their choice to make. No one forced pills or booze down their throats!

Edited February 13, 2015 by WireWrap

[Persnickety1]

I've seen ZERO evidence that Kyle has tried to protect Kim in any way this season.  None. 

 

Bravo looks at which wives bring the discussion, which ones get the majority of press, and which ones bring story.  Brandi and Kim aren't going anywhere.

 

If the others step up and do something other than make lunch or see a kid off to school, or talking about Kim and/or Brandi?  Things could change.

 

Jill Zarin was fired mostly for being a complete pain in the ass behind the scenes, the embarrassing Amazongate, and other off camera stuff.  Danielle Staub tried to do a lawsuit.  Bravo loves it's sister wars.

 

I'd consider not calling her out at the table on Poker Night a way of trying to protect her.  Everyone could tell Kim was all fucked up.

 

I'd consider changing the subject in the kitchen back to her inability to play poker rather than discussing what Kim said to her in the bathroom a way of trying to protect her.  

 

I'd also consider repeatedly advising her to cover her microphone in the bathroom after Kim followed her in there a way of protecting her.

 

There are probably more.  I just don't have time nor desire to list them all.  

Edited February 13, 2015 by Persnickety1

[rho]

It is time for Bravo to cut Kim and Brandi loose, they need to get back to the original show format, wealthy women enjoying their families, life, each other with some drama but not this over the top garbage from the garbage spreaders like Kim/Brandi. No one can force Kim to get sober, no one can force Brandi to grow up except themselves and neither are interested in making any personal changes, so Bye, Bye IMO.

 

That article was funny, is Brandi trying to do the same as Lisa V did after last season? Have her fans beg her to stay on the show? LOL I am not sure she has enough fans left to rally her into staying. Oh, and she just can't keep herself from throwing  a dig at Leann! GTFU Brandi, GTFU!

 

If I want to watch low class woman throw drinks at each other while living off their reality TV salaries, I'd stick around for Vanderpump Rules. The drama is taking center stage and that's not the escapism I was promised. Next season needs a serious overhaul before this show turns into an overpriced Celebrity Rehab ripoff. What Bravo should have done was march right up to Adrienne's and Lisa's old Beverly Park houses and offer the new tenants a spot on the show. Or bring back Marisa Zanuck and Dana. At this point I'd rather watch an hour long montage of everyone asking Dana how much her glasses cost, than the Brandi and Kim show that Bravo is churning out.

[talula]

My issue is simply Brandi saying Kim would kill her and then kill herself is not really evidence of a suicide threat.  I can guarantee you if Kim called Brandi at 2 am and said she was going to commit suicide and we are suppose to believe that she called Kyle with that information and Kyle said, "oh that is just Kim,"  there would be more of an outcry by Brandi.  More importantly what did Brandi do to help Kim with her credible suicide threat.

 

Russell and his business partner committed suicide because they were looking at prison for a series of fraudulent financial dealings. It would be very strange a business partner would commit suicide because his partner was about to be exposed for spousal abuse.  Especially one who had previous cases against him and been part of the tabloid fodder.  It had nothing to do with Bravo.  There are so few cases of adult suicide where the employer's is held responsible. Maybe I am tainted because I got sick and tired of reading how Bravo was to blame for Giudices' mess and either Joe or Teresa was suicidal and it was all the show's fault. Because I find Brandi a serial exaggerator and out and out liar I do believe there was a lot of dramatic license in Brandi's rendition to Lisar.

 

If what the producers were trying to do is produce a show where one of the storylines is secrets or gossiping about another this whole line of secrets stinks.  Just as rumors of infidelity stink..

Yes, my concerns were when Brandi said Kim would die and then alluded to LisaR's  concerns about something has to happen to Kim with, "more than you know." Whatever the 2 AM call from Kim to Brandi was about we won't find out, but if Kyle got Brandi to say what it was about on air, Kyle knew it would "end" the Kim/Brandi friendship/dependency...IMO it must have been heavy duty.  I agree this line of secrets stinks.

Edited February 13, 2015 by RealityTVSmack1

[zoeysmom]

No, Kyle screaming and frantically trying to physically attack Kim in that limo, so much so that Adrienne had to stop her, but she could not stop the verbal abuse from Kyle (or from Kim.)

 

She always screams, and cries, and throws fits and words and fingers (pointer or middle.)  In what universe is that helpful?  It's just continuing their endless, pathetic, and destructive dance. 

What I said is, IF Kyle had CALMLY answered Brandi instead of frantically defecting and accusing to get sympathy, and any blame from herself, I would have respected her. 

If she CALMLY told Kim she's had enough, and broke that co-defendant chain they have by saying something like

  I would stand up and cheer for her.

 

The histrionics are not helping.  It's not about "who is the best sister???  who is the GOOD one???" but Kyle keeps trying to make it about that with her screaming and starting fights and gossiping endlessly with her friends. 

It's all for cameras, all for Kyle's image, and it makes me ill, because apparently, it's working for her.  Congrats Kyle!  You win THE BEST SISTER award, and THE BIGGEST VICTIM award too.  Yay you.

The limo scene was five years ago let us all move on.

 

I have seen Kyle cry, I have seen her raise her voice, I have never seen her throw a fit.  The finger pointing and talking with the their hands that Kim, Brandi and Kyle do is all annoying.  I think the double bird was the first one for Kyle and I got her frustration after Kim just let Brandi get by with another insult directed at her sister. 

 

Brandi persisted in getting between the sisters, it was Kyle who took off her shoes and walked away when Brandi got violent, Kyle started the dialogue to resolve the issue with an apology with a but.  Kyle has denied that she  said anything of the kind to Brandi about "that's Kim."  Since Kyle was blindsided the night of the Gay Mixer by Kim not standing up for her after just having a conversation with Kim about being there for her -when exactly was she suppose to work this giving up on her for her own peace of mind conversation?

 

I don't think Kyle is in competition with her sister or sisters as to who is the best sister.  I think she expects her sister to comport herself in a manner that does not hurt Kyle of her family.  Where is Kyle gossiping endlessly with her friends?  It seems Kim is the one gossiping with Brandi.  Their co-workers keep getting the side show that is Kim and Brandi vs. Kyle.  I have not heard Kyle utter any gossip about Kim she did tell Yolanda about the doings with Brandi.  In all honesty when it is filmed I don't really think they are gossiping.   The only ones I see vying for victim crowns are Kim and Brandi.

[Giselle]

 

Andy has said that they analyze what's going on in the life of each housewife and what they can bring to the show the next season. Unless Brandi gets engaged or has a baby I'm not sure what else she can do to retain full time status. We've seen it all at this point.

 

 Good God! Don't put that out in the universe! :-O

[mbaywife123]

As I said back on the first page, stop making any comments about HER, I know it feels good because 99.9% of us all feel the same way, but if we just stop "talking" about HER maybe she will fade away.

[Otherkate]

If I want to watch low class woman throw drinks at each other while living off their reality TV salaries, I'd stick around for Vanderpump Rules. The drama is taking center stage and that's not the escapism I was promised. 

 

I get what you're saying, but VR is actually a boatload of fun. Somehow it's ridiculousness is just...just straight up joy. The boards are lighthearted and fun too. I'm a new convert and I'm loving it.

[AnnA]

 

I don't think Kyle is in competition with her sister or sisters as to who is the best sister.  I think she expects her sister to comport herself in a manner that does not hurt Kyle of her family.    

 

The only ones I see vying for victim crowns are Kim and Brandi.

 

As I read through this thread tonight, the difference of opinions really made me think and start debating with myself.  One minute I was in complete agreement with a poster and the next minute found myself agreeing with someone who had an entirely different take on things.  I agree with so much of what everyone has said that it's making me dizzy.  However, I don't see Kyle the same way you do.  I think Kyle is always in competition to be the "best"  at everything with everyone. If after all that's happened, Kyle expects Kim to behave appropriately she's either kidding herself or vying for one of those victim crowns.

Edited February 13, 2015 by AnnA

[AnnA]

Kim and people like her don't need any more platitudes or meetings - they need real medical intervention and proper treatment.  Even then, the odds are against them.

 

What Kim needs is to hit rock bottom and that won't happen as long as she's being paid a handsome salary on RHOBH.   Bravo and everyone else has been enabling her for years.  I was glad to see Lisa Renna's reaction.  I hope she calls her out and makes her face reality.  So far, everyone else has been walking on eggs whenever Kim is around.

[AuntieDiane6]

What I find interesting is that Kyle lives in what appears to be a "modest" house and not some McMansion or Malibu beach house.  It's like a TV sitcom house almost!

[charming]

Kyle's house seems so small from the front but in the aerial view it looks much bigger. I would like a thorough tour of it even though I would subject myself to Faye's decorating.

[motorcitymom65]

 

 

A thought came to me this morning.   IF Bravo had been filming when whatever Kim was saying or doing scared the shit out of Brandi at 2AM, and Kyle got the call, I think Kyle would have fixed her makeup, put on something too tight, possibly sparkly, called BRAVO to arrange filming, brushed out her hair until it shined, and THEN run to Kim's house, camera's in tow.  If not that, the next day, she would certainly make sure we heard about how HARD it was for her, but she's such a saint she had to run to help Kim in, for several episodes. 

 

As it was though?  They weren't filming, and Kyle didn't give a shit.  She went back to sleep.  Brandi is right about that one.  Her reasons could be "been there, done that" but still, she didn't give a shit.  I believe that did shock the crap out of Brandi, and that she was scared for Kim.  There is a lot of fear in a situation like that, and it can make you angry to be afraid. 

 

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Brandi is right? She is the one telling the truth? Is this the same Brandi who lied about a lawsuit for an entire season? The same Brandi who looked Adrienne straight in the eye and said "yes" when Adrienne asked her very specifically if SHE had received a letter from Adrienne's attorney? The same Brandi who very casually threw out at the reunion that she hadn't actually received a letter, but her friend had?

Honestly, it is fair enough that the limo reveal gets discussed. It is relevant because it speaks to the history of what has gone before with Kim and Kyle. I get that. But if it is fair to revisit one terrible night, when emotions were out of control and hurt and anger was passed around by both sisters, it is also fair enough to remember some of Brandi's history with regard to the truth. All of her statements and allegations should come with a disclaimer IMO.

[zoeysmom]

As I read through this thread tonight, the difference of opinions really made me think and start debating with myself.  One minute I was in complete agreement with a poster and the next minute found myself agreeing with someone who had an entirely different take on things.  I agree with so much of what everyone has said that it's making me dizzy.  However, I don't see Kyle the same way you do.  I think Kyle is always in competition to be the "best"  at everything with everyone. If after all that's happened, Kyle expects Kim to behave appropriately she's either kidding herself or vying for one of those victim crowns.

I never saw Kyle as competing with everyone, I saw her more as the one trying to keep the band together until this dust up with Brandi.  I'll have to see her through that competition lens.  Where there is no competition for Kyle is loudest most obnoxious laugh and worst poker player-Lisar gave her a bit of a run there.  I hate it when she hee-haws and quickest to cry. I truly believed that Kyle started the season fairly excited that she was in a good place with everyone-even Lisav.  Kim's behavior at Poker Night blindsided me.  Last I saw them together they were shopping and lunching and laughing, next thing you know Kim is calling Kyle stupid..