S05.E13: Sister Act

[motorcitymom65]

Whether she meant the other Hos were talking about Bella or the tabs were, is something I can't determine by what I saw.  But the way Yolanda makes it seem that she's okay with her teen son going to a beach party where there was lots of booze, Bella's DUI and her friendship with boozy Brandi - I can see the Hos gossiping about Yolanda's perfect kids and how they're headed for trouble.  No one is immune from the wagging tongues. Yolanda has a target on her back because up until the time she had to cop to Bella's DUI, she wants everyone to see perfection.

 

Gossiping about each other?  Sure. I can see Kyle chatting this very morning with Yolanda about how disheveled and bratty Lisa Rinna's daughter was last night in comparison to their own Better Versions of Themselves.  LOL.  NO ONE is immune.  So, yeah.  Maybe Brandi meant the other Hos were the ones talking about Bella.

Yea, it's hard to completely know who Brandi was referring too.  Since her comment followed Yo saying she had been talking with the "girls" and that they had shared some of Brandi's recent behavior, it seemed like Brandi was trying to say "yea, but they are talking about your daughter as well, and since you know that the stuff they are saying is not true, then...."

[ghoulina]

I hope Kyle reimburses the restaurant where she had her gay mixer for all those nice, white linens she adorned with her mascara. 

 

Anyhow, I think Lisa R is totally on the money. Anyone who pussyfoots around Kim and doesn't call her out on her BS is enabling her. She seemed to be the only one who was quite clear about the fact that Kim's behavior is because she's using again. She didn't just take ONE pain pill. She's clearly off the wagon and the sooner people address that, the better. Of course, confronting her may not help either. She may never get truly better. But ignoring and making excuses isn't going to help. 

 

Brandi is the worst. She wants to keep going on and on about how tough things are for Kim, and act like she totally gets it. Well, she probably does....because she's an alcoholic too. She can make all the excuses she wants - I take care of my kids, I have my weekly podcast, there's no way I could do all that if I were an alcoholic. Well, actually, yes you could. There ARE functioning alcoholics. But she's always trying to minimize and point the finger in the other direction - like saying KYLE was the drunk one at the mixer. Because she (Brandi) had only been there 20 minutes and only had time for one glass of wine. Well, it's not like you couldn't have been drinking prior to the event. But what I want to know is, how did you ascertain that Kyle was "drunk" when, as you say, you'd only been there 20 minutes? FTR, I didn't think either of them looked particularly inebriated. Kyle was just super emotional and Brandi was nasty, as she is 24-7. Kim was the one who seemed out of it. 

 

However, I don't buy that she didn't hear the Mauricio comment. When they replayed that scene, I saw a look pass over her face. She heard it. She chose to say nothing. Fuck you, Kim. 

 

And the Oscar goes to......Stranger at the Pentagon!!! LOL, seriously, what was that? Was it supposed to be campy and mocking? I was dying laughing at all of the women's reactions. And it was really nice to see them bellying up to the concession stand and eating hot dogs. 

 

I may have been to quick to judge Lisa and the situation with Max. Or perhaps I will just go back and forth. But I thought the scene with her and Pandora in the market was very touching. It was quite clear how much they love him and worry about him. And, having never been in that situation, I have no room to judge, but it seems like even after 20 something years you can still feel insecure as the adoptive family. I appreciated that Lisa informed Pandora that they would do whatever they had to in order to support Max, so hopefully that was genuine. 

Edited February 11, 2015 by ghoulina

[zoeysmom]

I think it's funny how everyone thinks of Kyle as the "successful one". So Kyle has a marriage, so what. Why would Kim be jealous of Kyle? Think about it, their other sister is Kathy Hilton. They run in circles with extremely wealthy people, and yet Kim should be so jealous of Kyle because she is married and has a family? To me it seems like Kyle paints herself as being the one who is successful to make herself feel better. Bravo helps pay for things for her to help perpectuate this image of a highly successful person because they want drama. 

 

Kyle and Moricio are the least successful people on the show, besides Kim and Brandi. And it is Kyle who is constantly putting Kim down to others, not the other way around. Kim has confided in Brandi, and it pisses Kyle off, but she needs to get over it. 

Kyle has always had a large number of friends.  Kim presently has one-Brandi.  Kyle has always had a great relationship with her children and both sisters' children.  Kim just isn't that close.  Most of all I think what Kim is jealous of is Kyle's sobriety.  I think at this point in the show no one needs to put Kim down she has done a dan good job of it herself.

[SwordQueen]

Thank you, motorcitymom65, I didn't think anyone had, but I wasn't sure.  I also didn't know that Tampongate happened during filming.  Interesting.  I'm glad the ladies decided that it wasn't worth mentioning.  She's sure not worth protecting, but her children are. I just think it's so low to 'go there' with the other women regarding their families and I'm almost convinced that she's doing it *because* she knows they aren't going there.  Like, she wants to poke at them and she knows she can get away with it, and at the same time, if they decide to come at her, she can cry 'single mother over 40' victimhood again and claim she is being ganged up on or bullied.  She seems to be sly like a fox and has all her bases covered with this.  I'm worried about what she's going to do to Lisa R. since she doesn't seem to be able to ruffle Eileen's feathers.  : (   lol  

 

I think all of the HW talk about each other, amongst each other.  But I don't think it's as malicious as all that.  Brandi is just trying to <makes stirring hand motions> stir the pot.  I'm sure they talked, but saying that she's an "alcoholic"?  A teenager who got too drunk once and became stupid and decided to drive?  I don't buy it.  But her listening comprehension sucks since most of the points the HWs try to make about her drinking (ie. You're an ass when you drink and you annoy us, so stop it) go right over her empty head.  It was a very manipulative move on her part -- Camille must have given her 'The Art of War: For Dummies' edition to study.

 

Yeah, so I don't know how I'm going to make it through Season 3.  My patience for Brandi is so in the negative that I'm already having to borrow against any patience I'd have for her next Season, should BRAVO decide to inflict her on us, again.   

Edited February 11, 2015 by SwordQueen

[imjagain]

Loved the film festival lol, it seemed like cheesy fun. The ladies all looked to be having a good time.

Lisa R is easy to like, she is just fun. I'm not looking forward to Kim going after Lisa R.

I love Eileen's I don't give s damn face, lol.

I did feel bad for her when she talked about losing her sister 4 months ago.

Edited February 11, 2015 by imjagain

[Wendy]

Kim must be sick to her stomach today, that is if she saw the episode at all.

 

I wonder if she would write a blog and if she will continue to make excuses for Brandi. Talk about betting on the wrong horse.

 

Today we know the depths of Kim's addictions and are specualting about her getting some of Monty's patches for pain, we are specualting about kim killing herself if her sobriety ever gets question, we also know that she has relapsed (probably on the painkillers) all courtesy of her BFF Brandi.

 

Boy, with friends like Brandi who needs enemies.

[copacabana]

The Richards sisters are a desolate machine.

 

 

Yes, they are.  It's becoming unwatchable.  

[motorcitymom65]

Loved the film festival lol, it seemed like cheesy fun. The ladies all looked to be having a good time.

Lisa R is easy to like, she is just fun. I'm not looking forward to Kim going after Lisa R.

I love Eileen's I don't give s damn face, lol.

I did feel bad for her when she talked about losing her sister 4 months ago.

My favorite part of the episode was Lisa R, Lisa V, and Kyle lining up to see what kind of grub they wanted at the festival, and asking for recommendations. Did they all share that one hot dog? It looked like it because there was consensus that it needed mustard.  More of this please. 

[ryebread]

I may have been to quick to judge Lisa and the situation with Max. Or perhaps I will just go back and forth. But I thought the scene with her and Pandora in the market was very touching. It was quite clear how much they love him and worry about him. And, having never been in that situation, I have no room to judge, but it seems like even after 20 something years you can still feel insecure as the adoptive family. I appreciated that Lisa informed Pandora that they would do whatever they had to in order to support Max, so hopefully that was genuine. 

I agree.  As a family they're handling this subject well.  I mean, if you're going to air personal laundry on this show and they all do, I think it's coming off as authentic.

 

Yeah, so I don't know how I'm going to make it through Season 3.  My patience for Brandi is so in the negative that I'm already having to borrow against any patience I'd have for her next Season, should BRAVO decide to inflict her on us, again.   

I'm about done.  I find myself not paying full attention to any scene Brandi, Kim and Kyle are in and then when I read here, I realize I've missed important parts of the dialogue that includes the others and I find myself going back to watch for the second time.  Ain't nobody got time for that.

 

When Kim and Kyle were going on last night with Eileen looking like she wanted to be anywhere else?  It was the first time I've ever actually muted the television.  Brandi and Kim should go.  And Kyle needs to stop blubbering and acting a fool.  If she does, she can stay. I can't stand her or Kim's voices.  I've been reading the Vanderpump Rules thread.  Is this what you guys mean by 'vocal fry'?

[Avaleigh]

Brandi is a toxic trick Vivica Fox. I don't want to give her anymore attention so I'll just say that I agree with those who think that Kim will rue the day that she ever told her anything. I don't feel sorry for Kim at all because Kim disliked Brandi for years until it suited her purpose. It shouldn't be some great surprise to Kim that her new best friend is a treacherous and disloyal opportunist. I don't know if it'll happen before the reunion or after but I predict Kim milking the hell out of having been betrayed by Brandi.

 

As for LisaR I don't think she's out of line when she says that people should stop dancing around the issue of Kim's addictions.

 

I really disliked it when Kim said, "What did I ever do to [Kyle]?" Kim has an elephant's memory when it comes to personal slights but when it comes to other people she's completely thoughtless and selfish.

 

I suffered from a bit of second hand embarrassment during the stuff with Eileen and the Burbank Film Festival. I get that it wasn't supposed to be taken to seriously but the interviewer doesn't even know which shows she's on? (I don't even think One Life to Live is on anymore.) Then there was the clip* we saw of the movie itself. I'm surprised that she wanted people to see that. I cringed at the polite bitchiness from the other women but these are the sorts of moments that I like to see on the show. It kind of speaks to the idea of there being a show business hierarchy without any of the women having to actually say anything about it.

 

*Seriously, what the hell was that? The reactions from the other ladies were priceless.

[cooksdelight]

Anyone notice that Kyle has the hands of an old woman? Her face belies her age, but her hands, not so much.

So does Brandi. I'd never noticed it until she put her hand up to cover her face in the boardroom on CA. Those lights in there are not kind, and I really saw old lady hands when she did that.

I rewatched the Burbank Film Festival scenes this morning, just to get my day off to a fun start. I wish we'd have just those four ladies, and they'd do fun and goofy stuff every week. Ratings would soar.

[mwell345]

I'll have to post my thoughts later.

 

Right now, I am burning sage and praying fervently to the Bravo gods to spare us from an intervention that in any way, shape or form, involves Brandi.

[SwordQueen]

Boy, with friends like Brandi who needs enemies.

 

 

Bitch is sly, I'm telling you.  Relationships with her come with a BOGO sale; buy a friend, get an enemy.  She sucks up to people to get attention and dirt.  Then when she stops getting the attention, she spills the dirt. 

[motorcitymom65]

Thank you, motorcitymom65, I didn't think anyone had, but I wasn't sure.  I also didn't know that Tampongate happened during filming.  Interesting.  I'm glad the ladies decided that it wasn't worth mentioning.  She's sure not worth protecting, but her children are. I just think it's so low to 'go there' with the other women regarding their families and I'm almost convinced that she's doing it *because* she knows they aren't going there.  Like, she wants to poke at them and she knows she can get away with it, and at the same time, if they decide to come at her, she can cry 'single mother over 40' victimhood again and claim she is being ganged up on or bullied.  She seems to be sly like a fox and has all her bases covered with this.  I'm worried about what she's going to do to Lisa R. since she doesn't seem to be able to ruffle Eileen's feathers.  : (   lol  

 

Yeah, so I don't know how I'm going to make it through Season 3.  My patience for Brandi is so in the negative that I'm already having to borrow against any patience I'd have for her next Season, should BRAVO decide to inflict her on us, again.   

My concern is that eventually someone will "go there" with regard to Brandi, and i will hate it. Someone sent a tweet to Kyle last week saying something about how they would have had a nasty response to Brandi about the Mauricio comment, and Kyle said "believe me, I could say plenty". She never has, not even in the limo this week when Lisa R was going on about how Brandi must be an alcoholic. Kyle didn't engage in any of that talk, instead saying that Brandi was angry and an asshole. Fair enough. 

 

SwordQueen, when you watch S3, there is another "incident" that happened during filming that got a lot of media attention right when it happened. It was an encounter between Brandi and JR at Kyle's White Party. This was the first night that they met, and they spent some time in the bathroom attached to Portia's bedroom. Apparently the cameras had been put away for the night, but when folks heard noises from the bathroom and started crowding around, the cameras came back on. Lisa was alerted to the commotion and went into the bathroom and apparently pulled Brandi out. Brandi said they were just making out, and Lisa confirmed it at the time. Later, once they had had their argument, Lisa seemed to indicate that it was much more than that. 

 

I don't care what Brandi was doing in the bathroom. She is a grown ass, single woman and JR is a grown ass single man. Have at it, be safe, and have fun. The thing is, all of the HW's refused to talk badly about Brandi at the time. One of the HW's that was no longer on the show  - Dana/Pam - was giving interview after interview talking about how disgusting the whole thing was and how Brandi was being protected by the others and by Bravo. She said she knew there was no way Bravo would show us the footage or the conversations that were going on about the event because they didn't want to paint Brandi in a light to be judged. The other gals simply wouldn't go there, again because I believe that didn't want to make a big deal out of something that might have shown harsh light on Brandi the mother. It ended up being brought up at the end of S3 by the horrible Faye, but none of the ladies would back her up or engage in any allegations against Brandi. 

[ryebread]

The other gals simply wouldn't go there, again because I believe that didn't want to make a big deal out of something that might have shown harsh light on Brandi the mother. It ended up being brought up at the end of S3 by the horrible Faye, but none of the ladies would back her up or engage in any allegations against Brandi. 

 

And so it goes.  This is why I have a hard time liking any of 'em.  I mean, what they do makes for good TV but makes for crappy human beings.  Sure they appeared to be poking good fun at Eileen's movie but had that been anybody else, I think it wouldn't have been all in good fun. It might have been mean/vicious.  And we might have agreed with them.  In the case of Brandi, I'm sure some of us would have agreed with them. 

 

The fickleness is starting to bug.  When you're in with the cool kids and you do anything wrong/questionable, it's merely considered quirky behavior or a momentary lapse.   Next season all is forgiven.  But hold onto yer hats because that won't last.  I'm glad my real life friendships aren't this way.  I'd be running on Xanax, too.

[Rhetorica]

Anyone notice that Kyle has the hands of an old woman? Her face belies her age, but her hands, not so much.

I also noticed a fold on the outside of her upper eyes. I don't think the sparkle eye shadow helped conceal it.

[mwell345]

 

I rewatched the Burbank Film Festival scenes this morning, just to get my day off to a fun start. I wish we'd have just those four ladies, and they'd do fun and goofy stuff every week. Ratings would soar.

 

And there you have it.  I thought the same thing when I was watching. Give me these ladies doing whatever they do.  I don't want to watch drunks and dysfunction. 

 

Kim and Brandi drag down every scene they are in.

[zoeysmom]

Kim is praying for Lisar.  http://www.allabouttrh.com/kim-richards-says-praying-lisa-rinna-calls-wrong/

[Neurochick]

Man, if she said that about my daughter, I'd kick her the fuck outta my house immediately & never speak to her again.  Yo, WTF???  You're gonna let her put out that your daughter is an alcoholic?  I'm more disturbed by Yo than I am by Brandi.  Why the hell didn't Yo boot her outta her house after Brandi not-so-indirectly suggested her daughter is an alcoholic?  That was beyond heinous.

 

 

I'm confused.  Being an alcoholic isn't the same thing as being a serial killer.  So Yolanda should have started screaming at Brandi because she said that "other people" said her daughter could be an alcoholic?  That wouldn't have made sense, especially since Yolanda said that alcoholism is a disease, what sense would it make if she started screaming at Brandi?  I think Yolanda should have told Brandi that her daughter is young, and sometimes young people do have too much to drink and do stupid things, and hopefully when they get older, they stop.  I don't know if Yolanda's daughter is an alcoholic.  I wouldn't call someone that just because they got a DUI, besides she's pretty young.  

 

Brandi is another story.  I don't know if Brandi is an alcoholic, but I do think that Brandi drinks when she feels anxious, when she's around people who intimidate her.  I think Brandi uses alcohol for liquid courage.  The problem is (and here is where she might have an issue) is that once Brandi starts drinking, she doesn't know when to stop and she keeps drinking until she slurring her words and saying inappropriate things.  I think these women intimidate Brandi.  Brandi was a model when she was younger, maybe people told her that she'd marry a prince and live happily every after.  However she married a cheating douchebag and got dumped.  Now she's resentful, why did that happen to her?  How could a man cheat on someone as beautiful as she?  That's probably what Brandi thinks, she seems to be an angry woman, which could be another reason she drinks.

Edited February 11, 2015 by Neurochick

[mwell345]

 

Kim is praying for Lisar.  http://www.allaboutt...na-calls-wrong/

 

I can think of dozens of people Kim should be praying for, starting with herself.  She continues to be more and more pathetic.

[hottesthw]

What's really pathetic is that this was all filmed quite a while ago and yet we've not read one story about Kim going back to rehab or getting any help. So she was clearly using during filming and by now is doing god knows what. I'm not sure how filming of the reunion fits into the time line of things but I'm willing to bet Kim either checks herself in somewhere to avoid being there, or that's when we find out she did go away for help around that time if it was in the past. No way will Kim sit thru that reunion and face the music. No way.

[SwordQueen]

My concern is that eventually someone will "go there" with regard to Brandi, and i will hate it. Someone sent a tweet to Kyle last week saying something about how they would have had a nasty response to Brandi about the Mauricio comment, and Kyle said "believe me, I could say plenty". She never has, not even in the limo this week when Lisa R was going on about how Brandi must be an alcoholic. Kyle didn't engage in any of that talk, instead saying that Brandi was angry and an asshole. Fair enough. 

 

SwordQueen, when you watch S3, there is another "incident" that happened during filming that got a lot of media attention right when it happened. It was an encounter between Brandi and JR at Kyle's White Party. This was the first night that they met, and they spent some time in the bathroom attached to Portia's bedroom. Apparently the cameras had been put away for the night, but when folks heard noises from the bathroom and started crowding around, the cameras came back on. Lisa was alerted to the commotion and went into the bathroom and apparently pulled Brandi out. Brandi said they were just making out, and Lisa confirmed it at the time. Later, once they had had their argument, Lisa seemed to indicate that it was much more than that. 

 

I don't care what Brandi was doing in the bathroom. She is a grown ass, single woman and JR is a grown ass single man. Have at it, be safe, and have fun. The thing is, all of the HW's refused to talk badly about Brandi at the time. One of the HW's that was no longer on the show  - Dana/Pam - was giving interview after interview talking about how disgusting the whole thing was and how Brandi was being protected by the others and by Bravo. She said she knew there was no way Bravo would show us the footage or the conversations that were going on about the event because they didn't want to paint Brandi in a light to be judged. The other gals simply wouldn't go there, again because I believe that didn't want to make a big deal out of something that might have shown harsh light on Brandi the mother. It ended up being brought up at the end of S3 by the horrible Faye, but none of the ladies would back her up or engage in any allegations against Brandi. 

 

Well, damn.  lol   Definitely going to have to be on the lookout for that scene, thanks for the heads up.  Poor Pandora's bathroom.  Okay, and so this makes me have a little more respect for Lisa, Kyle and whoever else decided not to say anything.  Because while they may be fickle or hypocritical, it seems like they decided together not bring it up on air and they've kept to that.  Now I almost get why Kyle sputters and points that finger when she's so angry -- there's sooo much for her to say, but I guess is trying to keep it in and so every other part of her body goes haywire. 

 

Man, those two (High and Higher) are just sucking (or snorting) the enjoyment right out of this franchise. 

[mbutterfly]

I just watched it. I sort of loved Pandi and Lisa's reaction to Max's search. 

[HumblePi]

Brandi's prayer: "Dear Lord, please let Kyle Richards move to Colorado, and never come back".  Then later, "After thinking about it, Colorado may be too close. Maybe West Africa, in that city where Ebola started." Okay Brandi, we get it, you're over-the-top-crazy and you think you're being outrageous or 'cute-ish' or something and it just isn't cute or funny to wish a horrible death on anyone. You're just not funny, period. You just look more and more trashy and emotionally stunted. I never had any feelings either way about Eddie Cibrian but now I almost feel sorry for him having been stuck with Brandi for eight years. She's still trying to create trouble between Eddie and Lee Ann. She's a man's living nightmare that doesn't go away. Brandi isn't able to move forward with her life. She's a bitter woman scorned and we all know the saying about Hell having no fury like her. Brandi has nothing, absolutely nothing to fall back on. If she didn't have any role to play in Housewives, what would she do? She's too old to model. She can make appearances on shows like Watch What's Happening Live, or some daytime talk show. But people will forget who she is once she's gone from Housewives, then she'll have nothing marketable. She has no talent, her looks are fading with age and she's nasty to the core. We have enough of that in our lives and don't need to watch that on TV too.

 

I have to draw a line when it comes to women being spiteful and deliberately trying to hurt someone with words and actually wishing they die a horrible death. It doesn't matter if Brandi says "oh, I was only kidding!", as she usually does. Wishing something like Ebola on another human isn't funny and never will be funny.

 

I have a footnote for Bravo. When your viewers are DVR-ing these episodes and have the ability to fast forward over the portions of the show that are boring or that we're just sick of seeing over and over again, and the overall viewing time winds up being less that 10 minutes of actual watchable material, then you need to take a step back and really consider making some deep cuts in the cast and work on finding their replacements. I'd actually like to watch the entire 60 minutes of a one-hour episode but I DVR it and wind up fast forwarding through Brandi, Kim, Yolanda and most of Kyle's cry-facing.

 

Brandi's antics are old stuff already. We've seen and heard it all from her. It's not only getting old, it's getting downright annoying. She should really try to find a better way to make a living besides being a nasty woman, then she's going to end up on the streets in West Hollywood turning tricks. Like others here, I've had it with both Kim and Brandi. I wish Bravo would bid adieu to both of them and inject some new blood into the Beverly Hills housewives with a couple of new characters. I'd nominate Fay Resnick and Denise Richards to start with. There's sufficient juicy pasts between the two of them to give us entertainment for years.

Edited February 11, 2015 by HumblePi

[motorcitymom65]

What's really pathetic is that this was all filmed quite a while ago and yet we've not read one story about Kim going back to rehab or getting any help. So she was clearly using during filming and by now is doing god knows what. I'm not sure how filming of the reunion fits into the time line of things but I'm willing to bet Kim either checks herself in somewhere to avoid being there, or that's when we find out she did go away for help around that time if it was in the past. No way will Kim sit thru that reunion and face the music. No way.

Was thinking the same thing. That Kim will decide to go to rehab about the time the reunion is filmed.  Andy asked for reunion questions on FB last week, so we are probably about two weeks away from that event.

 

One thing to watch will be if Kim continues to blog or not. She didn't blog last week, but I was surprised that she did after the Poker Night. During S2, Kim didn't blog the entire season, and later admitted she hadn't watched the show at all.  I think that if Kim blogs the next few weeks, that will mean she will show up at the reunion.

Edited February 11, 2015 by motorcitymom65

[Cranky One]

That's why I was wondering when they get episodes of the show. Because you'd think that after watching it, Kim would be pissed at Brandi. They still seem to be BFFs currently. However, I'm sure Brandi twisted it to make it seem, "They made me do it! It's all their fault!". Especially, after reading Kim's tweet.

 

Whhhyyyyyyyyy do I subject myself to this crap? I need new crap! When does the RHOC start? lol

[chlban]

Brandi, stop smoking whatever you are, you are and never will be Chelsea Handler.

I do hope that stupid Kim was watching tonight's episode, oh I hope it so much.

Here it is your BFF Brandi telling another castmate whom she is not even close to you that you basically have relapsed, telling her that if your friendship is a heavy weight over her shoulders, that if anybody ever talks about your addictions you will kill yourself, yet you are so focused on your hate for your sister that you are incapable of understand that you have invited to a wolf with sheep clothes into your house.

Under any other circumstance I would feel bad for Kim, she basically bet on the wrong horse , but in this case and as nasty and unloyal Kim has been, I do think that she has it well deserved.

Brandi whispering her words "I have your back, nobody gets you like I get you," and of it BS, Brandi only wanted to be close to you to extract information and she is now the one asking LisaR to host an intervention for you. What a joke! Couldn't have happened to a better person

This! Perffect summation. Yes Kim, Brandi just outed you. Not that we hadn't already figured it out, of course, but your dear BFF, that loves you and has your back just outed you on National TV. Yeah, I know Kyle did it to back in Season 1 and every single person on the show knows it, but you so deserve to have Brandi stab you in the back like she does everyone else.

 

Kim is a bitch, and desperate to pretend that she is clean and sober. She will not react well to an Intervention because, like most addicts, she has no desire to change. She loves having Brandi and Kyle fight over her like she's some kind of a prize, I just hope she can sober up long enough to watch last nights episode with a clear head and see that, not only is Brandi is not keeping their little "secret", Brandi also considers her a burden.

 

Earth to Kim: it is likely that everyone in your life, no matter how much they may love you, (as in your children, your sisters, probably nieces and nephews-not the Skank because she loves NO ONE) they all, every single one of them, also consider you a burden. Because you are. 

 

I hope Kim doesn't kill herself, although Brandi made it very clear she is threatening to. But this is no longer entertainment. Bitches fighting can be really fun, but when these shows take these truly dark turns, it's time for someone to step in. I don't watch Atlanta anymore but I hear that Phaedra is supposedly fearing for her physical safety now because Apollo is desperate. That does not make me want to tune in. That is not entertaining. Watching a grown ass woman with children and a family that loves her self destruct, sink deeper into addiction, and threaten suicide is not entertaining. Dial it back BRAVO. This show is not healthy for Kim and Brandi on my TV is not healthy for anyone.  

 

I am loving my tacky little gem, Vanderpump Rules. Southern Charm, more or less a Southern version of what Vanderpump Rules could be if they had money and big houses, is coming back soon. The Howives are rapidly losing their allure.

 

If it wasn't for my girl crushes on Eileen and Lisa R, I would be totally done with this show. Stop it BRAVO. It's not funny. BRAVO escaped being truly blamed for Russell's death, but I don't think they will skate if something happens to the former child star that is Kim. It doesn't even matter at this point if the Suicide threats are real or not. We are watching a drunk messing with prescription medications. Gee, what could go wrong there?

Edited February 11, 2015 by chlban

[ryebread]

Brandi was a model when she was younger, maybe people told her that she'd marry a prince and live happily every after.  However she married a cheating douchebag and got dumped.  Now she's resentful, why did that happen to her?  How could a man cheat on someone as beautiful as she?  That's probably what Brandi thinks, she's probably an angry woman, which could be another reason she drinks.

I think that's it.  Her whole life she was given passes for being beautiful.  And my bet is that she was a mean, beautiful girl.  We've all known them.  Beauty fades and you're left with what you're left with.  She woke up, looked in the mirror and realized that she let - what should have been an asset  - be her crutch and now she's left with a drinking/anger problem and very little else.

 

I can think of dozens of people Kim should be praying for, starting with herself.  .

Imo, she's beyond prayer. 

Edited February 11, 2015 by ryebread

[beesknees]

Everyone presently on the show has outed Kim.  Also, several from past seasons have as well.

 

The thing is, I can see Kim killing herself.  This is no longer my little popcorn escape show, it's reaching Taylor's husband is hung levels.  Me no like-y.

 

Oh yes, this.  With a fire of a thousand suns, yes, this.   Your post above summed up my thoughs exactly as I was watching the show last night.  Bravo and TPTB should recognize that this franchise is creeping into dead Russell territory.  Kim just needs to be off the show period.  She is not well and if she hasn't gotten it together by now its not going to happen.  Sorry. 

 

Seeing Kim slowly implode on my TV screen week after week, um, no thank you.  This is not what viewers want to see IMHO after a long, hard day's work.  We come home in the evenings after chores are done and the kids are in bed (if we have them) to escape, relax, and unwind with the housewives not have a ringside seat to someone's very real (and scary) demise.  If I want to watch addicts killing themselves I'll watch "Intervention" and have tears over that.

 

Playing devil's advocate here but would TPTB at Bravo ask Andy Cohen to step down if a second person died of an overdose or committed suicide on this show?  Just sayin'.  Now that Andy's job title has changed would it be his head on the proverbial Bravo chopping block or someone else's?  Accountability over dollar signs I say, but that's never going happen because it is all about ratings. 

Edited February 11, 2015 by beesknees

[ryebread]

Playing devil's advocate here but would TPTB at Bravo ask Andy Cohen to step down if a second person died of an overdose or committed suicide on this franchise? 

 

My question is, would Kyle sign on for another season?

[Duke2801]

How has this season turned into the Kim Richards show? The one I am the least interested in has taken over the entire show.

 

Eh probably because there's not much drama to be found elsewhere this season. LBR, when we were shown the first 3 or 4 episodes which were all "Look! We love our families! We love our lives! Look how nice our yachts and houses are!"  .... many of us (not all of course) were like...oookayyy that's nice and all but where is the DRAMA?

So they are showing drama. Real life drama--not manufactured BS drama. 

 

One last thing : quite everybody here is OK with the fact that there are some fonctioning addicts (i.e. alcoholics) but no one is accepting that, maybe, Kyle could be one of them...

 

 

Well I suppose anything is possible... but the fact that we're never really seen Kyle drunk leads me to believe that she is no way, shape or form an addict. 

 

Brandi I'm even on the fence about.  I do believe she is a social drinker for the most part.  But a social drinker who lacks the ability to know when enough is enough.  If there was an official term to identify a person somewhere between "social drinker" and "functioning alcoholic" I think Brandi would sit there (as well as a few close friends of mine.....  but that's none of my business)

Edited February 11, 2015 by Duke2801

[HumblePi]

I just watched it. I sort of loved Pandi and Lisa's reaction to Max's search. 

I had a quick thought for a new series starring Max Todd as I watched as Max discovered that he's half Scottish and half Irish. The thought occurred to me that maybe Lisa and Ken adopted Max from the Magdalene Sisters in Ireland. Of course I had just watched the movie Philomena which may have influenced my imagination. Max was born in 1992 and the last of the Magdalene laundries closed in 1996. Lisa and Ken were very well prepare financially to pay the Magdalene's a substantial adoption fee in order to get a "pure" bloodline of Irish/Scottish. A lot of these children were adopted to wealthy people, most notably Jane Russel in the 1950's.

 

Come on Bravo, don't make me do all the work for you.

I agree.  Kim makes me think of Whitney Houston.  :'(

 

Yeah right, this coming from someone who made her yoga prayer about Kyle.  Brandi just needs to STFU!

 

 

They showed film of Lisa holding Max as a baby.  He looked to be 5 or 6 months old.

Max was six weeks old when Lisa and Ken adopted him from a foster home.

[copacabana]

What's really pathetic is that this was all filmed quite a while ago and yet we've not read one story about Kim going back to rehab or getting any help. So she was clearly using during filming and by now is doing god knows what. I'm not sure how filming of the reunion fits into the time line of things but I'm willing to bet Kim either checks herself in somewhere to avoid being there, or that's when we find out she did go away for help around that time if it was in the past. No way will Kim sit thru that reunion and face the music. No way.

 

That's right.  

 

Within the context of the show, and Kim's damaged brain, how does it benefit her to sober up and stay clean?  She gets two tons of attention and show focus by being the mess she is when she's using.  Everyone talks about her, tries to figure out what's going on and what she's ingesting, how to help her, whether she even needs help, and on and on it goes. It becomes the Kim show.  What else does she have outside of this never-ending drama?  She's vapid, listless, without any kind of real wit and certainly not bringing the pomp.  So ... while it would obviously benefit her to try and save her own life in what we call the real world, how does it help her stay on the show?  Maybe she's determined it doesn't so screw it.  Negative attention is better than none.  We've already gone down the rabbit hole of sucky Kim addiction.  In her mind, total win -- she gets to use AND become the central focus and star of the thing.  Having a falling out with her sister is just the price to pay for all this glory -- She loathes Kyle.  That's becoming clearer by the minute. 

 

As for Kyle, here's what I don't understand:  If you know your sister is using and that she does and says things under the influence that either make no sense or make too much sense and leave you as her sister feeling like your ass is hanging out to dry, then why keep on berating her about doing and saying dumb and hurtful things?  Do you believe she's an active addict or not?  If you do and you think she's back at it, why hold her to the standard you would use against an earth person?  How does  that benefit either one of them in any real way that moves the ball forward?

 

Kim didn't defend Mauricio and Kyle's marriage against Brandi?  I give Kim credit there on two counts -- negative credit for probably having spilled to Brandi all kinds of stuff about the Umanskys marriage -- and positive credit for not taking Brandi's bait.  Kyle, unless she's a total knuckehead, must realize that Kim has been talking dirt about her behind her back to loose lips and that Kim can hardly get into a kerfuffle about any of that with Brandi for obvious reasons.  

 

Why does any of this crap even matter at this point, really, if Kim is going down that road again?  Who did what to whom when, why, and how!  Seriously, time to grow up, girls.  Also, just on a body language basis, having Eileen sit in between warring sisters across a table from one another was bound to be unhelpful, especially since Eileen was trying, not very effectively, to mediate a dispute with roots burrowed deep down into the South Pole at this point. 

 

The reason 12-step recovery programs set up their own rules and regs and get accused sometimes of being cults is because folks in real recovery know that it's pointless to pretend that having a beef or a dispute with your using addict is the same thing as having a disagreement with a rational, responsible, together person. It's like bringing a knife to a gunfight.  

Edited February 11, 2015 by copacabana

[Cherrio]

I know everyone hates Brandi.   I don't like Brandi, but I don't see her as any worse than the other game players on the show. The problem is, she just is nowhere near as good at it.    Of course it doesn't help that she drinks too much both on and off the show and reacts too quickly and too strongly.  Again, no excuse, but I see her as an extreme novice in a sea of people who have been living and playing the game in a place where nothing else exists but fake and mean.

 She tells some truth in a place where truth has never had a place.  

           I think her motives for being friends/trying to help Kim are well intended. It also probably made her feel needed.  She thought she had a real friend/family with Lisa. But Lisa picks up people she can control and amuse her, then throw them out with the trash when they do or say something she doesn't like.

Brandi definitely does not know how to play the games correctly.       

 Eileen was playing the game perfectly. Spending an afternoon thinking she can fix the Richard sisters over lunch. A scene she has probably played a thousand times.

            I think Lisa Rinna is as genuine as you can get in a place like that.  She has to be tough and play the game, but hasn't lost her integrity.   She plays, but has a line she will not cross.

              Lisa knows who is the actual troublemaker, the catalyst for all that is currently wrong and she says it. Its Kim and Kim is an addict who is not sober. She knows that Kim is manipulating Brandi and using her. She knows that Kyle and her family will always try to pretend like everything is ok and when that doesn't work, they feign ignorance that Kim is using again. Pulllllease.........

             I get that the family has probably been fed up with Kim for a long time now, but Kyle cannot be on a show and pretend the opposite. Oh, my sister this, my sister that.  Of course she is such a bad actress she cannot stay in character for more than a few minutes. Then she blows up and the real Kyle comes busting out.

Who outs their sister on a low level reality show? The scene in the limo was the real Richards sisters.

 Bottom line, they are all enabling Kim, except Lisa R.

[SwordQueen]

Eh probably because there's not much drama to be found elsewhere this season. LBR, when we were shown the first 3 or 4 episodes which were all "Look! We love our families! We love our lives! Look how nice our yachts and houses are!"  .... many of us (not all of course) were like...oookayyy that's nice and all but where is the DRAMA?

 

 

Well I suppose anything is possible... but the fact that we're never really seen Kyle drunk leads me to believe that she is no way, shape or form an addict. 

 

Brandi I'm even on the fence about.  I do believe she is a social drinker for the most part.  But a social drinker who lacks the ability to know when enough is enough.  If there was an official term to identify a person somewhere between "social drinker" and "functioning alcoholic" I think Brandi would sit there (as well as a few close friends of mine.....  but that's none of my business)

 

What makes me think that Brandi has a problem with drinking (I'll call her a drunk, but I don't want to commit to alcoholic yet) is that not only does she drink to excess, her drinking leads her to do and say things that hurt herself and others around her.  She's a mean, foul drunk and everyone and her mother has told her to cut back because she gets stupid.  And yet, she doesn't even seem to care or really acknowledge that, but instead, focuses on her "adultness' which gives her the "right" to drink whenever and how much she wants.  That's not the point, Brandi.  People aren't trying to control or mother you -- they are telling you to control your own damn self because you are an adult.  I'm just not sure she can cut back on drinking, even though it fucks up her life.  I think this goes beyond social drinker and not quite a functioning alcoholic, either, because clearly she can't function when she drinks.  She's a drunk. 

 

Now if Kyle were an alcoholic, then damn, she's a high functioning one. 

Edited February 11, 2015 by SwordQueen

[bosawks]

I can think of dozens of people Kim should be praying for, starting with herself.  She continues to be more and more pathetic.

 

She should be praying for me for watching this crap.......

[Cherrio]

My question is, would Kyle sign on for another season?

Sure she would.

[SwordQueen]

She should be praying for me for watching this crap.......

 

I think it's time that someone held an intervention for all of us.  Lisa R?  Eileen?  Halp. 

[HumblePi]

A Lidocaine  Patch is used for moderate pain for the likes of arthritis, pulled tendons....muscle pain along this line. Hiatal Hernias cause very little pain aside the pain caused by GERD (acid reflux) and you take an antacid for that and if the H Hernia is really bad, you have Laparoscopic surgery to correct it and are back to full activities, unrestricted, in about 1 week, taking Tylenol for pain as needed that 1 week. Kim is using a patch far more powerful than Lidocaine IMO.

Fentanyl/Duragesic is a powerful synthetic opiate analgesic similar to but more potent than morphine. It is typically used to treat patients with severe pain, such as end stage cancer pain. Monty would have had these prescribed to control his pain.

[chlban]

I worked with a 50-something-year-old woman who had wine with dinner every night.

 

Two bottles of it.

 

All to herself.

 

She would come to work and piss and moan about her horrible headache on a daily basis...A headache that would miraculously disappear each evening when she got home and uncorked the first of the two bottles of wine she would drink.

 

Of course, the reason the wine alleviated the headache was obvious to all of us who worked with her, but she had convinced herself that because she wasn't falling down drunk nor drinking during working hours that she could not be an alcoholic.

 

Yeah, just because someone can function for a few hours without a drink doesn't mean they aren't an alcoholic.  My co-worker was clearly an alcoholic.  Her body and mind would go through withdrawal during the day and just ride it out until it was time to start the cycle again.  

 

Those people are just able to function between rounds....All the while waiting for the clock to strike that magical hour when they feel it's "acceptable" to hit the sauce again.  

 

My favorite part of the episode was Lisa R, Lisa V, and Kyle lining up to see what kind of grub they wanted at the festival, and asking for recommendations. Did they all share that one hot dog? It looked like it because there was consensus that it needed mustard.  More of this please. 

I agree. I loved that scene and love that they all wanted a Hot Dog. I try really hard to eat well most of the time, and I know all the awful things that are said about Hot Dogs, but every once in a while I just have to have one. Choice between Chicken tenders and a Hot Dog?

It's like deciding if I want to have lunch with Lisa R. or  Brandi, no contest.

Edited February 11, 2015 by chlban

[copacabana]

She should be praying for me for watching this crap.......

 

Honestly, I've already managed to say goodbye to Atlanta and that feels good.  Last night, sitting through more of this stuff, I had a vision of myself freed from BH and that felt even better.  Shark jumping can be a very good thing.  I could already imagine myself doing something else because I've lived this story one time too many now.  

[beesknees]

My question is, would Kyle sign on for another season?

 

Me thinks yes.  And you?

[HumblePi]

God help me, I feel a little '50 Shades of Grayish' whenever I watch Eileen do the in front of camera solo narrative of a scene wearing that olive colored lace top. Her boobs look absolutely amazing and I'm so jealous because they look that great.  Am I going to Hell because I want to touch those? Geeze, I think I could turn gay for those. LOL!

Edited February 11, 2015 by HumblePi

[motorcitymom65]

I know everyone hates Brandi.   I don't like Brandi, but I don't see her as any worse than the other game players on the show. The problem is, she just is nowhere near as good at it.    Of course it doesn't help that she drinks too much both on and off the show and reacts too quickly and too strongly.  Again, no excuse, but I see her as an extreme novice in a sea of people who have been living and playing the game in a place where nothing else exists but fake and mean.

 She tells some truth in a place where truth has never had a place.  

        

 

I have always thought that no one plays this game as well as Brandi does. Well, maybe Lisa V., but she does it differently - not in a way that is designed to hurt others to benefit her.

 

As far as I am aware, Brandi is the only girl to get promoted from "friend of" to full-time HW. The way that she aligned herself with Lisa V in her first season for the reunion was nothing short of brilliant. She gave Lisa V just enough erroneous information to have her doubting her relationships with everyone, mainly Kyle. Then she ever so slowly pulled back and corrected the record, making it known that Kyle had never been involved at all, but of course she did that after the initial damage was done. She saw early and clearly that Adrienne would be her albatross and Lisa V her ticket to fan favorite, and she never looked back.

 

That was her first mea culpa, but nothing that has ever come before or since will ever compare with taking the entire audience, not to mention some of her fellow HW's and their husbands, on a season long bender that was based entirely on a lawsuit that she knew had never even existed. I said at the time, as loudly as I possibly could, that she was lying, but by the time the truth was revealed, Adrienne would be so damaged and hated by the audience that no one would even care about the fact that Brandi had been lying. Yep, that is exactly what happened. It is hard to look at that season and believe that Brandi is any kind of a novice in this environment.

 

Last year she played Kyle, which I would have though impossible. Kyle is the first and only person to ever really thoroughly question and doubt Brandi. She knew who Brandi was and had been trying to tell Lisa for a couple of years. But all Brandi has to do is snuggle up to Kyle and whisper those sweet nothings in her ear - "you were right all along Kyle. Lisa is manipulative".  Bang, Kyle and all of her insecurities over having been hated for saying those words fell away because Lisa's BFF and trusted confidant was agreeing with her. That was no doubt Kyle's biggest mistake yet. She is to blame for listening to Brandi, but Brandi knew what she was doing and she did it so well.

 

She just miscalculated this season.  Or it was her turn. The 3rd year edit is a bitch no matter what. Even more of a bitch if the girl is actually a bitch. 

[msrbley]

I may have been to quick to judge Lisa and the situation with Max. Or perhaps I will just go back and forth. But I thought the scene with her and Pandora in the market was very touching. It was quite clear how much they love him and worry about him. And, having never been in that situation, I have no room to judge, but it seems like even after 20 something years you can still feel insecure as the adoptive family. I appreciated that Lisa informed Pandora that they would do whatever they had to in order to support Max, so hopefully that was genuine. 

We adopted a newborn who is now 2.  A happy, healthy, beautiful 2 year old boy.  We couldn't ask for a more ideal birth mom situation for our family than what we have.  She's selfless and currently doesn't want to be involved in my son's life.  In my heart of hearts I'm scared that one day she'll want to know him or he'll want to know her.  We've taken a different approach than Lisa and Max and told our son he's adopted and we've told him his birth name.  We'll keep telling him these things and more and more details that we know as the time comes.  Still, it's a scary thought.  I felt Lisa and Pandora's pain when they kept saying "buy he's ours!"  They know that his ancestry or heritage is the one thing that makes him not theirs and it's a scary step for any adoptive family to take.  Whether you're Lisa VanderPump or plain old me, whether your son is 2 or 20 or 60, I imagine the fear is always there.

[copacabana]

What we should all be praying for is a successful Brandi-anywhere-else career?  She's another one who really isn't at all interesting outside of her brokedown palace schtick.  I always get the sense that she really hasn't had sex with anyone in a pretty long time. 

 

Her entire head looked huge when she was sitting with LisaR.  Like someone had taken a tire pump to it and inflated it to max levels. An apt metaphor, I guess. 

 

I don't hate her but, man, is she tedious.  And another one who I think has real trouble remembering what she's said from one moment to the next and why.  Dissing Yolanda to her face by mentioning her daughter at all is truly one the dumbest things I've seen a housewife do.  

 

In the extra footage on Bravo site, there's a clip of an additional chat between Brandi and Kim after the mixer.  At Brandi's place.  One can clearly see how Brandi has been grooming Kim.  Including mention of Kathy.  Creepy to watch how addled Kim is and seemingly how easy to manipulate.  In the talking head shown in that segment, it's beyond obvious that Kim is higher than a kite--slurred slo--mo speech, glassy eyes that wander and go out of focus.  My guess is that she's been identifying only as an alcoholic and thinks that if she stays off the sauce, she's basically clean, leaving her free to get into what she likes to call medication for pain.  Pain being living. 

 

Re Lisa R's question as to why everyone is afraid of Kim R, I don't think anyone is -- nor do I think anyone has any real respect for Kim.  Kim has always been barely tolerated.  What most these women won't do is confront her head on, limo style, with her addiction.  It didn't work well for her sister and would work even worse for most of them.  And is not something that should be done on a RHs show anyway.  LisaR can attempt it because there's an innate warmth and objectivity there but, having made her case, I hope she doesn't get stuck in trying to save Kim. Like attaching your tongue to the frozen pole. 

Edited February 11, 2015 by copacabana

[Carolina Girl]

Sadly there wasn't much for me to watch in this episode --- because I fast forward every scene in which the walking trash bag known as Brandi Glanville appears.  I was able to watch it in the time it took to cook a Stouffer's family sized entree. 

[imjagain]

That's why I was wondering when they get episodes of the show. Because you'd think that after watching it, Kim would be pissed at Brandi. They still seem to be BFFs currently. However, I'm sure Brandi twisted it to make it seem, "They made me do it! It's all their fault!". Especially, after reading Kim's tweet.

Whhhyyyyyyyyy do I subject myself to this crap? I need new crap! When does the RHOC start? lol

Oh, I'm sure Kim only blames Lisa R. She had that other one in her ear, telling her that Lisa R was out to get her. And because Kim is the Queen of Denial she probably didn't watch the show. Can you imagine Kim confronting her issues like an adult? Yeah, me either. Kim's best bet is not to watch, because that would be painful to watch. Kim is all about avoiding pain and reality.

I really wish Lisa R would not have had that conversation with Brandi. I kind of understand because of her past history with HH brothers, she feels like she can and should help. I just don't think it's going to do anything but hurt Lisa R. Kim is as low down dirty as her bff.

[sistermagpie]

Was Brandi also putting herself in the martyr role when talking with Lisa R?  I thought I heard her talk about how hard it was, but she had to do it, meaning dealing with Kim.  It didn't take her long to get there.

 

 

She totally is! It's hilarious--she doesn't even have to be a good manipulator. She can just stand there and openly claim that Kyle is airing Kim's tragic laundry and only cares about her so she can look good...while airing Kim's tragic laundry and make sure everyone knows how good she looks when caring about Kim, which is so hard. And it's all on camera, so it's not even like everyone's not seeing her talking out of both sides of her mouth.

Brandi seemed to be reaching out to LisaR for help with Kim...she appeared overwhelmed. Brandi and lisa even talked about intervention with a professional, not one of the HW.

What do you think?

 

 

Honestly, I didn't think she seemed overwhelmed at all. I thought she dropped things like "more than you know" to play out her part of handling this huge mess and being very important and responsible. Brandi's made it clear that the last thing she wants is Kyle getting involved in saving Kim.But in front of LisaR she's got to pretend to be about helping Kim rather than getting in between Kim and Kyle. The worst that can happen as a result of her asking LisaR to talk to Kyle, from Brandi's pov, is that Kyle actually tries to help so Brandi can tell us how she's only doing it for camera time. Even better if Kyle doesn't play into it and Brandi can say there's proof that Kyle doesn't care about Kim

 

Btw, Brandi claims that someone is sober until they admit they're not sober...is that how that's really supposed to work? Because Brandi is the person talking about pain patches here. 

 

I think Lisa R.'s motives are pure and not for camera-time. It seems like she's new enough to the dynamic to earnestly think she can effect change, and alarmed that something needs to be done, stat, due to her family history

 

.

 

The thing about the show is it's so impossible to ever really separate the two. I mean, I suspect that a lot of this stuff has realness to it. I think LisaR really does have strong feelings about this, that Kim and Kyle really do have these kinds of fights off-camera, etc. But they're also allowing it to be on TV and making it their story. 

 

Regarding what Brandi said to Yolanda regarding Bella's DUI, I read -really- worst than what she told Yolanda ! I read in some gossip sites that she was using coke, too, and that she went to Dubaï as a high end prostitute with one of the Jenner (Kyle ? I'm not sure now)... So Brandi was not lying regarding what "people" said. Of course, it doesn't mean that's true, but yes, it was written. And I think that was her point here. Not a good defense system, I agree, but I really don't think she's as bad as she's perceived on this board.

 

 

Oh yeah, I totally got Brandi's argument with Bella--she was saying to Yolanda that peoples' perceptions can be wrong and using Bella as an example--with a little glass houses threat thrown in, because Brandi knew she couldn't suggest such a thing to Yolanda without Yolanda getting defensive about it. But of course, Brandi also makes a point of throwing out "Kyle was drunk that night and I was stone cold sober, like usual" as much as possible.

 

One last thing : quite everybody here is OK with the fact that there are some fonctioning addicts (i.e. alcoholics) but no one is accepting that, maybe, Kyle could be one of them...

 

 

Because the person making the claim needs to provide evidence for it and Kyle's substance use has simply never been an issue where Kim's and Brandi's (and even Bella's) has (whether or not Bella or Brandi are actually addicts). Someone's who's having other people tell them they seem to have a problem tossing out that in fact it's their arch nemesis who has the problem isn't a good reason to suspect that. Anyone could be a functioning alcoholic, including Kyle. Yet her alcoholism literally only comes out when someone is putting the spotlight on Brandi or Kim's more visible problem. 

 

As for Kyle, here's what I don't understand:  If you know your sister is using and that she does and says things under the influence that either make no sense or make too much sense and leave you as her sister feeling like your ass is hanging out to dry, then why keep on berating her about doing and saying dumb and hurtful things?  Do you believe she's an active addict or not?  If you do and you think she's back at it, why hold her to the standard you would use against an earth person?  How does  that benefit either one of them in any real way that moves the ball forward?

 

 

This probably one of many reasons why everyone wonders if Kyle has gone to something like Alanon because...yeah. It's not even just the drugs, imo. That is, I don't think Kim's behavior is just a case of the drugs being at fault when she starts using. But Kyle after many decades really can't see the pattern that we've seen in just a few seasons of the show: Kim has two speeds with Kyle. In one she's silly/sisters 4-evah, but warily reminding everyone that she's forgiven Kyle for all her terrible deeds and is a big hero for conquering her addictions. Kim's always making herself vulnerable and taking a risk when she's friendly with Kyle, she never lets us forget. Her other phase is one big spiteful, resentful, passive-aggressive battle against Kyle. Clearly this isn't something that's going to be fixed by the two of them croaking at each other over and over.

 

Basically, Kyle's just reasonable enough to not be the person Kim wants her to be, an enabling drug buddy and champion. But she's not reasonable enough to objectively accept that Kim's not the sister Kyle wants her to be and let that go. So she stays in this middle ground of being overly optimistic when Kim's in speed 1 and freshly betrayed and confused every time Kim shifts gears to speed 2.

[JAYJAY1979]

The episode should have been called Enablers R Us.

 

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