Glaze Crazy September 28, 2015 Share September 28, 2015 So, I was watching a random BBC Documentary about the workhouse last night and one of the celeb descendants of a workhouse inmate was Scots born Brian Cox who played Agamemnon in Troy, among many other roles. http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0004051/?ref_=nv_sr_1 I started picturing him as a good candidate for Simon, Lord Lovat, but I can see by his IMDb he is really booked up for the next year, including a turn as Churchill. On the other hand, he does a lot of stuff across both movies and TV all the time, so maybe they can get him to carve out a few weeks for the role? Link to comment
Petunia846 September 30, 2015 Share September 30, 2015 I have my John Grey picked out already, but I doubt it'll happen. Link to comment
j5cochran October 1, 2015 Share October 1, 2015 I have my John Grey picked out already, but I doubt it'll happen. Well, don't just tease us, Petunia! Who? Link to comment
Petunia846 October 1, 2015 Share October 1, 2015 Oh, I've talked about it a bunch already, didn't want to rehash. I think Toby Regbo would be perfect. And I like him enough that he might actually make me care about Lord John. Link to comment
Nidratime November 11, 2015 Share November 11, 2015 According to IMDB, this actor has been cast as "William Grey." He's in episode 2.9 and the actor is around 16 years old. http://www.imdb.com/name/nm3960821/?ref_=tt_cl_t1 Link to comment
Petunia846 November 11, 2015 Share November 11, 2015 So, if that's true I guess they're going to cast someone else as grown up Grey later... Link to comment
Nidratime November 11, 2015 Share November 11, 2015 (edited) And, did we know this. Here's the man who will be playing Jamie's grandfather. Good casting. Kind of looks like our Jamie. https://twitter.com/Outlander_Starz/status/664583345683083264 Edited November 11, 2015 by Nidratime 1 Link to comment
Petunia846 November 12, 2015 Share November 12, 2015 I think that one's new. I just saw it on Twitter. It's not what I pictured from reading the book, but I like the choice a lot. A lot, a lot. I should say I like the John Grey one too. Seems they continue to rock the casting. 2 Link to comment
WatchrTina November 12, 2015 Share November 12, 2015 I should say I like the John Grey one too. But why do you suppose he is listed in IMDb as "William Grey"? Simple error? Is something sneaky going on? Is Lord John's middle name "William"? Enquiring minds want to know. I sure hope the actor looks more like a 16-year-old now than his photos show. Link to comment
DittyDotDot November 12, 2015 Share November 12, 2015 (edited) But why do you suppose he is listed in IMDb as "William Grey"? Simple error? Is something sneaky going on? Is Lord John's middle name "William"? Enquiring minds want to know. I sure hope the actor looks more like a 16-year-old now than his photos show. When we first meet Lord John in Dragonfly in Amber he says his name is William Grey. I do believe it is his middle name, though. It's in Voyager he's using John. I got the impression he was hoping people wouldn't immediately know who he was. Wasn't his father a suspected Jacobite? Plus his imbroglio with Percy and his being caught and tricked by Jamie. It seems like he eventually develops his own reputation and respect, but I thought he didn't want to be associated with some missteps of his youth. Edited November 12, 2015 by DittyDotDot 1 Link to comment
CatMack November 12, 2015 Share November 12, 2015 Amber Skye Noyes has been cast in an HBO show, so those who wanted her as Bree are probably out of luck. 1 Link to comment
lianau November 12, 2015 Share November 12, 2015 (edited) he started out as William Grey and turned into John William Grey when too many Williams showed up (because Jamie knocked up Geneva ). Later he gained a few more middle names until he ended as Lord John William Bertram Armstrong Grey. When we meet John/William in book 2 , his brother is pissed at their dead father because of his suspected Jacobite loyalties and therefore refuses to use the title Duke of Pardloe and is going by his secondary title Lord Melton . John/William however uses the title for a second son of a duke . Edited November 12, 2015 by lianau 1 Link to comment
DittyDotDot December 5, 2015 Share December 5, 2015 I've just finished the first season of Poldark and it struck me as this guy could make a very good adult Lord John: http://www.imdb.com/name/nm3037896/?ref_=tt_cl_t10 1 Link to comment
j5cochran December 7, 2015 Share December 7, 2015 I've just finished the first season of Poldark and it struck me as this guy could make a very good adult Lord John: http://www.imdb.com/name/nm3037896/?ref_=tt_cl_t10 Nope. He's six foot two -- entirely too tall for Lord John. And I found him rather bland as Dwight Enys, compared to either of the Dwights from the 1975 version. Link to comment
DittyDotDot December 7, 2015 Share December 7, 2015 Since hardly any of the actors on the show actually look their book counterparts--Cait especially doesn't look much like the image I had of Claire, but she captures the spirit of the character quite nicely, IMO-- so, I'm not at all worried about height. Plus, that can be hidden in filming sometimes. It would actually be easier for filming if he was closer in height to Sam. In general, I wasn't overly impressed with Poldark, myself. Oh, it was fine, just didn't leap out and grab me. I chalked it up to the writing and directing and such rather than the actors themselves. I've seen many of those actors in other things where they did seem to shine more. I just thought the actor had a quality about him that reminded me of Lord John a bit. 1 Link to comment
Summer December 7, 2015 Share December 7, 2015 (edited) I agree about the height thing, DDD. I know much was made in the books about how tall Jamie is, yet I actually like how Cait is very tall too, visually it seemed like they were nicely matched. For some reason I found it kind of distracting when Sam was in scenes with more petite woman, like Jenny and Laoghair, he kind of almost had to stoop down in their scenes. Edited December 7, 2015 by Summer 1 Link to comment
DittyDotDot December 7, 2015 Share December 7, 2015 Yeah, the blocking can get very odd in order to get a tall guy in frame with another actor. A lot of time the tall guy ends of sitting--which can be stagnant--or placed further back in the frame than the other actor--which can be very awkward sometimes--or, as you said, they stoop and is rather awkward as well. Sam hasn't been shown to be sooo much taller than everyone else, as Jamie is described as in the books, so I don't think it would matter if Lord John was taller than described in the books too. However, there's a lot of actors out there and I have faith they'll find the right one for the job. Link to comment
WatchrTina December 8, 2015 Share December 8, 2015 I believe though that Sam Heughan is as tall as book!Jamie was supposed to be but while this height was extraordinary in XVIII century, it's hardly so now I'm pretty sure that Book!Jamie is 6'4" (the same as Diana's husband) and Sam is 6'2.5". Sam's IMDb profile used to say he was 6'3" but someone changed it during the past year, which is . . . interesting. Link to comment
Nidratime December 14, 2015 Share December 14, 2015 SPOILER, SPOILER, SPOILER! We're got a Roger!!!!!! Outlander @Outlander_Starz 6m6 minutes ago We have big news as part of #OutlanderOfferings today. Introducing @RikRankin as Roger Wakefield! 2 Link to comment
bearcatfan December 14, 2015 Share December 14, 2015 Per @Outlander_Starz twitter account, Richard Rankin has been cast as Roger. I don't know him so I can't offer any input. Link to comment
Tif December 14, 2015 Share December 14, 2015 Nidra, you beat me to it. I was just coming to post the same info. Link to comment
Nidratime December 14, 2015 Share December 14, 2015 I spend way too much time on twitter! Link to comment
Athena December 14, 2015 Author Share December 14, 2015 WatchrTina-Great minds think alike, I was JUST about to post that Richard Rankin would be perfect for Roger! I googled him and found a recent article where he talks about how he would love to be a part of Outlander. And his accent is just as strong as when he's on Crimson Field. I LOVE his storyline with Kitty but sadly the show did not get renewed in the UK so the 6 episodes are all we are gonna get :( I have a suggestion for Roger. Is anyone watching "The Crimson Field" on BBC America? (If not, you should be.) Anyway, there is a handsome young surgeon on the show who is a Scot. He plays one-half of what I am sure will be the shows One True Pairing (though they are still at the Unresolved Sexual Tension and Keeping Secrets stage of the courtship.) His name is Richard Rankin. I humbly suggest him for Roger. http://www.imdb.com/media/rm591777024/nm3044664?ref_=nmmd_md_nxt WatchrTina and Summer both win the Roger round :) 6 Link to comment
bearcatfan December 14, 2015 Share December 14, 2015 In July, it seems I stated that Rankin looked like how I picture Roger when he was being discussed on people's wish list. I didn't remember that! 3 Link to comment
Summer December 14, 2015 Share December 14, 2015 (edited) WatchrTina and Summer both win the Roger round :) ::Takes bow, high fives WatchrTina:: SO excited that Richard was cast, he is truly perfect for Roger!! He's so handsome and that accent....swoon.... For those of you not familiar with his work, search on Youtube for The Crimson Field and also The Syndicate, which is the show that really sealed the Roger deal for me. Doing happy dance!!!!! Edited December 14, 2015 by Summer 3 Link to comment
Laurie December 14, 2015 Share December 14, 2015 Finally! I was beginning to think that instead of asking "When will Roger & Brianna be cast?" that maybe the question should be rephrased to "WILL Roger & Brianna be cast?" Love the choice! 1 Link to comment
Petunia846 December 14, 2015 Share December 14, 2015 Yeeeees. So Roger will be in S2!! Yaaaay. Nice surprise for today. Link to comment
onthebrink03 December 14, 2015 Share December 14, 2015 ::Takes bow, high fives WatchrTina:: SO excited that Richard was cast, he is truly perfect for Roger!! He's so handsome and that accent....swoon.... For those of you not familiar with his work, search on Youtube for The Crimson Field and also The Syndicate, which is the show that really sealed the Roger deal for me. Doing happy dance!!!!! Dancing right along side you. I LOVE Richard Rankin. The Crimson Field gave me my first look and, like you, The Syndicate sealed the deal. He's a fine, fine actor and more than a little alright in the looks department. And, yes, that accent...be still my foolish heart. 1 Link to comment
WatchrTina December 15, 2015 Share December 15, 2015 ::Takes bow, high fives WatchrTina:: SO excited that Richard was cast, he is truly perfect for Roger!! He's so handsome and that accent....swoon.... ::High fives Summer right back!:: This is SO exciting. Oooooooh! He is 3 years younger than his father in law! ;-)) Weel, if Sam can play 20-something, so can Richard. Silly me -- I was about to write "and besides the books never made clear how old Roger is." Except, yes they did -- we meet wee Roger in book 1. We met him in the show too. So, Richard will just have to get some tips from Sam on how to play 10 years younger. If they cast a very young Brianna (someone between 18 and 22) it will help. 2 Link to comment
DittyDotDot December 15, 2015 Share December 15, 2015 I think Roger it's stated that Roger is 25 in Dragonfly in Amber/Voyager and 27 in Drums of Autumn. And, Briana is 19/21 respectively. I'd have to go read to be sure, though. But, I agree, they should be able to pull it off. Subtle make up an lighting can do so much for these things. Link to comment
onthebrink03 December 15, 2015 Share December 15, 2015 He looks younger without a beard as well. But I hope he keeps it. Link to comment
WatchrTina December 15, 2015 Share December 15, 2015 So Richard has 14.6k twitter followers right now. I wonder how many he already gained today (he gained me). I wonder how many he'll have this time tomorrow. Link to comment
onthebrink03 December 15, 2015 Share December 15, 2015 (edited) He was at 12.something earlier today so I think he's gained around two thousand since the news hit. I've been following him for a while now and I think you will all be entertained. He does tweet in fits and starts but he's funny and he acknowledges his fans/followers tweets often and expresses gratitude I think he's another good guy. Edited December 15, 2015 by onthebrink03 1 Link to comment
crystalball December 15, 2015 Share December 15, 2015 The minister's cat is a dreamy cat! Roger is my favorite character. This news has me very excited. 3 Link to comment
Dejana December 15, 2015 Share December 15, 2015 (edited) I think Roger it's stated that Roger is 25 in Dragonfly in Amber/Voyager and 27 in Drums of Autumn. And, Briana is 19/21 respectively. I'd have to go read to be sure, though. But, I agree, they should be able to pull it off. Subtle make up an lighting can do so much for these things. Wouldn't Roger be 28 for Dragonfly in Amber? He was 5 in 1945 for Outlander, Claire returned from the stones after three years, then came back to Inverness in 1968. Hmmm, he looks nothing like how I pictured the character, but acting ability is more important. Edited December 15, 2015 by Dejana 1 Link to comment
DittyDotDot December 15, 2015 Share December 15, 2015 Wouldn't Roger be 28 for Dragonfly in Amber? He was 5 in 1945 for Outlander, Claire returned from the stones after three years, then came back to Inverness in 1968. Hmmm, he looks nothing like how I pictured the character, but acting ability is more important. I think Outlander is 1946 (when Claire first goes through the stones)...but yeah, you're right that would make him older. Like I said, I'd have to re-read to be sure. I had it in my head he was 27 when he followed Brianna through the stones and worked backward. I have no idea where I had that impression, though. Who knows with me? I, too, had a very different picture of Roger in my head, but none of the cast actually match the picture in my head--except maybe Jenny. I'm cool with that, I'd rather they get the right actor rather than the right look anyway. 1 Link to comment
Dust Bunny December 15, 2015 Share December 15, 2015 Kudos to WatchrTina and Summer. Well done. I like to imagine that one of the screen tests was Jamie and Roger fighting in and out of the cabin, once Roger comes home to Brianna and baby Jemmy. We're a few seasons away from it, but I look forward to Sam and Richard having testosterone poisoning. This also has me excited to anticipate how they introduce us to the 60s. Beginning of the season? End? Bookended? Bring on "Spring 2016"! May you be closer to March than May. 2 Link to comment
Summer December 15, 2015 Share December 15, 2015 In the TV series The Syndicate, they did a flashback to where Rik's character is 24 years old and he pulled it off easily. He had no beard and they brushed his hair forward to create a youthful look. He and his co-star actually joked on Twitter about all the "fringe" (British for 'bangs') he wore. Link to comment
Summer December 15, 2015 Share December 15, 2015 Also, can't wait for Rik to deliver this line He was meant to die on Culloden Field....but, he didn't gives me chills every time 2 Link to comment
WatchrTina December 15, 2015 Share December 15, 2015 (edited) So, now I'm following @RRankingFans (aka "The Rank and File") on Twitter. As you can imagine, yesterday was a big day for them. They tweeted a link to Richard on YouTube taking the "BAFTA Challenge" -- answering a bunch of random questions in 60 seconds. So . . . Richard is the real deal. That's a real Scottish accent there (Glaswegian, right? -- He makes a joke about that being the easiest one for him to do.) I wonder if he's going to have to tone it down a bit for the American audience. Sam alters his own accent to something more appropriate to a Highlander. Roger's accent should sound like Inverness with a bit of Oxford influence, right? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nd2G3lfPREo&feature=youtu.be I find his accent the strongest on the words: hard work ("haad wuk"). Edited December 15, 2015 by WatchrTina 1 Link to comment
tcay December 15, 2015 Share December 15, 2015 I had no idea there was such an age gap between Bree and Roger, but it makes sense given he was already a professor by the time Bree meets him. I think in my head it was just a handwavey he-skipped-several-grades sort of thing. I wonder if Bree is already cast or if she's another Claire--proving really, really hard to find. Link to comment
DittyDotDot December 15, 2015 Share December 15, 2015 (edited) So, now I'm following @RRankingFans (aka "The Rank and File") on Twitter. As you can imagine, yesterday was a big day for them. They tweeted a link to Richard on YouTube taking the "BAFTA Challenge" -- answering a bunch of random questions in 60 seconds. So . . . Richard is the real deal. That's a real Scottish accent there (Glaswegian, right? -- He makes a joke about that being the easiest one for him to do.) I wonder if he's going to have to tone it down a bit for the American audience. Sam alters his own accent to something more appropriate to a Highlander. Roger's accent should sound like Inverness with a bit of Oxford influence, right? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nd2G3lfPREo&feature=youtu.be I find his accent the strongest on the words: hard work ("haad wuk"). That's an interesting point about toning down his accent. In the books, Roger adapts a more English accent when he's in Oxford, but once back in the company of Scots it gets stronger. But, his accent should be different than Jamie's just because the accent in general would've shifted over the years, anyway. But, I like his accent the way it is, too. That's a cute video of Richard Rankin, though. It's the first I've seen of him in action. Should be interesting to see what he does with Roger. I had no idea there was such an age gap between Bree and Roger, but it makes sense given he was already a professor by the time Bree meets him. I think in my head it was just a handwavey he-skipped-several-grades sort of thing. I wonder if Bree is already cast or if she's another Claire--proving really, really hard to find. I'd think Brianna would be a very hard feet to find. She's physically well-described in the books, but not well-defined as a character in her own right. Plus, it's probably hard to find a young actress who looks enough like Sam so everyone will just know she's Jamie's daughter on-sight; who also has a mix of physical agility and experienced enough to pull off the emotional beats. Edited December 15, 2015 by DittyDotDot 1 Link to comment
tallyrand December 15, 2015 Share December 15, 2015 I am very happy about the Roger casting! He's one of my favorite characters and one of the most relatable I think. I think this actor will do a great job from the little I have seen of him. Link to comment
asp December 15, 2015 Share December 15, 2015 He is totally new to me, but I have absolute faith in Outlander's casting team. Link to comment
Nidratime December 16, 2015 Share December 16, 2015 Rankin really does have a nice singing voice: https://soundcloud.com/the-rank-and-file/autumn/s-IUGol 3 Link to comment
lianau December 17, 2015 Share December 17, 2015 Oooooooh! He is 3 years younger than his father in law! ;-)) Lets ignore the actor's ages :D Roger is about 8 years older than Brianna . Bree was born in November 1948 (Claire being around 2 months pregnant in April 1746) . Jamie was born on May 1st 1721 which translates to 1923. Roger was 5 when Claire first met him in 1945 OR 1946 depending on the copy of the first book , so he was born either later than May 1939 (not yet 6 in 1945) , in 1940 or before May 1941 (already turned 5 in 1946) Link to comment
asp December 17, 2015 Share December 17, 2015 (edited) According to this timeline Roger was born in 1941 and Bree in 1948. http://www.dgabaldon.de/html/timeline_1e.html Edited December 17, 2015 by asp Link to comment
Dust Bunny December 19, 2015 Share December 19, 2015 (edited) Also, can't wait for Rik to deliver this line He was meant to die on Culloden Field....but, he didn't gives me chills every time In my imagination, I see Roger saying that as the camera zooms in on a fallen Jamie. Suddenly, Jamie's eyes open and there's a beat like the beginning of "The Lion King" when the words show up after "Circle of Life". And then the scene goes dark with "Spring 2017" instead of "The Lion King". I have a very detailed imagination. ETA: Spoiler tags, just in case. Edited December 19, 2015 by Dust Bunny 3 Link to comment
abbey December 19, 2015 Share December 19, 2015 I love your imagination Dust Bunny. An ending like that would be even more angst inducing than the ending where we see Jamie in the window about to rescue Claire from the hands of BJR only to have to wait months to see how said rescue went. I had read the books multiple times so I knew pretty much how it would go but it still had me on the edge of my seat. Link to comment
MedievalGirl December 20, 2015 Share December 20, 2015 Rankin really does have a nice singing voice: https://soundcloud.com/the-rank-and-file/autumn/s-IUGol That'll do. That will do. 1 Link to comment
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