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Curio

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I'm guessing this takes place when Hyde is locked up and tries to choke Emma. What could Hyde be offering Emma, though? Does she not want to be a Savior anymore after finding out the secret? Would a splitting serum separate that Savior identity away from Emma so that she could be normal without the burden of having to help everyone all the time?

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When everyone realized Rumple and Regina weren't coming back, they had a big celebration and put on a cloaking spell so they can never be found or contacted ever again.

Curio
Curio

At least someone is freaking out over Emma's darkness. Keep giving a shit, Hook! You're pretty much the only one who does...

Serena
Serena

HER GRANDMA IS EMMA! Are they being serious with this?

KingOfHearts

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TVLINE | Was Regina’s magic weakened at all, by splitting off her evil half?
HOROWITZ | The question of what this split has done to her magic is addressed very quickly. She’s dealing with many different ramifications to the split, and what it does to her magic is one of them.

When it comes to Regina's magic, it's always weird and vague. She couldn't use the wand in S5 because, "she didn't believe in herself". In 5B, she couldn't use magic until she saw Daniel's grave. Now what? It's only half as effective? It would make total sense if it didn't work at all, but we saw in the S5 finale that she was able to disintegrate the Olympian Crystal without a hitch. I can't imagine whatever they've got planned being logical at all.

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TVLINE | Is the purely Evil Queen’s plan going to be subtle, will it be stealthy?
KITSIS | It’s going to be delicious. She is going to attack them with style and with grace you would expect from the Evil Queen.

 In other words, she's going to hit like a freight train as always.

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And when we do that sort of Case of the Week story, it’s always thru the prism of our main characters. When we met Cinderella, it was really about Emma and how she came to be the person she is. It’s about finding these reflections on our main characters. Sometimes it’s a case where there’s a connection between them, like in the upcoming Hook/Nemo story, and sometimes there are stories where it’s more of a character reflection thing between one of our main characters and one of these other characters. But the goal is to have fun with these stories and at the same time dig a little deeper into our heroes.

When it comes to this, A&E can be spotty. Some of the centrics in the past have serviced the main characters well, but others have derailed the story. Having a guest character teach the main character a lesson that ultimately becomes one of their defining traits does not really count as development. At least, not in the way they do it. I've seen that formula so many times in the past few seasons and I think S6 is going to do it again.

Curio

Curio

6 minutes ago, retrograde said:

Also, who would say "the red leather jacket" when referring to their own clothing they are currently wearing? 

Yeah, it's kind of clumsy to refer to your own piece of clothing like that. I feel like that's one of those jokes A&E thought was funny on paper, but they didn't put themselves in Emma's shoes to realize how awkward that is to say in the moment. Wouldn't she naturally say, "Let me take this off," or, "My jacket..."? Maybe it's an inside joke between Hook and Emma that they always refer to her red leather jacket by its full name.

sharky

sharky

13 minutes ago, Curio said:

Yeah, it's kind of clumsy to refer to your own piece of clothing like that. I feel like that's one of those jokes A&E thought was funny on paper, but they didn't put themselves in Emma's shoes to realize how awkward that is to say in the moment. Wouldn't she naturally say, "Let me take this off," or, "My jacket..."? Maybe it's an inside joke between Hook and Emma that they always refer to her red leather jacket by its full name.

Yea, I was kind of hand waving it as some sort of inside joke between them. "Sadly, red leather jackets don't come into vogue here ever." "Ah, I see you grabbed your red leather jacket for the drive back." "You cut quite the figure in that red leather jacket, Swan." "Yea, I like your red leather jacket." And a few of those are probably dripping with sexual innuendo with an extra emphasis on "red" or "leather" depending on the day.

PixiePaws1

PixiePaws1

58 minutes ago, XrystalPond said:

Given that we see in future episodes that she changes the jacket, I am assuming there is a point to her saying the words red leather jacket. Otherwise it is awkward. I am going to go put on my pink and blue cotton night short now. 

Maybe the red leather jacket falls victim to the hook at some point...

Rumsy4

Rumsy4

The dialogue for the scene is not natural. There is no reason for Emma to ask Killian about Henry (she should know), or her parents (this is not the loft), even if these were the typical things they checked on when Emma was living with her parents.

Emma saying "red leather jacket" is awkward too, and so is Killian asking her to keep it on. Even if he has a fondness for the jacket--come on!

However, despite all these writing flaws, JMo and Colin totally made it work. hahha. I think CS has done the deed before (many times). But I doubt it will ever be confirmed.

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janett snakehole

janett snakehole

I love the sneak peek, but that doesn't mean I don't have some nit picks. :P Colin and Jen did sell it very very well, but yes, the actual dialogue was odd. And could have been fixed pretty easily if they had Killian ask Emma about Henry, nixed the mention of parents, and had Emma just say "my jacket" or the like and then have Killian respond about the red leather jacket. I mean, it could have been written much better, but even with the awkwardness, I love it. Just happy those two crazy kids are trying to get it on. lol

PixiePaws1

PixiePaws1

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3 hours ago, Rumsy4 said:

The dialogue for the scene is not natural. Tsofa is no reason for Emma to  ask about Henry (she should k now), or her parents (this is not the loft), even if these were the typical things they checked on when Emma was living with her parents.

Emma saying "red leather jacket" is awkward too, and so is Killian asking her to keep it on. Even if he has a fondness for the jacket--come on!

However, despite all these writing flaws, JMo and Colin totally made it work. hahha. I think CS has done the deed before (many times). But I doubt it will ever be confirmed.

It is weird....I have also been thinking they have already crossed that bridge (& back again) many times..and I feel CHEATED, but there is something about the way Killian says 'they're not interested in walking in on this, believe me' that makes me wonder.....

 

And I LOVE Emma's foot going up in the air when she falls back on the sofa

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AmeliaBedelia

AmeliaBedelia

I'm so weak. I wasn't going to watch any sneak peeks, but I couldn't resist that one. It's very possible though that the first minute will be the best bit of the episode. I hate that the characters will immediately be thrown into crisis mode. 

I've been able to forget about OUAT for the majority of the summer, but I went to bed last night thinking about the blocking of the CS scene lol. I think Hook's hook should have been resting on the table, and that should have vibrated when the air ship passed. At the very least, Hook's left arm should have been facing the sofa.

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YaddaYadda

YaddaYadda

11 hours ago, retrograde said:

I couldn't stop laughing at the awkward positioning of the hook. Also, who would say "the red leather jacket" when referring to their own clothing they are currently wearing? 

A&E wrote it and since they keep saying that Emma telling she loves him outside of a crisis is a momentous huge thing, then I'm assuming they're all Emma wants to remove her armor, but Hook is telling her to keep it on, then in the episode, she keeps secrets from him because ARMOR!

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Curio

Curio

1 hour ago, AmeliaBedelia said:

I think Hook's hook should have been resting on the table, and that should have vibrated when the air ship passed. At the very least, Hook's left arm should have been facing the sofa.

I don't mind the blocking, actually. I think it's supposed to be slightly awkward, but it's also a nice visual reminder that Hook has to deal with his brace and hook in these kinds of situations. If his left arm was facing the sofa, the audience would forget that he has to deal with that inconvenience because we'd only see his good arm/hand. (That being said, I do eventually want to see what his left arm looks like without any jacket, brace, or bandages.)

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Hookian

Hookian

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I wonder if there's a connection between Emma no longer wearing her red leather jacket. Maybe Hook and her finally have sex and afterwards she doesn't wear it anymore? Maybe he gets kinky and rips it during foreplay.

BTW I'm of the opinion they've definitely done it before. Hook is a gentlemen and the first time with Emma would not be on a sofa with clothes on.

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daxx

daxx

I'm assuming the couch was foreplay and they would move to the bedroom if there was a bedroom set that is.

given Emma's comments and she was a little concerned about her parents that no, they've not done it yet. They would have already had the I like your jacket conversation given how much she wears it. It seemed just awkward enough to be the precursor to a first time.

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Rumsy4

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Just now, Rumsy4 said:

Snowing Script Tease. 

A little confusing. 

45 minutes ago, Hookian said:

BTW I'm of the opinion they've definitely done it before. Hook is a gentlemen and the first time with Emma would not be on a sofa with clothes on.

Agree. Maybe he was just desperate to makeout with Emma as a prelude. ;-)

They were attached at the hip after the 6 weeks between 4A and 4B. In Camelot, Emma was making comments about them being alone in the flower field. It's hard to believe they've been waiting this long. It's up to interpretation, ultimately. 

6 minutes ago, daxx said:

They would have already had the I like your jacket conversation given how much she wears it. 

Not if they were constantly worrying about being interrupted before. There's more privacy in their own house and they can take their time. ;-) And in Camelot, Emma wasn't wearing modern clothes. Still, the line about her parents is out of place. But her parents once stood at the door watching Hook and Emma having a private moment at the Sheriff's station. No wonder Emma was concerned they might jump out of the basement door. hehe

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sharky

sharky

20 minutes ago, daxx said:

I'm assuming the couch was foreplay and they would move to the bedroom if there was a bedroom set that is.

given Emma's comments and she was a little concerned about her parents that no, they've not done it yet. They would have already had the I like your jacket conversation given how much she wears it. It seemed just awkward enough to be the precursor to a first time.

Upon repeated (and I do mean repeated) viewings, I sort of agree. I definitely think it's a foreplay thing but something you would do with someone you're comfortable with because you've slept with them before. "What about Henry? What about my parents? What about this jacket? What about the color of this couch? What about--" "Just shut up and kiss me!" The smile on Emma's face as she starts asking more questions kind of gives it away for me.

Again though, that would've been more clear if it was written by people who knew how to write a script.

Curio

Curio

10 minutes ago, Rumsy4 said:

That way, they'll raise the stakes on Regina's "evilness" without affecting the main cast. 

I honestly think that TVLine (I think it was TVLine?) prediction about one of the main regular OUAT cast members leaving by spring might be correct. You can't have the Evil Queen walking around mwuahaha-ing everywhere and have her be so completely incompetent that she can't kill a single regular cast member. Someone's gotta go.

CCTC

CCTC

I don't think they would go there, but if a main cast member goes, it would make sense for it to be Belle.  She and Rumple should be irreparably damaged, and Belle is kind of blah as a character.  As I was typing this, I just remembered she was pregnant -- I cannot imagine they would kill her when she was pregnant, and having another baby lose a parent has just been done.  Belle is safe.

Regarding the Swan and Hook conversation above.  I always assumed that they did much more than hold hands in that field in Camelot if not before that.

Hookian

Hookian

38 minutes ago, Curio said:

I honestly think that TVLine (I think it was TVLine?) prediction about one of the main regular OUAT cast members leaving by spring might be correct. You can't have the Evil Queen walking around mwuahaha-ing everywhere and have her be so completely incompetent that she can't kill a single regular cast member. Someone's gotta go.

There predictions were stupid and pointless. I doubt anyone is leaving. If someone is going by money is on Bex. Most expendable out of all the regulars. 

But they even said most of there predictions are wrong.

orza

orza

It would make sense for Emilie to be the one who is leaving. Belle could die in childbirth to bring Rumple full circle as a single father. Or she could leave town and then show up for the series finale with a baby to reunite with Rumple, if they decide to give him a happy ending. Emilie sat out season 5 of Lost and they brought her back for some episodes in season 6 to wrap up her story. 

The Rumbelle story has run it's course and Belle is pretty useless otherwise. Emilie has a baby and a wedding to plan. I don't follow Eric's career, but if he has a project lined up that he needs to be in Los Angeles for next year, they may want to forgo the money to keep the family together in one place.

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AmeliaBedelia

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5 hours ago, Curio said:

 (That being said, I do eventually want to see what his left arm looks like without any jacket, brace, or bandages.)

I'm with you. Shows like E.R. and Grey's Anatomy have convincingly portrayed what amputations look like so it can't be that hard for OUAT. The brace on Hook's arm is awkward and quite noticeable. Plus, the glimpse of his arm we did catch in season 2 made it look like the amputation was much higher than the wrist. Emma needs to get Hook out of his jacket so we can assess things :-)

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KingOfHearts

KingOfHearts

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It would make sense for Emilie to be the one who is leaving.

Taking my response to Speculation since it's not really spoilers.

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Ruth is back for Episode 7.

Something tells me this has to do whatever is coming back from his past. If she's not coming back until episode 7, that must mean it's kind of a big deal and not some centric-support like with Hook/Ursula.

We'll be see flashbacks in Victorian England, according to the Facebook interview.

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RadioGirl27

RadioGirl27

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From the Facebook interview with A&E:

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Will we see more bonding between Killian and Henry?

Eddy: I would say we’re going to see their relationship. We’re definitely gonna see them bond. I know they are going to absolutely be on missions together but I think we’re also going to see, as perhaps Killian and Emma become closer, we’re gonna see the effects of that on Henry and we’re gonna wonder if Henry likes that or not.

Adam: It’s not always bonding.

So the "Henry doesn't like Hook" (another Season 4 redo) would be before or after the scene with both characters playing with swords?  At this point, it makes no sense for Henry to be against that relationship, but the little s*** is an idiot, so who knows. Maybe he likes him as a friend but he thinks his mom has to stay single and mourning Neal forever.

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Curio

Curio

34 minutes ago, KingOfHearts said:

Something tells me this has to do whatever is coming back from his past. If she's not coming back until episode 7, that must mean it's kind of a big deal and not some centric-support like with Hook/Ursula.

I listened to a little bit of that A&E Facebook Live thing, and they answered a question about whether or not we'll see Charming's mom and dad this season. They said they're definitely digging into that, and if you're a fan of Charming, get ready for some of his backstory. With TS;TW, that could mean multiple episodes of story, or just a B-Arc to one episode.

A fan also asked if we'll ever get a Halloween, Christmas, or Musical episode, and they hinted that one of the three could very likely happen. With the timeline of when they film in Vancouver and when the episodes air, I'm shocked they've never done a Christmas/Holiday episode for their fall finale.

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