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I agree with LeftPhalange. I don't think Sami would have come up with such a dumb plan (i.e Sami has always expressed a loyalty to Roman, as Will is claiming to express towards Abigail, and I don't think she would have actively tried to hurt him in the process. By accident, maybe, but not the way Will is concocting his plan in involving Abigail). Yeah, I know not all of her plans have been the best, but I don't think she would have left so many holes in her reasoning as to why she'd write an article like that.  And if she did write an article about Marlena, I think she would just straight up admit why she was doing it. She'd outright say she wants to get what she wants. Well, at least the Sami at 22 would just straight out admit what she wanted.  I don't think she would have beat around the bush and then pretended she was doing a good thing. She would say "Yeah, I'm being a putz, but I'll get what I want. What are you going to do about it?"

Will is trying to do the strange Abigail thing of pretending he's doing a good thing. Sami wasn't such a pretender. If she wanted to cross someone, she'd get to the point and give everyone a heads-up (like she's doing with Abigail by telling her directly she will get her revenge on her for sleeping around with her fiancee. There's no beating around the bush there or pretending. Sami gets down to business with her words when she hates somebody's guts. I've never thought of her as being passive-aggressive in the way Will is being. That's why everyone thinks she's a brat, but no one can say she's hiding behind a facade).

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Beyond any other considerations: Sami would never do something like this to Will. She would never do anything remotely like this to Will. (Even now, as we saw in her conversation with Kate, she's still protecting him - she's going to let that article go up without any legal pushback because it would hurt his career and reputation if she called in the lawyers.) And she's his mother. They were on good terms. She spent the last couple years focused on helping him and his daughter. They had worked through their issues.

 

So, yeah, I consider Will the very worst of them all now. As far as I can see, he really did this for no other reason than because he wants to get his name in print, and he's an asshole who doesn't appreciate the love and help his mother has always given him, so it's no big deal to him to throw her under the bus to get his name in print. It's really the only explanation that makes sense, since he was on good terms with Sami and there had been no catalyst to bring up his old issues with her, and because it's ridiculous that he would go to these lengths for his cousin (especially since he knows she would not want this article and as such, has been actively hiding it from her and avoiding her) over his own mother when said cousin slept with his mother's fiance. I'm not saying he has to agree with what she was doing to Abby, but he could have simply disagreed with her in their private conversations and refused to take part in any revenge schemes himself.

 

And it's bone stupid. I mean, congratulations Will, you know you can do this to your mother because she will continue to love and protect and help you however she can anyway. But one day, he's going to feel awful, and it's something he'll feel awful about for the rest of his life. Sami will forgive him, of course; I think she already has. That's not really the point; she can forgive him, but that doesn't mean he'll be able to forgive himself. Because stabbing someone whose love and loyalty to you has always been total and unconditional is ultimately devastating to live with, to have to look in the mirror and know you did something like that. This is something Sami will never get over - forgiving Will isn't the same thing as getting over what he did, she'll never be able to forget, and that will make Will feel awful. Unless Will is just a sociopath, and as much as I dislike him right now I don't think he's a sociopath. That's why he's come up with all these other reasons, trying to make it seem he wrote the article for noble and/or moral and/or ethical reasons, when ultimately he just did it to get published. He's trying to convince himself. but he won't be able to live in denial forever.

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I think Will has made an incredibly false promise to Abigail, and that's what surprises me the most about him.

Sami has done a lot of bad things, but I don't remember her ever making a false promise quite like that one.  I'm trying to picture her making a false promise to Eric or Brady like that, and I can't. She was mean to Carrie, but she was always upfront about that. There was no false promise of pretending loyalty to her. Ditto for Marlena and John.

 

Then again, Abigail and Nick were never loyal to each other despite feigning some kind of cousin-love to each other (although I think Nick was more transparent about his lack of loyalty towards the end) so I guess  Will's traits in this regard are  consistent with being a Horton.

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I appreciate you guys speculating that Will's main motive for writing the article is to get his name in print and a "cover story".  It made no sense to me that he would do all this to benefit Abigail or to destroy his mother.  It's nice to know that his motives are much more selfish and mercenary. Thank you for explaining something that the writers clearly could not do on their own.

 

Has anyone pointed out to Will how completely unethical and nasty it was to record interviews without that person's permission? Or is it just one of those Salem things that's completely acceptable when you are one of the "good guys"?  It's so hard sometimes to tell the good guys from the bad guys in this town.

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Since Jack was a journalist, it would have been pretty interesting to get his take on what Will was doing with all of the interviews without people's consent!

 

I think the subtext of Will's motivations would have come out better if CM was still in the role. Something about the way he'd say his lines would give away what Will was thinking (even with the smirk). I think Nu-Will has tried to look a bit menacing at times, but in the end he just looks kind of blank, or, well, weird (like when he was interviewing Abigail and flashbacked to Sami's slap).

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Has anyone pointed out to Will how completely unethical and nasty it was to record interviews without that person's permission?

 

In some states it is also illegal to record someone without their permission, but I guess not whatever state Salem is supposed to be in.  It would nice if someone would at least call Will out for being unethical, though. 

 

It's difficult to understand how and why Will went from Nick's bland punching bag to sneaky douchebag in the space of a few weeks.  It's a giant bit of plot point writing that is more common to General Hospital than Days.

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In some states it is also illegal to record someone without their permission, but I guess not whatever state Salem is supposed to be in.  It would nice if someone would at least call Will out for being unethical, though. 

 

It's difficult to understand how and why Will went from Nick's bland punching bag to sneaky douchebag in the space of a few weeks.  It's a giant bit of plot point writing that is more common to General Hospital than Days.

Well, see, that's what I thought! I didn't think he could use that stuff without permission from those he recorded. Nice way to start your career, Will.  And ITA that it would have been nice if he had used his new superpowers of douchery on Nick. 

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I thought it was really cold of Will to tell Kate he learned from watching Kate, Sami, and Lucas,

Cold, but (and this would be obvious if Will were better and more consistently written and portrayed), absolutely true. And *that* should be the story, especially if it's part of AS's exit. Will, Sami, and, if they could be bothered to include him, Lucas all needed to come to grips with the things they've done, how it's affected the others, and how to make things better for the future. Not Kate, because she's way beyond help and too fabulous to need redemption anyway.

 

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Although Will would have experienced the tensions of warring parents, was his childhood THAT bad by Days standards?

His family, despite being at odds, seemed like a constant presence in his life who expressed their love, affection, and praise for him. His parents never seemed to go missing like Sami's, Eric's ,and Carrie's courtesy of the Dimeras, and no one in  his family seemed to randomly up and leave (i.e what Ciara might be going through with Bo).  Will's early life wasn't great, but by the pre-teen and teen years things seemed to have calmed down comparatively and Lucas and Sami seemed to be co-parenting in a fairly amicable fashion.  Does he resent his family for the bad perm he had when he was 13???

In general, Will seemed to always have people around who loved him and were always there. No one seemed to randomly go missing or come back with a new face. And whoever was brought into his life seemed to care for him as well. Even EJ has shown a certain devotion towards him.  Heck, even Stephano has been kind of nice to him. Sami and Lucas caused problems to each other, but their fighting seemed to be more away from his view in his pre-teen and teen years.  I vaguely remember him going off to stay at Carrie's and Austin's when he needed some alone time from Sami and Lucas. And when he came back, he was bonding with Lucas by making stink-bombs for EJ's apartment.  I could see Will having resentment towards Sami for her relationship with EJ, but he's never appeared to hate EJ either.  He disliked EJ Wells, but strangely has seemed to like EJ DIMERA, bullet through the head notwithstanding.
 

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I thought it was really cold of Will to tell Kate he learned from watching Kate, Sami, and Lucas,

 

It's true fact. Nothing Will did is even on par to what Sami/Kate has pulled and is still pulling. If Sami wanted motherly respect she had to earn it and she never did from Will. They never had this sunshine and rainbows relationship. 

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You are taking my sentence out of context.  I agree with Will when he says that he learned from Kate, Sami, and Lucas.  The cold part was that Will only blames Sami.  Will told Kate he was sorry he involved her in the article even though Kate is just as much to blame for Will's lousy childhood as Sami is, and Kate is right there with Sami in the revenge plan.

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During the teen years, I thought Will and Sami got along well enough. There was some tension from time to time, but not enough for me to think he'd grow up to hate his mother.  But maybe the bad perm he was sporting distracted me from what was going on in their storyline.

 

With Sami and Marlena, it was easier to spot the continuity in how their relationship evolved. Sami's dislike for Marlena started off from a pivotal event  from her youth (the desk sex) and then worsened with each trauma that would occur in Sami's life (i.e Alan's rape of Sami because he couldn't have Carrie). Perhaps to her detriment, Sami has always seemed to have a certain conviction about how she feels about her mother, and while people may disagree with it, at least there haven't been any gaps in how the story moved from A to B to C.  Will's dislike for Sami seems to go off and on depending on his mood. That's why I can't make head or tail of when the hate actually started, or even if it actually existed prior to the grief sex.

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The cold part was that Will only blames Sami.  Will told Kate he was sorry he involved her in the article even though Kate is just as much to blame for Will's lousy childhood as Sami is, and Kate is right there with Sami in the revenge plan.

Kate's involved, but she has no vested interest in Abby it's not Kate that's out for the witch hunt on her and EJ. That's all Sami. It wasn't Kate that blackmailed Kayla, and got Abby fired. Will's blaming the right person. Kate is just Sami's sidekick, she's not the one out for the main blood. Kate's not the one who made those kids think they were getting a family with the wedding and then set up to have their father jailed. 

 

Will's childhood was a disaster as well starting off because of Sami. Sami playing 2 fathers and hide the DNA, just so she could get Austin. Then when Lucas found out, she instantly played the drunk abuse card. It's understandable why he blames solely Sami, because everything started with her actions. Lucas didn't know, and Will started his life thinking one man was his father and he wasn't. 

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I understand why Will was angry when Sami cheated on Rafe, and ruined his young siblings happy family because he loves Allie, Johnny, and Sydney, and he was worried they would end up having the same kind of childhood he did. 

 

However, Sami, Sonny, Lucas, Kate, and EJ were the ones fighting Will’s battle with Nick when he wouldn’t.  Sami and Lucas tried to get the evidence from the Salem PD.  Sami and Sonny were the ones who looked for the recording in Nick’s room.  Sami and EJ went to Stefano for help (which tells how really desperate they were).  Sami never would have attacked Bernardi if she hadn’t been trying to get the evidence to protect Will.  Sami wouldn’t have shot Bernardi if she hadn’t been trying to protect Rafe. 

 

Will telling Sami he is not okay with her seeking revenge would be one thing, but Will is doing this to hurt Sami, and he is throwing several other people who have helped him under the bus to do so.

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Will's dislike for Sami seems to go off and on depending on his mood. That's why I can't make head or tail of when the hate actually started, or even if it actually existed prior to the grief sex.

As annoying as it was, CM's smirk led me to believe there was always an undercurrent of resentment towards Sami. GW is just...awful. The writing is so bad for Will, too. I mean, it's bad for everyone, but I expect a little more consistency from someone we've known all of his SORASed life.

At this point, though, he and I have a common enemy so I'm willing to overlook the why/when of his Sami hate and just sit back and wait for it to take them both down.

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As with Abigail, the most interesting thing about WIll is Sami, so I don't know what they're going to do with his character either when she's gone.

 

They should have gotten a stronger actor to play him so I that I might want to continue to see how Sami's oldest son turns out.

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As annoying as it was, CM's smirk led me to believe there was always an undercurrent of resentment towards Sami. GW is just...awful. The writing is so bad for Will, too. I mean, it's bad for everyone, but I expect a little more consistency from someone we've known all of his SORASed life.

You know, as much as I made fun of CM, I agree that he would have made this story work better. I think he always seemed to have that kid-with-an-attitude act down and that's what would work for this story.  GW just seems disconnected from it all.

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I think GW might be skimming the surface of what Will is doing rather than trying to discern what might be nefarious  or contradictory about it. I got that impression from reading his interview about the storyline, although maybe he might have said other stuff that did not get into the article.

 

In CM's interviews, he did appear to have a strong understanding of Sami and Will's history.

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Will is a useless backstabbing piece of trash. Not only has he betrayed his own mother, he's betrayed his gradmother and precious Abby, the "woman" who he claims he wants to protect. His plan to get back at Sami isn't even logical which makes him look even more ridiculous. If he were really Sami's son he would have come up with something better than this whack ass article.  

 

Sami spent her entire childhood and early adulthood trying to fuck her sister over and destroy her mother.  So if Will learned how to be a completely non-loyal piece of shit....he only has her to thank for it.

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Nothing much going on today as no exciting character was on.

 

It all consist of everyone praising Dan as always for bringing in big bad Kristen. Jenn acting smug when in front of Eve. Mary Beth being a bitch. Rory being a dumbass. Eve being over the top. Nicole being hypocritical as always.

 

I will say that Parker seems to be a child that would say yes to being left alone with Stefano.

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Sami never claimed to like or be loyal to Marlena and Carrie though. She always made it known she hated them.

 

Will claims to like Abigail and Kate and claims to have loyalty to Abigail, which makes his plan nonsensical.

 

I will forever be puzzled by the concessions made for her.  Does it matter if she never said she liked them?  They were family.  And not so long ago Will made it plain that he had no use for her.  

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Although Will would have experienced the tensions of warring parents, was his childhood THAT bad by Days standards?

His family, despite being at odds, seemed like a constant presence in his life who expressed their love, affection, and praise for him. His parents never seemed to go missing like Sami's, Eric's ,and Carrie's courtesy of the Dimeras, and no one in  his family seemed to randomly up and leave (i.e what Ciara might be going through with Bo).  Will's early life wasn't great, but by the pre-teen and teen years things seemed to have calmed down comparatively and Lucas and Sami seemed to be co-parenting in a fairly amicable fashion.  Does he resent his family for the bad perm he had when he was 13???

In general, Will seemed to always have people around who loved him and were always there. No one seemed to randomly go missing or come back with a new face. And whoever was brought into his life seemed to care for him as well. Even EJ has shown a certain devotion towards him.  Heck, even Stephano has been kind of nice to him. Sami and Lucas caused problems to each other, but their fighting seemed to be more away from his view in his pre-teen and teen years.  I vaguely remember him going off to stay at Carrie's and Austin's when he needed some alone time from Sami and Lucas. And when he came back, he was bonding with Lucas by making stink-bombs for EJ's apartment.  I could see Will having resentment towards Sami for her relationship with EJ, but he's never appeared to hate EJ either.  He disliked EJ Wells, but strangely has seemed to like EJ DIMERA, bullet through the head notwithstanding.

 

Really great analysis.  If there ever was a child more loved and doted on it was certainly Will.  Between, the Brady's, Roberts, Reeds, and the Kiriakis's.  Will has always been a beloved child. 

 

With this analysis, you can really see how the writing could be so much better on this show. Having Will really come to terms with his childhood and the overwrought tension between Kate, Sami, and Lucas throughout his adolescence.

 

They even could of incorporated the idea that maybe Will is pushing his resentment to the forefront.  He spent years sort of wishing all the scheming between Sami, Lucas, and Kate had stopped and then when it comes down to it them being schemers is what has help keep him out of jail as well as save his daughter.  At this point in Will's life I would believe that then the flip flopping they are doing with him hating/loving Sami.

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How am I making a concession for Sami?

What I'm saying is that Will's plan makes no sense in relation to his dialogue. Writing-wise, there's no consistency between his words and his actions.

What Sami did to Carrie and Marlena was wrong, but the dialogue matched the actions! She said she was going to screw them over, and she did. Will's plan doesn't make sense since he's claimed his intention is to protect Abigail.

 

Pointing out an inconsistency in the writing doesn't necessarily mean a concession for Sami -- it's simply pointing out that the writing for Will is confusing and that his plan is stupid. What Sami did was wrong, but the writing for her at least made sense and was consistent with what she was doing and the dialogue she was spouting.

 

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Sami never claimed to like or be loyal to Marlena and Carrie though. She always made it known she hated them.

 

Will claims to like Abigail and Kate and claims to have loyalty to Abigail, which makes his plan nonsensical.

That is actually not entirely true.  There were times where Carrie would forgive Sami, and be under the impression that they were on good terms only to have Sami go after her again.  I agree they were never best friends, and your point is still valid the tension between Carrie and Sami had never been as forefront with Sami and Will.  Exception being the grief sex.

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Re: Sami and Carrie

 

I think Sami never quite deceived herself the way Will seems to be deceiving himself. Even as delusional as she was in thinking she deserved Austin for her own reasons, she never seemed to lie to herself about her actual motives in quite the way Will is doing.

 

In 2006, her plan against Carrie was unnecessary and she was being fake to Carrie's face, but in her moments alone you knew  that SHE KNEW she was screwing Carrie over. She didn't seem oblivious to that fact.

 

What bothers me about Will is that he really doesn't seem to get that he's causing a lot of trouble for  Abigail  and I'm baffled as to how anyone could possibly be that stupid. Especially since he was called brilliant by a Berkley professor. He can claim he didn't want to name her, but come on now....who in the 21st century media doesn't go around digging for this kind of info?

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And Aiden talking to Hope called her Mrs. Edmonds.  Who?

 

If Eve is so desperate for money, how can she reconcile not taking the offer, because you know she won't take it.

 

I loved the scene between Kristen and Nicole, because Kristen was so right about Nicole (even though I love her). Nicole needs to do some frank self-assessment.

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TigerLynx

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When Will saw Sami cheating on Rafe, it seemed they might take the character down a similar path's to Sami's, but then they didn't.  I didn't like how CM started phoning it in, and smirking, but he could act.  The new Will, not so much.  If the writers were actually going to make the character of Will darker, that could be interesting with a different actor, however, I'm not sure that is the intent.  Instead it seems this is pretty much an "everything is Sami's fault" SL, and all the other characters are simply reacting to her (the writers belief, not mine).  Which begs the question, what the hell are they going to do with these characters once Sami is gone?

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Kitty Redstone

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Does KM have the highest episode count this year? It feels like it.

 

She has to have one of the highest, if not the highest, episode count.  And what's even more aggravating is that even when Abby isn't on, the other characters are talking about her!  Today was welcome exception.

 

Why isn't Paige telling JJ about Ben/Kevin/Ollie? She knows that he's going by Ben and use to go by Kevin. Does Paige know that Abby and Mr. 3 Personalities are seeing each other?

 

I think she knows?  Ollie did apologize to Paige for lying about the Florida thing, but I don't remember what if any excuse he gave her because he bores me to distraction.

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Why isn't Paige telling JJ about Ben/Kevin/Ollie? She knows that he's going by Ben and use to go by Kevin. Does Paige know that Abby and Mr. 3 Personalities are seeing each other?

 

I know it won't happen, but wouldn't it be fine if Paige hasn't mentioned Ollie's other identity to JJ because Paige secretly can't stand Abigail and doesn't give a rats ass what happens to her?  I know, I know, won't happen, but man it would be sweet if there was SOMEONE who wasn't struck by the awesomeness of her Kangaroo ears.

 

 

And Aiden talking to Hope called her Mrs. Edmonds.  Who?

 

If Eve is so desperate for money, how can she reconcile not taking the offer, because you know she won't take it.

 

Maybe Aiden thinks Hope strongly resembles the animated character from the Lilo and Stitch cartoons.  Or maybe he's starting to hallucinate after spending all the time with Polly Pureheart in her House of a Thousand Horrors.  It can't be easy to stare into those vacant eyes all day long.  I wonder if Jenn has ever had the fleeting thought that if she wasn't either a judgemental, simpering, holier-than-thou fake, or a plain out and out ass to people she might not be despised as much as she is?  Nah, that would require both a brain and critical thinking.  

 

I wonder what Eve will do?  From the scene with her lawyer we know she really needs the money, so maybe she'll take it.  Or maybe Jenn's pruney smile and mean girl tone will make her automatically turn it down.  But since Eve has the day to decide, and this is a Salem day, we may not know anything until next week.

 

GREAT day with no Abigail, though, as some of you have mentioned.  I guess she needs a day off from her Apology Tour.  It can be exhausting trying to make time for all the people who want to tell her how sorry they are that she pursued a guy for sex like a crazed aardvark at an anthill.  Girl NEEDS a break!

 

Wasn't it touching - no, really - to see Daniel doing his 'Aw shucks folks, nothin' to see her but a big hunky hero' routine.  And, of course, having Maggie cling on to him and cry like she's Sonny Corinthos running out of tanning lotion.  Gotta give it to Maggie, the woman can cry - and cry - and cry.  Although I suspect being that close to the unwashed Daniel probably brings tears to most everyone's eyes.

 

Brady really has changed, hasn't he?  It was so sweet to hear him telling Victor and Maggie about how he's staying away from Kristen, and keeping a lid on his anger by going to meetings.  Too bad he didn't tell them he was going to Fight Club meetings.  Later, at the Pub talking to Mrs. Edmonds - I mean, Hope - he was ready to pound Kristen again.  

I sure would enjoy a minor storyline, nothing big, not even too long, just one where someone gives this loudmouthed spoiled turd  a beatdown he wouldn't forget.  And it would be even sweeter if a woman did it.

 

What else, what else.....oh yeah, Kristen and Nicole.  I always enjoyed the hate those two shared, but not so much today.  Seems I've heard all that before.  And frankly, I no longer care about Eric's pain - at all.  And nobody really has to, since that's all he ever thinks about.  That, and having sex with Nicole.  Way to go on "hating", Eric, you bonehead.  And I mean that in both ways.

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LeftPhalange

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What else, what else.....oh yeah, Kristen and Nicole.  I always enjoyed the hate those two shared, but not so much today.  Seems I've heard all that before.

 

Kristen made some valid points about Nicole but it's not like anyone ever has a moment of self reflection after big confrontations like this. I have no confidence that Nicole will learn anything from this. Few people in Salem ever learn from their mistakes. If having saint Dan reprimand her didn't cause her to change I doubt getting yelled at by a crazy Dimeria will do anything.

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shesajar

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I'm pretty happy with yesterday's episode. I FF'ed through Daniel and Maggie, more so because I can't stand Maggie getting all doe-eyed over her adult son than because I have a general Dan aversion, but other than that, I quite liked the whole thing. Even Paige is starting to grow on me. 

 

 

Or maybe Jenn's pruney smile and mean girl tone will make her automatically turn it down.  But since Eve has the day to decide, and this is a Salem day, we may not know anything until next week.

I sort of liked Jennifer's attitude towards Eve in that scene, though. Real-life validity of the lawsuit aside, there seems to be considerable doubt about it in Salemverse, and Eve was dumb not to take Jennifer's first offer. I was excited about the one day clause, until I realized how long days are in Salem.

 

 

Kristen made some valid points about Nicole but it's not like anyone ever has a moment of self reflection after big confrontations like this. I have no confidence that Nicole will learn anything from this.

 

Once, just once, I want this to happen. It would be nice if it were Nicole, because she came close before, but I'll settle for anyone actually growing as a person.

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