Current Plots Discussion: Actually Today's Episode

[TeeVee329]

38 minutes ago, Black Knight said:

She did. I vividly remember because Brooke fainted when she saw Maria, and because of the way they insisted on filming it, Julia Barr was forced to do the worst on-camera faint ever so that she didn't hit her damn head. (Usually actors are filmed just from their waist up, so that there can be a mat on the ground that they can drop onto.) But that was a while ago. More recently than that was Marty on OLTL (where TSJTodd kept it to himself), and I'm sure more since then. The Jason/Liz thing on GH, for instance, even though that's just been retconned into NotJasonAfterAll.

Poor Brooke.  And, if memory serves, that storyline was kinda it for her, she faded into the background until she was off the show. 

Good calls on Marty/VicTodd and Jason/Liz.  I guess I didn't think of them because, in those cases, they were keeping the person being alive a secret so they could pursue a romance (or rape-mance, in VicTodd's case) with that person.  While Paul, like Brooke before him, would be keeping the BFTD-ness of a person a secret to hang on to the romantic partner they have.

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I guess in this show's case Ron feels the need to kind of put Paul and Will on the same footing, since Will and Sonny were not together when he died due to the fact that Will cheated on Sonny with not just one but two men. Sami obliquely referenced that to Lucas at their graveside reunion, so at some point I expect it'll come up. Without Paul doing something shady like this, for Sonny it really should be a pretty straightforward choice despite the "first love" handwringing.

Yup, which I'm fine with.  It's a much messier, soapier story if everyone's slates are a bit dirty and, as peach said, Paul keeping Will being alive a secret would be textbook soap.  Which, as I keep saying, is cool to see happening with gay characters.

And I kinda want Ron to make even messier by revealing the amnesiac Will has a boyfriend.  Talk about another classic soap trope.

Edited November 4, 2017 by TeeVee329

[Rowan]

All this back from the dead, and I mean back from the morgue dead, is a little too Pet Cemetary for me. I already put up with a lot from this show, and I embrace back from the never really were dead characters, but just injecting someone with magic potion is a bridge too far for me. That's some James Reilly shizzle right there. 

I was so bored by Lucas being a miserable drunk I spent most of his scenes trying to make out the the name on his knock off bottle of Jim Beam. Jen Reem? Jeb Reem? Jem Ream? Also, there was a metal sign on the wall in the bar that read  "success is a ladder, it can't be climbed with your hands in your pockets". I'm sitting here like, what if success was an elevator? 

That's just how over Lucas I already am. 

For God's sake, give Chad and Abigail something to do. I'm tired of the fluff. 

Edited November 4, 2017 by Rowan

[Frozendiva]

So Susan thought that Sami was 'mean mean mean'.

Too bad that Sami couldn't distract her so that John could grab the gun.

Dr. Rolf failed to bring him back? Or maybe he did bring someone back, but the person wasn't 'Will'.

I can see Lucas throwing up all the booze somewhere outside the bar. Eventually his money will run out and he won't be able to afford alcohol.

Paul, you may now have a bit of a secret. Yes, you do need to look out for your own interests too. The dude who looks like 'Will' may be nothing like him and maybe he would want you instead of Sonny!

Abs has quit her job that she never really went to?? Now that you are re-married, you need to find something more fulfilling? Don't we all? Unfortunately, most of us don't have rich husbands who will let us do what we want, even if that is nothing. Count your lucky stars, at least for now.

[Star Aristille]

42 minutes ago, Frozendiva said:

Dr. Rolf failed to bring him back? Or maybe he did bring someone back, but the person wasn't 'Will'.

I totally think Susan was lying to get Sami's hopes up, and then crush them.  Won't go into the reasons I think she was lying, but I definitely think that it was a lie, because Rolf definitely made it sound like he succeeded.

44 minutes ago, Frozendiva said:

So Susan thought that Sami was 'mean mean mean'.

So she doesn't just reserve it for Kristen.  Or did Ron think that Susan reserves it for anyone she dislikes or hates?

[annabel]

I am a total Wally Kurth fangirl and I think Judi Evans has never looked prettier than she has recently, so I really enjoyed their scenes.

[buffynut]

10 hours ago, TeeVee329 said:

While Paul, like Brooke before him, would be keeping the BFTD-ness of a person a secret to hang on to the romantic partner they have.

Yup, which I'm fine with.  It's a much messier, soapier story if everyone's slates are a bit dirty and, as peach said, Paul keeping Will being alive a secret would be textbook soap.  Which, as I keep saying, is cool to see happening with gay characters.

And I kinda want Ron to make even messier by revealing the amnesiac Will has a boyfriend.  Talk about another classic soap trope.

I like that they're making it "messy".  And Paul has been getting progressively more worried, and almost possessive, about losing Sonny, so it won't be totally out of character for him to keep seeing Will a secret.  I also like that they're making the gay characters have classic soap storylines. 

[Cupcake04]

8 hours ago, annabel said:

I am a total Wally Kurth fangirl and I think Judi Evans has never looked prettier than she has recently, so I really enjoyed their scenes.

Me too. I watch GH too and it amazes me that I can watch both but I don't see the other character he pkays, even thought they are so similar.. On GH I see Ned , not Justin and vice versa. Testament to how good WK is. Also, I know that daytime emmys have lost their significance, but Judi Evans better get a nom next year and better win.. She has knocked it out of the park the last few months and especially the last week. Her scenes with Lucas yesterday were fantastic!

[peachmangosteen]

12 hours ago, TeeVee329 said:

And I kinda want Ron to make even messier by revealing the amnesiac Will has a boyfriend.  Talk about another classic soap trope.

I want this, too! It's just so classic it practically writes itself!

11 hours ago, Rowan said:

I was so bored by Lucas being a miserable drunk I spent most of his scenes trying to make out the the name on his knock off bottle of Jim Beam. Jen Reem? Jeb Reem? Jem Ream?

I thought it was 'Jen Beem.'

[DisneyBoy]

Things that confuse me about the Susan reveal:

 

1) Rolfe would fall in love with Susan to the point of being willing to do anything she asked?

2) Rolf didn't like Stefano? It seemed from his interrogation scenes with Sami that he still liked Stefano quite a bit. I don't see him bonding with Susan over their mutual hatred of DiMera.

3) Susan wanted to kill Will as revenge....even though Sami didn't kill EJ? Why not instead try to find out who actually murdered EJ and why?

4) Susan knew where to be to witness Ben leaving the scene of the crime even though Ben himself didn't know he was going to kill Will the night it happened until it happened? And no one at that point even knew Ben was the Necktie Killer?

5) Susan would point a shotgun at Marlena and John?

6) Susan would be able to live with herself for bringing will back from the dead and then murdering him again? How did she even plan on murdering him?

7) Susan & Rolfe found a way to get the body out of the morgue but still have there be a body to put in the casket for the funeral?

8) After supposedly failing to revive Will, Susan would continue to live in Memphis rather than realize the insanity of what she had attempted to do and try to get back with Edmund?

 

... at least for that last one I have a theory. I haven't read spoilers so I can't say for sure but what if she has brainwashed Will into thinking he's really her son EJ? I doubt that they would implant Will with EJ's memories so much as just let him be a blank slate she could mother and call EJ. That would at least explain why she was determined to keep that shotgun at the ready. With EJ 2.0 and an Elvis impersonator as her new beau, Susan was kind of sort of living her fantasy life. Not that that would account for her terrible hair and crappy wardrobe mind you. Susan used to make very bold fashion choices but they were certainly never this sad.

Yeah. I'm....not loving the exposition dump that was yesterday's show. I could have enjoyed some scenes with Susan and her Elvis impersonator just being lovey-dovey. I like my Susan happy and quirky, not menacing. And as Marlena has said already, she's basically primed to get carted off to jail for what she's done. I don't want to see Susan locked up. It pisses me off that Ron has positioned her now as a deranged criminal when she's barely been on the show for the last several decades and happens to be one of my favorite characters.

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I am a total Wally Kurth fangirl and I think Judi Evans has never looked prettier than she has recently, so I really enjoyed their scenes.

It's a miracle that they're finally styling Judi in a way that is flattering. I think this Bonnie phase helped them experiment and get out of their typical rut. I also think Judi has been extremely compelling as Adrienne since her release from prison. Her scenes with Justin were actually wonderful. Judi was really feeling it and giving some subtle acting and it's honestly the first time I've liked her in the role of Adrienne since I started watching again in 2012.

I honestly can't keep track anymore of whether or not Chad is suspicious of Andre or accepting of him. And I really love Theo and Kate's relationship getting some screen time, but it's pretty telling that even Abigail fails to acknowledge it as a potential motivation for Theo wanting to protect the family. Or maybe she's just so hyper focused on Chad that anything anybody does must be because of their love for him rather than their love for Kate.

[Star Aristille]

47 minutes ago, DisneyBoy said:

2) Rolf didn't like Stefano? It seemed from his interrogation scenes with Sami that he still liked Stefano quite a bit. I don't see him bonding with Susan over their mutual hatred of DiMera.

John, Marlena, and Sami all pointed that out -- that Rolf had always adored Stefano.  Susan said that they came to an understanding about him.

47 minutes ago, DisneyBoy said:

3) Susan wanted to kill Will as revenge....even though Sami didn't kill EJ? Why not instead try to find out who actually murdered EJ and why?

Susan knows that Sami didn't kill E.J.  But she also knows that E.J. stayed in Salem, where he would be killed, because he wanted to stay with Sami.  That's why she blames Sami for E.J.'s death -- because he stayed in town for her.

Edited November 4, 2017 by Star Aristille

[annabel]

10 hours ago, Cupcake04 said:

Me too. I watch GH too and it amazes me that I can watch both but I don't see the other character he pkays, even thought they are so similar.. On GH I see Ned , not Justin and vice versa. Testament to how good WK is.

I haven't watched GH in a few years, is Wally still doing both?

[Star Aristille]

39 minutes ago, annabel said:

I haven't watched GH in a few years, is Wally still doing both?

Yes, he is.  But since this show has started using him (and Justin) a lot more, his screen time on GH has greatly lessened.

[Black Knight]

3 hours ago, DisneyBoy said:

... at least for that last one I have a theory. I haven't read spoilers so I can't say for sure but what if she has brainwashed Will into thinking he's really her son EJ? I doubt that they would implant Will with EJ's memories so much as just let him be a blank slate she could mother and call EJ.

I hope that's not it, because the idea of Sami's son being brainwashed into her husband, even though I'm sure "EJ" wouldn't know he has a wife, is so squicky.

[Sandman]

Yeah, that's a few more levels of wrong than I'm capable of handling.

Edited November 5, 2017 by Sandman

[BF4L]

Loving having Kassie/Eve back. I look forward to what's coming next for her and Brady. Sounds interesting!

[DisneyBoy]

I don't think Will would actually believe he is EJ, aka Sami's husband, as much as that he is Susan's son who she calls EJ.

I am still having a lot of trouble wrapping my head around Friday's revelations. I've already watched the episode twice and while it's wonderful seeing Eileen back on my screen, I still can't make the leaps in logic required to go along with this. Rolfe adoring Susan? Really? For me to believe that I would have had to seen it with my own eyes. If Ron expects us to go along with this craziness, he has to write the scenes that seem the most improbable so that we can watch them play out and follow along. Besides, wouldn't it have been fun to see Susan and Rolfe meeting?

And I definitely can't believe Susan would actively plan to murder Will, who I don't think she ever even had a scene with at any point in time since she debuted on the show, grief or no grief.

And she also didn't know Ben was a murderer so how could she have been there the night it happened?

Edited November 6, 2017 by DisneyBoy

[Star Aristille]

7 minutes ago, DisneyBoy said:

And she also didn't know Ben was a murderer so how could she have been there the night it happened?

She didn't know Ben was a murderer.  She just came to kill Will.  She didn't actually say where she was when it happened.  Just somewhere in town.

[Sandman]

Kill Will: Starring Susan Banks as The Bride (of Elvis) -- A Ron Carlivati/Ken Corday co-production, coming to no theatre, ever, near anyone. [/eyeroll font]

[DisneyBoy]

I guess it's possible she went to Will and Sonny's apartment, which became the defacto scene of the crime once Ben dumped his body there and left.

Edited November 6, 2017 by DisneyBoy

[Black Knight]

3 hours ago, DisneyBoy said:

I don't think Will would actually believe he is EJ, aka Sami's husband, as much as that he is Susan's son who she calls EJ.

I already got what you meant in your/my original posts, but I still don't want to see it. I feel like at some point there would inevitably be a conversation where Sami has to say to BrainwashedWill that he isn't EJ, because EJ was her husband while Will is her son. Not to mention the level of mindfuckery Sami would go through upon learning her son is identifying himself by her dead husband's name, even if he has none of EJ's memories and just believes he's Susan's son, full stop. I have a lot of tolerance, but it's still too much grossness for me.

So, of course, your theory is probably dead on. I'll stock up on brain bleach.

[DisneyBoy]

Yeah, it's not what I was hoping to see either. And I could very well be wrong. It's too messed up of a thing for Susan to do.

[Apprentice79]

46 minutes ago, Black Knight said:

I already got what you meant in your/my original posts, but I still don't want to see it. I feel like at some point there would inevitably be a conversation where Sami has to say to BrainwashedWill that he isn't EJ, because EJ was her husband while Will is her son. Not to mention the level of mindfuckery Sami would go through upon learning her son is identifying himself by her dead husband's name, even if he has none of EJ's memories and just believes he's Susan's son, full stop. I have a lot of tolerance, but it's still too much grossness for me.

So, of course, your theory is probably dead on. I'll stock up on brain bleach.

It is ironic that Susan took Will for her son EJ. I remember baby Will and Baby EJ on playdates together...lol. Yet, EJ became his stepfather and fathered his siblings..lol  There was a scene of Sami meeting EJ as a baby.  EJ remains the worst SORAS in the history of soaps.. EJ could have been a son of Stefano's, but, not the son he had with Susan..

Edited November 6, 2017 by Apprentice79

[pau]

1 hour ago, DisneyBoy said:

Yeah, it's not what I was hoping to see either. And I could very well be wrong. It's too messed up of a thing for Susan to do.

Sadly i think you're right..for the writers it is the more 'fun, dramatic, soapy' twist/direction ect...sigh..

[TigerLynx]

53 minutes ago, Apprentice79 said:

It is ironic that Susan took Will for her son EJ. I remember baby Will and Baby EJ on playdates together...lol. Yet, EJ became his stepfather and fathered his siblings..lol  There was a scene of Sami meeting EJ as a baby.  EJ remains the worst SORAS in the history of soaps.. EJ could have been a son of Stefano's, but, not the son he had with Susan..

If they needed another Dimera, they should have made EJ either Renee or Tony's long lost son.

How is it they have Sami back, and Will could be alive, but somehow the writers are once again ruining it?

[DisneyBoy]

It'll be interesting to see how Ron uses Will beyond this storyline. Returns are a great way to drum up buzz but after that initial fanfare you actually have to have a good story (*ahem* Bo, Kristen, Orpheus, Steve, etc)

[Apprentice79]

10 hours ago, TigerLynx said:

If they needed another Dimera, they should have made EJ either Renee or Tony's long lost son.

How is it they have Sami back, and Will could be alive, but somehow the writers are once again ruining it?

EJ could have been Stefano's nephew, determined to repair the Dimera name, after years of infamy. He could have been a very dark character or even a grey one.   Stefano has 6 brothers out there... Stefano being the seventh son of a seventh son was a big deal when he came to town.  It is why both Tony and Renee were both trying to give him an heir in their respective relationships with other people. 

Edited November 6, 2017 by Apprentice79

[Sandman]

11 hours ago, TigerLynx said:

How is it they have Sami back, and Will could be alive, but somehow the writers are once again ruining it?

We're just that lucky, I guess.

[BF4L]

That's Ron though. He's that special kind of awful.

[Apprentice79]

35 minutes ago, BF4L said:

That's Ron though. He's that special kind of awful.

He is awful. He reunited Steve and Kayla without addressing their issues about Tripp. He did the same thing with Justin and Adrienne.  Their relationship fell apart  years ago. Justin's infidelity and her indecisiveness when it came to Justin and Lucas. I am getting tired of Lucas being a drunk all the time.  Sami is shrieking all over the place.  Her constantly getting arrested was fine the first time, but, Ron refuses to let that go.  I am not confident that the story about Theo will be good. In fact, I think that it will awful and campy. Something that serious should not be played with...

Edited November 6, 2017 by Apprentice79

[FnkyChkn34]

30 minutes ago, Apprentice79 said:

He is awful. He reunited Steve and Kayla without addressing their issues about Tripp. He did the same thing with Justin and Adrienne.  Their relationship fell apart  years ago. Justin's infidelity and her indecisiveness when it came to Justin and Lucas. I am getting tired of Lucas being a drunk all the time.  Sami is shrieking all over the place.  Her constantly getting arrested was fine the first time, but, Ron refuses to let that go.  I am not confident that the story about Theo will be good. In fact, I think that it will awful and campy. Something that serious should not be played with...

I stopped watching a few weeks ago.  I tried to watch a few episodes last week but couldn't get through any of them in one sitting.  Two days of Sami was more than enough for me.  I realize that ALL of the characters on this show are self-righteous, but I find her to be the worst.  And yeah, how many times can someone get arrested in a 24 hour span?  And why does she keep getting bail?  

[BF4L]

I know first hand given his writing on OLTL and GH how much character destruction and plot driven writing he does. I can't say I'm surprised. I guess I'm just happy I've never been as invested in DAYS as I was with the other two because 2011-2013 were HELL YEARS because of Cartini.

Edited November 6, 2017 by BF4L

[BF4L]

45 minutes ago, Apprentice79 said:

He is awful. He reunited Steve and Kayla without addressing their issues about Tripp. He did the same thing with Justin and Adrienne.  Their relationship fell apart  years ago. Justin's infidelity and her indecisiveness when it came to Justin and Lucas. I am getting tired of Lucas being a drunk all the time.  Sami is shrieking all over the place.  Her constantly getting arrested was fine the first time, but, Ron refuses to let that go.  I am not confident that the story about Theo will be good. In fact, I think that it will awful and campy. Something that serious should not be played with...

He did such a poor job writing couples always. For OLTL's finale, he just did slapped together reunions at the end with zero depth. It was pretty much all on the actors to make something out of it. He has very poor build ups and fall outs. The only thing that guy can do is events. Like 1 episode events. But it means nothing when the story is crap and he never focuses on character-driven writing.

[DisneyBoy]

The way you guys describe his work it doesn't sound much better than Dena's, but I would say that so far things have improved. At least he's thinking about what fans want to see rather than forcing in elements that only he cares about (the way Dena did with the Hernandii and Ava). I think his story pacing could use some improvement, but these are at least stories worth tuning in to see. The fact that he didn't immediately ignore everything Dena had set up and took some time to wrap those stories up and build new ones from them is admirable.

And from what I understood today, Susan's story on Friday was mostly improvised, correct? From what she said to her boyfriend, I understood that she didn't really return to Salem to try and kill Will like she'd claimed. If that's true, then I can breathe a sigh of relief. I was watching some of my favorite Susan clips over the weekend and she has never been that vindictive or cold blooded. I really love this character and from what I saw today maybe Ron understands that she isn't just some deranged hick he can throw into whatever plot he wants.

Adrienne and Justin's reunion has been rushed to some degree, but I think it's a course correction fans can get behind. Adrienne and Lucas never had any chemistry and the show's reasons for breaking up Justin and Adrienne seemed flimsy to begin with. Why not put them back together?

I'm not sure how Ron could have really salvaged the Steve and Kayla stuff that's been going on (going wrong) for the last few years. I think he's doing pretty well considering. They are together but it's kind of tentative and Mary Beth is doing a great job of showing all the conflicting emotions within Kayla. If she was suddenly okay with Tripp completely and all was forgiven, we'd be calling BS. But we also don't want to see them broken up, so this is the best we can hope for.

Is John wearing the dog tags from his crazy father's military days in Korea? I noticed the chain under his sweatshirt during a close up shot and I can't think of any other dog tags John would be wearing. The ISA doesn't have dog tags, right? I think it would be really cool if Drake or the Wardrobe Department decided that John wanted to hold on to that one respectable part of his father, in spite of what a psycho he turned out to be in the end.

Yay for CS finally getting a compelling story! He was rocking it today wasn't he? I'm curious to see how this plays out.

Sami asking Lucas to let her help him got my eyes all welling up. I think I heard somewhere that Allison felt her scenes with Lucas during this return were some of their best if not their best ever. With stuff like this on my screen, I'm inclined to agree.

Basically the only thing in today's episode that was boring was - surprise surprise - the Chad/Abigail stuff. It's really pathetic that in spite of going to school Abigail has no life of her own. She worked at the hospital with Mommy and now works at DiMera with her husband. Her working at the police station as a receptionist, however little Chad might have thought of that position (which is BS, considering he didn't come from money), really was the only time in her life she did something for herself, wasn't it? Abby has no ambition whatsoever.

Speaking of which, I'm still waiting for Gabi's fashion consultant/image consultant job to be referenced or developed.

But a good episode with some nice forward momentum.

Does anybody else get the sinking feeling that this Who Is Sabotaging The Company storyline with Kate & Theo is just groundwork for another Deimos style villain to come onto the show with way too much unearned cred? Once burned...

Edited November 6, 2017 by DisneyBoy

[swtrgrl]

I think the Dimera end game is the fact that

Tyler Christopher is coming on with Loiuse Sorrell...so whomever TC plays plus LS's character. Having a brain fart.

[kitmerlot1213]

I'm dying at Abs wanting to get back to "her career."  Does she mean her alleged publicist job, the job that her mother hired her for and when she lost that job, couldn't find any other employment in that field?  And now she's going to compound that by working for her husband's company? Alrighty then :):)   

And there was something rather manipulative in how Abby was talking to Chad today, especially when he immediately offered her a job.  Her weird smile when she answered that she didn't know if she wanted to go back to work seemed so odd.

So Paul's going to be the villain that keeps Sonny and Will apart--that could be very compelling if it's done right.  

The Sami/Lucas scenes are just gut-wrenching, especially their desperation to have their son back.  The actors are doing a superb job with this storyline.

[DisneyBoy]

Don't you try and tempt me with spoilers now....!

[buffynut]

Ron's writing may not be perfect, but is there anyone writing daytime these days who's perfect?  Days is the only soap I watch, and I feel his writing is the most consistent of the writers I've seen the past 3+ years.

Not sure who we're supposed to be rooting for in this Paul/Sonny/Will triangle, but I'm feeling Paul's pain with doing what's morally right, and doing what's right for himself.

Was Susan always that garble-y when she talks. I have to turn the close captioning on to understand what she's saying.

Did anyone else think Sami and Lucas were going to kiss?

I think I know where the Dimera thing is going, and if I'm right, that will be one more spoiler I can cross off my list. And since I don't want to read swtrgrl's hidden content, I can't check to see if it's the same thing I think I know. 

Abby & Chad really are boring. They need some sort of fun adventure, like Jack and Jennifer used to have.

Wonder what Marlena has in the bag she's been carrying around her shoulder all episode?

Edited November 6, 2017 by buffynut

[Silver Raven]

Mnemonics, not pneumonics. Different words.

Maybe Will is only mostly dead.

Abigail has a career?

Chabby are sickeningly sweet.

[BF4L]

3 hours ago, DisneyBoy said:

The way you guys describe his work it doesn't sound much better than Dena's, but I would say that so far things have improved. At least he's thinking about what fans want to see rather than forcing in elements that only he cares about (the way Dena did with the Hernandii and Ava). I think his story pacing could use some improvement, but these are at least stories worth tuning in to see. The fact that he didn't immediately ignore everything Dena had set up and took some time to wrap those stories up and build new ones from them is admirable.

And from what I understood today, Susan's story on Friday was mostly improvised, correct? From what she said to her boyfriend, I understood that she didn't really return to Salem to try and kill Will like she'd claimed. If that's true, then I can breathe a sigh of relief. I was watching some of my favorite Susan clips over the weekend and she has never been that vindictive or cold blooded. I really love this character and from what I saw today maybe Ron understands that she isn't just some deranged hick he can throw into whatever plot he wants.

Adrienne and Justin's reunion has been rushed to some degree, but I think it's a course correction fans can get behind. Adrienne and Lucas never had any chemistry and the show's reasons for breaking up Justin and Adrienne seemed flimsy to begin with. Why not put them back together?

I'm not sure how Ron could have really salvaged the Steve and Kayla stuff that's been going on (going wrong) for the last few years. I think he's doing pretty well considering. They are together but it's kind of tentative and Mary Beth is doing a great job of showing all the conflicting emotions within Kayla. If she was suddenly okay with Tripp completely and all was forgiven, we'd be calling BS. But we also don't want to see them broken up, so this is the best we can hope for.

Is John wearing the dog tags from his crazy father's military days in Korea? I noticed the chain under his sweatshirt during a close up shot and I can't think of any other dog tags John would be wearing. The ISA doesn't have dog tags, right? I think it would be really cool if Drake or the Wardrobe Department decided that John wanted to hold on to that one respectable part of his father, in spite of what a psycho he turned out to be in the end.

Yay for CS finally getting a compelling story! He was rocking it today wasn't he? I'm curious to see how this plays out.

Sami asking Lucas to let her help him got my eyes all welling up. I think I heard somewhere that Allison felt her scenes with Lucas during this return were some of their best if not their best ever. With stuff like this on my screen, I'm inclined to agree.

Basically the only thing in today's episode that was boring was - surprise surprise - the Chad/Abigail stuff. It's really pathetic that in spite of going to school Abigail has no life of her own. She worked at the hospital with Mommy and now works at DiMera with her husband. Her working at the police station as a receptionist, however little Chad might have thought of that position (which is BS, considering he didn't come from money), really was the only time in her life she did something for herself, wasn't it? Abby has no ambition whatsoever.

Speaking of which, I'm still waiting for Gabi's fashion consultant/image consultant job to be referenced or developed.

But a good episode with some nice forward momentum.

Does anybody else get the sinking feeling that this Who Is Sabotaging The Company storyline with Kate & Theo is just groundwork for another Deimos style villain to come onto the show with way too much unearned cred? Once burned...

I will say Dena was bad. Really bad. But IMO Ron was the worst at least on OLTL where he succeeded her. I hear he's fit better on DAYS but his campy style never suit OLTL or GH.

[Star Aristille]

Well, I think it's safe to say that Paul has punched his ticket for Sonny breaking up with him with his actions today.

More Tripp and Claire, please.  Not the most interesting of characters, either one, but they seem to actually try to be better people when they're around each other.

Sami and Lucas broke my heart today.  As much as I like Paul, I really hope they rail on him for keeping it a secret that he saw Will.

[kitmerlot1213]

Tripp and Claire are charming together and I find myself smiling during their scenes.  I wonder what sort of drama Ron has planned for them :)

[buffynut]

I'm liking Claire and Tripp, as well. They're the first teen couple that actually shows a bit of chemistry. Hopefully Ron won't screw it up.

[tribeca]

Paul took so long answering John and Marlena about who he saw in the bar.   The look on johns face made me think he knew Paul wasn’t being totally honest.  

   Sami and Lucas were really heartbreaking.   They have so much chemistry and history.  

@buffynut  Marlena big bag is probably filled with bail money for Sami.  

[Sandman]

The idea of Marlena's keeping a Big Bag of Bail Money For Sami at the ready is tickling me.

[Frozendiva]

Since when does Abigail have the PR and communications skills for a major international company? To do that sort of campaign, she'd need at least 10 years experience and probably a master's in PR/communications.

I can understand Paul hedging on mentioning seeing a young man who resembled the dearly departed William.

Sami and Lucas are two sides of a very desperate coin.

Susan and Elvis wannabe sure are up to something.  No real discernible motive. Yet.

Claire and Tripp are cute together.

Theo must have a very good computer and software and spyware to find out so much about the DiMera hacking or whatever it is.

[Silver Raven]

So what happens when "newspaperwoman" Jennifer asks questions of PR flak Abigail that DiMera doesn't want to answer?

Edited November 7, 2017 by Silver Raven

[Sandman]

21 minutes ago, Frozendiva said:

Theo must have a very good computer and software and spyware to find out so much about the DiMera hacking or whatever it is.

I'm afraid the show will just explain it away by suggesting that Theo has a "gift" for hacking because ... autism; you know, the usual television "disability as superpower" nonsense, instead of a nuanced portrayal.

4 minutes ago, Silver Raven said:

So what happens when "newspaperwoman" Jennifer asks questions of PR flak Abigail that DiMera doesn't want to answer?

I'm guessing the fold in spacetime that allows people to get across town in an instant implodes, and all the versions of Roman, Jawn, Santo, Chris Kositchek and sundry Alamains merge into one Hydra-headed, single-brained organism?

[JBC344]

I'm not thrilled with the Susan turn the plot is taking but I'm not calling for Ron's resignation just yet.  I'm really liking most of the changes.  I do agree that Sami's histrionics have been a bit much.  She is running around like a chicken with her head cut off.  Sami has always been impulsive but never crazed.  Sami is also an incredibly wealthy woman, she just recently referenced inheriting hundreds of millions of dollars of EJ's.  I'm expecting some more finesse from Sami at this stage.

Loving the Kate and Theo scenes.  So glad that we are getting more of that.  They were very close when Theo was a child and Kate and Celeste are the only grandmothers he has known.  Loved the "No-No" reference.  Young Theo loved him some "Kate and No-No".   This is one thing Ron is getting right for me, despite the Susan plot (which I'm hating so far, this is not Susan), he has been bringing relationships to the forefront.  Kate and Theo.  Maggie being concerned about Lucas again.  Now that Daniel is gone I'm so glad we are seeing the Maggie/Lucas relationship again.

One thing that has been slightly bothering me and I feel is a little off base is how Will being alive is barely affecting "second-tier" characters.  For example, the scene where Jennifer grills Kate about Dimera and Kate says to Jennifer that she knows what is going on in her family.  That to me would of been the perfect opportunity for Jennifer to pipe in that of course she does and that she is Will's aunt and the situation is driving her crazy too.  Or Eric mentioning "All that is going on with Will".  Yes Eric, your murdered nephew, son of your beloved twin, may in fact be alive.  Can you be bothered to muster up any interest. 

Same with Brady, Victor, or anyone else who loved Will.  Will possibly being alive should be a much bigger deal to these characters and they are emoting as if their old favorite tv show is being re-booted.  Hell, even Hope who has experience coming back from the "dead", is incredibly skeptical, despite the fact that this mirrors her own experience as well as she is both Will's aunt and cousin, and watched him grow up.  Or take Chad, Will's former best friend can barely muster a passing mention of excitement over the possibility.

I'm not exactly feeling the new "crazed" version of Sami we are getting but at least she is reacting realistically to the idea that her murdered child may be alive.  There is skepticism and then there is disinterest.

[annabel]

I only starting watching again after decades away maybe six months or so before Will was murdered, so I am not terribly invested in this (especially since the Will I knew is not this actor), but I agree that there are a lot of characters who should be a lot more interested in this than they seem to be. Sami does need to take it down a few notches though

[msrachelj]

4 hours ago, JBC344 said:

I'm not thrilled with the Susan turn the plot is taking but I'm not calling for Ron's resignation just yet.  I'm really liking most of the changes.  I do agree that Sami's histrionics have been a bit much.  She is running around like a chicken with her head cut off.  Sami has always been impulsive but never crazed.  Sami is also an incredibly wealthy woman, she just recently referenced inheriting hundreds of millions of dollars of EJ's.  I'm expecting some more finesse from Sami at this stage.

Loving the Kate and Theo scenes.  So glad that we are getting more of that.  They were very close when Theo was a child and Kate and Celeste are the only grandmothers he has known.  Loved the "No-No" reference.  Young Theo loved him some "Kate and No-No".   This is one thing Ron is getting right for me, despite the Susan plot (which I'm hating so far, this is not Susan), he has been bringing relationships to the forefront.  Kate and Theo.  Maggie being concerned about Lucas again.  Now that Daniel is gone I'm so glad we are seeing the Maggie/Lucas relationship again.

One thing that has been slightly bothering me and I feel is a little off base is how Will being alive is barely affecting "second-tier" characters.  For example, the scene where Jennifer grills Kate about Dimera and Kate says to Jennifer that she knows what is going on in her family.  That to me would of been the perfect opportunity for Jennifer to pipe in that of course she does and that she is Will's aunt and the situation is driving her crazy too.  Or Eric mentioning "All that is going on with Will".  Yes Eric, your murdered nephew, son of your beloved twin, may in fact be alive.  Can you be bothered to muster up any interest. 

Same with Brady, Victor, or anyone else who loved Will.  Will possibly being alive should be a much bigger deal to these characters and they are emoting as if their old favorite tv show is being re-booted.  Hell, even Hope who has experience coming back from the "dead", is incredibly skeptical, despite the fact that this mirrors her own experience as well as she is both Will's aunt and cousin, and watched him grow up.  Or take Chad, Will's former best friend can barely muster a passing mention of excitement over the possibility.

I'm not exactly feeling the new "crazed" version of Sami we are getting but at least she is reacting realistically to the idea that her murdered child may be alive.  There is skepticism and then there is disinterest.

"nonno" is italian for grandfather. :)