Bethenny Frankel: Skinny Girl

[WhoaWhoKnew]

32 minutes ago, QuinnM said:

I have no problem with Dennis being around Brynn.  It did not involve children. His offense was 30+ years ago.  He was punished.  Since then he has led a pretty clean life.  Married, fathered children, stuck around to raise them.  So at this point he is clean slate.  I feel the same about a DUI.  If you take the punishment and over time live a life that says that is not part of who you are, then I won’t call you a drunk or a danger.  Or shoplifters, same feeling.  It really is the old adage ‘time will tell’.  I had the Kennedy nephew on my watch list for decades and he’s not reoffended.  

All crime is not known and sexual crimes are even more unknown. 

And really, it is a hell of a lot easier to rehab a shoplifter or drunk driver than a sexual offender.

[WireWrap]

1 hour ago, QuinnM said:

I have no problem with Dennis being around Brynn.  It did not involve children. His offense was 30+ years ago.  He was punished.  Since then he has led a pretty clean life.  Married, fathered children, stuck around to raise them.  So at this point he is clean slate.  I feel the same about a DUI.  If you take the punishment and over time live a life that says that is not part of who you are, then I won’t call you a drunk or a danger.  Or shoplifters, same feeling.  It really is the old adage ‘time will tell’.  I had the Kennedy nephew on my watch list for decades and he’s not reoffended.  

Wait, WHAT? Dennis was accused of rape as well as Michael Cerussi III? I had not read that and if it's true, Bethenny sure can pick them! 

[QuinnM]

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And really, it is a hell of a lot easier to rehab a shoplifter or drunk driver than a sexual offender.

I don’t know the current stats.  None of them are known for low recitivism.  But Michael was suspended from school for his complicity in a rape.  No details on what that means.  And back then who knows.  And behind college walls?  Damn, I wouldn’t even want to guess.  So not a sex offender.  No recitivism.  And that’s what I mean about time will tell.  

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Bad Memory

[QuinnM]

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Wait, WHAT? Dennis was accused of rape as well as Michael Cerussi III? I had not read that and if it's true, Bethenny sure can

Oh, damn.  My bad. Don’t drive or post while drinking.  

[WireWrap]

17 minutes ago, QuinnM said:

I don’t know the current stats.  None of them are known for low recitivism.  But Michael was suspended from school for his complicity in a rape.  No details on what that means.  And back then who knows.  And behind college walls?  Damn, I wouldn’t even want to guess.  So not a sex offender.  No recitivism.  And that’s what I mean about time will tell.  

Sadly, many colleges/universities keep rape accusations in house and do not turn them over to the local police departments, which in turn allows rapists to get away with it. That MC was "suspended" (aka kicked out) means he was found guilty by the college/university disciplinary board, other wise he wouldn't have been "suspended"/disciplined at all. So, he is not someone I would want my daughter to date or to be around my granddaughter. 

12 minutes ago, QuinnM said:

Oh, damn.  My bad. Don’t drive or post while drinking.  

LOL I wondered if I missed something.

[film noire]

5 hours ago, QuinnM said:

But Michael was suspended from school for his complicity in a rape.  No details on what that means. 

There are plenty of details. A young female student accused Cerussi and his friend of raping her, and the college -- back in 2000, mind you, when nobody believed female rape victims on campus (not that many are believed even today) - found her completely credible and expelled him. His "defense" was every rapist's favourite trope: 

"Cerussi alleged that the woman had sex with both him and his fraternity brother Frederik Bailey in November 2000 and that it was consensual. He said that the woman only called it rape and reported it to the school as such after she found out that others knew about her activities (the implication here seems to be that she was embarrassed). Cerussi and Bailey were suspended and subsequently expelled in December. A follow-up disciplinary hearing came later, though the expulsion was upheld. That's when Cerussi filed his suit (against the victim, the school and the disciplinary board).

Though the case made it to the New York State District Court far enough to be denied a transfer from Northern District Court (Cerussi wanted the case tried in Westchester), it seems like that's where it stopped. Reporters at the Daily Mail (and Radar Online), probably the people Cerussi was worried about by going to TMZ, found that the case was dismissed "with prejudice" in January 2003 "after numerous legal issues." Cerussi apparently completed his studies at the University of Connecticut.

Bethenny Frankel's new boyfriend: not a rapist, wants you to know that."

https://jezebel.com/bethenny-frankels-new-boyfriend-is-no-rapist-no-siree-1494016161

And whether he's guilty or not, if I found out a man I'd been dating for a few months had been accused of rape, I certainly wouldn't take him on outings with my daughter after that revelation.  (Or use my hired guns to defend him to the media after the story broke).

It'd be one thing if this were a committed relationship of some time standing - or she had years of knowing the guy as a friend  -  but the relationship started when she picked Cerussi up in a bar, so there's no reason to implicitly trust him, or put the new relationship above keeping your kid out of anything creepy.

Edited January 6, 2018 by film noire

[Duke2801]

8 hours ago, KungFuBunny said:

Just scroll through you can listen to old podcasts on every Bravo Show.

You should try a NY one, their impressions are hilarious. Bethenny sounds like Woody Allen. Her assistants names are Wassamatter and Wassup. Dorinda slurs and becomes more and more irate, Their recaps are hysterical.

“Can you believe it girls? I’m going to rehab! Me! Countess Luanne!”

[BBHN]

"I got the rehab!"

[film noire]

7 hours ago, QuinnM said:

 I feel the same about a DUI.  

Rape and a DUI are not in the same league, imo. Frankel introduced her kid to a man credibly accused of tag-team raping a coed. She did so after the allegations surfaced, and she included him in several family outings with Bryn, creating dozens of pap photos of them all over the net.  Beyond creepy. 

7 hours ago, QuinnM said:

  I had the Kennedy nephew on my watch list for decades and he’s not reoffended.  

That you know of - and (sadly) given Weinstein and co, I wouldn't bet the house on that.

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[Otherkate]

15 hours ago, KungFuBunny said:

Her assistants names are Wassamatter and Wassup. 

OMG, hilarious!

[film noire]

On 1/5/2018 at 7:24 PM, WireWrap said:

Wait, WHAT? Dennis was accused of rape as well as Michael Cerussi III? 

I had the same reaction :)

Edited January 7, 2018 by film noire

[Christi]

Is she back with the younger guy? I googled them and it says they broke up in 2015. She appeared to be just with girlfriends on NYE

[film noire]

1 hour ago, Christi said:

Is she back with the younger guy? 

No -- pretty sure she's still with Shields (or if they've broken up, she's not announced it publicly). 

Edited January 7, 2018 by film noire

[QuinnM]

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No -- pretty sure she's still with Shields (or if they've broken up, she's not announced it publicly). 

You can’t tell from her social media.  When they got back together you didn’t see him.  You don’t see him now.  You don’t see her with other guys either.  So who knows.  And that’s probably how she likes it.

[Happy Camper]

8 minutes ago, QuinnM said:

You can’t tell from her social media.  When they got back together you didn’t see him.  You don’t see him now.  You don’t see her with other guys either.  So who knows.  And that’s probably how she likes it.

She is very careful with what she discloses. Must say smart move.

But then it makes me question what really goes on with her life.

[BBHN]

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She is very careful with what she discloses. Must say smart move.

But then it makes me question what really goes on with her life.

Damned if she does, damned if she doesn't. I guess some people can't win either way.

[film noire]

5 hours ago, Happy Camper said:

But then it makes me question what really goes on with her life.

She plays the "Being on reality tv means I'm TOTES honest and unfiltered about my whole life - judge away!" but it's all smoke and mirrors. If her fellow cast members gave her the Frankel treatment, she'd fold like a cheap suit.

[Martinigirl]

On 1/6/2018 at 0:34 AM, BBHN said:

"I got the rehab!"

LOL!!!!!

[gundysgirl]

On 1/5/2018 at 8:42 PM, film noire said:

There are plenty of details. A young female student accused Cerussi and his friend of raping her, and the college -- back in 2000, mind you, when nobody believed female rape victims on campus (not that many are believed even today) - found her completely credible and expelled him. His "defense" was every rapist's favourite trope: 

"Cerussi alleged that the woman had sex with both him and his fraternity brother Frederik Bailey in November 2000 and that it was consensual. He said that the woman only called it rape and reported it to the school as such after she found out that others knew about her activities (the implication here seems to be that she was embarrassed). Cerussi and Bailey were suspended and subsequently expelled in December. A follow-up disciplinary hearing came later, though the expulsion was upheld. That's when Cerussi filed his suit (against the victim, the school and the disciplinary board).

Though the case made it to the New York State District Court far enough to be denied a transfer from Northern District Court (Cerussi wanted the case tried in Westchester), it seems like that's where it stopped. Reporters at the Daily Mail (and Radar Online), probably the people Cerussi was worried about by going to TMZ, found that the case was dismissed "with prejudice" in January 2003 "after numerous legal issues." Cerussi apparently completed his studies at the University of Connecticut.

Bethenny Frankel's new boyfriend: not a rapist, wants you to know that."

https://jezebel.com/bethenny-frankels-new-boyfriend-is-no-rapist-no-siree-1494016161

And whether he's guilty or not, if I found out a man I'd been dating for a few months had been accused of rape, I certainly wouldn't take him on outings with my daughter after that revelation.  (Or use my hired guns to defend him to the media after the story broke).

It'd be one thing if this were a committed relationship of some time standing - or she had years of knowing the guy as a friend  -  but the relationship started when she picked Cerussi up in a bar, so there's no reason to implicitly trust him, or put the new relationship above keeping your kid out of anything creepy.

I don't mean to defend Cerussi, but there is more to the story. I tend to give the woman the benefit of the doubt in these situations, but the whole story should be told. This from the article below: 

Michael Cerussi III was accused of rape while a student at Union College in Schenectady, N.Y., but to be clear, the alleged victim never filed a police report and no charges were ever filed outside of the victim’s complaint to the school.

Cerussi filed a lawsuit in 2001 against Union College and the alleged victim, following his expulsion from the school in 2000 after a female student he partied with accused him and a fellow fraternity brother of having sex with her against her will. The case dragged out for two years, before a settlement was reached and the case was voluntarily dismissed.

According to one of Cerussi’s former lawyers, the school agreed to reverse the expulsion and reinstate him as part of the settlement, though Cerussi never returned to UC. Confidenti@l is withholding the name of the alleged victim out of respect for her privacy.

According to court papers, the alleged victim accused Cerussi and another fraternity brother of raping her at a fraternity house. While Cerussi admitted to engaging in consensual sexual relations with her, he denied that he raped her. Another court document summarizes Cerussi’s version of what happened as he alleged in his lawsuit:

“Plaintiff (Cerussi) and (another fraternity brother) met (victim) at a bar near UC late Friday night, November 11, 2000. (Victim) accompanied them back to their fraternity house and had sexual intercourse with both men. Plaintiff and (victim) talked afterwards, he drove her home, and she kissed him good-night. (Victim) then joked with her roommate about having sex with both men, and did not state that she had been raped.

“At brunch the next morning, (victim) told a girlfriend that she had sex with two men, but did not claim that she had been raped. But shortly thereafter, when some of plaintiff’s fraternity brothers laughed as they passed her table, (victim) assumed they had been told that she had sex with plaintiff and (a fraternity brother). That evening, (victim) received a phone call from another of plaintiff’s fraternity brothers, and inferred from the conversation that (he) knew she had sex with plaintiff and (another fraternity brother). Sometime later, (victim) concluded that she had been raped, went to Ellis Hospital and reported the same. On the following day, November 13, 2000, (victim) reported to (the then associate Dean of Students) that she had been raped.”

http://www.nydailynews.com/entertainment/gossip/confidential/bethenny-frankel-beau-faced-rape-claim-back-2000-article-1.1565769

Not to defend Bethenny either, but she knew the guy 14 years later. Perhaps she decided at the end of the day that it was all hinky. Maybe she decided it wasn't a good look for her to be dating him. Who knows? What I do believe is that both Bethenny and Jason love their daughter. I believe they would protect her. If Jason believed that Bethenny was putting their daughter at some sort of risk with her dating behavior, why didn't he do anything? Or maybe he did quietly, but he didn't take any actions (legally, that I have heard) to put any limits on her dating in light of this relationship. Wouldn't he have done something if he thought her dating habits reckless? 

Edited January 8, 2018 by gundysgirl

[QuinnM]

So today on Bethenny’s Insta.  She is debuting the Skinny Girl Jeans line.  I have to say it looks a little more professional than Sonja’s.  She hasn’t said where they are being marketed etc but did mention that everything will retail for around $100.

[jaync]

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Frankel introduced her kid to a man credibly accused of tag-team raping a coed.

But his rape victim wasn't a child, so it's all good!

[Martinigirl]

1 hour ago, QuinnM said:

So today on Bethenny’s Insta.  She is debuting the Skinny Girl Jeans line.  I have to say it looks a little more professional than Sonja’s.  She hasn’t said where they are being marketed etc but did mention that everything will retail for around $100.

Read that in WWD...she will also have sizes in the plus range.  They will sold online. She partnered with (?) One Jeans? 

Edited January 8, 2018 by Martinigirl

[film noire]

5 hours ago, gundysgirl said:

I don't mean to defend Cerussi, but there is more to the story. I tend to give the woman the benefit of the doubt in these situations, but the whole story should be told. 

The "more to the story" you're presenting is not undisputed truth, but Cerussi's counter claims laid out in his lawsuit (basically, every defense ever claimed by every rapist -- that the woman "wanted it", got embarassed, and cried rape. He's the victim here, not her). The "whole story" is this: Cerussi and Bailey were suspended as the associate dean (Kathleen Schurick) investigated the woman's claims.  She found them both guilty & they were expelled. A second hearing was held, at which Cerussi was allowed to question the victim's roommate and friends, but the expulsion was still upheld. Cerussi then sued UC/the victim and alleged that "Because he is male, Schurick discriminated against him and pre-determined his guilt, thereby violating both UC's Disciplinary Procedural Guidelines". After two years and numerous legal problems, that lawsuit was dismissed with prejudice (can never be reopened) in January 2003, with the agreement of all parties. The settlement (if any) is not public.

That's enough to give any sane woman pause, imo, not make her jump into defending a credibly accused rapist and bringing him on outings with her kid, after not knowing him for more than a couple of months. YMMV.

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 Wouldn't he have done something if he thought her dating habits reckless? 

At the time, a couple of online gossip sites said Hoppy tried & the judge refused.

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[Otherkate]

1 hour ago, QuinnM said:

  I have to say it looks a little more professional than Sonja’s. 

Setting a low bar there! Haha.

[film noire]

Thought it was more gossip sites than just Radar (re: Hoppy asking for limits on Bryn being around Frankel's dates) but maybe not:

".... Jason had previously asked a judge to issue an order prohibiting Bethenny from having any of her boyfriends around Bryn. The judge denied Jason’s request before, citing the fact that there was no evidence that being around her mother’s boyfriends harmed her....Jason is currently mulling over his legal options in light of the reports that Bethenny is dating Michael. “He is concerned about the past allegations surrounding Michael. It’s just a very sad situation because Jason and Bethenny continue to argue over care of Bryn, all while still living under the same roof.”

https://radaronline.com/exclusives/2014/01/bethenny-frankel-estranged-husband-jason-hoppy-doesnt-want-new-boyfriend-spending-time-with-their-daughter/

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[BBHN]

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  I have to say it looks a little more professional than Sonja’s. 

I think could Brynn could do a better job organizing a fashion line than Sonja.

[Martinigirl]

I always find the housekeeper(s)  and ask for an extra towel (or whatever) I then ask a dumb question (where can I grab a coffee in the hotel?) ...that way I feel better that the staff knows who I am and I KNOW WHO THEY ARE. :) 

[Rap541]

".... Jason had previously asked a judge to issue an order prohibiting Bethenny from having any of her boyfriends around Bryn. The judge denied Jason’s request before, citing the fact that there was no evidence that being around her mother’s boyfriends harmed her....Jason is currently mulling over his legal options in light of the reports that Bethenny is dating Michael. “He is concerned about the past allegations surrounding Michael." From a legal standpoint, like it or not, Cerussi is not a convicted rapist. His past history? Is that he's never been convicted of rape. He hasn't harmed Betheny or her child, or threatened to harm either. I've sadly had friends in the sort of rape situation described and unfortunately, the system does fail both sides. Sometimes a woman's rapist does go free, and yes, sometimes a guy gets accused wrongly. In the case of Michael - a judge has this to work with - he has never been convicted of rape. If a judge decides to restrict Bethenny's access to Michael based on no conviction and a whole lot of he said/ she said from 17 years ago.... well, first, its very unlikely a judge would do that, if they did make that order, it would certainly be appealed since the judge would be holding Michael accountable for a crime he was never convicted of. Michael sounds like a sleazeball but I don't think there's anything for Jason to cling to on this.

[Mindthinkr]

6 minutes ago, Martinigirl said:

I always find the housekeeper(s)  and ask for an extra towel (or whatever) I then ask a dumb question (where can I grab a coffee in the hotel?) ...that way I feel better that the staff knows who I am and I KNOW WHO THEY ARE. :) 

I always leave them a handwritten 'thank you' and tip. They seem to appreciate it and I always have plenty of what I need. I know they don't make big bucks either so hopefully they can get a treat with the extra dosh as well. 

[gundysgirl]

58 minutes ago, film noire said:

Thought it was more gossip sites than just Radar (re: Hoppy asking for limits on Bryn being around Frankel's dates) but maybe not:

".... Jason had previously asked a judge to issue an order prohibiting Bethenny from having any of her boyfriends around Bryn. The judge denied Jason’s request before, citing the fact that there was no evidence that being around her mother’s boyfriends harmed her....Jason is currently mulling over his legal options in light of the reports that Bethenny is dating Michael. “He is concerned about the past allegations surrounding Michael. It’s just a very sad situation because Jason and Bethenny continue to argue over care of Bryn, all while still living under the same roof.”

https://radaronline.com/exclusives/2014/01/bethenny-frankel-estranged-husband-jason-hoppy-doesnt-want-new-boyfriend-spending-time-with-their-daughter/

Thanks for this. I had never read this. 

I am mostly stunned to see "sources close to Hoppy" in print. Others know better than I do, but I am often reading that Jason doesn't have folks that talk to the press. There is this example, so maybe there are more? 

[QuinnM]

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 I am mostly stunned to see "sources close to Hoppy" in print. Others know better than I do, but I am often reading that Jason doesn't have folks that talk to the press. There is this example, so maybe there are more? 

Back before the gag order there were a lot of negative Bethenny items with the tag.  Things like she moved out when he was at work and took all the pots/pans/silverware and just left him with plastic forks and paper plates.  That she didn’t pay any attention to Bryn.  That Bryn was just a marketing tool for a book etc.  All sources close to the couple or friend of Hoppy.  And if it’s that negative it’s not someone close to Bethenny.

[film noire]

22 minutes ago, gundysgirl said:

Thanks for this. 

You're welcome. (Lots of stuff there-- some valid, some not :)

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I am mostly stunned to see "sources close to Hoppy" in print. Others know better than I do, but I am often reading that Jason doesn't have folks that talk to the press. 

I may have missed posts, but the core criticism I've read others post (and posted myself) has been of Frankel publicly trashing her daughter's father versus Hoppy not publicly trashing his daughter's mother ("sources" versus "your own mouth" = very different impact, imo).

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 Cerussi is not a convicted rapist. 

My post was in response to Gundy's Girl asking why Hoppy didn't protest if Cerussi was a problem, not confusion on my part as to why the judge did not grant that request.

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[BBHN]

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All sources close to the couple or friend of Hoppy.  And if it’s that negative it’s not someone close to Bethenny.

In some cases, probably just Hoppy speaking through a friend/family member.

[smores]

There was a post just recently that explicitly said that we have NEVER seen any posts citing "sources close to Hoppy"  So, there are the elusive sources spotted in the wild.  

[WireWrap]

7 minutes ago, smores said:

There was a post just recently that explicitly said that we have NEVER seen any posts citing "sources close to Hoppy"  So, there are the elusive sources spotted in the wild.  

90% of the "sources close to Hoppy" are culled from court paperwork, his lawyers comments in court or the lawyers general comments in the press, whereas most of the comments against Jason are directly from Bethenny (or Carole). Big difference IMO. Jason, himself, has yet to give his side of this or make any statement to any press/tabloid unlike Bethenny. Is it possible that someone that knows Jason has made passing comments to the press, sure, but most of his friends don't have an in with the tabloids/press so it is also possible that the reports of someone close to him are fake/made up. 

[Celia Rubenstein]

5 minutes ago, WireWrap said:

 Is it possible that someone that knows Jason has made passing comments to the press, sure, but most of his friends don't have an in with the tabloids/press so it is also possible that the reports of someone close to him are fake/made up. 

How does anyone know who Jason's friends are or what kind of connections they may have to the tabloids/press? 

Not that it matters anyway. Because the only "connection" anybody needs is a telephone connection and a report's phone number. It's as easy as placing a call and putting a story out there. You don't need to have a personal relationship with a reporter or some kind of insider knowledge of the media to be a source. Especially if you are dealing with tabloid rags.

 

5 minutes ago, gundysgirl said:

 But if Jason has something to say he gets someone else to do it for him, keeping his hands mostly clean. 

Or he makes it appear someone else is doing the talking. Jason himself may well be the source for the negative stories published about Bethenny. He just has to insist on anonymity.

1 hour ago, film noire said:

I may have missed posts, but the core criticism I've read others post (and posted myself) has been of Frankel publicly trashing her daughter's father versus Hoppy not publicly trashing his daughter's mother ("sources" versus "your own mouth" = very different impact, imo).

I don't think it makes any difference if you do your own talking the way Bethenny does or if you have someone else speak for you (or pretend to) as it appears Jason does. If you are responsible for spreading hateful stories about the other party that's on YOU, however you go about doing it. 

Jason doesn't get some kind of pass just because he goes about trashing Bethenny in a chicken shit fashion!

[gundysgirl]

18 minutes ago, Celia Rubenstein said:

I don't think it makes any difference if you do your own talking the way Bethenny does or if you have someone else speak for you (or pretend to) as it appears Jason does. If you are responsible for spreading hateful stories about the other party that's on YOU, however you go about doing it. 

Jason doesn't get some kind of pass just because he goes about trashing Bethenny in a chicken shit fashion!

I would agree. What difference does it make? Either way you are making sure that ugly crap about your ex gets spread around. I much prefer the open and honest approach. 

6 minutes ago, zoeysmom said:

It may be as simple as Jason abiding by the Court's order not to discuss the divorce. 

Could be. Or he could just be trying to look like he is above it all. 

Either way, how is it different for Carole to talk about how Bethenny feels about things that are going on vs. Jason having "anonymous" sources talk to the media about how he is feeling? Either way you are getting it out there. 

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[QuinnM]

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Could be. Or he could just be trying to look like he is above it all. 

Either way, how is it different for Carole to talk about how Bethenny feels about things that are going on vs. Jason having "anonymous" sources talk to the media about how he is feeling? Either way you are getting it out there. 

Well maybe it’s a men are good, women are bad kind of thing.  I don’t see the difference either.

In fun news, WWD has an article on Bethenny’s launch.  She has added to the Insta stories with view of the line.   Tags and branding look great.  But that’s what I expect from her.  The line is different from what you see on the rack right now.  The fit models were all shapes and sizes.  And since I’ve watched a lot of Project Runway I’m pretty much an expert so I can say it’s a good collection.  There is a nice cohesiveness in the collection.  Good mix and match.  The firm she is partnering with seems well known to the rag trade.  It’s not for everyone’s taste but I do think there is a market for it.

[film noire]

22 minutes ago, zoeysmom said:

 Jason has really eschewed any interviews or made any public formal statements oral or in writing.  

And that created an easier situation for Bryn down the road,  imo -- completely different reality reading/seeing your mother savage one half of your DNA, versus "Sources say X".  

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[QuinnM]

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And that created an easier situation for Bryn down the road,  imo -- completely different reality reading/seeing your mother savage one half of your DNA, versus "Sources say X".  

I thought Jason’s sources say about Bethenny just wanting Brynn for marketing was a pretty savage thing to put out there.

[Celia Rubenstein]

5 minutes ago, film noire said:

And that created an easier situation for Bryn down the road,  imo -- completely different reality reading/seeing your mother savage one half of your DNA, versus "Sources say X".  

I am far more concerned with the damaging things Bryn may be hearing on a day-to-day basis than with anything that has appeared in print or been said on the show. 

Jason has demonstrated a complete lack of control and I fear that what he may saying to or in front of his daughter is far worse than anything Bryn might read one day.

[film noire]

4 hours ago, QuinnM said:

Back before the gag order there were a lot of negative Bethenny items with the tag.  Things like she moved out when he was at work and took all the pots/pans/silverware and just left him with plastic forks and paper plates.  

That was in court testimony:

"The clothes were gone, the favorite stuffed animals gone, the favorite dollhouse gone,' Clair said. He argued the change made Bryn upset. When her father went to cook her a meal to calm her nerves, he said the kitchen was almost empty."

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-2648789/Skinnygirl-star-Bethenny-Frankel-share-custody-daughter-estranged-husband-Jason-Hoppy-bitter-courtroom-battle.html

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 That she didn’t pay any attention to Bryn. 

Those sound like the accusations from neighbours who had written letters in support of Hoppy,  claiming Frankel was a bad mother (the letters, iirc, were supposed to be entered into the court trial and Frankel settled instead -  have to say, if you're going to weigh in like that as a neighbour, you better have the goods, and not just be playing Gladys Kravitz).

eta: His court documents also include accusations of Frankel being inattentive: "His court papers say that when Bethenny's team was watching her, Bryn locked herself in a bathroom on set. Firemen had to break down the door — Bryn wound up crying hysterically in a corner," the insider tells In Touch.

http://www.intouchweekly.com/posts/exclusive-jason-hoppy-s-shocking-new-claims-against-bethenny-frankel-revealed-in-court-documents-26532

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That Bryn was just a marketing tool for a book etc. 

I thought Jason’s sources say about Bethenny just wanting Brynn for marketing was a pretty savage thing to put out there.

That was Hoppy’s attorney. He said (openly, in court, not as a background source) that Frankel had covertly created the character in her children’s book to be like Bryn (plans for a Baby SkinnyGirl line?) and that Frankel had also arranged for Bryn to be photographed in her stroller, with a bottle of her Skinnygirl cocktail in the cup holder, turning her into an ad for SG. 

He also said (same Daily Mail link as above);

"Frankel used 'the child as a prop … in the pursuit of her own career and her own brand.' He said.. 'Ms. Frankel even arranged for the illustrator to come to her home to follow this child around so that every likeness and every sense of the child could be presented,' Clair said. 'And that’s not all: This children’s book has the Skinnygirl logo, Skinnygirl being the brand of Ms. Frankel, throughout its pages.'

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[QuinnM]

Meh, I’d have to care as much as you do to keep this up.  I don’t.  

 

In fun news.  I bet Sonja is having a stroke over the clothing launch that actually got launched.  And they are still filming so we should be able to see the stroke happen.  I can hardly wait for this season.

[film noire]

20 minutes ago, QuinnM said:

I’d have to care as much as you do 

Listen, at least we both agree Dennis Shields is not a rapist! That's some kind of middle ground! : )

20 minutes ago, QuinnM said:

I bet Sonja is having a stroke over the clothing launch that actually got launched.  

I think she's launching a line of plus-sized clothing called "Tipsy Tops" even as we speak.

Edited January 8, 2018 by film noire

[OnceSane]

Y'all are going in circles.  This isn't a debate competition, no one gets prizes, so state your opinion once and move on, please.

[RedheadZombie]

3 hours ago, WireWrap said:

90% of the "sources close to Hoppy" are culled from court paperwork, his lawyers comments in court or the lawyers general comments in the press, whereas most of the comments against Jason are directly from Bethenny (or Carole). Big difference IMO. Jason, himself, has yet to give his side of this or make any statement to any press/tabloid unlike Bethenny. Is it possible that someone that knows Jason has made passing comments to the press, sure, but most of his friends don't have an in with the tabloids/press so it is also possible that the reports of someone close to him are fake/made up. 

How did you derive this percentage, WW?  It seems like something that would be hard to know.

[WireWrap]

1 hour ago, RedheadZombie said:

How did you derive this percentage, WW?  It seems like something that would be hard to know.

Just a guess, as everything I/we have read from Hoppy team/unnamed source has come directly from court transcripts/his lawyer but I at least gave a 10% possibility that someone close to him made a statement that can't be traced back to court even though I have yet to read/see one. I guess I was trying to acknowledge that there is a possibility that someone close to him, other than his lawyer in court, said something to the press/tabloids unflattering about Bethenny.

[Jel]

6 hours ago, BBHN said:

In some cases, probably just Hoppy speaking through a friend/family member.

I picture Mother Hoppy on an old fashioned dial model. Avocado green.

[Celia Rubenstein]

I'm betting Jason got Mother Hoppy one of those Jitterbug phones with the giant buttons they make for oldsters. He needs her making calls to the tabloids from the road.  Much faster and less traceable that way.

[gundysgirl]

I have wondered if Jason has any contact with Bethenny's mother. Might be a crazy notion, but that bitch is always ready to talk. In the latest article I read she said she didn't know him, but that he seemed like a really nice guy. In the past she had interviewed that their marriage wouldn't last because he seemed like a really boring guy. I wouldn't put it past her to have reached out to him to bolster his position. Or him to have reached out to her.