Rob Has A Podcast: Survivor Edition

[peachmangosteen]

5 hours ago, Oholibamah said:

I think on some people it may be an affectation, but Michele from Kaoh Rong was accused of it constantly, and I think that's just the way she talks.

Yea, I just think that's how Michele talks. I definitely understand finding it annoying. I am annoyed by people's voices all the time! Like say, Ryan's from this season. I always feel bad when someone's voice alone just causes me to ignore everything they say because it's not like they can help how they talk. 

[Big Mother]

There's 'vocal fry' which is when your voice drops into raspiness at the end of the sentence and then there's 'uptalk' which is when you alway seem to be 'asking a question' while youre speaking. I think michele the winner of S33 had more uptalk than vocal fry,

[peachmangosteen]

On 11/8/2017 at 11:55 AM, Oholibamah said:

This video was sort of helpful: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=E_h_VC_NXek

I finally got around to watching that and I still don't get it lol.

[fishcakes]

41 minutes ago, peachmangosteen said:

I finally got around to watching that and I still don't get it lol.

I guess technically vocal fry is just sort of a deep raspiness, but I don't really notice it or find it annoying unless it's also nasal. The way Miley Cyrus talks is what I think of as vocal fry.

11 hours ago, Big Mother said:

I think michele the winner of S33 had more uptalk than vocal fry,

Even after people said Michelle had vocal fry, I couldn't hear it. She did uptalk a bit and had a Jersey accent, neither of which bothered me, but I guess it irritates some people. Maybe it's just on these boards, but "vocal fry" seems to have become a catch-all term to describe what the listener perceives as an unappealing voice. Personally, I find affected baby or overly sweet voices more annoying than affected raspy voices, but maybe that's because I've always had a naturally low-pitched voice that does seem a little more gravelly as I age and I sometimes (like if I have a cold or am especially tired) have to consciously smooth it out so I don't sound as if I'm about to invite people over for coffee and cigarettes.

Edited November 10, 2017 by fishcakes

[MissEwa]

11 hours ago, peachmangosteen said:

I finally got around to watching that and I still don't get it lol.

Me neither! Like I *kinda* got what the woman was doing at the end but a) it didn't sound annoying and b) it didn't sound at all like the earlier examples. Especially Johnny Depp who just seemed to be mumbling incoherently. 

I'm Australian though and I wonder if it's a thing that's more specific to Americans and thus I've always just thought of it as part of the accent? 

[peachmangosteen]

12 hours ago, MissEwa said:

Me neither! Like I *kinda* got what the woman was doing at the end but a) it didn't sound annoying and b) it didn't sound at all like the earlier examples. Especially Johnny Depp who just seemed to be mumbling incoherently. 

Right! Everyone in that video that was demonstrating it sounded completely different to me so I am very confused as to what 'vocal fry' actually is. From the way the woman was talking about it it sounded like it was when you make yourself talk deeper than you actually do, but the women they showed in the video weren't doing that (Depp kinda was though, I think) so I was very confused.

[Guest]

I wish I could find a video of Katie Stout, who won Ellen's Design Challenge S1, an HGTV reality show from several years ago.  She had it the worst I've ever heard.  It doesn't bother me much when it's mildish like the Kardashians and in that video posted above but her's was distracting. 

It's a lot like someone affecting that old Valley Girl speech pattern, moreso than a complete lowering of the voice. 

[Clare]

Miley Cyrus doesn't really have vocal fry, her voice has a natural deepness.  Vocal fry is more words breaking up in your throat sounding. Kourtney Kardashian is the worst of the Kardashians.  Men don't get called on it as often but they do it too.  Hugh Laurie when he does his American accent has terrible vocal fry.    

Cirie was on the Live KIA this week.  I love her so much.  I'm not sure she can ever win but I'm up for her playing whenever she wants.

[himela]

Regarding Rob: I like his podcasts, him not so much but I appreciate that he is smart and funny and I have laughed really hard with his mimics from time to time. Lately I have found myself being tired of his podcasts. Especially the know it all has become really tiring. I have never liked Stephen and I think Rob needs to consider finding a new partner. It seems like Stephen just does the know it all sounds only for the money and he doesn't seem to care about Survivor anymore. I listened to a podcast of the LFC for Big Brother - Taran, Melissa and Brent - and I realized what bothers me about Rob: he is always trying to be smart and funny and create a story rather than just talk about Survivor. He is trying to tell stories about his guests and he often goes off topic with stories that don't interest me. While the LFC were just talking like every day people, not trying to be funny or smart and it was way more interesting. I also like Jessica Lewis on why blank lost, she talks and acts like a normal person rather than trying to act all witty like Rob does. What do you think?

[Clare]

I like Rob a lot I just rarely agree on his opinion.  I hardly like any of the same characters that he likes.  I think his show has been struggling a bit because last season of BB was not great and this season of Survivor has been slow on the strategy to date.  

I do agree on Brent, Melissa, and Taren.  I love them.  They are not in the position that they have to book guests for the show or interview the contestants though.  They are very free to say pretty much whatever they want about anyone.  I gives them a much freer and open and honest conversation.  They are just talking to each other for the most part and it feels way more like the way I would talk about Survivor.  He's very lucky to have them.

I think as his show becomes bigger and he knows most of the Survivors are listening or at the very least anything he says will get back to them it forces him to be a little less free with his opinions.  I think that goes for most of the past players.  Except Tyson,  he doesn't give AF. LOL. 

[Guest]

I like Rob but rarely listen because his podcasts are just so dang long and he puts out soooo many of them.  It's overwhelming.  I'm a Survivor nerd but I don't even enjoy that level of Survivor immersion.  

[ProfCrash]

9 hours ago, Winston9-DT3 said:

I like Rob but rarely listen because his podcasts are just so dang long and he puts out soooo many of them.  It's overwhelming.  I'm a Survivor nerd but I don't even enjoy that level of Survivor immersion.  

I listen to the Know it Alls, the interview and the discussion with a past Survivor. I can listen at work so it is nice background noise for me. I tend to skip the 8,000 other podcasts he puts out.

[Hanahope]

On 11/13/2017 at 9:40 AM, ProfCrash said:

I listen to the Know it Alls, the interview and the discussion with a past Survivor. I can listen at work so it is nice background noise for me. I tend to skip the 8,000 other podcasts he puts out.

Same for me.  I also listen to Why X Lost, and usually about half of the Feedback show if any of the questions are good (I skip the tweets).  If I have time that week, I'll listen to the first half of the Wiggle Room, but I skip the Wandoff.  When I have time, I'll listen to some of his occasional extra ones, like the archytypes of Survivor players.  But I skip everything else. 

I've thought a few times that it would be interesting to listen to re-watch episode podcasts he did for Survivor going back to season 1, but I do not have that kind of time, and I'm not interested in paying for it.

I listen at work too, along with my many other news, political and TV show podcasts.  

[ProfCrash]

Todd Herzog was on Rob Has a Podcast this week. I am just listening in but it sounds like he has been getting help for his various addictions. Very cool and some good news.

[ProfCrash]

Rob Has a Podcast discussion with Bret deals with the Desi vs Chrissy comments from She Knows. It is pretty interesting.

[peachmangosteen]

What was said? I don't care enough to actually listen to a podcast, but I kinda wanna know lol.

[Guest]

2 hours ago, peachmangosteen said:

What was said? I don't care enough to actually listen to a podcast, but I kinda wanna know lol.

http://robhasawebsite.com/survivor-2017-season-35-episode-8-bret-labelle-feedback-podcast/

It starts around 10 minutes in but you could probably skip to 15.  In short, Bret and Rob don't see Chrissy as this evil misogynist puppetmaster and are shocked Desi said those things.  Rob brings up why didn't all this evil make the edit, if it exists.  He also brings up that it's a serious allegation.  Bret brings up that it's a game and you target your threats, of whatever gender.  Basically what defenders of Chrissy have said here.  

[LadyChatts]

Okay, Rob of all people should know how editing works on this show.  I have to say, sometimes the bias Rob and his podcasters have when it comes to contestants on these shows is a little much.  It's as though their opinion is the only that counts, everyone else is wrong.  Desi may have been more harsh, but didn't say anything that hasn't been said or alluded to about Chrissy yet.  

[ProfCrash]

Rob can be slow on the uptake, it took a while for him to figure out why people were upset during Shirin's original season. He didn't see the misogyny until the Will/Dan attack Shirin at tribal. Plenty of folks on his site were saying that there was a larger issue well before then based on Dan and Mike's behavior early in the season and Dan's continuing behavior.

Some of it is base don interpretation, a good number of folks here see Chrissy as a woman hating individual while a good number see it as strategic game play and that she is voting as part of a block. For the most part everyone who podcasts on RHAP have gone after Desi's comments to She Knows and how ugly they were. Josh Wiggler and David Bloomberg/Jessica Lewis spent time on it as well. Hey, I was alone in the office on Friday and there was no interview or other podcasts to listen to. I think they take the possibility seriously, which is why the various folks voted out have been asked about it but I think that they fall into the group that thinks there is nothing there. Bret knows Chrissy and seems to think it is a non-issue although he did say she is loud and not good at whispering or being subtle.

Back to editing, Dan and Mike were shown to be pretty poorly behaved, although Mike's shifted his behavior as the season went on and it looked like he was more a bull in the China shop then anti-women. Will was shown as quiet and irrelevant until that one tribal because he was quiet and irrelevant until that tribal. He was a goat. The editors have shown plenty of obnoxious behavior. see Russell, Brandon the bullies from last season, the cast of Gabon... I don't think the editors would be hiding talking heads where Chrissy discussed targeting women. They have not bent over backwards to make her look good in her edit.

(shrugs)

[himela]

55 minutes ago, ProfCrash said:

 I don't think the editors would be hiding talking heads where Chrissy discussed targeting women.

 

Unless she wins so they have to make her look better than she actually is. They don't want another winner hated that much after Mike and Michelle...

[ProfCrash]

I don't remember Mike being hated. I thought it was sort of the best of miserable choices at the end because the final three was pretty awful. That entire season was hated because it was an awful cast that treated folks with disrespect and went to some pretty low places. In the end I thought Mike just had an awful social game and that he was equally bad with men and women that season. He won the necessary immunity challenges to win the game and managed to make up with the tribe members who were in the minority and had the most influence on the final vote. He never should have been in that place but managed to submarine his own game with his poor social play.

I can't even remember who Michelle is so it is hard for me to say she was hated.

If the Producers wanted Chrissy to be seen in a positive light because she won, they would not be editing her the way that they are. She is not getting a positive edit. I think people are able to see that her game play is solid and her social game is awful. If she is going to lose, there is no reason to hide talking heads where she is talking about voting off strong women and how Lauren and Ashley are not strong women so she can keep them around. Or she could just be blunt and clear that Roarke ignored her for far too long and wanted to vote her out. Ali was not in her alliance and was a competitor to work with Ryan. Jessica was the brains behind Jessica and Cole and less likely to have an idol played on her since no one thought she was in trouble. And Desi was a challenge and social game threat and should be voted out before she could find crack in the alliance of 7 to exploit.

Easier to blame Chrissy then the other 6 people in that alliance and themselves for being on the wrong side of the alliance.

[Guest]

I don't know anyone who hates Mike or Michelle.  Michelle was just a head scratcher, as in we weren't really shown this great social game that made her win, though that is hard to show.  

I don't think Chrissy wins, either.  Too many people out there were rubbed wrong already, what are the odds she'll get a non-bitter jury?  

[ByaNose]

After, hearing Cole’s exit interview I have a different impression of him. He was very introspective and didn’t deny or have any revisionist history from what I could tell. He said, he would definitely play again and play much better. That’s usually the case for 2 or 3 timers. That said, out of the guys of his archetypes I’m not sure he would be the first called back to the beach. I guess he would be the Sierra of Game Changers. She made the jury twice and I think he could so the same, too. 

[LadyChatts]

24 minutes ago, ByaNose said:

After, hearing Cole’s exit interview I have a different impression of him. He was very introspective and didn’t deny or have any revisionist history from what I could tell. He said, he would definitely play again and play much better. That’s usually the case for 2 or 3 timers. That said, out of the guys of his archetypes I’m not sure he would be the first called back to the beach. I guess he would be the Sierra of Game Changers. She made the jury twice and I think he could so the same, too. 

I've seen Probst mention "second chances" a lot in his interviews this season, which makes me wonder if another one of those seasons are on the horizon.  He's mentioned Alan, Patrick, Jessica, and Ali as people he'd like to see play again, which makes me wonder if they will do a pre-jury season next time.  I can see them asking Cole back.  He's memorable, and definitely fits the redemption role that people like Sierra, Hali, and Wentworth got.  Whether he lives up to it or not is another story.

[ProfCrash]

Cole's interview was very good. I can understand Jeff's comments in his EW interview. It sure sounds like Cole is planning on returning some day. He clearly did not understand the importance of the social game and camp life. He sounds like he approached the game the way Ozzy did, fish, provide and win challenges. If he watched Survivor before he would know that approach never wins.

[Special K]

Also not sure about Mike being hated.  I mean, Dan Foley hated him if that's what you mean.  ;) 

Actually, he got in bad with his tribe when he made that blunder at the auction (I personally think everyone seriously overreacted to that), but as to the viewers, he was shown as such a scrappy underdog after that, that they may as well have had superhero music playing over his immunity challenge run.  I think the audience was rooting for him by the end.

I certainly was, but perhaps in a "the enemy of my enemy" way, Dan Foley being my sworn enemy. 

Edited November 28, 2017 by Special K

[ProfCrash]

Dan overplayed everything that season. Mike was a loud personality who overplayed at many parts of the game. He was with Dan when there were some disparaging remarks made about women and was part of the Sierra mess but he attempted to work with the minority alliance after the merge, well after he shot himself in the foot. Dan was a massive blowhard who turned on Mike and the rest of their alliance followed Dan's lead.

I think people dislike that season because there were some really assholes on it, the tribe divisions were stupid, and the level of bullying and harassment was at an all time high. I know it is one of my least favorite seasons, right down there with Gabon and Thailand.

[ProfCrash]

I love listening to his Podcast but I rarely agree with him. He seems to think that Mike can win and that Chrissy has no shot of winning. I have it the exact opposite. Stephen and Rob both think that Devon has a good shot at winning. They both think that Ben is going to win if he makes the final.

[KimberStormer]

As a general rule I agree more with Rob than with Stephen on their podcast.  I agree that this time it's fascinating how they have a completely different idea of how people are doing than we do here.  Stephen has a huge crush on Devon and has been talking him up as an amazing strategist the whole season long, and I think he's painted himself into a corner in a sense where he has to keep overestimating Devon's game.

They both, Rob especially maybe, always love the "characters", and I think that's where the Mike thing is coming from?  They just really want him to be a good character (he isn't) and so have decided that he'll win if he gets to the end on the personal charm they have imagined for him based on their preconceived notions of what makes a good Survivor character.  It's an interesting contrast between a sort of "natural" character in Lauren, who I don't think either Stephen or Rob were especially excited by in the beginning but came to love despite themselves, and a sort of phony character in Mike, who they wanted to be a great character from the get-go, and are sort of totally ignoring the Walking Disaster edit he's getting.

[Eolivet]

Interesting -- Rob's post-game podcast seems to think the twist didn't screw over Chrissy, but Devon. Rob and Josh Wigler seem to be pretty sure that Devon would've won in a Chrissy/Devon/Ryan final 3. They didn't seem to think Chrissy had a shot, which is interesting.

[LadyChatts]

Devon seemed very well liked.  I believe he had a decent shot of winning at the FTC, which makes the twist that much more painful.  It's like Cirie all over again-first getting screwed in Micronesia by them having a final 2 over a final 3, then idol gate last season.

I've seen Jeff say this new twist is a combo of people having to earn their way to the end and to eliminate goats being taken to the end.  Yet, the very twist goes against those two things.  If he really wants people to earn it, why not scrap the final challenge and have everyone go to fire?  It's basically screwing over someone guaranteed the final 3, someone who didn't earn it is getting a pass, and it isn't going to prevent goats from going to the end.  That's really what Ryan was, if Probst was listening to the jury firing squad.

Edited December 22, 2017 by LadyChatts

[diana]

I’m really enjoying Kellyn going over her game with Rob. I didn’t really have a big opinion of her on the show, but she’s pretty entertaining here and doesn’t take herself too seriously. 

[Whimsy]

Reminder, all RHAP discussion should go here, not in the episode threads. 

[Melina22]

I didn't realize there was a RHAP thread. I'm glad because I've listened to his podcasts faithfully for Survivor and BB since I discovered podcasts. To me it's all part of the experience, and really increases my enjoyment. I enjoy his humour and dedication. 

[himela]

39 minutes ago, Melina22 said:

I didn't realize there was a RHAP thread. I'm glad because I've listened to his podcasts faithfully for Survivor and BB since I discovered podcasts. To me it's all part of the experience, and really increases my enjoyment. I enjoy his humour and dedication. 

I can't listen to Rob's podcasts anymore. He always tries to get previous players of Survivor or BB in the podcasts (even ones nobody remembers or cares about) and they start talking about last seasons that I mostly remember nothing about while I'm waiting for them to talk about the latest episode of Survivor or BB. The inside jokes become too much. He has made Nick Iadanza do the same with Australian Survivor (bringing past seasons' players to the podcast) and the podcasts have become a reunion of old friends who by the way talk about the current episode of Survivor. I love LFC though (Taran, Brett, Melissa and my favorite one, Liana) and their podcasts are great.

[Melina22]

I listen to Taran, too. I miss the daily BB updates. 

Edited October 27, 2018 by Melina22

[ByaNose]

I listen to Natalie’s exit interview. In one word..........delusional. That all.

[phlebas]

On 10/27/2018 at 12:43 PM, himela said:

I can't listen to Rob's podcasts anymore. He always tries to get previous players of Survivor or BB in the podcasts (even ones nobody remembers or cares about) and they start talking about last seasons that I mostly remember nothing about while I'm waiting for them to talk about the latest episode of Survivor or BB. The inside jokes become too much. He has made Nick Iadanza do the same with Australian Survivor (bringing past seasons' players to the podcast) and the podcasts have become a reunion of old friends who by the way talk about the current episode of Survivor. I love LFC though (Taran, Brett, Melissa and my favorite one, Liana) and their podcasts are great.

I still listen, although I mostly just listen to the Know It Alls and the Wiggle Room.  

Rob (and a lot of the rest of the RHAP "staff") have a much different set of criteria than I do when they get excited about current players or upcoming guests.  For example, I didn't shed a tear when Natalie was voted out last week. And Rob was traumatized when neither T-Bird nor Shane Powers was picked to go on Second Chances, but I think he was the only one who cared.

And now he has Randy Effing Bailey back on this week -- there are few Survivors I want to hear from less.

Not that he cares about my opinion. And maybe I'm the one who's out of step with the rest of the fandom.

[ProfCrash]

I found many of his guests to be just ok. It was mainly background noise while I worked. I can listen to what he has on YouTube but not the ones just posted to his website. I rarely agree with him as to what constitutes a good move or an interesting character. I suspect that RHAP is interested in the show continuing so he gets excited by the big moves and characters because that seems to be what makes a lot of the viewing audience happy.

[phlebas]

I am all-in on the Wandoff though.  There are some talented listeners out there.

[Melina22]

Halfway through his podcast with Randy and I'm really enjoying it, perhaps because he's so unfiltered. I loathe interviews with celebrities, reality stars, politicians, whoever, when you can tell they're following a script, and being careful to always say the right thing. I love an honest interview, even if I totally disagree with what they say. 

I was interested in his comment that he was getting a "performance" vibe from Christian, because I was too. He's too smart to be that disingenuous.

Randy REALLY doesn't like Natalie! 

He thinks the edit implies the doctor goes to the end. 

Someone please remind me... who is T Bird? Katelyn from BB? (Sorry if I spelled that wrong. There are a million ways to spell Katelyn and I'm too lazy to look it up.) 

[ProfCrash]

T Bird played in the Africa season. She was on the jury. I have no idea why Rob C loves her so. I don't remember her being a great player.

[Lamb18]

22 minutes ago, Melina22 said:

I was interested in his comment that he was getting a "performance" vibe from Christian, because I was too. He's too smart to be that disingenuous.

I get that vibe, too.

I hadn't seen the Africa season at the time of the Second Chances vote. Now that I've watched it I wish she would have been voted for Second Chances. She wasn't an outstanding player but I really liked her personality.

[Melina22]

I'll have to google her. After so many seasons, half of the Survivors have been completely deleted from my memory banks. Entire seasons, even. 

[Kenzie]

4 hours ago, ProfCrash said:

I found many of his guests to be just ok. It was mainly background noise while I worked. I can listen to what he has on YouTube but not the ones just posted to his website. I rarely agree with him as to what constitutes a good move or an interesting character. I suspect that RHAP is interested in the show continuing so he gets excited by the big moves and characters because that seems to be what makes a lot of the viewing audience happy.

Thanks for letting me know these are on you tube. I gave up listening to the podcasts because it wouldn't let me change the volume or advance though all the opening chatter.

[ByaNose]

4 hours ago, phlebas said:

I am all-in on the Wandoff though.  There are some talented listeners out there.

I literally can't with the Wandoff. I'm a total hater. I always enjoy the recap on Monday with Rob & Josh but it's click when the Wandoff starts. I must not have that gene. Whatever that gene is. LOL!!!

[Melina22]

OK, so I googled T Bird. Looked at her picture, read a few notes. Still drawing a total blank. Never mind. 

While I was at it, I also googled "Wand-off" which also meant nothing to me, despite being a dedicated RHAP listener.  It reminds me of fan fiction... I can see why people might enjoy it, but it's just not for me. I feel like I'm already devoting ridiculous amounts of time and mental energy to a reality show and associated podcasts. I have to say no at some point, before I reach Rob C. levels of obsession. (And unlike for Rob C., this obsession is not making me any money.) 

[Clare]

Rob struggles to get guests because a lot of the former players don't actually watch the show or don't keep up in real time.    He often has the same people on because these are actual fans of the show.   I know who I like to listen to and who I don't. T-Bird is a pass, she a fan but she won't criticize anyone's game .  I love Randy Bailey, he's a big fan and really knowledgeable about the game,  I love that he cranky but he's very smart.  Know It All's is my favourite.  I can't with the Wiggle Room, I'm just not a fan of song parodies. 

[Melina22]

Randy cracked me up when he said he usually only remembers the first half of each episode because people annoy him and he starts drinking. It's hard to tell how literally to take him, but I love that he says exactly what he thinks. But you're right. He's very perceptive. I wish I could remember more about him on his season other than "cranky". 

I also always enjoy Know It Alls and their self-deprecating humour. 

Edited November 3, 2018 by Melina22

[Hanahope]

I'm a half and half listener as well.  Not a wand-off fan, so I just listen to the first 10-15 minutes of Wiggle room.  I'll listen to the interview/review if I remember the person.  If I have to look them up, I probably won't listen.  I also listen to the voted out interview, but not the history of survivor. And always listen to Know it alls.

I also like the Why was X voted out podcast with Jessica Lewis (who got rocked out of MvG) and David Bloomberg (who created a bunch of Survivor rules to win).