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S02.E09: Welcome to the Rebellion

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thuganomics85

thuganomics85

Welcome to the rebellion, Mon Mothma!

Say what you will about how it took longer than many probably would have liked for everyone to get on board, but massive credit to Mon for stepping up like she did.  Giving a speech to the Senate that she knew that Empire would not only hate, but would likely arrest her for?  Even dropping fucking Emperor Palpatine's name at the end?  Yeah, that takes guts.  Great show on her part.  And I still have to imagine Genevieve O'Reilly would have never predicted almost twenty years ago that she'd be able to revisit this character and it such great material for her.

Cassian helping her escape definitely benefited from the Imperial goons doing what they do best and being incompetent, but it was still a fun little caper.  Glad Eskrin came though after the whole "Oh, yeah, I'm a spy for Luthen by the way" reveal that understandably made Mon a little miffed.

Looks like no one is going to know what Cassian did and are going to make Mon's arrival to Yavin a big spectacle.  Instead, he comes back with a thankfully still alive Wilmon, so I guess most will believe that his trip to Ghorman was the only thing that happened.

Cassian wants to finally be done with things and run away with Bix to a far off planet (maybe in a galaxy far, far away?!)  But despite her feelings, Bix decides to choose the Rebellion over both of them, so she flees in the night and Cassian has no idea where she is.  Wonder if this is really it for her or if she comes back in some form 

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if not a reunion, I wonder if maybe the final episode will include her finding out about Cassian's sacrifice in Rogue One

,but if it is, great show from Adria Arjona.

K-2SO has awakened and is already rocking the Alan Tudyk voice!

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Ohiopirate02

Ohiopirate02

5 minutes ago, Msample said:

Was I the only one who through when Cassian was at the safe house and went back to the figure on the bed it was going to be Luthen and not Wilmon?

I also thought that at first. Cassian and Kleya were both saying a generic "he." It wasn't until the camera showed the wounded leg that I realized that was not Luthen.

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Sarah 103

Sarah 103

14 hours ago, Fool to cry said:

I thought it would be brutal if Bix died but her thinking she and Cassian would be together after they finally won?

I like to think she was lying because she knew it was the only way he would go on. If she said they were done and she didn't expect both of them to survive, it would absolutely destroy him. He would not have been of any use to anyone. He would have run away to find Bix. She needed to tell him a lie to allow him to go forward. 

 

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Shanna Marie

Shanna Marie

22 hours ago, Fool to cry said:

I thought it would be brutal if Bix died but her thinking she and Cassian would be together after they finally won?

I figured there was a breakup coming, since I don't think Cassian would have made the choices he did in Rogue One if he were in a relationship and had someone to go home to (plus, I got the vibe of at least a bit of attraction to Jyn, especially toward the end), but I was expecting it to be him breaking up with her for her own good, or something like that. I wasn't expecting her to dump him to force him to stay with the rebellion.

Melshi! I was disappointed that we didn't see his reunion with Cassian, since we'll be picking up a year later and that means it'll happen offscreen. I wonder if Cassian ever told him his real name during their escape.

I've seen the Rebels episode related to this, and I know Mon Mothma escaped, but I found myself holding my breath during the whole escape scene. For a moment, I thought that her kindness to her driver all along was going to pay off and he was going to end up helping her after hearing her speech, but Cassian didn't waste time. He definitely shoots first (I wonder who'd beat whom to the draw, Cassian or Han Solo?).

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Fool to cry

Fool to cry

1 hour ago, Jediknight said:

Give Genevieve O'Reilly the Golden Globe and Emmy, right freaking now!

She and the Andor writers have taken a secondary forgettable character from the movies, and turned her into a complete and total badass.

I always liked her before especially her famous line "Many Bothans died to bring us this information." The actress Caroline Blakiston(Aunt Agatha on Poldark which Kyle Stollar was on) She the serenity and look(it was her real haircut). What Gilroy and O'Reilly did was give her so many layers and depth beyond being this historical figure. 

It's amazing how even though I know both Cassian and Mon Mothma make it out because their escape from the Senate still was suspenseful to me.

I love Rebels but I don't mind if the Senate speech was different than the "Secret Cargo" episode. The gist is the same.

It would have been great to hear Jimmy Smits say "shit" in a Star Wars but Benjamin Bratt did a 

Bix is the opposite of the trope of the wife/girlfriend of the hero who wants him to quit his dangerous but important job and settle down to a quiet life.

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Shanna Marie

Shanna Marie

23 minutes ago, paigow said:

It took years, but she found a new stylist on Coruscant... maybe sub-level 5000

We saw last season that she dresses differently away from the shop when she's in spy mode -- that red jacket when she met with Vel -- so, as I just posted in another thread, I think she deliberately dresses the same way all the time in shop assistant mode so people are less likely to recognize her away from the shop when she changes her hair and clothes. If people saw her in a variety of outfits in her role as gallery assistant, they'd be more likely to recognize her away from work. With her hair down and in different clothes, she looks like an entirely different person.

When Luthen was trying to talk Cassian into staying with the rebellion, he said a lot of the same things as the Force healer about him collecting experiences, like he's building to a destiny. There have been theories that Luthen is an ex-Jedi who survived Order 66 -- is he seeing things about Cassian through the Force?

7 hours ago, Fool to cry said:

Bix is the opposite of the trope of the wife/girlfriend of the hero who wants him to quit his dangerous but important job and settle down to a quiet life.

The way they talked about Cassian in season one, you get the impression that one of the reasons they broke up initially (when they were younger -- she says something about Timm worrying that they were back together and he refers to her father catching him sneaking in) was that he had no direction or purpose. He didn't have a regular job, owed a lot of people money, just seemed to be drifting around. Then they got back together seriously once he joined the rebellion, so that may mean that he became a viable partner for her once he had a purpose and something like a job (presumably there's some kind of salary that allows them to live, or at least living expenses are covered). But then the purpose became so strong she had to let him go so he could fulfill it. She may also have known from experience and from knowing him that he wouldn't be able to make a quiet life work. He might fall back into his old ways and habits if he didn't have a purpose to drive him. This isn't a guy who'd be happy with a 9-to-5 job, punching a time clock. What would he even do? I guess he could work as a commercial or cargo pilot, but would that take some kind of licensing or credentials that would be hard to get, given his criminal record? He's a deserter, a fugitive wanted for murder, one of the ISB's most wanted, and a prison escapee, so a normal, quiet life would be a challenge, and given what Bix believes about him, that he has a purpose and destiny, the Force would be pushing him back to where he needs to be, which means no quiet life.

It's a sad irony if the thing about him that makes him appealing to her is the thing that means they can't be together.

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Raja

Raja

On 5/7/2025 at 12:20 AM, thuganomics85 said:

Cassian wants to finally be done with things and run away with Bix to a far off planet (maybe in a galaxy far, far away?!)  But despite her feelings, Bix decides to choose the Rebellion over both of them, so she flees in the night and Cassian has no idea where she is.  Wonder if this is really it for her or if she comes back in some form 

I had thought that Cassian being even harder than we have seen so far and becoming Luthen before falling in Rogue One would be his dealing with Bix. That Bix sent him off for the greater good should be her exit from the story

Spartan Girl

Spartan Girl

5 hours ago, dwmarch said:

Episode 7 gave me the impression that Bix is pregnant, so she might also be heading off to some quiet corner of the galaxy to have a baby without Cassian knowing about it since there's no way he'd keep going out on missions with a baby at home.

Ooh, if this theory turns out to be, I wonder if we’ll get a sort of epilogue scene at the end of the series with her and their child. In fact, I’d love to get a post Rogue One epilogue scene with whoever else survives.

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Shanna Marie

Shanna Marie

5 hours ago, dwmarch said:

Episode 7 gave me the impression that Bix is pregnant, so she might also be heading off to some quiet corner of the galaxy to have a baby without Cassian knowing about it since there's no way he'd keep going out on missions with a baby at home.

I really hope not, because that's getting into soap opera territory that this show is better than. Plus, Bix has every right to break up with Cassian to keep him from having the excuse of her to keep him out of the rebellion, but it would be wrong and unfair to keep from him the fact that he's got a kid. That's a case where he needs to have all the information and be allowed to make his own decisions, and the kid deserves to have a father in its life.

I do want some kind of epilogue/coda scene to show that someone knows what the Rogue One crew did and gives them some credit. We know there's a Rogue squadron, presumably retconned into being in honor of the Rogue One team, but maybe a small memorial service in conjunction with the medal ceremony would be nice. I'm afraid, though, that Cassian being erased from the story of Mon Mothma's escape doesn't bode well for him and the others being recognized.

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dwmarch

dwmarch

2 hours ago, Shanna Marie said:

I really hope not, because that's getting into soap opera territory that this show is better than.

I agree but I also had the thought that although this show is called Andor it isn't necessarily specific to just Cassian (as we saw with Maarva in season 1). So if we do have another Andor on the way, we could have a third season.

tennisgurl

tennisgurl

This was such an intense episode, even though I knew that Mon and Cassian would be fine I was still there for the tension of them escaping after making a direct enemy of the Emperor himself. Its one of the shows biggest strengths, we know where this story is going but I get so pulled into the story that I don't think about it much until it hits me. 

I'm sad to see Bix leaving Cassian, but I am really relieved that this means its likely she wont get killed off. It hurts to know that she and Cassian will never get their happy ending and that Cassian wont live to see the Empire fall.

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Shanna Marie

Shanna Marie

On 5/8/2025 at 6:46 PM, dwmarch said:

I agree but I also had the thought that although this show is called Andor it isn't necessarily specific to just Cassian (as we saw with Maarva in season 1). So if we do have another Andor on the way, we could have a third season.

They've said this is it. All the people involved have said they're moving on, so there won't be a season 3 even if there is a baby. Considering that we'd need to jump a number of years before the baby is up to doing anything worthy of having a show named after it, it would be an entirely different show. I guess they could go cyclical and grown-up baby Andor is the one who found the map to Luke before it got passed on to the guy who passed it on to Poe at the beginning of The Force Awakens, but do we really want a whole series about that?

12 hours ago, tennisgurl said:

I'm sad to see Bix leaving Cassian, but I am really relieved that this means its likely she wont get killed off. It hurts to know that she and Cassian will never get their happy ending and that Cassian wont live to see the Empire fall.

I'm conflicted because I'll admit I was a bit of a Cassian/Jyn shipper in Rogue One, and I liked the idea that these two damaged misfits found each other, but just a bit too late to actually have something together. It changes things to think that if they had survived, he wouldn't have stayed with Jyn but would have gone back to Bix. But I like Bix and I like their relationship. I'm not sure how successful it would be without a crisis, though, and I'm a little uncomfortable with the way both of them feel the need to take care of each other in ways that take agency away from each other. He was overprotective of her and trying to keep her out of danger when she wanted to be in the fight, and then she ditches him to force him to stay in the rebellion. Still, they may be the healthiest couple ever depicted in live-action Star Wars (not that there's much competition because Star Wars romance tends to be on the squicky side. Even Han and Leia was based heavily on negging, had some dubious consent at the beginning, and they ended up not lasting).

KimberStormer

KimberStormer

Well I'm glad you guys felt Mon Mothma is a badass etc.  I must admit I am still annoyed.  I am sick of Luthen being always right and I am sick of the leader of the Rebellion always being bossed around by someone else.  She has no agents of her own?  She had no plan?  It was just up to Bail Organa, Luthen, Cassian, her assistant guy to tell her what to do?  She couldn't even lead them out of the Senate building she's been working at, according to her speech, since she was a kid?  At the very least I hoped that she would get Cassian as her man and not Luthen's.  Somebody else even decides for her that she'll make a speech with Gold Squadron or whatever.  I do not at all like the idea that they are setting up very very clearly that she is nothing but a figurehead who does nothing.  I find it very annoying.

Since I was already annoyed, I am further annoyed by the K2SO stuff, seems like way too much time for nothing but fanservice.  Hey remember that droid you like?  Here's his laborious backstory which we already basically knew!  It reminds me of the worst part of Rogue One, the Darth Vader fanservice and very plodding "lead up to the exact minute before Episode III begins" after the actual movie is over, like to hold the viewer's hand say "get it? get it? look, here's that thing you like! look, see how it works??? get it????? get it??????????"  Yes, I got it.

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tkc

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It’s been such a great ride, a shame it has to end soon. Still, there’s so much to process! Even though we “know” where the story must land, there seems to have been a lot of narrative freedom exercised so far. I hope as the series draws to a close that we don’t fall into merely ticking off check boxes.

Side note: it’s funny how a random line can take you out of the show momentarily. For me tonight it was Bail’s “Next year, in Yavin...” a Seder moment!
 

 

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Sarah 103

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15 hours ago, KimberStormer said:

I do not at all like the idea that they are setting up very very clearly that she is nothing but a figurehead who does nothing.  I find it very annoying.

She very clearly has been providing financial support, which makes her more than a figurehead. 

My prediction is that she will do something amazing/have a crowning moment of awesome in the last three episodes. 

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Megras

Megras

15 hours ago, KimberStormer said:

I am sick of Luthen being always right and I am sick of the leader of the Rebellion always being bossed around by someone else.  She has no agents of her own?  She had no plan?  It was just up to Bail Organa, Luthen, Cassian, her assistant guy to tell her what to do?  She couldn't even lead them out of the Senate building she's been working at

 

I didn't take the same things away from this as you did. I felt that she was very much involved in the politicing and money sides of things and was the principle financier behind Luthen. This is, probably, the first time she has been in anything like the level of personal physical danger so she was following the lead of the person to get her out. She even changed directions and took Cassian in different way when things looked like they might get caught. It makes sense for the "bodyguard" to be in front when moving but that doesn't mean he was directing which way to go.

Also I think, at this point there isn't a single unified Rebellion as such just a lot of factions wanting similar but different things. I suspect that have a competent politician on Yavin will see her rise to becoming the leader we know from the films by keeping the disparate factions working together. But we will have to wait and see.

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Emily Thrace

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On 5/8/2025 at 9:48 AM, dwmarch said:

Episode 7 gave me the impression that Bix is pregnant, so she might also be heading off to some quiet corner of the galaxy to have a baby without Cassian knowing about it since there's no way he'd keep going out on missions with a baby at home.

Yeah I think that is probably part of why she left too. Her rebellion was mostly over anyway. She wouldn't want to go out and bomb buildings pregnant. She can still help as a mech but she can do that anywhere. She needed to got out and make a life for her and the kid whatever happens. I do hope we get an update on them next week.

Also was I the only one wondering where Perrin was? Unless I missed something it feels a little like Mon just forgot about him. I can understand Mon thinking he wouldn't come with her but it seemed odd not to warn him at least. I can't imagine even his high ranking friends would be able to keep him out of an interrogation room after what Mon said. In fact I could see them picking her husband up just to try and a reaction out of her. Even if he doesn't know anything.

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tv-talk

tv-talk

On 5/8/2025 at 10:54 AM, Raja said:

I had thought that Cassian being even harder than we have seen so far and becoming Luthen before falling in Rogue One would be his dealing with Bix. That Bix sent him off for the greater good should be her exit from the story

Yeah that would have been awesome if he had to kill her. Well not awesome per se, but what a storyline her drug use becoming a big danger to the Rebellion meaning he had to end her as Luthen has done to so many people unbeknownst to others. I suppose something could still happen with that given Luthen doesnt seem to want anyone just going on their merry way...

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tv-talk

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2 hours ago, Megras said:

I am sick of Luthen being always right and I am sick of the leader of the Rebellion always being bossed around by someone else.  She has no agents of her own?  She had no plan?  It was just up to Bail Organa, Luthen, Cassian, her assistant guy to tell her what to do?  She couldn't even lead them out of the Senate building she's been working at

That's why I'm not sure why so many comments refer to her as this ultimate badass etc, she almost feels more like a pawn than a bad ass. I mean she had no idea her closest aid was spying on her the whole time. That's not exactly bad ass. I feel like they have written this story as Luthen being virtually omnipotent to a degree that is almost too much. I did like when she said she was more scared of him than anything else, THAT is the figure he cuts and it's not a good one or at the least one with loose morals.  They've basically written Luthen like the flipside of Palpatine where even the very most important people like Mon are being orchestrated by him.

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tv-talk

tv-talk

For me personally, Mon represents the ideals of what the Rebellion is fighting for while being a contrast as to what it takes to get there. She was basically clueless and helpless in this episode as the ACTUAL rebellion happened around her. They make a point of her speeches being a big deal but then also how speeches are just talk to Cassian who is actually doing the dirty work. When Luthen was implying he'd kill the guy who wanted money, Mon's response was basically 'what are you saying?" to which he responded something to the effect 'arent you lucky you dont even know.' 

I think the writers are very clearly contrasting the ideals which Mon embodies vs the ugly realties that Cassian, Luthen, Saw, etc represent. As in the point of her character at this stage is almost a naiveite as to the real world. I suspect she will change tons now that she is IN the rebellion and those changes will be big part of the show as she hardens and starts making tough decisions of the sort Luthen et al have been all along. I dont know that they will get there but I would love to see her struggling over a decision that would mean innocents die but the rebellion is furthered, and then deciding to go ahead with it. That's where her character is headed based on how things end up and it would make for some great scenes. 

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dwmarch

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3 hours ago, Emily Thrace said:

Also was I the only one wondering where Perrin was? Unless I missed something it feels a little like Mon just forgot about him.

There may have been a hint when she briefly mentioned to Erskin that she was familiar with being betrayed. It is weird that she didn't even mention her family when she knew she had to go on the run.

 

1 hour ago, tv-talk said:

They make a point of her speeches being a big deal but then also how speeches are just talk to Cassian who is actually doing the dirty work.

Exactly. This isn't the part of the rebellion where we make an impassioned speech to our adversaries. This is the part of the rebellion where we smoke MFs like it ain't no thang.

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Fool to cry

Fool to cry

2 hours ago, tv-talk said:

They make a point of her speeches being a big deal but then also how speeches are just talk to Cassian who is actually doing the dirty work.

 

1 hour ago, dwmarch said:

Exactly. This isn't the part of the rebellion where we make an impassioned speech to our adversaries. This is the part of the rebellion where we smoke MFs like it ain't no thang.

Also Tony Gilroy probably didn't want to use the speech from Star Wars Rebels!

Luthen and Kleya both don't show understanding and compassion to either Mothma or any of the operatives working for them. Their attitude is always "suck it up" and "If you can't take the heat..." That works for a ruthless, clandestine spy network but that is not what is needed to lead the Rebellion in a war. They need someone to inspire them and has some semblance of compassion for the risk they're taking. 

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KimberStormer

KimberStormer

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4 hours ago, tv-talk said:

For me personally, Mon represents the ideals of what the Rebellion is fighting for while being a contrast as to what it takes to get there. 

I think the writers are very clearly contrasting the ideals which Mon embodies vs the ugly realties that Cassian, Luthen, Saw, etc represent. As in the point of her character at this stage is almost a naiveite as to the real world.

I mean yes this is exactly my problem with it.  She's been a part of this Rebellion for many years by now -- longer than Cassian and should be "welcoming" him -- and she's been a politician her whole life.  Why should she be naive?  I get the point of seeing her failing to convince everyone on the vote this season was to show how bad it's getting, how even the Ghorman guy was afraid to do it and gets arrested for no reason anyway, etc.  But she's got to have more tricks up her sleeve than "Bail will get me the floor somehow".  She's got to have more supporters, personally, than one guy on her staff who's actually Luthen's spy.  It's not that I don't want her to be horrified by violence directly in front of her (I think the fact that people think Dedra's reaction to experiencing violence was "out of character" or something to be very strange...violence is terrifying even if you're theoretically fine with dishing it out at a distance) or that I think she should be totally on top of everything the spy type guys are.  But I do expect her to not be a useless, agencyless figurehead.

I mean personally, as a pacifist, I don't like the casting of figures like Martin Luther King and Gandhi as naive idealists, it's a ridiculous cliche and these guys were deeply canny and experienced politicians.  But even if you insist on seeing them as dumdums because of their nonviolent principles, Mon Mothma was never shown that way.  I don't think George Washington, or Ho Chi Minh, to name two figures that probably influenced Lucas in creating her, would be depicted as puppets, even if they were depicted as idealists.

1 hour ago, Fool to cry said:

They need someone to inspire them and has some semblance of compassion for the risk they're taking. 

I do hope something like this happens.  I mean, seeing Cassian and Mon Mothma together made me very much want them to become besties -- to like each other better than they like Luthen, and decide to work together (a better way, IMO, to get Cassian back into the Rebellion than Bix leaving.)  But they insist instead on making Mon Mothma do nothing this season.  I was sold on watching this show because I heard Mon Mothma was a main character, and she was great in the first season, definitely helped by Luthen but making tough choices herself, including selling off her daughter for the cause.

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Shanna Marie

Shanna Marie

I think there are different kinds of badassery, and what Mon Mothma has been doing has been incredibly brave. She might not be blowing up Imperial bases and taking out Imperial operatives, but aside from her secretly funding the rebellion, she's been out and open with her anti-Imperial views under her real identity, on the record, and in public. She's been using her position to push back on Imperial overreach wherever she can. To some extent, she's the Cory Booker of the Galactic Senate. She doesn't have the votes to actually change things, but she's still speaking out, voting against things, and making a public record of what's going on so that the other senators can't claim they didn't know.

Where she's a bit naive and idealistic is that she seems to think she can actually change things within the system, that the other senators are actually decent beings, and once they have the facts and realize the truth, they'll vote with her and stand up against the Emperor. Since she's funding a rebellion, she has to know it'll take more than that, but she seems to see the actual armed uprising as a last gasp measure, and she's become increasingly aware that they're going to have to go there. Thus the final speech, in which she quits trying to be diplomatic and outright accuses the Emperor of lying before taking off to start a shadow rebel government.

Having the courage to stand up and publicly state her convictions in a totalitarian state isn't the same thing as seeing someone she's known for years shot in cold blood right in front of her. I don't think Cassian's "Welcome to the Rebellion" was so much about welcoming her to the rebel movement as it was about welcoming her to the phase he and the others have been working in, where it's open war instead of working the system.

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Fool to cry

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7 hours ago, KimberStormer said:

  I don't think George Washington, or Ho Chi Minh, to name two figures that probably influenced Lucas in creating her, would be depicted as puppets, even if they were depicted as idealists.

Washington was a soldier who became a politician later and Minh was not a member of the establishment. Let's be real Mon Mothma was created because their were so few female characters in Star Wars movies up to that point. She was also a calm matriarchal figure to contrast to the Emperor. There wasn't  a backstory until years later deleted scenes in the Revenge of the Sith when she is shown as a fellow senator of Padme and Bail Organa meeting with them about Palpatine's increasing authority. This made her a tricky character to write because elected officials secretly part of a rebellion is not something you can look to history to draw on. MLK and Gandhi despite their nonviolent methods were still considered troublemakers by the reactionaries in power and Mothma wouldn't have survived all these years in the Empire unless as she said in season 1 she was seen as just an "irritation". She was probably kept around to give the illusion of democracy but still considered not a real threat. I think the basis for Mothma going forward is a political leader with no military experience but having to make strategic decisions during a war like FDR or Lincoln.

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jah1986

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On 5/11/2025 at 1:51 AM, KimberStormer said:

Well I'm glad you guys felt Mon Mothma is a badass etc.  I must admit I am still annoyed.  I am sick of Luthen being always right and I am sick of the leader of the Rebellion always being bossed around by someone else.  She has no agents of her own?  She had no plan?  It was just up to Bail Organa, Luthen, Cassian, her assistant guy to tell her what to do?  She couldn't even lead them out of the Senate building she's been working at, according to her speech, since she was a kid?  At the very least I hoped that she would get Cassian as her man and not Luthen's.  Somebody else even decides for her that she'll make a speech with Gold Squadron or whatever.  I do not at all like the idea that they are setting up very very clearly that she is nothing but a figurehead who does nothing.  I find it very annoying.

 

This bothered me too. It took guts for her to give that speech. But I hate the thought that she's the leader of the rebellion because Luthen decided it. For once, I want someone to stand up to Luthen and be right.  I really wanted Mon Mothma to have a lot more agency in the rebellion.

I know Erskine was really working for Luthen, but I think he really did respect Mon, and I was relieved he got out of the Senate alive.

Benjamin Bratt acquitted himself well as Bail in this episode.

I don't think Cassian minds about getting recognition, that's not what it's about for him. The people that matter know what he did for the rebellion, Mon Mothma knows what he did for her.  He's in the wrong business if he needs to be recognized and praised by all for his work.

Only three episodes left...I'm going to miss this show.

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Raja

Raja

20 minutes ago, jah1986 said:

This bothered me too. It took guts for her to give that speech. But I hate the thought that she's the leader of the rebellion because Luthen decided it. For once, I want someone to stand up to Luthen and be right.  I really wanted Mon Mothma to have a lot more agency in the rebellion.

I know Erskine was really working for Luthen, but I think he really did respect Mon, and I was relieved he got out of the Senate alive

In a galaxy wide rebellion I really don't look at Luthen as "the guy" but one of many guys. He just happens to be linked to Andor and our story. Coming into the 250th anniversary of the American colonies fighting their king I see the link of the many different movements with a goal in common.

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Ohiopirate02

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12 minutes ago, Raja said:

In a galaxy wide rebellion I really don't look at Luthen as "the guy" but one of many guys. He just happens to be linked to Andor and our story. Coming into the 250th anniversary of the American colonies fighting their king I see the link of the many different movements with a goal in common.

Luthen is the Francis Walshingham of the Rebellion. He's the spymaster who's willing to employ whatever means necessary to promote his cause. Espionage is dirty work, and history is rarely kind to the spymaster. Luthen may appear to be more powerful than Mon or the Rebellion's version of William Cecil, but he really is not. There is a time for spies, and a time for generals, and then a time for politicians. Right now is the time for Luthen.

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KimberStormer

KimberStormer

3 hours ago, Shanna Marie said:

Having the courage to stand up and publicly state her convictions in a totalitarian state isn't the same thing as seeing someone she's known for years shot in cold blood right in front of her.

I know, I literally said that myself.  I agree it's extremely dangerous and courageous of her to speak out in such a public way!

I have no problem with her outward role so far in the Rebellion - secret fundraising, speaking out, trying to get votes and work within the system, etc.  I just have a problem with her inside role, within the Rebellion itself, where she's got no agency or power.  I told the story of how I mixed up Michael Collins and Michael Clayton and watched the former thinking it was by the Andor guy.  And it made sense because there were so many parallels -- Collins has a guy on the inside feeding him information like Lonni, etc.  But that movie shows how the struggle was not only the Irish against the British Empire, but between leaders of the Irish independence movement, for who would be in charge after the war.  Mon Mothma is sort of like the Eamon De Valera of that movie (I don't want to say the real one because I don't know the real history) who does things like go to America to appeal to Woodrow Wilson for help and says they need to not use brutal guerilla tactics but fight like a regular army (disastrously)...except unlike De Valera she's not manuevering to be in charge (as he ultimately was.)

To me the condescension of "welcome to the Rebellion" is like Luthen's "how nice for you" -- I'm not annoyed at Cassian but at the writers, why have they written her, at this late date, to be clueless and deserving of male condescension about the "real" Rebellion, etc?  It's annoying.

1 hour ago, jah1986 said:

Benjamin Bratt acquitted himself well as Bail in this episode.

He was great. If they were going to do fanservice though I wish they could have had them at least mention Leia.

Anyway I am just grumbling because I like the show so much in other aspects.  Here's hoping the last week lives up to my hopes!

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