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S04.E22: The Devil Went Down to Woodstone

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chitowngirl

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14 hours ago, kathyk2 said:

I don't understand why there has to be a cliff-hanger. We know the show is coming back CBS announced that it will be in the same time slot. The only thing I can guess is someone might leave Ghosts.

They could leave us on a cliffhanger again because it’s coming back next season and they can resolve things. It’s when there’s a cliffhanger and a series cancellation that is annoying.

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phalange

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I’m wondering if Patience will somehow end up being the solution to Jay’s whole Elias problem. If she could sense evil, maybe she can undo the contract or will end up discovering a loophole. She probably went back into the dirt to stew for awhile though, since her plot to ruin the book launch failed.

Aw, Pete and Alberta finally kissed and no one got face-palmed! 

Thor had me in stitches when he said Jay is “mostly Sonic at this point.” 

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Annber03

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That was a surprisingly low key ending for a dramatic buildup! Which has me thinking this is just the first part of whatever they've got planned for the first episode for season five, 'cause, yeah, Elias making that kind of threat and poor Jay being paranoid at every turn is ripe for story potential. 

I did love Pete being all, "What'd I miss?" when he came back to see Alberta, though XD. 

In less dramatic topics, yay, the book is out (seriously, merch peope, can that book PLEASE be an actual thing? 'Cause I would totally buy a copy :D). I loved Nigel and Jenkins being confused by the plot - feels like they were poking fun at Twilight a bit there XD. 

Also, since Patience was the one who sensed Elias' presence, even if she didn't know that's who she was sensing at first, does that mean she might actually wind up proving helpful to Sam, Jay, and the ghosts in terms of taking Elias down? Cause that'd be cool. 

As for Pete and Alberta, genuinely surprised they've decided to finally go there, but honestly, I've always been kinda interested to see what it would be like if they got together, so I am curious to see where they go with that. Maybe that'll start a chain reaction next season with the other ghost couples who've been broken up this season, too :p. 

Loved Nancy's awkward attempt to comfort Alberta, and Alberta's confession scene in front of all the basement ghosts. And Flower's reaction to the image of Isaac on that vampire book cover: "Isaac wishes!" XD. 

This season went by so fast! Looking foward to seeing what they'll do for season five. 

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Bastet

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1 hour ago, phalange said:

Aw, Pete and Alberta finally kissed

Ew.  I better hurry up and have more drinks in the next half hour in order to watch.

This US version's obsession with hooking the ghosts up with each other is utterly pathetic compared to the UK original.  It wouldn't be so bad if any of the pairings had chemistry, but only Hetty and Trevor did (and only as friends with benefits, not as a relationship).  I'm pretty disappointed with this season.

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PaulE

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I think and hope Patience will be involved somehow in vanquishing Elias--for once her piety would do some good.  I can't understand, though, why the other ghosts are so intimidated by her.  Yes, she can make walls bleed, but, as far as they're concerned, so what?  On the contrary, I'd expect they'd go out of their way to shock or annoy her just because of her insufferable, spoil-sport self-righteousness.  On the other hand, I feel a little sorry for her because no one likes her (though for understandable reasons).  If she can help take down Elias, maybe she'll grow a little closer to the others.  That would be nice to see.

Poor Bela is never able to avoid causing trouble, whether intentional or not.  It was nice to see many of the recurring ghosts present for the season finale, even if some barely had any lines.  

A different kind of cliff-hanger for this season finale: of course we all know Jay won't really go to hell; the suspense is in wondering how Elias will be thwarted.

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Skooma

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3 hours ago, Annber03 said:

That was a surprisingly low key ending for a dramatic buildup! Which has me thinking this is just the first part of whatever they've got planned for the first episode for season five, 'cause, yeah, Elias making that kind of threat and poor Jay being paranoid at every turn is ripe for story potential. 

Loved Nancy's awkward attempt to comfort Alberta ...

I hope they play out the threat from Elias for awhile in Season 5 because it sure beats the boring "couples" stuff we've had.  The original English version had none of this.  I hate "Ghosts" becoming a run of the mill, generic "everybody must couple up" show.  That isn't what this show should be about.  It's more unique and clever than that.

The Nancy thing seemed like a cool shout out to Sheldon on "The Big Bang" Theory."  If she still had a corporeal body she could have offered Alberta a warm beverage too.

1 hour ago, ItCouldBeWorse said:

I would suspect that saving Jay would result in her being sucked off.

I concur.  I just hope they make this storyline last more than one episode next fall.  It's new, unique and has some great comic possibilities and will give Jay's character more stuff to work with and this actor is so talented I'd like to see him get more airtime.

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Skooma

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7 minutes ago, BMGepinniw said:

Who was Bela talking to on the phone when she spilled the beans about the ruse regarding Patience?

Had to be her boyfriend the architect who was last said to be building good stuff in India.  He is the only one other than she and Jay that knows about Sam and the ghosts.  

Though I guess it could also be Kyle too though I hope not.  No more "couples" stuff please.  But they did mention she has an interest in Kyle now and showed him on the "previously on" intro.

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kathyk2

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3 minutes ago, Skooma said:

I hope they play out the threat from Elias for a few episodes because it sure beats the boring "couples" stuff we've had.  The original English version had none of this.  I hate "Ghosts" becoming a run of the mill, generic "everybody must couple up" show.  That isn't what this show should be about.  It's more unique and clever than that.

The Nancy thing seemed like a cool shout out to Sheldon on "The Big Bang" theory.  If she still had a corporeal body she could have offered Alberta a warm beverage too.

I concur.  I just hope they make this storyline last more than one episode next fall.  It's new, unique and has some great comic possibilities and will give Jay's character more stuff to work with and this actor is so talented I'd like to see him get more airtime.

I strongly disagree I hated this episode it was too dark and not funny at all. I've hated Elias since his first appearance and Patience is too one note to be funny. Jay wasn't acting like himself all episode.  My favorite episode of the season was the Work Retreat which was funny and heartwarming at the same time.

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Neptune

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In addition to Elias’s return, viewers also revisited Patience, who, despite her scary gift, seemed rather eager to help rid Woodstone of evil. Could that mean she’ll be an ally of Sam, Jay, and the rest of the estate’s non-demonic crew in Season 5? “We love Patience, and we love Mary’s portrayal of her, and it felt like a natural way to bring her back when we’re having the devil’s emissary come to Woodstone. Going forward, we have to figure that out,” Wiseman shares. “It does seem like she might be in a position to help out, but we’ll have to see.”

Who knows, perhaps “the others” she teased earlier in Season 4 might be able to help. While we never met “the others,” Port teases, “We want to meet them too. And I think that eventually we will, and they could play a role, in a helpful way, as could Patience, as we get into the early parts of Season 5.”

As for what else may lie ahead, Port adds, “We still have a death to learn about, and not just Sasappis’ (Román Zaragoza) death, but there are other characters as well…”
https://www.tvinsider.com/1191034/ghosts-finale-jay-elias-hell-alberta-pete-kiss-season-5/

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Skooma

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5 hours ago, kathyk2 said:

I strongly disagree I hated this episode it was too dark and not funny at all. I've hated Elias since his first appearance and Patience is too one note to be funny. Jay wasn't acting like himself all episode.  My favorite episode of the season was the Work Retreat which was funny and heartwarming at the same time.

To each their own.  I didn't see it dark at all and it was funny for me.  I loved this episode and I love that Elias is out to get Jay.  This should be a great story arc. 

Loved at the end Jay was scared of the toaster because you never know what Elias may be up to to reap Jay's soul as soon as possible.  It is gonna be fun times at Woodstone with Elias after Jay.

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shapeshifter

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5 hours ago, Neptune said:

https://variety.com/2025/tv/news/ghosts-season-4-finale-recap-whats-going-happen-jay-1236390461/

5 hours ago, Neptune said:

https://tvline.com/interviews/ghosts-recap-season-4-finale-episode-22-jay-cliffhanger-explained-1235443834/

🫣Are these spoilers for next season? 
Or…?
I try to avoid spoilers.
Although due to age and lack of sleep, I’d likely forget by next fall,
and these days spoilers are used by networks as teasers,
so I’m not sure why I’m asking.

Are there still a spoiler threads and/or spoiler policies here?

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Chit Chat

Chit Chat

8 hours ago, PaulE said:

I can't understand, though, why the other ghosts are so intimidated by her

Because she's really creepy!  Also, because they're really not sure how much power she wields!  She was able to pull Isaac through the wall, so that's enough to be afraid of!

It's sweet for Pete & Alberta I suppose, but I don't see any chemistry there.  I wish they'd quit having our core group of ghosts hooking up.  

Sam & Isaac's book must be pretty good to have warranted a big launch party.  Huzzah!  

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shapeshifter

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7 hours ago, kathyk2 said:

I strongly disagree I hated this episode it was too dark and not funny at all. I've hated Elias since his first appearance and Patience is too one note to be funny. Jay wasn't acting like himself all episode.  My favorite episode of the season was the Work Retreat which was funny and heartwarming at the same time.

I thought Patience was much less one-note in this episode, and was relieved by it. 
Elias, however, seems to represent some real life human demons, so I don't foresee personal growth for his character. 
I can appreciate using Elias to represent some powerful public figures, but it's being done at the expense of exploring his power dynamics with women. 
Oh well. If I were in the writers room today, I'd probably go with making Elias the embodiment of the Big Bad hovering in our zeitgeist too.

Just a guess: Patience sacrifices herself for Jay.
I forget. What was Elias' reward in exchange of a soul? And did it have to be a Woodstone soul, or is that just his personal preference/obsession?

 

37 minutes ago, Chit Chat said:

Sam & Isaac's book must be pretty good to have warranted a big launch party.  Huzzah!  

Heh. Based upon Rose's delivery of Sam's reading of excerpts of the book, I got the impression it is not "literature," but maybe a potential cash cow. 

Rose did a superbly subtle reaction of Sam's horror of the blood appearing on the walls. I loved that it conveyed different meanings for her horror to those who know of the ghosts' existence (including us, the TV audience) versus to the fictional audience of book reviewers.
It was great they way they organically worked in the earlier line from her promoter warning about not doing anything gimmicky.

So the only way to truly replicate the blood (if the book promoter and publisher demand it) would be if Patience does it as an offering of thanks to Sam or if they trick her into it. Seems like a fun bit for next season if they go there.

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shapeshifter

shapeshifter

9 hours ago, Bastet said:

This US version's obsession with hooking the ghosts up with each other is utterly pathetic compared to the UK original.  It wouldn't be so bad if any of the pairings had chemistry, but only Hetty and Trevor did (and only as friends with benefits, not as a relationship). 

I agree that the pairing up of ghosts has gotten too formulaic and schmoopy. Is this a demand by some network exec based upon faulty AI evaluations of social media? 
Hetty and Trevor was a great pairing because it does not follow the Cinderella story. 

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Orcinus orca

Orcinus orca

19 minutes ago, shapeshifter said:

I agree that the pairing up of ghosts has gotten too formulaic and schmoopy. Is this a demand by some network exec based upon faulty AI evaluations of social media? 

I agree that the seeming need for pairing ghosts up has been a boring and unnecessary theme this season.  Some of these people have been together for decades and suddenly now they need a romantic partner?  I feel like this all being dumbed down to attract the Hallmark Housefrau crowd.

And I definitely see no chemistry at all between Pete and Alberta.  The kiss was pretty lame.

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shura

shura

7 hours ago, Skooma said:

Had to be her boyfriend the architect who was last said to be building good stuff in India.  He is the only one other than she and Jay that knows about Sam and the ghosts.  

Though I guess it could also be Kyle too though I hope not.  No more "couples" stuff please.  But they did mention she has an interest in Kyle now and showed him on the "previously on" intro.

It was Kyle, she said his name during her phone conversation.  Buh-bye, Eric, hope youd don't really get hit by a bus!

10 hours ago, Chit Chat said:
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I’m wondering if Patience will somehow end up being the solution to Jay’s whole Elias problem. 

I'd bet money that it will play out like that.  It's a Good vs. Evil kind of thing, and Good almost always wins! 

Just for a frame of reference, the woman who accused a child of witchcraft for talking to her doll, at the time when such a charge meant death, is Good, right?

Say what you will about Elias, but the man works hard at delivering what he promised.  New York Magazine cover story? Kelly Clarkson Show?  That can't be easy, especially for a place that looks like a dilapidated barn in the middle of nowhere. 

I really don't understand the decision to leave the reastaurant looking like that.  No matter how phenomenal Jay's food is, why not maximize the appeal of the place?  He should have spent money on renovating the exterior.  I guess it was always going to look like a barn unless he completely rebuilt that roof, and yes, he might not have had the funds for that, but if you are spending money without maximizing your chances to be successful, then you may just be throwing this money away.  

1 hour ago, Chit Chat said:

Sam & Isaac's book must be pretty good to have warranted a big launch party.  Huzzah!

Yeah, I don't know what to think about the book.  It's a YA novel, those are usually not literary masterpieces (although I did like the 'no exsanguination without representation' line if that was a commentary on the idea of taxation).  The editor seems to think it will sell, but she also said that the attendees were going to be the New York literary elite, serious people who wouldn't appreciate spooky gimmicks, and yet they loved the blood on the walls, so shows what you know, Madam Editor.  

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joanne3482

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12 hours ago, Annber03 said:

In less dramatic topics, yay, the book is out (seriously, merch peope, can that book PLEASE be an actual thing? 'Cause I would totally buy a copy :D).

If NBC could do it with Leslie Knope's book from Parks & Recreation, I'm sure CBS could do it. :) 

I definitely agree, too much coupling up. 

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tennisgurl

tennisgurl

Oh no, Jay! And just after he saved the book launch! Elias trying to kill Jay to take his soul sounds like it would at least give Jay something more to do next season, its too bad its more of him having a rough time. At least he got to go to the zoo. 

I thought that was a fun finale, more low key than what I was expecting and I wish that it had been 45 minutes instead of the usual length, but we did wrap up a lot of plots from this season and set up the big plot going into the next one. I like that some of the minor ghosts showed up, especially Nigel and Jenkins reacting to being British werewolves, and Patience was used really well here. That unhinged dirt gremlin was actually correct, evil really was at the launch party! I would love it if she ended up saving Jay's soul and cast Elias back to hell permanently and got sucked off, finally getting to defeat something actually evil.

I knew that Bela would go for Kyle, she's just so messy, she cant stop causing problems. Don't talk about secrets while walking around a house that you know is filled with invisible people!

I still loved this season, but I am not here for the emphasis on ghost romance this season, I don't care about Pete and Alberta, I don't see any chemistry between them.

"We're ghosts, so maybe don't throw stones."

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iMonrey

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I didn't think the episode was very good, and the season overall has been rather lackluster with just a few exceptions. The writing needs to improve. And I agree all the coupling is a creative dead end. 

There are a few plot holes here. If Patience is a threat to ruin a social function, Sam can ask Thor to put her in the vault for the duration. This is exactly what she threatened to do to Elias in an earlier episode when he was threatening to make trouble. Now they seem to have conveniently forgotten about it.

Then there's the portrait of Elias. There's no way Jay wouldn't recognize him. It looks just like him, and Jay is aware of Elias's existence. Actually, I don't understand why Elias's portrait is still hanging in the main hall. You would think that Hetty would demand it be removed, and no doubt Sam would comply. It feels like the set decorator just has no idea who it's supposed to be but you'd think someone else would have pointed this out. Maybe it's supposed to be a reminder for us that he's still hanging around somewhere?

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Chit Chat

Chit Chat

2 hours ago, shura said:

Just for a frame of reference, the woman who accused a child of witchcraft for talking to her doll, at the time when such a charge meant death, is Good, right?

I see her as seriously misguided, but the higher power that she is trying to represent is good, so I think that good will prevail in one way or another!  

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proserpina65

proserpina65

I love that Jay just rolled with the blood and made out like it was a special effect just for the reading.

15 hours ago, Annber03 said:

I loved Nigel and Jenkins being confused by the plot - feels like they were poking fun at Twilight a bit there XD. 

"Are we the werewolves?" 😁

15 hours ago, Annber03 said:

And Flower's reaction to the image of Isaac on that vampire book cover: "Isaac wishes!"

It was very Fabio-like.

5 hours ago, Chit Chat said:

Because she's really creepy!  Also, because they're really not sure how much power she wields!  She was able to pull Isaac through the wall, so that's enough to be afraid of!

Exactly.  It's creepy as hell and I'd be frightened of her too.

4 hours ago, shapeshifter said:

Heh. Based upon Rose's delivery of Sam's reading of excerpts of the book, I got the impression it is not "literature," but maybe a potential cash cow. 

Well, it is a young adult vampire-based book, so maybe.

3 hours ago, shura said:

Just for a frame of reference, the woman who accused a child of witchcraft for talking to her doll, at the time when such a charge meant death, is Good, right?

😕  That does seem a bit screwy, doesn't it?

3 hours ago, shura said:

I really don't understand the decision to leave the reastaurant looking like that.  No matter how phenomenal Jay's food is, why not maximize the appeal of the place?  He should have spent money on renovating the exterior.  I guess it was always going to look like a barn unless he completely rebuilt that roof, and yes, he might not have had the funds for that, but if you are spending money without maximizing your chances to be successful, then you may just be throwing this money away.  

Idk, rustic works in a lot of places not that far from where I live.

1 hour ago, Chit Chat said:

I see her as seriously misguided, but the higher power that she is trying to represent is good, so I think that good will prevail in one way or another!  

I see her, and all Puritans actually, as more than just misguided.  They way they used religion to destroy others makes them pretty damned evil themselves.

 

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Chit Chat

Chit Chat

2 hours ago, proserpina65 said:

I see her, and all Puritans actually, as more than just misguided.

Sadly, for Patience, she's a product of her upbringing & environment.  I'm not making excuses for that particular group, but as for Patience, she probably knows nothing different.  I can cut her some slack for that.  

I was hoping when they brought her character on board that she would be on the show a little more.  I would've liked to have seen her interact with the other ghosts and possibly learned to like the modern world, at least a little bit!  Instead, she's a scared soul who is trapped by ages old thinking.  I'd like her to find peace and then get "sucked off."  

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Orbert

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17 hours ago, PaulE said:

It was nice to see many of the recurring ghosts present for the season finale, even if some barely had any lines. 

Crash was there!  And of course he didn't have any lines, but hey, he was there. 😀

I'd forgotten that this was the season finale, and was fully expecting Patience to somehow lead to them getting rid of Elias during this episode.  So of course it's a cliffhanger.  Bleah.

Waste of a good deviled egg there.  Shame.  Shame!  SHAME!!

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Driad

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I have some Puritan ancestry. We say that the Puritans came to America to have the freedom to persecute other people for their religion.

Some Puritans believed that it was a sin to have sex on Sundays, and that a baby was born on the same day of the week that it was conceived, so a baby born on a Sunday was a scandal. One minister (sorry, I don't remember his name) was particularly vehement about this and excoriated several couples in his congregation. Until the Sunday when his wife gave birth to twins.

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ams1001

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2 hours ago, Driad said:

I have some Puritan ancestry. We say that the Puritans came to America to have the freedom to persecute other people for their religion.

Some Puritans believed that it was a sin to have sex on Sundays, and that a baby was born on the same day of the week that it was conceived, so a baby born on a Sunday was a scandal. One minister (sorry, I don't remember his name) was particularly vehement about this and excoriated several couples in his congregation. Until the Sunday when his wife gave birth to twins.

I always roll my eyes when I see people talking about the Founders and religious freedom and then cite the Puritans. The Puritans came for their own religious freedom, not anyone else's, and they weren't the Founding Fathers.

Never heard about the Sunday baby thing, though. Oops. Wonder if the minister's theology changed at all after that...

('k, I had to google, of course it did):

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Some clergymen were under the conviction that lovemaking on the Sabbath, even between husband and wife, was the gravest of sins. And they also believed that they could determine when many of such misbehaviors occurred, for it was thought that a child was born on the same day of the week when it was conceived. So some clergymen were certain that a child born on Sunday was conceived on Sunday. The Reverence Israel Loring of Sudbury, Massachusetts, was especially well known for punishing couples whom he thought had made love on the Sabbath. He steadfastly refused to baptize children who were born on Sunday, convinced that they had been conceived on the Sabbath. His policy changed when his own wife gave birth to twins on the Sabbath.

 

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