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Cloud9Shopper

Cloud9Shopper

I just said on Reddit that this felt like a bad SVU ripoff. Like someone was watching the William Lewis arc with Olivia and thought they could do a better job but obviously didn’t. I kept thinking Benson would cross networks and the country out of nowhere and get involved in this case. 🤣 And they even tried to repeat the episode where Maddie stabs Doug and ends up killing him by having Maddie attempt the same this time around. Get some new ideas.

I’m glad we’re returning to over the top emergencies next week and am looking forward to Bobby’s evangelist fraud mother. I love him and Athena together so I can overlook their constant “why didn’t you tell me?” talks. 

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Crashcourse

Crashcourse

So, Maddie miraculously survives getting her throat slashed. 🙄 I hope this is the last time we have to see a "Maddie's in danger" episode.  Assuming she recovers, she needs to be a stay-at-home mom for a while.  I feel sorry for Chimney and I'm sure he'd feel relieved if she did. 

I also felt sorry for that poor girl who was kidnapped again.  She'll be traumatized and will need therapy for a long time.

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agathapenny

agathapenny

2 hours ago, Cloud9Shopper said:

I just said on Reddit that this felt like a bad SVU ripoff.

Yes. And I hate SVU.

2 hours ago, Crashcourse said:

I also felt sorry for that poor girl who was kidnapped again.  She'll be traumatized and will need therapy for a long time.

No kidding. And it was treated kind of perfunctorily. But then, the current writers don't seem to know how to make any of the moments land, let alone for an extra. Where the hell was Buck's reunion with Maddie? I guess I should be thankful that they remembered Hen and Chim are friends.

27 minutes ago, buttersister said:

Bobby’s mom is a grifter? The same mom married to Bobby’s alcoholic firefighter daddy?  

This is definitely something of a rewrite, though I guess they never did specify anything previously about Bobby's mom. And in other news, in true Hollywood fashion, Bobby and his mother look the same age.

25 minutes ago, dancingdreamer said:

 I nearly  took this off my pvr, it has one more chance. 

I don't have a PVR, but I seriously considered not watching this episode, and don't know how much longer I'm going to stick around. 

They spent way too much time with Maddie and the killer (who was not very interesting) in the basement, and not enough time with the regular crew. I would definitely have liked it more if they could have taken some of that time in the basement and instead had Maddie and Buck reunite after she was saved.

I appreciated the Buck/Eddie stuff. But I still just find this whole season, and last, so off in general. The character interactions are just so poorly written compared to what they used to be. It's like the writers and director aren't even sure what they're trying to convey a lot of the time. 

When Maddie was kidnapped by her abusive ex it was completely organic and made sense. The show was building to it from the moment Maddie joined the cast. What sense did this plot make? What's going to come of it? This show is just so aimless now.

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Cloud9Shopper

Cloud9Shopper

7 hours ago, agathapenny said:

Yes. And I hate SVU.

No kidding. And it was treated kind of perfunctorily. But then, the current writers don't seem to know how to make any of the moments land, let alone for an extra. Where the hell was Buck's reunion with Maddie? I guess I should be thankful that they remembered Hen and Chim are friends.

This is definitely something of a rewrite, though I guess they never did specify anything previously about Bobby's mom. And in other news, in true Hollywood fashion, Bobby and his mother look the same age.

I don't have a PVR, but I seriously considered not watching this episode, and don't know how much longer I'm going to stick around. 

They spent way too much time with Maddie and the killer (who was not very interesting) in the basement, and not enough time with the regular crew. I would definitely have liked it more if they could have taken some of that time in the basement and instead had Maddie and Buck reunite after she was saved.

I appreciated the Buck/Eddie stuff. But I still just find this whole season, and last, so off in general. The character interactions are just so poorly written compared to what they used to be. It's like the writers and director aren't even sure what they're trying to convey a lot of the time. 

When Maddie was kidnapped by her abusive ex it was completely organic and made sense. The show was building to it from the moment Maddie joined the cast. What sense did this plot make? What's going to come of it? This show is just so aimless now.

When I watch SVU in syndication I don’t put on anything beyond Season 20. It should have ended a longggg time ago.

I imagine by next episode, when there’s supposed to be a time jump, Maddie will be back at work and over everything that happened to her this episode and it will be never mentioned again. Or maybe just once as a blink and you’ll miss it line. 

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iMonrey

iMonrey

Let there be a moratorium on Maddie In Peril storylines. Good grief, at this point I half expect someone to tie her to some railroad tracks.

I was actually shocked for a minute there when Amber slashed her throat. It was surprisingly graphic and people don't typically survive that when it happens in the movies. That's usually a dependable kill shot. I know it wouldn't turn out that way because, well, it's this show. But I can't help think how much more impressive it would have been to actually kill Maddie off that way. Nobody would have expected it.

And yeah - to add insult to injury, literally - she probably won't even have a visible scar after this.

11 hours ago, agathapenny said:

I appreciated the Buck/Eddie stuff. But I still just find this whole season, and last, so off in general. The character interactions are just so poorly written compared to what they used to be. It's like the writers and director aren't even sure what they're trying to convey a lot of the time. 

It's kind of weird how this played out. Eddie just seemed so cold towards Buck. There has been speculation (and granted, this is just speculation) that Ryan Guzman never liked the Eddie and Buck shipping, and after they actually went there with Buck and Tommy he was afraid they might move forward with Eddie and Buck which is why he decided to leave the show.

At any rate, these scenes sure played like Eddie couldn't wait to get the hell away from him.

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gonzosgirrl

gonzosgirrl

I watched it on PVR and ff'd through the time from Chim telling Bobby and Athena that Maddy is pregnant, to crazy lady slashing Maddie's throat. I was 100% sure that was going to be a dream/fantasy sequence, because seriously?

The only part of any of that nonsense that touched me was Chimney's fear/guilt/heartbreak when he realized she was gone, and Jee had been left alone. How could he not have PTSD from all that? I liked Hen's support and telling him she was with family (at the hospital).

Farewell Eddie, I will not miss you. Christopher though... :( 

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michelec

michelec

13 hours ago, agathapenny said:

I appreciated the Buck/Eddie stuff. But I still just find this whole season, and last, so off in general. The character interactions are just so poorly written compared to what they used to be. It's like the writers and director aren't even sure what they're trying to convey a lot of the time. 

Thanks for articulating what I couldn't. This season has been so flat. I could somewhat wave away the lack of rescues if there were some solid storylines of the 118 members outside the station. Perfect example, how's the construction of Bobby and Athena's new home coming along and all the headaches with that (though it seems like it might be touched upon based on next week's previews). It seemed like Eddie's storyline swallowed up everyone else's.

Also, even when storylines got heavy, there was always a scene or two (again, usually the rescues) that provided some levity. That seems to be gone too.

Watching has become a chore.

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andromeda331

andromeda331

4 hours ago, Calvada said:

Hey Chim, when you're on the phone with Athena and she's telling you the person you are with is possibly a serial killer, maybe don't turn your back on her.  

Yeah, that was really, really dumb. 

I felt bad when they thought Maddie left Jee again. I'm glad they realized that wasn't the case. 

Only on this show can your throat be slit and climb up the stairs do they live and their pregnancy is okay. No problems. They even find out it's a boy.

I have no idea why Amber was kidnapping girls. I feel really bad for the poor other victim. She survived one psych to get kidnapped by the person who rescued her. She's never going to trust anyone else again. 

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Irlandesa

Irlandesa

52 minutes ago, anna0852 said:

So Ryan Guzman has actually left the show?

No one has said much publicly.  I'll put what is known in spoilers just in case.

 

Spoiler

He's supposed to be in Episode 12 in TX. Other than that, the show runner is being coy and telling people they should be worried he has left.  That could a tease for engagement or a warning.  The actor has said he hasn't been called back and is wondering if he will be.  In recent pictures, he's had a beard which he wouldn't have as a firefighter.  I think we'll know more after Ep. 12. 

It's weird and the only thing people know is mostly tea leaves reading.

10 hours ago, iMonrey said:

And yeah - to add insult to injury, literally - she probably won't even have a visible scar after this.

I'd like to see her wear a scarf for the rest of the season.

10 hours ago, iMonrey said:

There has been speculation (and granted, this is just speculation) that Ryan Guzman never liked the Eddie and Buck shipping, and after they actually went there with Buck and Tommy he was afraid they might move forward with Eddie and Buck which is why he decided to leave the show.

I don't think he was worried they'd go there.  Based on things the cast have said, the show runner listens to the actors. Besides, I very much doubt ABC would approve it. 

On 3/13/2025 at 8:09 PM, Cloud9Shopper said:

I’m glad we’re returning to over the top emergencies next week and am looking forward to Bobby’s evangelist fraud mother. I love him and Athena together so I can overlook their constant “why didn’t you tell me?” talks.

So much love. So little communication.

 

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agathapenny

agathapenny

On 3/14/2025 at 8:50 AM, iMonrey said:

There has been speculation (and granted, this is just speculation) that Ryan Guzman never liked the Eddie and Buck shipping, and after they actually went there with Buck and Tommy he was afraid they might move forward with Eddie and Buck which is why he decided to leave the show.

@Irlandesa said: I don't think he was worried they'd go there.  Based on things the cast have said, the show runner listens to the actors. Besides, I very much doubt ABC would approve it.

I agree with Irlandesa. Anything I've seen suggesting that has been from people who already didn't like Ryan Guzman for some reason and seemed to be reaching for more reasons to dislike him. I think in interviews I've seen him say that Eddie is straight, and also tease the Buck/Eddie shippers — like most actors who know their character has a big shipper fanbase.

And the actors on the show have been candid about the show runner asking them about future storylines for their characters. Oliver Stark said as much about his bisexual storyline. Guzman said as much about the stupid doppelgänger Shannon storyline. I highly doubt Guzman would leave a successful show because he was worried the show runner was going to force him to play a bisexual character when there is no evidence (and in fact there is evidence to the contrary) that the show runner (for all the issues that I have with him and the direction of the show over the last couple of seasons) would ever do anything of the kind.

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Kel Varnsen

Kel Varnsen

It's too bad this whole storyline ended up just being a Maddie gets kidnapped thing. Because what they did last week with her going to a pretty dark place to try and save a victim was actually interesting. Her having to deal with the trauma of that could have been interesting too. 

Also once again in the 911 world we get one of my most hated tropes where of course Athena finds out who the villain is and is also the first one to get to her. To make matters worse she was at the 911 dispatch centre and could have easily done the "all units" thing so the nearest cop to the house could have gotten there.

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Andyourlittledog2

Andyourlittledog2

If I wanted to watch cheesy melodramatic Lifetime Movies I would. This show used to be about rescues and the team, with forays into the personal lives of each character on the side (except for the 'Begins' series).  Now week after week it is maybe one short rescue (or none at all) and some drama in the lives of one or more characters.  Improbable stories ad nauseam.

And they've turned Athena and Bobby into the Nick and Nora of the twenty-first century. Soon they'll find themselves with a little dog named Asta. Next two episodes are a two parter crossover with Doctor Odyssey. Since Odyssey is pretty much a fantasy cruise ship filled with even more improbable storylines that doesn't bode well. Of course it allows Athena and Bobby to sleuth away among the rich passengers so we're back to Nick and Nora territory once again.

I wish they'd send this director and writing room back to Lifetime where they belong. They are ruining what used to be a great show.

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Irlandesa

Irlandesa

9 hours ago, agathapenny said:

I agree with Irlandesa. Anything I've seen suggesting that has been from people who already didn't like Ryan Guzman for some reason and seemed to be reaching for more reasons to dislike him. I think in interviews I've seen him say that Eddie is straight, and also tease the Buck/Eddie shippers — like most actors who know their character has a big shipper fanbase.

Fair warning but this next stuff is getting into fandom crap.

I think the rumor could also be from shippers who are starting to realize their ship didn't happen and will never happen.  For the longest time, they assumed FOX was preventing the story from happening and Buck being bi meant ABC would greenlight everything.  They just assumed Ryan was lying when said he sees Eddie as straight and Eddie's relationship with Buck as only friends.

But now that it looks like Ryan might be leaving, they're reevaluating and in the blame game phase.

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marceline

marceline

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20 hours ago, Irlandesa said:

Fair warning but this next stuff is getting into fandom crap.

I think the rumor could also be from shippers who are starting to realize their ship didn't happen and will never happen.  For the longest time, they assumed FOX was preventing the story from happening and Buck being bi meant ABC would greenlight everything.  They just assumed Ryan was lying when said he sees Eddie as straight and Eddie's relationship with Buck as only friends.

But now that it looks like Ryan might be leaving, they're reevaluating and in the blame game phase.

Nailed it. A lot of folks are working their way through the stages of grief.

Frankly, I’m happy seeing Eddie go. Buck’s attachment to him has gotten creepy and I’m happy to have it removed from the canvas. I assume Buck - being the emotional vampire he is - will center himself in Maddy’s trauma.

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Whodunnit

Whodunnit

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On 3/14/2025 at 6:18 PM, andromeda331 said:

Only on this show can your throat be slit and climb up the stairs do they live and their pregnancy is okay. No problems. They even find out it's a boy.

Wanna know what I find funny? The same week this aired, another show had a coroner comment that it wasn't  like the murder victim who'd had his throat slit could just walk away.

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tennisgurl

tennisgurl

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I wonder if Jennifer was nostalgic filming this, yet again being menaced by a deranged serial killer trying to kill her with a sharp object. This felt like a script that was written in the late 90s/early 00s where every show seemed to have an episode where a main character was kidnapped by a murderous villain with multiple personalities, obviously Maddie will be fine, there really wasn't much in the way of tension. The only shock was Maddie getting her throat slit, and even then of course she's fine. This show started with Chim surviving a pole to the head, its impossible to kill these people. 

The best thing about the episode was the acting, which was good, but I am counting the days until the show can get back to some actual rescues. I am really not thrilled about this being another story that demonizing people with mental health issues, especially because we know nothing about her motives besides she was kidnapped when she was a teenager. 

The way Eddie leaving is playing out is so weird, especially having the whole goodbye between him and Buck coming right after Buck's sister was almost murdered. I'm sure that its not supposed to come off this way, but that last scene really made it look like Buck has romantic feelings for Eddie while Eddie is either unaware or is pretending like he doesn't notice. Its probably just Buck being his normal love starved self, but that's really how it comes off sometimes. 

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