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S04.E16: St. Hetty’s Day

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ams1001
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"...and I once watched a bear eat my corpse! The cubs were cute when they joined in, though."

mammaM
mammaM

Ooh, almost forgot, as always best line goes to Hetty. She never went on a real date because "I was part of a land deal because I was the only non-mustachioed sister" 😂😂😂😂😂

SoMuchTV
SoMuchTV

And… "...and I once watched a bear eat my corpse! The cubs were cute when they joined in, though."  

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chaifan

chaifan

OMG, for a quick second, I thought Hetty got sucked off!  Whew!  

What a cute episode.  I missed last week, so need to go back and watch it to see how the cute Aussie dino-stripper died.  OK, I get that he fell through the roof.  I just want to see the set up to that stunt.

A paragliding ghost.  Cool.  

I love Hetty's ghost power!  How weirdly specific.  I wonder if the writers had this planned from Day 1, or if they were just seeing how things fell out and this made sense at this point.

 

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phalange

phalange

Flower imitating the bear cubs gnawing on her corpse was hilarious. 

Hetty’s ghost power is awesome. Definitely a Tier 1 ghost power (because of course they rank their ghost powers!). Bonus points for the fact that Jay got to see and talk to her. And I love Jay being exasperated that yet another one of his family members dated a ghost. I’d say they should’ve just told his cousin that Sam sees ghosts, but he was a bit spooked, so maybe it’s better they didn’t. 

Chris had a pretty cool ghost power too, and I can’t blame him for not wanting to stay in one place when he could explore. It was sweet of Isaac to try to spare Nigel’s feelings. Lol at him deciding the Halloween seance will be his future self’s problem. 

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Annber03

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Oooooooooh, what an intriguing power for Hetty! And a rather bittersweet one as well - kind of like Stephanie, in that way, in that it's a "one day only" sort of thing. 

But I really like it. I wasn't expecting it to extend to where Jay could see her, too, but I LOVE that detail, and this is a great way to help him connect with Hetty and the ghosts more (and appropriate that it's Hetty he can see, too, since Hetty and Sam are related and all). 

Hetty's whole connection with Sunil was so cute and sweet. Right up until he found out she was a ghost, at least (also, great physical acting from the actor there, his scream when she walked through the wall was perfection). He was cute - the whole Arondekar clan is just full of good-looking people, apparently - so I totally get Hetty's interest in him. I'd be up for seeing him again when possible - once he comes to terms with the fact that he saw a ghost, he and Bela could compare notes and whatnot :p. 

And speaking of ghost powers, so Chris can fly :D? That's fantastic. I love how he's even so remarkably chill about being a ghost, man, the guy really does not let anything faze him. 

But oooooh, the awkwardness he created with Isaac. Man, Isaac's attempts to try and act cool and suave were even more ridiculous here than when he let his hair down and I loved it XD. He is such a massive dork, I swear to god... At least he had the self-awareness to realize how badly he bungled his attempt to flirt with him, so there's that. 

Everything with NIgel, though. When Isaac was talking to Chris at the end, for a moment I thought we'd learn that Nigel had made up the story about kissing Chris, but I am genuinely glad for him that he and Chris did get to have a chance to hang out and hit it off. Woulld've been nice to see a bit more of that. 

Still, I"m also not surprised that Chris wants to move on and explore, and Isaac protecting Nigel by claiming Chris had been sucked off, so as to spare him yet another rejection..my heart! Definltey looks like he and Nigel are both realizing a few things where the other is concerned, so...yeah. Suffice to say I'm excited to see where they go from here, 'cause that ending felt rather promising. Nigel isn't the only one feeling rather hopeful right now :D. 

"Why does every ghost want to date my family?" XD. And Flower's whole running thing about the bear eating her corpse. God. 

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PaulE

PaulE

Even though Chris is clearly not good boyfriend material if he couldn't remember the name of the ghost he just kissed, I was actually a bit glad for Nigel that they hit it off at least briefly--he needed a bit of a lift, as he admitted himself.  When he talked about how his hand didn't go through Chris's chest, I got the impression he must have tried that before with handsome livings he'd encountered in the mansion or on the grounds.  As I thought, he's not as prim and proper as he pretends.  No wonder he had a high body count when he was live.  I was surprised that he referred to Isaac as "Higgintoot"--I guess he's trying to put distance between them, but I'm wondering if it's a case of protesting too much.

I, too, thought, when Chris couldn't remember his name at first, that Nigel had made up the smooching story to make Isaac jealous.  And it was terribly sweet for Isaac to shield him by lying about what happened to Chris, especially because it left Nigel with the idea that Chris actually preferred him to Isaac when in fact Chris couldn't have cared less about either of them.  I agree that the old Isaac wouldn't have done that, and I was really touched.  He's truly trying to be a better person.  He knew Nigel would've become even more depressed if he'd learned the truth.

Loved Hetty's remark that coffee goes right through her (I can relate!), and Nigel's definition of hope: "a wonderful man falling to his death."  And I certainly loved Jay's being able to interact with Hetty for the day.  It's not enough to ruin the comic premise of not being able to see or hear the ghosts, but it allows him to be more involved with them and gives him a greater intimacy with them somehow. 

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incandescent

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I agree with Sasappis that his power should be tier one — he's the only one whose ability impacts a person's psyche instead of the corporeal world and he nearly got a woman to leave her fiancé after a single night! It takes Trevor (unquestionably a Tier 1 himself) an hour to send an email!

Alberta would also be bumped up if she hadn't nerfed herself by refusing to give Siri commands anymore.

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shapeshifter

shapeshifter

2 hours ago, phalange said:

Flower imitating the bear cubs gnawing on her corpse was hilarious. 

I LOLed the first time Flower did the cubs gnawing, but the second fell flat for me, making the first surprise rowr seem less special. 

 

1 hour ago, PaulE said:

Even though Chris is clearly not good boyfriend material if he couldn't remember the name of the ghost he just kissed, I was actually a bit glad for Nigel that they hit it off at least briefly--he needed a bit of a lift, as he admitted himself.

Yes. If the show lasts another 10 years (why not? it's the best show ever, right?) Chris can come back, having matured, and being ready to settle down — literally, heh. 

57 minutes ago, Snow Apple said:

I was wondering how Chris can just fly around all over the world and not vanish like Pete, but remembered Jessica the car ghost. And ghost ships.

And now I'm wondering if Pete had not stayed so long at the Woodstone, if he too could have traveled without disappearing. 
Hmmm...maybe for the series finale there will be an old photo of the vehicle in which Pete arrived at the Woodstone, and tracking it down sets him free to travel…

 

 

1 hour ago, PaulE said:

Loved Hetty's remark that coffee goes right through her

Yes. Great delivery of great line.

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Johannah

Johannah

I was expecting this conversation:

Isaac:  I hope you don't get sucked off

Stripper Ghost: Hey, that could be...

Trevor:  It's not what you think.

 

Intro to Ghost 101 was fun.

Flower seemed not so ditsy when they were trying to rein Isaac in.

All of a sudden because Hetty admits she's Irish, she can be seen?  She's just part Irish, right?  What else is she and what holidays are specific to that culture?  She should be seen on those days.  Fourth of July?

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Bastet

Bastet

As others have said, Flower's imitation of the cubs eating her corpse was a perfect bit of physical comedy. 

Isaac leaning into being "Ice" led to some funny moments.  "The Ice Man hears you" was fun, but the absolute best was Pete's disappointment at not coming up with "The Ice Man is melting down".

The discovery of Hetty's ghost power was the backbone of the episode, for what it gave everyone to do.  Jay asking why the ghosts always want to date his family.  Sam saying this is what she's been telling him about how hard it is to say no to a ghost when you can see and hear them.  The other ghosts reacting to the "it's happening" relationship developments.  Alberta saying you never talk about how long a lady has been dead.  So many good beats.  Sunil believing Hetty ate a lamb chop bone was astoundingly stupid, but I let it go upon the perfection of his reaction to Hetty turning out to be non-corporeal.  And to top it all off, we got Hetty assuring Sunil a wonderful man never goes out of style.  Great stuff.

I said last week I hoped Chris would be a ghost only occasionally seen, so I like what they did here shipping him off to fly at will.  His ghost orientation, with the question viewers always ask, was great, and his "It's all good, mate" attitude in the interim, were also successful comedic touches.  He's just out there doing multiple things in the afterlife as he did in life.  Isaac lying to Nigel about his disappearance was indeed a nice bit of character development.

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kathyk2

kathyk2

I loved this episode so much. Hetty was so sweet with Sunil. I don't understand why she can only use her power once a year while Pete and Sass can use their powers whenever they want. I loved everyone teasing Sass. Now he knows how it feels when he teases them. This was the first time I've liked Isaac in a long time. I liked how they handled Chris I'm sure he could have been a ghost if High Potential wasn't renewed.

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shapeshifter

shapeshifter

1 hour ago, Bastet said:

And to top it all off, we got Hetty assuring Sunil a wonderful man never goes out of style.  Great stuff.

Rebecca Wisocky’s line delivery and facial expressions were perfect — all while keeping that ramrod-straight posture.


 

1 hour ago, kathyk2 said:

I liked how they handled Chris I'm sure he could have been a ghost if High Potential wasn't renewed

And they left room to bring Chris back as actor Deniz Akdeniz‘s scheduling permits.

More than any physical relationship, I want to see Chris and Isaac bonding over dinosaurs.🦖 🦕

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possibilities

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I predict that when Chris comes back it leads to Nigel discovering that Isaac lied to him. Either, like me, he hates being lied to, or like everybody else, he's touched by it and it leads to some kind of reconciliation between him and Isaac.

But I prefer the idea of Chris and Isaac bonding over dinosaurs. Chris didn't come across very deep as a character, though. I think he would become boring pretty quickly as a partner, so that could also lead to Isaac losing romantic interest in him after a while, which would be interesting to me as well. 

Bela knows about the ghosts. So hiding it from Sunil was... I get why it worked for the plot, but ultimately it doesn't really make sense, especially after he found out on his own.

I loved Flower's bit about the bears eating her corpse. But I agree that it wasn't as good the second time. I get really tired of how her character has been reduced to her forgetfulness. I am also tired of the contant references to Sassapis being a virgin.

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Harvey

Harvey

I see some buildup for Tretty/H-money to be an endgame here.

The date with Sunil made Hetty fully realize what she wanted, cause it's the first time that she felt seen (when she was supposed to give Sunil a heartfelt speech but digressed to blabbing about her relationship with Trevor that it was a casual thing, more about physical as a rebound from a washing machine, then Alberta reminded her to get back on track.)

From this point, I suspect that if Trevor and Hetty are gonna reconnect, they will be more romantic. Also, Trevor doesn't know what's going on yet. He might be a bit jealous of her after learning that Sunil was hitting on Hetty, but he still acts cool and be happy for her. Plus, Trevor also really wants to have a meaningful romantic love which is kinda the same thing Hetty probably wants in her life too, cause she never got to choose love in her life time.

It really showed how there was a huge link missing in what we previously knew of Trevor & Hetty’s relationship. As I long suspected, Hetty was confused as to the nature of their relationship because Trevor kept using terms like “hooking up”, even when he broke up with her, he referred to their relationship as “whatever this is”. Hetty is only used to actual courting/dating when it comes to romance, so she thought he was only interested in that with her. It explains why she didn’t talk to him about the Thor thing and was so surprised when he reacted as he did — she truly thought Trevor was only interested in her for physical reasons! 

The fact that she had never felt “seen” said so much. It was a matter of miscommunication, as Trevor thought she didn’t care, and she thought he didn’t care. We now know that Hetty wants romance too, but is unaware that Trevor had wanted it/still wants it. Perhaps, like Sunil, this also helped teach Hetty not to “settle” and just go along with whatever she was presuming Trevor wanted.

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shura

shura

7 hours ago, Snow Apple said:

I was wondering how Chris can just fly around all over the world and not vanish like Pete, but remembered Jessica the car ghost. And ghost ships.

Jessica was attached to the car though, and the poltergeist baseball guy was attached to a living person.  Chris doesn’t seem to be attached to anything in the physical world.  That’s new.

I agree, Chris came off as a pretty shallow person.  I suppose the whole point of him, story-wise, was to bring about Isaac’s next bit of growth, but it kinda felt a little too brief and abrupt, given all the excitement and anticipation of what they would do with a fan favorite like him.  It was fun (and a little jarring) to hear Deniz Akdeniz’s Australian accent after a season of High Potential.

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shapeshifter

shapeshifter

2 hours ago, possibilities said:

I predict that when Chris comes back it leads to Nigel discovering that Isaac lied to him. Either, like me, he hates being lied to, or like everybody else, he's touched by it and it leads to some kind of reconciliation between him and Isaac.

A 3rd option: Nigel figures Isaac watched Chris get "sucked up" into the air and presumed he was "sucked off."

 

26 minutes ago, shura said:

Jessica was attached to the car though, and the poltergeist baseball guy was attached to a living person.  Chris doesn’t seem to be attached to anything in the physical world.  That’s new.

Chris is literally attached to his parachute/parasail. Works for me.

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Snow Apple

Snow Apple

I love how the other ghosts were so happy with Hetty being seen and getting a date. 

Hetty was gold in this episode. Telling Sunil he looked dapper, how a gentleman never goes out of style, her past relationship with the washing machine, eating the lamb chop bone (LOL), etc. Also how she feels like Samantha since she can tell Jay what the other ghosts are saying. And then later Sam getting confused and still telling Jay what Hetty said.

Looks like the writers are coming up with new ways for Jay to see the ghosts.

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Chit Chat

Chit Chat

11 hours ago, PaulE said:

And I certainly loved Jay's being able to interact with Hetty for the day.  It's not enough to ruin the comic premise of not being able to see or hear the ghosts, but it allows him to be more involved with them and gives him a greater intimacy with them somehow. 

Exactly!  My favorite moment was seeing Jay's face when he saw Hetty.  It was a look of surprise, but also one of seeing a long-time friend again.  He seemed truly happy to be able to communicate with her face-to-face!  

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bunnyface

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I had just taken a drink of water when Flower to to the colorful end of her story about the cubs.  Don't do that.  But I was ready by the 2nd telling, so it did fall flat in that way.  But I could breathe again by then, so there's that.

Like someone else said, I don't like that they've only reduced Flower to an airhead.  She was a law student at one time.  Surely some of that person is still in there and wasn't totally eaten up by the drugs and cult.  I'd like to see more of that person.

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BoffoDaWonderSheep

BoffoDaWonderSheep

12 hours ago, Annber03 said:

Hetty's whole connection with Sunil was so cute and sweet. Right up until he found out she was a ghost, at least (also, great physical acting from the actor there, his scream when she walked through the wall was perfection). He was cute - the whole Arondekar clan is just full of good-looking people, apparently - so I totally get Hetty's interest in him. I'd be up for seeing him again when possible - once he comes to terms with the fact that he saw a ghost, he and Bela could compare notes and whatnot :p. 

 

The actor, Asif Ali, is one of the leads in Hulu's new comedy "Deli Boys," which I found to be hilarious and highly recommend (warning - it's M rated for mature and has some gory violence).

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mammaM

mammaM

Give Rebecca an emmy!!!!!!!!!!!!! The woman is consistently brilliant! I loved this episode. 

Hefty embracing her "Irishness", and trying to get into Sam's pill drawer (we need to circle back on why Sam has a pill drawer😎)

Flower and the bear cubs

The new ghost can fly!

Isaac maturing a little bit

And to everyone annoyed that Sam and Jay didn't tell Sunil about "ghost stuff", my two cents is that they're so used to hiding it that its just become second nature. And there's your plotline if Sunil ever comes back, I can see him walking in saying "I just had a talk with Bella and you've got some 'splaining to do"😂😂😂😂

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chaifan

chaifan

4 hours ago, shura said:

 It was fun (and a little jarring) to hear Deniz Akdeniz’s Australian accent after a season of High Potential.

I almost completely forgot about his character on High Potential.  These two characters are so different, I forget they're the same actor.  That's a good thing.

1 hour ago, bunnyface said:

Like someone else said, I don't like that they've only reduced Flower to an airhead.  She was a law student at one time. 

She's not an airhead.  She's stoned.  Totally different things.  Really smart people can get stoned, and when they do, they can act pretty much like a really dumb stoned person.  

1 hour ago, BoffoDaWonderSheep said:

The actor, Asif Ali, is one of the leads in Hulu's new comedy "Deli Boys," which I found to be hilarious and highly recommend (warning - it's M rated for mature and has some gory violence).

I just started watching Deli Boys.  I'm really liking it.  

 

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iMonrey

iMonrey

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Hetty's counterpart in the UK series is "Fanny" or "Lady B" - a similar lady of the manor type from roughly the same era. Her power was that she could be photographed, and I always wondered whether it would turn out Hetty had the same power. Turns out no, but not entirely dissimilar in that she can be seen under the right circumstances. So that's kind of neat.

Sorry to break it to Pete, but I don't think his power is Tier 1. My own rankings would be dependent on how much a ghost could affect or interact with the living world, and while it's cool Pete can wander off property for limited amounts of time, he cannot interact with the living at all. Trevor, Sass, Thor, Alberta, and now Hetty all have the ability to interact with livings, and to me that makes their powers Tier 1. Isaac and Flower have more passive powers so I'd rank them at Tier 2. I think I'd rank Pete's power as a Tier 3.

I'm not sure I buy the "logic" of Hetty suddenly being visible to livings on St. Patrick's Day only because she has discovered/acknowledged that she's Irish, but it's a show about ghosts, so . . . 

Chris not being bound to Woodstone doesn't make much sense either, unless he died in the air before crashing into the roof. Which is more or less what they implied in his dialogue I guess? Still - being strapped to that parachute backpack for eternity would suck. Those things are HEAVY. 

7 hours ago, possibilities said:

I am also tired of the contant references to Sassapis being a virgin.

I think it's kind of funny they keep bringing it up because they've only just learned about it after knowing him for years. But hopefully it will lead to somewhere. Like maybe Jessica the car ghost will return for a brief hookup and Sass can lose his virginity.

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PaulE

PaulE

7 hours ago, possibilities said:

I predict that when Chris comes back it leads to Nigel discovering that Isaac lied to him. Either, like me, he hates being lied to, or like everybody else, he's touched by it and it leads to some kind of reconciliation between him and Isaac.

I suspect he'd react as he's always done: first he'll fly off the handle and then, after he's calmed down, he'll understand the lie for the kindness that it was meant to be.  After their earlier conversation, Isaac understood how much Nigel's been suffering and he wanted to alleviate his pain, especially since Isaac's the one who caused it.  And, in a way, Isaac is paying Nigel back for learning about dinosaurs for his sake.  I think Nigel will get that, and he doesn't seem to be one to bear a grudge for long (other than the whole revolution thing).

I did think it a bit unrealistic that Chris seemed to accept his death and new plane of existence so easily.  If that were me I think I'd at least be a bit stunned for awhile.  But, yeah, he's rather shallow and I couldn't see a relationship between him and Nigel--or Isaac, for that matter--lasting long or amounting to much.

2 hours ago, appositival said:

It bothered me when Sam and Jay pretended that they didn't know that Hetty was a ghost after Sunil found out. I don't see what they were trying to accomplish.

At first I thought that was strange, too.  I expected that he'd be brought into the loop like Bella, especially since he's also part of Jay's family.  But now I wonder if they felt that the fewer people who know the truth, the less likely it will leak and create all sorts of weird rumors that will eventually impact the place's reputation and maybe have an adverse affect on business--or maybe attract a bizarre clientele.

 

7 hours ago, Harvey said:

The fact that she had never felt “seen” said so much.

It sure did.  This is the first time someone's been interested in Hetty for herself, and as a ghost she'd probably given up hope that she'd ever experience that.  Both that and Nigel's description of what it felt like to touch Chris's chest made me think about how starved the ghosts must be for the kind of interactions and experiences they had or could have had when alive.  There's a lot of pathos in this show even though it's a comedy.

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ams1001

ams1001

I feel like Hetty's ghost power is less a power than just a previously-undiscovered aspect of her existence. She's the only one who can't choose when to use it. It just happens on the right day. ((Though some can have theirs triggered accidentally, since they require walking through a living, but some of them actively choose whether and when to employ them, like Trevor moving things or Sass entering dreams.)

11 hours ago, shapeshifter said:

I LOLed the first time Flower did the cubs gnawing, but the second fell flat for me, making the first surprise rowr seem less special. 

Agreed. I burst out laughing the first time; the second time was just another reminder that she has no short term memory.

11 hours ago, SoMuchTV said:

Okay, so Hetty is visible to everyone on St. Patrick’s day? And it just happened that only that one living was around her that whole day? (Other than Jay, of course.) i guess that’s something they’ll have to plan around in future years? 

They didn't have any other guests, apparently. The only other living around was Mark and he was in the restaurant and never came into the house.

 

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Chit Chat

Chit Chat

1 hour ago, iMonrey said:

I think it's kind of funny they keep bringing it up because they've only just learned about it after knowing him for years.

I'm tired of them making fun of him for it.  Once was enough.  

1 hour ago, chaifan said:

Really smart people can get stoned, and when they do, they can act pretty much like a really dumb stoned person.  

Which makes a person seem like an airhead, i.e. scatterbrained (one of the definitions for the word 'airhead.')  

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Snow Apple

Snow Apple

14 minutes ago, ams1001 said:

They didn't have any other guests, apparently. The only other living around was Mark and he was in the restaurant and never came into the house.

 

Now I'm wondering if this is a new power due to Hetty embracing her Irish roots or if there just wasn't anybody around on other St. Patrick's day? But Jay would have seen her the past few years, so never mind. 

I'm wondering how ghost powers work? It seems like some ghosts get their powers right away or very quickly and others take years/decades/centuries. The below are the ghost powers which can affect living people. Did I miss anyone?

Flower - stoned

Pete: travel

Thor: electricity

Trever: touch

Sass: influencing dreams

Hetty: limited visibility

Alberta: voice

Isaac: smell

Elias: er, let's say affection

Chris: flying (or is it because he's connected to the parachute and his power will be a separate thing?)

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ams1001

ams1001

2 minutes ago, Snow Apple said:

Chris: flying (or is it because he's connected to the parachute and his power will be a separate thing?)

I assume the parachute is necessary since he said the boundary doesn't seem to apply when he's in the air (which makes me wish they had shown him trying to walk across the property line...would he get turned back like the others?). He at least needs some way to fly over and the parachute is what lets him do that. Maybe it has something to do withe horizontal vs vertical plane they were theorizing about when trying to explain why they go through walls but not floors. Is there a minimum altitude he needs to get to? Could the others try finding a way to fly over? Trying to think of a vehicle they could ride on that would be able to take off from the yard...hot air balloon, maybe?

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