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S18.E17: A Match Made in Scandal

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Elizzikra

Elizzikra

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8 minutes ago, Crashcourse said:

I'm glad Allen let Madison and the "experts" know he doesn't need "closure" and he's moving on.  He really looks hot in that jacket.

I'm not sure what else would have constituted closure - I was a little surprised when Pastor Cal said that. like - what's left to be said.

I found Madison to be pretty unlikeable in her conversation with Allen. Sure, she apologized, as she should have. But beyond that... sheesh. She just came off as bitchy.

Also, David, Michelle doesn't believe you because you lie constantly. He always reverts to "you can believe me or not" but doesn't really take accountability for how his constant dishonesty causes her to not trust you.

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JayDub1987

JayDub1987

Just now, Elizzikra said:

I'm not sure what else would have constituted closure - I was a little surprised when Pastor Cal said that. like - what's left to be said.

I found Madison to be pretty unlikeable in her conversation with Allen. Sure, she apologized, as she should have. But beyond that... sheesh. She just came off as bitchy.

Quickly made herself the victim because Allen didn't tell her what she did was fine. Just like I knew she would. 

Manchild living with his parents acts like a child when confronted with his own behaviors. I am shocked. Shocked, I say! 

I do think Michelle is trying some revisionist history. Fortunately for her, she looks a little better since she's sitting beside a guy as unlikable as David. 

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Elizzikra

Elizzikra

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Manchild living with his parents acts like a child when confronted with his own behaviors. I am shocked. Shocked, I say! 

He is really immature. I am still a little bewildered by what Madison sees in him. She seems kind of bitchy but she is smart, accomplished and independent. He is... none of those things. And I honestly wonder, any time a couple cheat in order to get together - how do you ever get past such an inauspicious beginning. If someone has cheated with you, how do you know they won't do it to you? Both David and Madison seem like they like to party, which is fine but David in particular strikes me as a player. 

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JayDub1987

JayDub1987

2 minutes ago, Elizzikra said:

He is really immature. I am still a little bewildered by what Madison sees in him. She seems kind of bitchy but she is smart, accomplished and independent. He is... none of those things. And I honestly wonder, any time a couple cheat in order to get together - how do you ever get past such an inauspicious beginning. If someone has cheated with you, how do you know they won't do it to you? Both David and Madison seem like they like to party, which is fine but David in particular strikes me as a player. 

She's never really come out and said that she's ready to date him. She always gives it a "yea, eventually" or another vague statement. He's acting like they're a couple. He acts like a 13 year old who has his first girlfriend, which I mean...with how he carries himself, that's not all that shocking. 

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Elizzikra

Elizzikra

6 minutes ago, JayDub1987 said:

She's never really come out and said that she's ready to date him. She always gives it a "yea, eventually" or another vague statement. He's acting like they're a couple. He acts like a 13 year old who has his first girlfriend, which I mean...with how he carries himself, that's not all that shocking. 

Agreed. I think he is way more into her than she is to him.

OMG Camille. What do you want to hear? That Thomas has planned your entire life out and is just going to tell you what you're going to do? He said he wants to live with you and his home isn't big enough. That's just reality. I think she wants to have him say first that he wants to stay married and he's got it all figured out before she says what her decision is. I mean - c'mon Camille. Where do you think the two of you should live? When do you think the two of you will start having children? 

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JayDub1987

JayDub1987

David and Madison have the chemistry of toothpaste and cabbage. She's too old to giggle after every sentence. I'm not sure if she's nervous and it's a reaction or she's trying to act cute. 

I think they're just trying to generate some tension between Thomas and Camille for the show. I also don't buy the "cramped space" thing, but my wife and I lived in a 900 square foot studio apartment when we first got married.

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Bees52

Bees52

16 minutes ago, Elizzikra said:

 

OMG Camille. What do you want to hear? That Thomas has planned your entire life out and is just going to tell you what you're going to do? He said he wants to live with you and his home isn't big enough. That's just reality. I think she wants to have him say first that he wants to stay married and he's got it all figured out before she says what her decision is. I mean - c'mon Camille. Where do you think the two of you should live? When do you think the two of you will start having children? 

She probably does want him to have a life plan. However I don't believe she'd follow that plan as laid out, if he did. She just wants to know he has a long term goal. 

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Elizzikra

Elizzikra

19 minutes ago, Bees52 said:

She probably does want him to have a life plan. However I don't believe she'd follow that plan as laid out, if he did. She just wants to know he has a long term goal. 

I think he does, though. I just think he doesn't want to tell her what to do and as a woman (and a wife) I appreciate that. 

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JayDub1987

JayDub1987

Told my wife that I could absolutely see Juan and Karla hanging out. Wouldn't shock me if they were friends with benefits at some point. But that marriage was never going to work. Who the hell paired an entrepreneur who works so he doesn't have to take money out of his businesses with someone who says, "Money is energy"?

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Vanderboom

Vanderboom

1 hour ago, Elizzikra said:

Also, David, Michelle doesn't believe you because you lie constantly. He always reverts to "you can believe me or not"

That or, "I'mma be honest with you . . ."

56 minutes ago, Elizzikra said:

She seems kind of bitchy but she is smart, accomplished and independent. He is... none of those things.

*sarcastic gasp* You weren't blown away by the brilliant cover story about his cousin texting him a plate of food?

37 minutes ago, JayDub1987 said:

I think they're just trying to generate some tension between Thomas and Camille for the show.

I'm willing to donate to a fund that will pay Camille to never say the word "swag" again, but in general, I agree that production is trying to make this happen to increase suspense.

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JayDub1987

JayDub1987

1 minute ago, Vanderboom said:

I'm willing to donate to a fund that will pay Camille to never say the word "swag" again, but in general, I agree that production is trying to make this happen to increase suspense.

And now we have Dr. Pepper saying it. 

2 minutes ago, Vanderboom said:

That or, "I'mma be honest with you . . ."

I think you meant "I'mma be honest wichew." Gotta get alllll the made-up words in there. 

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JayDub1987

JayDub1987

Not sure if it's updated, but David's LinkedIn:

https://www.linkedin.com/in/david-trimble-45899657#:~:text=David Trimble - Owner - Family Bar | LinkedIn

So he's the owner of a bar. Clearly, the bar isn't so successful that he can move out and live on his own. I absolutely believe that the way a person speaks tells you a lot about them, so I can imagine just what type of bar owner he is. 

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Elizzikra

Elizzikra

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26 minutes ago, JayDub1987 said:

Not sure if it's updated, but David's LinkedIn:

https://www.linkedin.com/in/david-trimble-45899657#:~:text=David Trimble - Owner - Family Bar | LinkedIn

So he's the owner of a bar. Clearly, the bar isn't so successful that he can move out and live on his own. I absolutely believe that the way a person speaks tells you a lot about them, so I can imagine just what type of bar owner he is. 

I think he "owned" the bar before the show. It closed and that's (supposedly) when he moved back in with mom and dad.

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*sarcastic gasp* You weren't blown away by the brilliant cover story about his cousin texting him a plate of food?

I mean... I *almost* fell for it???

Why are Ikechi and Emem even at this "party?" Contractual obligation? Ikechi is a dick but Emem has said the same thing about a dozen times now. Why go back through it again?

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I think they're just trying to generate some tension between Thomas and Camille for the show.

I think the "experts" were just glad to finally be able to crack open a bottle of the bubbly. This whole episode made me want to drink.

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OK. Continuing last week's discussion about Karla flashing everyone, she's definitely having a wardrobe malfunction right now. 🤣

All she has to do is use the buttons the dress has provided...

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Ikechi might be an asshole but Emem didn't have to bring up all their shit at the gathering.  She is a bitch.  

I don't think she is a bitch. I think that Ikechi just treated her so badly that she really can't even be in the same room with him without being massively triggered.

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JayDub1987

JayDub1987

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1 minute ago, Elizzikra said:

I think he "owned" the bar before the show. It closed and that's (supposedly) when he moved back in with mom and dad.

That makes even more sense. There is no way that David had any idea how to successfully run a business. 

Did this moron just tell Allen that it was "initentional"? 🤣

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Elizzikra

Elizzikra

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What is Karla wearing at the group gathering??  Is it supposed to gap open like that?

I think that it was a shirt dress and she didn't button all the buttons. At one point they had to blur her nipple, so I definitely think it wasn't supposed to be open that far.

I think that Madison and David were absolutely tactless and abrasive at the party. Madison with her "honey" and "babe" - clearly spoiling for a fight. She has no business saying how Michelle felt. Bad enough they came in together all matchy/matchy but then they just really flaunted their relationship in front of the entire group (Juan asking David what he's been doing and he basically said "Madison."). Tacky, tacky, tacky. I never really liked David but I gave him sort of the benefit of the doubt. Madison was also not my favorite but I thought she had some good qualities. But they both just seem thoughtless, selfish and immature. They can have each other.

So I guess tonight's ham-handed product placement was Pepper naming the hotel that hosted Decision Day?

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Crashcourse

Crashcourse

6 minutes ago, Elizzikra said:

I don't think she is a bitch. I think that Ikechi just treated her so badly that she really can't even be in the same room with him without being massively triggered.

I don't think she's triggered.  I think she just wants everyone else to know how badly she was treated, but that wasn't the right time or place because people were just trying to be pleasant and relaxed, and she had to blow things up.  It was all about her and I would still call her a raging bitch.   She and Ikechi should be locked in a room together.

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Bees52

Bees52

I get that Michelle was wronged by David and Madison, but she never was going to say yes on Decision Day. All this exhibited anger isn't necessary. I like how Allen is handling the situation. He broke some stuff, destroyed all the wedding pictures, but is now just dealing with them existing. He's not trying to confront either of them anymore.

For now, who knows any of the couples will comport themselves at the reunion...

Oh wait, I'm sure there will be another yelling match between Emem and Ikechi. But as for the rest, I'm not sure.

 

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PupCal

PupCal

I cannot believe Michelle is still trying to play the victim in this. Girl, we all know you weren't gonna say yes. We've seen how you were treating David previously and you're real rich to talking about "disrespect".

Also, honestly, Emem, just leave whenever Ike comes in. Stop trying to verbally attack him; just ignore him.

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Jeanne222

Jeanne222

3 hours ago, Elizzikra said:

He is really immature. I am still a little bewildered by what Madison sees in him. She seems kind of bitchy but she is smart, accomplished and independent. He is... none of those things. And I honestly wonder, any time a couple cheat in order to get together - how do you ever get past such an inauspicious beginning. If someone has cheated with you, how do you know they won't do it to you? Both David and Madison seem like they like to party, which is fine but David in particular strikes me as a player. 

Their choices are probably the reason they aren't married and are on Married At First Sight!  They keep on rejecting winners and choosing losers.

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Jeanne222

Jeanne222

3 hours ago, JayDub1987 said:

Not sure if it's updated, but David's LinkedIn:

https://www.linkedin.com/in/david-trimble-45899657#:~:text=David Trimble - Owner - Family Bar | LinkedIn

So he's the owner of a bar. Clearly, the bar isn't so successful that he can move out and live on his own. I absolutely believe that the way a person speaks tells you a lot about them, so I can imagine just what type of bar owner he is. 

I read it and I think its owned by his family and he's just works there with minor chores. 

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Chatty Cake

Chatty Cake

I was relieved that Karla asked for a divorce. They made it seem like she was considering giving it a chance. I was glad Juan admitted he didn’t like the spiritual crap. She looked a bit peeved.

I hope Thomas and Camille really give it a chance. I agree that they could start off in one of their smaller apartments, use the other for storage and start looking for something more suitable.

David gave Michelle the gift of being a victim. Instead of owning that he completely messed up and tried to cover it with lies, he continued to put it back on her. Viewers saw how she treated him.

Madisons apology to Allen was also weak.   She says they didn’t plan it, that it wasn’t done maliciously. Well no shit. Nobody joins the show and announces a plan to cheat on their new spouse if another spouse catches their eye. She needed to acknowledge that pretending there was a chance while already involved with David was what was really the messed up part.

Poor Emem. Ikechi is no longer the biggest jerk but she keeps trying to give him the business like he is.  She should have said hello to him and ended it there.

Allen was right telling David to stop saying their intention wasn’t bad. Yes it was! Otherwise, he wouldn’t have tried that story about the text being about food and Madison wouldn’t have acted like there was a possibility for them as a couple while enjoying gym time together and nights out drinking. 

Madison looks clown like with her makeup and dress for what should be a walk of shame. Instead she’s loud and proud and ready to go after Michelle. While I agree with her that Michelle didn’t give a crap about David, that doesn’t mean he’s up for grabs like round 2 of a white elephant gift exchange.

 

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ytown

ytown

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I must of watched a different series than the experts.  As they excoriated David at his court martial hearing and defended poor little Michelle like she was trying.  Michelle did to David like Mike Tyson did to his opponents .  It was over for her at first peek and she turned the narrative that she was constantly lied too while her whole existence on the show was a phony act and the experts bought it.  She wanted David as much as I want a Necrophilliac visiting me at the morgue.

Karla's spiritual crap and her tattoos were a turnoff for me.  She seemed more like a high school girl than a 30+ woman.

Ikeche treated Em terribly and I thought he was a professional gas lighter but her melt down was too much after she did the same the week before(move on).  She looked like a battered woman and it wasn't a good look for her.

I think Madison's terrible makeup was really war paint as she's ready to battle with Michelle.

 

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Lindz

Lindz

14 hours ago, JayDub1987 said:

I do think Michelle is trying some revisionist history.

Maybe not quite. Seems she's just not acknowledging her words & actions prior to that text & keeps repeating that, "is this true?" BS, when she knows it is. If they don't play every clip of her saying the same line over & over at the reunion.... They did a thing, she said she still had a problem, they did another thing, she said she still had a problem. Rinse. Repeat. How was he supposed to feel?!!! She just expected him to wait til she maybe came around? 😕 Totally self-centered! Still wrong of him to text & lie & not formally quit first. She has to take responsibility for her behavior & she's using him lying to avoid doing that.

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Lindz

Lindz

14 hours ago, Elizzikra said:

 I honestly wonder, any time a couple cheat in order to get together - how do you ever get past such an inauspicious beginning. If someone has cheated with you, how do you know they won't do it to you?

*Sigh* I guess because they "care" about each other, it's not a concern. Whatever that's worth. Idk. I say let the cheaters do what they do! 🙄

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seacliffsal

seacliffsal

I think David and Madison may feel a lot of pressure to stay together and flaunt their relationship in order to prove how 'right' they were to 'find' each other.  Make themselves victims in their marriages as it was 'destined' for them to be together.

I think Allen is really appropriate to not shake David's hand or really interact with him or Madison.  I think that will bother David (and maybe Madison) more in the long run rather than pretending everything is all right.

Emem is losing me with her ongoing need to take down Ikechi publicly.  Look, we know he's a jerk, let it go and rise above it.  

Michelle also needs to let it go IMO.  Let Madison say whatever she says to try to justify herself or make herself a victim, and just laugh it off.  Reacting so much feeds into whatever it is Madison is trying to convey.  And, Madison, the red eve shadow does you no favors (well, and neighter does walking in with David like he is a trophy).

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Lindz

Lindz

4 hours ago, Chatty Cake said:

I was glad Juan admitted he didn’t like the spiritual crap. She looked a bit peeved.

It was ridiculous for him to bring it up the day before DD like anything can change it now & had nothing to back it up. That's his problem, he says stuff & can't support it. The cards? ONCE? Is too much??? YEAH. RIGHT. He's reaching for stupid excuses. 🙄

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Empress1

Empress1

11 minutes ago, seacliffsal said:

I think David and Madison may feel a lot of pressure to stay together and flaunt their relationship in order to prove how 'right' they were to 'find' each other

Haven’t seen the episode yet but I know a couple that got together by cheating and they stayed together longer than they should have (they weren’t a match at all; the only thing they liked about each other was the taboo of cheating) to prove that they hadn’t blown up their lives and hurt good people for nothing. I could see that here.

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Lindz

Lindz

15 hours ago, Elizzikra said:

Ugh. I don't want to watch David and Madison on a date (that, I noted, she won't refer to as a date).

A golf "date." How cute! 🙄 This "couple swap" they teased all season has not delivered AT ALL!!! Low-key, one pair of spouses, & happened at the end. Total DUD!!! That stupid text made the most drama for 5 episodes!!! Wait weeks or months? David? YEAH. RIGHT!!!!

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