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A new lead in Colter’s white whale case, the disappearance of Gina Picket, brings him and retired cop Keaton (guest star Brent Sexton) back together to track down a serial killer.

Premiere Date: February 16, 2025    CBS     8pm

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Brent Sexton as Keaton 

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Ryan Dorsey as Frank Whales 

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Nicholas Lea as Noah Darview

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agathapenny

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1 hour ago, AnimeMania said:

What police department would let somebody who is not in law enforcement, borrow somebody in custody, suspected of murder, completely unsupervised and unaccompanied by someone from the police.

Totally true, and yet, this was an entertaining episode. They created a good amount of dramatic tension and I was invested in the plot.

I breathed a sigh of relief when Reenie said if she was going to represent Wales (Whales?) it was going to be for real, and she would respect lawyer/client privilege. 

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TheCathedral

TheCathedral

 

2 hours ago, surfgirl said:

I think you meant the air date to be 2925 yes?

As for the epi, why do they have to be so frigifn dark and twisted? It's exhausting.

Good lord was that dark? It felt like a totally different show, almost like Criminal Minds or something

It was somewhat entertaining and surprising, I was expecting a season long arc but nope! Case closed! It was solved so quickly that it makes Colter looks inept lol he tried to solve it for 10 years and with Sexton's help he closed the case in a few weeks?

Was the teacher the old man's son in law? Or just a random doctor that looked like him? it's pretty late so maybe I missed something, his demise felt a little rushed, why was Colter even at the abandoned hospital? with no backup, I thought it was a trap.

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Snazzy Daisy

Snazzy Daisy

So, Colter (a civilian) is allowed by the police to take a suspect in custody for a road trip, without police escort? Then the suspect gets killed under his supervision and no questions asked??! Come on. 🙄

Am glad the Gina Picket’s case is now closed. It’s not an impactful case that the writers want it to be.

Can we now go back to digging dirts on Colter’s family secrets especially about his dad etc.

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Beezella

Beezella

6 hours ago, TheCathedral said:

Was the teacher the old man's son in law? Or just a random doctor that looked like him?

I'm confused. Who is the old man? The retired cop who is helping Colter?  Is this a guess, or was it told or suggested?

Also, I did not like that cop's violent methods. Colter had been presented as an ethical and kind fellow, but, although he didn't seem to condone the methods, he didn't protest either.

Wait, maybe not ethical (breaking and entering in probably every episode!) but not cruel.

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agathapenny

agathapenny

4 hours ago, NeenerNeener said:

Yep. I should have realized it was him when I first saw him. You don't hire Nicholas Lea (famous X-Files bad guy) unless he's going to be the bad guy here too.

I knew as soon as I saw him, lol.

1 hour ago, Beezella said:

Also, I did not like that cop's violent methods. Colter had been presented as an ethical and kind fellow, but, although he didn't seem to condone the methods, he didn't protest either.

Wait, maybe not ethical (breaking and entering in probably every episode!) but not cruel.

This I did not like. It makes me side-eye everything this guy did as a cop. Did he just beat "confessions" out of people? (I put that in quotation marks because torture is notoriously unreliable as a way to get information. Break people? Absolutely. They'll say anything you want them to and they'll sometimes be damaged for life. Get the critical information that's the truth? Not so much. That's why TV shows and movies that depict torture as a viable method to gain information just make me angry. It is really misleading to the viewers, and can skew what they see as acceptable in real life.)

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Beezella

Beezella

2 hours ago, AnimeMania said:

old man = guy in nursing home with dementia that owned the property containing the (the farm) barn.

Ohhhh!!!  Thank you. (VERY old man) hmmm. So the husband at the nursing home was the villain? And his wife had no idea? So I guess I'm now confused about the geography, she said they lived in Chicago and didn't get there often to take care of the property.

I guess that's why they had him in that weird mask so he could remove it for the reveal.

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TheCathedral

TheCathedral

1 hour ago, Beezella said:

Ohhhh!!!  Thank you. (VERY old man) hmmm. So the husband at the nursing home was the villain? And his wife had no idea? So I guess I'm now confused about the geography, she said they lived in Chicago and didn't get there often to take care of the property.

I guess that's why they had him in that weird mask so he could remove it for the reveal.

I was confused too but apparently I was right, the weird thing is that as far as I remember no one acknowledged that the Teacher was the son in law. I guess that the old man was really talking to his son in law not Colter when he delivered his only line, that scene was really odd.

The episode did a good job with the setup but the payoff felt rushed, the old man had a record, does that mean that he was involved or was it just a coincidence that his daughter married a serial killer? we'll never know

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roamyn

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9 hours ago, TheCathedral said:

The episode did a good job with the setup but the payoff felt rushed, the old man had a record, does that mean that he was involved or was it just a coincidence that his daughter married a serial killer? we'll never know

Yes that was very rushed.   Aftwe all his planning, his years as a killer, he just gives everything up, no bargaining or trying to get off?

Kinda felt bad for Whales, too, as he was brainwashed. 

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Yep. I should have realized it was him when I first saw him. You don't hire Nicholas Lea (famous X-Files bad guy) unless he's going to be the bad guy here too.

He actually played Elliot Ness, a good guy, on Supernatural. 

I, too, did not like the way the retired cop behaved.  Too over the top w/the 3rd degree.  For a moment I wondered if he might have some involvement. 

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marceline

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So Colter's just fine with torture now? Well I'm not. This isn't the show I signed up for. I was happy at first that Colter had another member of the team but if Keaton's only role is to commit violence, he can fall into a gorge somewhere. Meanwhile we got minimal Bobby and Velma.

I hope this means the Gina Picket arc is over. Although I like the actor who plays Gina's sister. It took me a minute to remember where I knew her from. She was Darcy on A Million Little Things.

I feel like the show hasn't figured out how it wants to balance the case of the week, Colter's family drama, and longer arcs like this.

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Dowel Jones

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On 2/16/2025 at 7:41 PM, AnimeMania said:

What police department would let somebody who is not in law enforcement, borrow somebody in custody, suspected of murder, completely unsupervised and unaccompanied by someone from the police

A TV Police Department, of course.  Don't you know that all TVPDs are borderline incompetent, and it takes a lone wolf who plays by his own rules to actually solve cases?

On 2/16/2025 at 9:45 PM, surfgirl said:

I think you meant the air date to be 2925 yes?

Colter realized his truck is burning up his entire reward money in gasoline, so he got a TARDIS instead

4 hours ago, marceline said:

Although I like the actor who plays Gina's sister. It took me a minute to remember where I knew her from. She was Darcy on A Million Little Things.

You have a better memory than I do.  I barely remember that show, let alone the actors.  Did Colter at least get a thank-you bang from Gina's sister?  Maybe it was off camera.  He deserves one for actually putting on a suit and tie.

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1 minute ago, proserpina65 said:

I had some satellite issues due to the weather Sunday night and missed a bit.  What made Colter and Keaton go to the nursing home?

To visit the person that owned the farm/barn.

Did Colter give Keaton any of the reward money, he should have given him all of it. Then he should have paid Reenie double for having her come all the way there just to let her client get killed.

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emma675

emma675

6 minutes ago, proserpina65 said:

That was the barn where Wales took Gina, right?  And what was the talk about finding a body at the barn?  That's the section I missed.  For me it went from them getting to the barn and then straight to the nursing home.

It was rushed and I may be remembering wrong, but Colter and Keaton were searching the farm after the first disciple showed them where it was and they found a skeleton in a grain silo on the property. It wasn't Gina's but that led them to believe that's where the Teacher took her and other victims.

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surfgirl

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12 minutes ago, emma675 said:

It was rushed and I may be remembering wrong, but Colter and Keaton were searching the farm after the first disciple showed them where it was and they found a skeleton in a grain silo on the property. It wasn't Gina's but that led them to believe that's where the Teacher took her and other victims.

IIRC the skeleton was wearing a shirt similar or the one that Gina was wearing when she was taken, but they determined the skeleton was male so not Gina. This show has gotten way too dark for me, and not even good looks and a fine ass body are going to be enough to keep me watching if it continues to do down these very dark and creepy paths.

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TheCathedral

TheCathedral

4 hours ago, LexieLily said:

What happened to the kid that The Teacher took at the beginning of the episode, Brandon? Was he rescued like Hannah was? Why did his mom immediately jump to 'he stole my car and took off' and not that, y'know, he was kidnapped? 

He was the new disciple that was shot by the former disciple, the episode was all over the place.

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MissLucas

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That was weird. It felt as if the show wanted to go dark but not too dark and somehow missed the mark especially when it came to the relationship between Teacher and Disciple. I mean the new Disciple had only been there for a very short time and he was already turned, how? Criminal Minds would have gone there.

I did like the ending with Colter telling Camille what the grilling had been about and her deciding to travel now - something she had not dared to do in case Gina came back. That at least felt authentic.

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roamyn

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32 minutes ago, MissLucas said:

That was weird. It felt as if the show wanted to go dark but not too dark and somehow missed the mark especially when it came to the relationship between Teacher and Disciple. I mean the new Disciple had only been there for a very short time and he was already turned, how? Criminal Minds would have gone there.

I think it was implied that the drug Teacher used on the kid had some mind altering properties and made it easier to flip them.  Plus, because his disciples were so young and already troubled with the law that also made it easier.

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peeayebee

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On 2/17/2025 at 7:40 AM, Beezella said:

Also, I did not like that cop's violent methods. Colter had been presented as an ethical and kind fellow, but, although he didn't seem to condone the methods, he didn't protest either.

Yeah, in the previous ep where Colter finds that the cop has kidnapped and beaten the guy, Colter seems really disturbed by it. But now... all is forgotten! Very weird. I didn't like it either. And then in this ep were other instances where the cop (or ex-cop, I guess) threatened violence or shooting or whatever, and Colter hardly blinked. Not good.

But I'm glad the case is over. Like others here, I was somewhat surprised that it was resolved so quickly. 

The moment we saw the son-in-law sitting there, I knew he was Teacher. I couldn't remember the actor's name, but any time you see a familiar face, you know, 99% of the time, that they're the bad guy.

I really really hate how dark scenes are filmed these days.

 

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LexieLily

LexieLily

6 hours ago, MissLucas said:

That was weird. It felt as if the show wanted to go dark but not too dark and somehow missed the mark especially when it came to the relationship between Teacher and Disciple. I mean the new Disciple had only been there for a very short time and he was already turned, how? Criminal Minds would have gone there.

I did like the ending with Colter telling Camille what the grilling had been about and her deciding to travel now - something she had not dared to do in case Gina came back. That at least felt authentic.

See, and immediately when Camile told Colter she wanted to travel the world now for a split second my mind flashed back to the cops/techs telling Colter and Crew how The Teacher got his victims and disciples and thus was able to fly under the radar for so long by being a traveling doctor and all the kidnappings happening in different cities.... 

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possibilities

possibilities

I noticed that Colter wanted her to live with and travel with him.

Until now, they've characterized him as a loner who nevertheless has a woman in almost every episode who he has a hook up, flirtation, or Loaded Romantic History with. But apparently Gina's sister is the one who he actually wants to settle down with, and she's the one who says no.

 

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MarylandGirl

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4 hours ago, possibilities said:

I noticed that Colter wanted her to live with and travel with him.

Until now, they've characterized him as a loner who nevertheless has a woman in almost every episode who he has a hook up, flirtation, or Loaded Romantic History with. But apparently Gina's sister is the one who he actually wants to settle down with, and she's the one who says no.

 

I wonder if maybe she wanted him to settle down with her in the past and he refused? Just a guess. I also think being with him would likely be a constant reminder of her sister.

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Souris

Souris

On 2/17/2025 at 7:13 AM, NeenerNeener said:

Yep. I should have realized it was him when I first saw him. You don't hire Nicholas Lea (famous X-Files bad guy) unless he's going to be the bad guy here too.

The second I saw Nicholas Lea's name at the beginning of the ep, I knew immediately he was Teacher. Way to ruin any suspense via casting! 😂 It's like seeing Burn Gorman's name. You just know.

I was expecting it to be a longer arc.

I also thought it was odd how smiley the sister was afterward. Like, I get the weight of not knowing was gone, but you'd expect a few tears or conflicting emotions.

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possibilities

possibilities

17 hours ago, Johnny Dollar said:

So, Gina was 19 when she disappeared ten years ago. She liked to protect her older sister by interrogating her boyfriends, so she gave Colter the third degree. Maybe she was concerned that her 22-ish year old sister was dating a 40 year old man!

I don't think Colter looks like he was 40 ten years ago. I think he and the living sister look about the same age.

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