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S01.E13: Let’s Play

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Annber03

Annber03

...hoo boy, that was a wild hour. A LOT going on throughout. 

Oh, Oz. Don't do that to me again, show! I figured he'd pull through, but they did a pretty good job of making us briefly wonder otherwise when Daphne was giving him CPR there for a moment*. 

Also, his whole thing about missing his dad. Mines been gone 15 years htis year, but I get the general sentiment, Oz. Poor guy. Will be interesting to see how he works through that grief going forward. 

*I know people are going to focus on the Morgan/Karadec of it all, be they shippers or not, and understandably so - I liked their conversation during their dance at the gala. But man, for me, this episode just really further fueled my Daphne/Oz shipping interests :D. They realy do have a good dynamic with each other and I like the way they banter and look out for each other. No idea if the show will go there with those two, but I'm fully on board if they do. 

As for the main case, super creepy storyline with the guy targeting people with the games and the dolls and the freaky messages. And then that ending, with Morgani realizing who she and her family ran into at the store. Eek. 

Also, the reveal about Roman. I had a feeling that might be the case...and now  too am worried about this guy who had all the information Morgan was seeking. I'm glad he doesn't seem as shady as he initially came off, but yeah, I too fear he might be putting himself at serious risk for getting involved here. Also intrigued about this whole thing with Lisa - and hey, Ronnie's back to help deliver that info! I was hoping we'd get to see more of him, this is a good way to bring him back into the fold and interacting with Karadec again. 

On a significantly lighter note, some great moments with Ava and Morgan this episode. We know Ava's struggled at times with feeling like she didn't take after her mom, but I think this episode did a great job of showing just how alike they really can be in a lot of ways :). 

Also loved seeing everyone in their gala outfits, they looked so glam. 

Okay! And now we wait for season two! Even more glad this show got renewed now given that kind of ending. 

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Chicago Redshirt

Chicago Redshirt

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51 minutes ago, ams1001 said:

How are they supposed to hear a response when they're making so much noise?

How does she know how much insulin to give him?

 

If you're talking about the storage unit scene, I would think there's a difference between the sort of noise the cops were making and the potential noise someone inside a storage unit might make, both in the quality, volume and direction.

A few possibilities in terms of how she knew how much dosage to give:

1. She or another cop contacted his doctor/pharmacist and found out the proper dosage

2. The insulin prescription specified on the bottle how much he was supposed to take

3. She looked up online how much someone was supposed to take and made an educated guess. The chance of him getting too much after being off it for at least a day is relatively small.  

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possibilities

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Do we think the target will be Ludo? All the rest of her family was home safe and in view.

I loved Karadec's tie and Morgan's dress.  

I thought they should have been asking who else knew about the storage locker from the moment the first victim was found there.

I think Gio was asking a lot of her to expect her to meet him alone in non-public places, but I also hated Karadec trying to turn her into a damsel and make himself a hero,which was obvious would backfire.

It was stupid to say Daphne would protect him, and then leave Oz without protection. 

Nitpicking aside, though, I liked the episode well enough. Good family moments, and everybody working together. I seem to be easy to please these days.

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Irlandesa

Irlandesa

1 hour ago, kathyk2 said:

'm happy Karadec and Morgan are just partners instead of possible love interests.

I don't feel them but I'm pretty sure they're meant to be love interests and they'll eventually go there.  I think there already have been little hints here and there.

So the guy in the parking lot is the guy playing the game but he's not Roman, right? Or is he?

I think I got a little lost with the dual stories going on in this episode.

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kathyk2

kathyk2

1 minute ago, Irlandesa said:

I don't feel them but I'm pretty sure they're meant to be love interests and they'll eventually go there.  I think there already have been little hints here and there.

So the guy in the parking lot is the guy playing the game but he's not Roman, right? Or is he?

I think I got a little lost with the dual stories going on in this episode.

I don't think so because Morgan and Ludo still seem like a couple. Morgan has also dated Tom I don't see any attraction between Karadec and Morgan.

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agathapenny

agathapenny

Wow, what a great episode, and what a hell of a cliffhanger on so many levels.

So I'm guessing game guy is going to be a recurring nemesis?

I doubt we're really going to get a resolution to the Roman mystery this early, so i doubt it's going to be as cut and dried as it sounded.

Wow those dolls were creepy.

Loved the family scenes.

Love Morgan and Karadec. Tons of chemistry. Looked like Karadec got hit by a two-by-four when he saw her at the gala, lol. I don't think the show would go there for a while yet, and the characters aren't ready for a romance together yet, and I'm happy to watch them in their current iteration for the time being. No need to rush it.

I get the criticism about Karadec insisting he go to the meet, but I don't think he was being unreasonable. Morgan is not a trained officer and the informant was introduced as a very, very shady and dangerous person. Now they know there's a murdered FBI agent in the mix. Morgan meeting him alone at a hotel room would have been crazy dangerous. And she does have three children she needs to think about.

Interesting that they briefly reintroduced Tom, here, just as we're closing in on more info on Roman. I think he definitely has to tie into that story in some way.

Love Daphne and Oz. I was actually really worried there for a moment they were going kill Oz, and I'm so glad they didn't. We learned a bit more about him, and the actor did great work in that post-drowning scene with Morgan when he was talking about his dad. Everyone on this show is just so good.

I'm going to miss having a new episode to look forward to on Tuesdays! At least this was renewed....

35 minutes ago, Irlandesa said:

So the guy in the parking lot is the guy playing the game but he's not Roman, right? Or is he?

I think I got a little lost with the dual stories going on in this episode.

Definitely not Roman. Just the crazy game player they're chasing.

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Chicago Redshirt

Chicago Redshirt

I enjoyed this one a lot and am sad that we'll have to wait months to see what's next.

I have precious few nitpicks about this one.

The one plot point I didn't like -- Daphne and Morgan just standing poolside while Karadec tried to rescue Oz. Are they afraid of getting chlorine on their dresses? No way would they just stand there gaping like that.

I did wonder for a second if the show would have had the balls to kill off Oz. Personally, i think it would have raised the stakes a lot and probably given more breathing room to the show's characters. Oz and Daphne basically don't have enough to do as it stands. Oz has gotten his only development as a character (he's grieving over having lost a relative) this episode. 

When Karadec referred to their adversary as this joker, I wondered if they were intentionally referencing the Batman villain, in which case it's a bad reference. He'd be closer to the Riddler. I wonder what he's really about and why he targeted this group, other than "that's what the plot calls for."

 

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Irlandesa

Irlandesa

1 hour ago, kathyk2 said:

I don't think so because Morgan and Ludo still seem like a couple. Morgan has also dated Tom I don't see any attraction between Karadec and Morgan.

Like I said, I personally don't ship them but they're doing all the coupley tropes like being mistaken for a couple, long nights working together and the "wow you look beautiful" moment.  Yes, she has another boyfriend but they already conveniently shipped him off to a different city.

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BMGepinniw

BMGepinniw

4 hours ago, Annber03 said:

...hoo boy, that was a wild hour. A LOT going on throughout. 

Oh, Oz. Don't do that to me again, show! I figured he'd pull through, but they did a pretty good job of making us briefly wonder otherwise when Daphne was giving him CPR there for a moment*. 

Also, his whole thing about missing his dad. Mines been gone 15 years htis year, but I get the general sentiment, Oz. Poor guy. Will be interesting to see how he works through that grief going forward. 

*I know people are going to focus on the Morgan/Karadec of it all, be they shippers or not, and understandably so - I liked their conversation during their dance at the gala. But man, for me, this episode just really further fueled my Daphne/Oz shipping interests :D. They realy do have a good dynamic with each other and I like the way they banter and look out for each other. No idea if the show will go there with those two, but I'm fully on board if they do. 

As for the main case, super creepy storyline with the guy targeting people with the games and the dolls and the freaky messages. And then that ending, with Morgani realizing who she and her family ran into at the store. Eek. 

Also, the reveal about Roman. I had a feeling that might be the case...and now  too am worried about this guy who had all the information Morgan was seeking. I'm glad he doesn't seem as shady as he initially came off, but yeah, I too fear he might be putting himself at serious risk for getting involved here. Also intrigued about this whole thing with Lisa - and hey, Ronnie's back to help deliver that info! I was hoping we'd get to see more of him, this is a good way to bring him back into the fold and interacting with Karadec again. 

On a significantly lighter note, some great moments with Ava and Morgan this episode. We know Ava's struggled at times with feeling like she didn't take after her mom, but I think this episode did a great job of showing just how alike they really can be in a lot of ways :). 

Also loved seeing everyone in their gala outfits, they looked so glam. 

Okay! And now we wait for season two! Even more glad this show got renewed now given that kind of ending. 

That sure was an incredible finale / cliffhanger, jam-packed with twists and turns to keep us on edge the whole time!  

I thought Oz was going to be a cliffhanger, but thanks to Karadec and Daphne, we got our guy back.  

Poor Morgan when she realized who the supermarket parking lot fellow was, and the message to her on the game sure shook her up, and rightly so.  Bad enough he's targeting Morgan, but all three kids were there as well, and he got a good look at them, and likely heard enough of the conversation to pick up some potentially useful tidbits.  It's all becoming a little too real for her.  

Sure looking forward to the new season!  

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sweetandsour

sweetandsour

David Guintoli!!  I wish I had been surprised he appeared at the end, but the guest credits spoiled it.  And James Roday Rodriguez got to direct him.  What a fun little reunion.  He looked great.

I assume Roman ran to keep his family safe/out of whatever he had gotten into, after Agent Flynn was murdered.  I don't think he killed her.  Or maybe this is too straightforward and they will write something more ambiguous on Roman's part.

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tv echo

tv echo

6 hours ago, agathapenny said:

Interesting that they briefly reintroduced Tom, here, just as we're closing in on more info on Roman. I think he definitely has to tie into that story in some way.

I also find Tom's return suspicious. He could be bad or good - someone connected to the parking lot villain guy or someone sent by Roman to watch over his family maybe?

Anyway, I enjoyed this episode. Can't wait for the next season.

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luna1122again

luna1122again

2 hours ago, sweetandsour said:

David Guintoli!!  I wish I had been surprised he appeared at the end, but the guest credits spoiled it.  And James Roday Rodriguez got to direct him.  What a fun little reunion.  He looked great.

 

He's crazy good looking. I squealed when I saw him, because I knew James Roday Rodriguez had directed the episode. I loved that. And I love that he'll be back, cuz even if he's playing a psycho, he's so pretty to look at. 

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Chicago Redshirt

Chicago Redshirt

6 hours ago, Irlandesa said:

Yes, she has another boyfriend but they already conveniently shipped him off to a different city.

I would say "boyfriend" is too strong. They've flirted and gone on now, what, two dates including the gala? They haven't even kissed as far as I recall, though I could be wrong about that. I still suspect something is not on the up and up with Tom.

I suspect the show to want Karadec and Morgan to be endgame, and having Karadec smitten with Morgan dolled up is a step toward that. 

In the meantime, there's now Ludo and Roman in he Morgan romance sweepstakes.

I do get the sense that the villain from this episode -- I'll call him the Player -- is also trying to set up some twisted romantic/sexual drama with Morgan because he too has HPI and sees her as worthy of him.  

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shapeshifter

shapeshifter

3 hours ago, sweetandsour said:

David Guintoli!!  I wish I had been surprised he appeared at the end, but the guest credits spoiled it.  And James Roday Rodriguez got to direct him.  What a fun little reunion.  He looked great.

I was unspoiled, so David Guintoli's disguise removal was everything WTH? it was meant to be, no doubt thanks to James Roday Rodriguez.

1 hour ago, luna1122again said:

He's crazy good looking.

David Guintoli is almost as good looking as he was when Grimm premiered 24 years ago. 

 

1 hour ago, tv echo said:

I also find Tom's return suspicious.

Yes. Totally suss is Tom. Shouldn't Morgan be able to see through him? 🦸‍♀️

10 minutes ago, Chicago Redshirt said:

I do get the sense that the villain from this episode -- I'll call him the Player -- is also trying to set up some twisted romantic/sexual drama with Morgan because he too has HPI and sees her as worthy of him. 

Do you mean Parking Lot Guy (David Guintoli) or Tom, Former Cleaning Guy?
That sounds like what Tom's story might be.
Maybe the various Morgan obsessed villains can kill each other.

 

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Chicago Redshirt

Chicago Redshirt

4 minutes ago, shapeshifter said:

Do you mean Parking Lot Guy (David Guintoli) or Tom, Former Cleaning Guy?
That sounds like what Tom's story might be.
Maybe the various Morgan obsessed villains can kill each other.

I meant Parking Lot Guy.

While I do suspect Tom of being too good to be true, I haven't seen any inkling that he is smarter than the average bear. 

The Player had to have the same sort of eclectic knowledge base to set up all these games the way he did. It is too trope-tastic for the show to avoid a confrontation where he tells Morgan that they are two sides of the same coin/they belong together etc etc. and for Morgan to say "We're nothing alike!"

I think part of what I really liked about this episode is that Morgan has been so much smarter than the Villains of the Week it hasn't been funny. In fact, most weeks if the Villains of the Week kept their mouths shut and didn't act guilty to confirm Morgan's wackadoo theories, they probably would beat them in court. 

Not so much with the Player. He is literally toying with the LAPD and could have killed any of these people if he wanted to. He showed that he could have killed Morgan and her family if he wanted to. 

Giving Morgan a worthy adversary, a Moriarty, a Hannibal, a Red John kicks things up a notch.

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AnimeMania

AnimeMania

Not a horrible episode. I don't like two-parters when there is a week gap between them, so this was a negative reaction for me. I hope they catch the guy as soon as the show comes back because long term villains suck all the fun and light heartedness out of a TV Series.

I think Tom is uncover FBI and came snooping around (cleaning staff would be an excellent cover) when the police started looking into Roman and left for another case when he didn't turn up much. Tom reached out again when the police started digging into the murdered FBI lady.

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chaifan

chaifan

55 minutes ago, shapeshifter said:

David Guintoli is almost as good looking as he was when Grimm premiered 24 years ago. 

I think you meant 14 years ago.  🙂  (2011-2017)  

This was a really good episode.  Yeah, some issues here and there, as people have noted.  My nitpick is that ok, Morgan's going to be a whiz at jigsaw puzzles.  But it was big enough for other people to help, not just stand around and look at her doing it the whole time.  

My big question is whether Big Bad Guy knew Morgan was working with the police and these games were specifically for her to solve, or if all these victims got really lucky that Morgan is on the team.  Because otherwise, they'd all be dead, they may have never even been found.  Is he now focusing on Morgan (the card deck) because he learned of her existence, or was she part of the game all along?

Either way, I hope they end the cliffhanger in the first episode or two of Season 2, and catch/kill this guy.  I don't want a Big Bad arc going over the whole season.  That's one thing I like about this show - that every episode is pretty much stand alone.  New case every week.  However, if DG is Big Bad, I can't believe he's in it for 1-2 episodes, so that makes me believe this will be a long arc.  ugh.

I loved the family interaction with the dress shopping.  This is a rare show that has kids that don't annoy the crap out of me.  The other problem with this being a cliffhanger is that they can't time jump to keep pace with the kid actor's aging.  Ava and Elliot are at the ages where 6-12 months makes a lot of difference in their appearance.  They can always recast Chloe.  

Morgan/Karadec - I've said it before, I would really like for this show to go anti-trope and not put them together as a couple. I think it would be hilarious to put them in a tropey romantic situation (them having to play newlyweds or something), have them kiss, then pull back, give each other weird faces, and go "nope, not happening".  And then go back to being partners.  

12 minutes ago, AnimeMania said:

I think Tom is uncover FBI and came snooping around (cleaning staff would be an excellent cover) when the police started looking into Roman and left for another case when he didn't turn up much. Tom reached out again when the police started digging into the murdered FBI lady.

I love this idea!  I would much rather have this be the case than have Tom be some long game part of Big Bad.  I'd like for him to be genuinely interested in Morgan, and I'd rather see them as a couple than Morgan/Karadec.

I suspected earlier that Roman disappeared because he was in some sort of witness protection program.  Being an informant would fit with that.

 

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agathapenny

agathapenny

8 hours ago, Chicago Redshirt said:

I did wonder for a second if the show would have had the balls to kill off Oz. Personally, i think it would have raised the stakes a lot and probably given more breathing room to the show's characters. Oz and Daphne basically don't have enough to do as it stands. Oz has gotten his only development as a character (he's grieving over having lost a relative) this episode. 

See I loathe it when TV shows start randomly killing off their characters and think it's incredibly lazy and stupid. It automatically makes me like a show less. How is it brave when every show under the sun does it because they think it's edgy and cool? I love the lightheartedness of this show and don't want it ruined by that particular trope.

26 minutes ago, AnimeMania said:

I think Tom is uncover FBI and came snooping around (cleaning staff would be an excellent cover) when the police started looking into Roman and left for another case when he didn't turn up much. Tom reached out again when the police started digging into the murdered FBI lady.

I think this is a decent guess. I, too, don't get bad guy vibes from him.

I really hope the show doesn't have Morgan quit for a while at the beginning of season two, too scared by game guy to continue with her work with the police. I'm always kind of annoyed by those kind of storylines. And Morgan, as smart as she is, should realize that he's not going to be put off because she quits.

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Percysowner

Percysowner

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I really enjoyed this one, no huge plot holes stood out to me, so YAY! Anyway, I know most people are shipping Karadec and Morgan, but honestly, I'm on the Karadec/Ronnie (former partner) ship. They just have more chemistry to me than Morgan and Karadec AND it avoids the co-workers must turn into romantic partners trope, which I'm not fond of. Although I will say I can see a Daphne/Oz ship and I wouldn't mind because they are background characters and, again, I see real chemistry there.

It does look like David Giuntoli will be a recurring villain High Potential Boss Breaks Down Finale’s Roman Reveal, Offers Early Intel on David Giuntoli’s Mystery Role I'm fine with that, he's a good actor and having him recur could be fun.

So we got Tom back for a minute and a half. I was afraid HE was going to turn out to be Puzzle Guy. I'm glad I was wrong. I'm now thinking he could be Roman, after plastic surgery. I'm not sure it works because everything points to Roman being Hispanic and Tom definitely isn't, but it would explain his popping in again, for what seems like no reason. Roman coming back, wanting to check on his family without involving them in his life would give Tom a good reason to stick around.

Okay, just saw the speculation that Tom is FBI or WitSec in charge of protecting Roman. That would work too.

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luna1122again

luna1122again

When I saw that the clue to save Oz was Marco Polo, I immediately said "Is there a pool here? Find the pool." I know that the game isn't always played in water, but it's where my mind immediately went. 

I'm not shipping Morgan and Karadec either, and hope they don't go there, but they probably will. 

I thought it was sort of funny, tho predictable, that everyone at the gala was dressed in dark shades (not that that's a bad thing, wearing black is my jam, and Daphne's dark blue velvet gown was gorgeous, as is she) and Morgan comes in blinding hot pink. But she looked great. 

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Raja

Raja

9 hours ago, Chicago Redshirt said:

I enjoyed this one a lot and am sad that we'll have to wait months to see what's next.

I have precious few nitpicks about this one.

The one plot point I didn't like -- Daphne and Morgan just standing poolside while Karadec tried to rescue Oz. Are they afraid of getting chlorine on their dresses? No way would they just stand there gaping like that.

I did wonder for a second if the show would have had the balls to kill off Oz. Personally, i think it would have raised the stakes a lot and probably given more breathing room to the show's characters. Oz and Daphne basically don't have enough to do as it stands. Oz has gotten his only development as a character (he's grieving over having lost a relative) this episode. 

 

 

My first thought was didn't they stop teaching mouth to mouth but of course life saving becomes the opportunity to engage the shipping fans. When Karadec was down in the pool I was remembering how hard that was as a young man. At 50 something it seemed near superhero lifeguard measures. But most of all the an officer needs help where was the Adam-12 patrol unit to jump in to save one of their own while the squad was driving over

13 hours ago, ams1001 said:

How are they supposed to hear a response when they're making so much noise?

A second where was everybody else, I guess first in the story, moment. My thought was where was the K-9 unit. Major Crimes has to come from somewhere so you would think the search dogs would have as fast a response time.

1 minute ago, luna1122again said:

I thought it was sort of funny, tho predictable, that everyone at the gala was dressed in dark shades (not that that's a bad thing, wearing black is my jam, and Daphne's dark blue velvet gown was gorgeous, as is she) and Morgan comes in blinding hot pink. But she looked great.

I hadn't noticed. Just that Morgan's daughter dressed her and was expecting a chorus of her daughter should dress her for work comments from folks about to tap out of the series.

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iMonrey

iMonrey

This felt like it should have been a 2-hour finale, so much was crammed into the last five minutes. It's rather baffling to see a name actor like David Guintoli show up for one brief scene at the end of a season finale. Even if he knew he'd be asked back for a second season, they couldn't guarantee at the time they'd get renewed. 

What exactly did Karadec learn from Gio to uncover what happened to Roman? And the way his call to Morgan overlapped her realization that Parking Lot guy was Puzzle guy did make it seem like maybe he was Roman. So it was confusing.

{sigh} I want to like this show, I really do, but the writing just isn't quite there. It seems like the best episodes were the ones based on the French version, and once they exhausted the adaptable material and started writing original stories they faltered because they just aren't as good as the French writers were.

There's a big problem with the premise. It would make more sense if Morgan were being called in to examine cold cases they had given up on. She is supposed to be a consultant, after all. Instead, she is just unofficially Karadec's partner and is sent out on every single new case he is assigned to investigate, like she's a regular detective. That makes is seem like Karadec/the police can't do their jobs without her.

It also exacerbates the silly things, like Morgan tramping up a mountain in high heel boots or running around looking for Oz in an evening gown. The scenes with Oz lacked any emotional punch because the show has not really developed the character. 

I like the cast, and the show is an easy enough watch, but they need to tweak the premise a bit and they need better writers.

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Raja

Raja

33 minutes ago, iMonrey said:

There's a big problem with the premise. It would make more sense if Morgan were being called in to examine cold cases they had given up on. She is supposed to be a consultant, after all. Instead, she is just unofficially Karadec's partner and is sent out on every single new case he is assigned to investigate, like she's a regular detective. That makes is seem like Karadec/the police can't do their jobs without her.

They tried to pass it off as a "major case" squad. Yet some of their cases, as with all the TV major case squad types were not stone cold who "dunnits", to paraphrase the Baltimore based shows, and left the viewer asking why this special unit got the case in the first place.

36 minutes ago, iMonrey said:

{sigh} I want to like this show, I really do, but the writing just isn't quite there. It seems like the best episodes were the ones based on the French version, and once they exhausted the adaptable material and started writing original stories they faltered because they just aren't as good as the French writers were.

I wouldn't say on the abilities, but rather the production schdules American TV demands. Even with the newer have a season standard. Which come at the time that used to be where the cancel or finish off the season decision was made.

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shapeshifter

shapeshifter

2 hours ago, AnimeMania said:

I think Tom is uncover FBI and came snooping around (cleaning staff would be an excellent cover) when the police started looking into Roman and left for another case when he didn't turn up much. Tom reached out again when the police started digging into the murdered FBI lady.

This makes sense. It explains Tom's combination of shifty/nice guy persona, and makes it easy to write him out of the show after he's fulfilled the likely plot purpose of being in the way of Karadec+Morgan.

 

3 hours ago, Chicago Redshirt said:

Giving Morgan a worthy adversary, a Moriarty, a Hannibal, a Red John kicks things up a notch.

But those worthy adversaries are the killjoys of my favorite TV shows.

2 hours ago, AnimeMania said:

I hope they catch the guy as soon as the show comes back because long term villains suck all the fun and light heartedness out of a TV Series.

Ditto.

2 hours ago, chaifan said:

I hope they end the cliffhanger in the first episode or two of Season 2, and catch/kill this guy.  I don't want a Big Bad arc going over the whole season.  That's one thing I like about this show - that every episode is pretty much stand alone.  New case every week.  However, if DG is Big Bad, I can't believe he's in it for 1-2 episodes, so that makes me believe this will be a long arc.  ugh.

That makes 3 of us.

 

1 hour ago, Raja said:

My first thought was didn't they stop teaching mouth to mouth

Same.

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NeenerNeener

NeenerNeener

9 hours ago, sweetandsour said:

I assume Roman ran to keep his family safe/out of whatever he had gotten into, after Agent Flynn was murdered.  I don't think he killed her.  Or maybe this is too straightforward and they will write something more ambiguous on Roman's part.

Possibilities for Roman:

He's in witness protection

He's in hiding without witness protection, probably because he's a bad guy

He's in a coma in some hospital or nursing home

He's an undercover cop who finished his assignment and went home to his family

Any other possibilities? 

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BMGepinniw

BMGepinniw

16 hours ago, ams1001 said:

How are they supposed to hear a response when they're making so much noise?

How does she know how much insulin to give him?

 

 

15 hours ago, possibilities said:

I think Gio was asking a lot of her to expect her to meet him alone in non-public places, but I also hated Karadec trying to turn her into a damsel and make himself a hero,which was obvious would backfire.

It was stupid to say Daphne would protect him, and then leave Oz without protection. 

It definitely was asking a lot of Morgan to meet Gio in non-public places; however, he too was risking himself.  He had already proven himself to a degree, but that could be his plan to lull her into a false sense of quasi-security.  I'm glad Karadec didn't ruin the whole operation by going in Morgan's place and steamrolling Gio.  

I agree that Oz shouldn't have been left alone until Gameplayer (? Peck) is caught.  No one from the support group is safe until then.  I volunteer to stay with Oz.... ;-)

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shura

shura

4 hours ago, chaifan said:

My big question is whether Big Bad Guy knew Morgan was working with the police and these games were specifically for her to solve, or if all these victims got really lucky that Morgan is on the team.  Because otherwise, they'd all be dead, they may have never even been found.  Is he now focusing on Morgan (the card deck) because he learned of her existence, or was she part of the game all along?

I suspect they are going to reveal that he knew Morgan and she was his target from the beginning.  Otherwise we have this supervillain who decided to assume another person’s identity (to the point of even mimicking his appearance), infiltrate a grief support group and plan out all these eye-rollingly elaborate quests that nobody could be reasonably expected to solve for no other reason than just being crazy?  I hope he had better motivation than that, that he wanted to entertain himself by a battle of wits, for example, and he needed someone who could appreciate or even understand all these things he planned so elaborately.  Morgan is really the only person who would make it entertaining for him.

Also, it kind of looks like the guy picked Oz’s support group specifically because Oz was in it.  Oz said he assigned a cop to every member of the support group for protection and Daphne would be the one watching his back.  And lo and behold, Oz is attacked when Daphne is not guarding him (although, how her guarding him like that would even work, I don’t know).  Did our villain watch everybody and just found a member who was not protected or did he watch just Oz and found the time when he was not protected?  It would be easier to do the latter, wouldn’t it?

I have to say though, I am not crazy about the idea of this show having this supervillain who knows everything everyone does and who has the means to set up everything he wants.  That’s just too much, too cartoonish.

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BMGepinniw

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14 hours ago, agathapenny said:

Interesting that they briefly reintroduced Tom, here, just as we're closing in on more info on Roman. I think he definitely has to tie into that story in some way.

Love Daphne and Oz. I was actually really worried there for a moment they were going kill Oz, and I'm so glad they didn't. We learned a bit more about him, and the actor did great work in that post-drowning scene with Morgan when he was talking about his dad. Everyone on this show is just so good.

I hadn't considered a possible connection with Roman's disappearance, but that is indeed an interesting hypothesis!  Toms flying under the radar, but if he's tied in to Roman, what better way to keep apprised of that situation than by dating Morgan?  

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tennisgurl

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Congratulations Morgan, you now have your own Moriarty, you've officially made it as a brilliant detective! Especially if her Moriarty is as hot as David Giutoli, who I am thrilled to see here, reunited with his buddy James Rodey as the director! That was certainly an exciting season finale, I cant wait for that cliffhanger to be resolved. This was a great episode, lots of excitement but with some funny and sweet moments to, and I am really interested to see what this budget Jigsaw does next. 

Poor Oz, I was really worried there for a minute there, he's the kind of likable supporting character who a show might actually kill off in a season finale, but I am super happy that he's alright. I liked getting more of his life outside of work and he and Daphne continue to have a great dynamic. It seems like they are getting closer to Morgan/Karadec as a real ship, but Oz and Daphne are my favorite possible couple. 

I am happy for Morgan and Karadec to stay platonic friends/partners, but him gasping when he saw her in a dress seems to be taking us in a romantic direction. Morgan has a thing going with Tom but he's out of town and Morgan and Ludo are platonic besties/co-parents while Karadec is clearly not nailing it when it comes to romance, so I would not be surprised if they do there. 

Everyone looked great at the party, Morgan's dress was a nice mix of her usual wild colors and something more fancy. 

We are making real progress on the Roman case, which I love to see. I was pretty sure that he was dead before this, but now I am thinking either official witness protection or he was nearly murdered that night he went out to get diapers and he ran away to keep his family safe. 

Morgan's imaginary scenarios about Ava driving, including her being on the run from the cops, were hilarious. 

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3 hours ago, NeenerNeener said:

Possibilities for Roman:

He's in witness protection

He's in hiding without witness protection, probably because he's a bad guy

He's in a coma in some hospital or nursing home

He's an undercover cop who finished his assignment and went home to his family

Any other possibilities? 

I've watched the OG French version, which I will just say without spoiling is mainly something different, but sort of like a couple of these too.

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I did a partial re-watch, mostly because I just can't figure out how Morgan was able to piece everything together at the end.  And I'm still a bit confused on that.  But, what I did notice was that in her conversation with Tom, about him coming to the gala, he very much appeared to be in a hospital setting, in nurse's scrubs, even with a stethoscope around his neck.  So while I really liked the theory above that he is undercover FBI, unless his current undercover assignment is in a hospital, I think Tom really is a nurse.  Drat.  That would have been a fun twist.

31 minutes ago, Chaser said:

I swear all the running around in LA they did in 2 HOURS took me out. LMAO

Yep.  I was actually keeping track of the time on my re-watch, and there is absolutely no way they got to the first guy in 2 hours.   Oz & Daphne got to his apartment and back to the station, Morgan (and only Morgan) did a jigsaw puzzle, Morgan & Karadec drove to some hilly park, strolled casually up a hill, solved 2 more puzzles, found the storage facility, then drove down to the storage facility and found the right locker.  2 hours my ass.

 

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iMonrey

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8 hours ago, Raja said:

I wouldn't say on the abilities, but rather the production schedules American TV demands.

That's fair enough. But there have been other similar "whodunnit" and "case of the week" shows that were much more tightly written, and didn't have quite as many plot holes. And they only had 13 episodes - it's not like they had to crank out 22 of them. I'm not unwilling to do a little hand-waving if I like a show well enough, but this one is kind of testing my limits. 

Bottom line, I'm rooting for it to get better.

6 hours ago, BMGepinniw said:

I agree that Oz shouldn't have been left alone until Gameplayer (? Peck) is caught.  No one from the support group is safe until then.  I volunteer to stay with Oz.... ;-)

Fans of the actor should check out the 2 episodes of Ghost he appeared in. As a stripper. 😉

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Yeah No

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20 hours ago, Irlandesa said:

Like I said, I personally don't ship them but they're doing all the coupley tropes like being mistaken for a couple, long nights working together and the "wow you look beautiful" moment.  Yes, she has another boyfriend but they already conveniently shipped him off to a different city.

I'm with you on this and have said so previously. It's not quite conscious between them yet. It's still at that stage where feelings are shoved under the rug. But I am sure they will eventually come out little by little and either something will happen between them or it won't. But that's a typical TV show trope too, the "will they or won't they" setup. They could string us along for years with that one, making them more flirtatious as the episodes progress, driving the audience nuts, lol. Been there and done that many times before...

21 hours ago, agathapenny said:

Definitely not Roman. Just the crazy game player they're chasing.

No, definitely not Roman. Wouldn't he resemble his daughter a little more?

16 hours ago, sweetandsour said:

I assume Roman ran to keep his family safe/out of whatever he had gotten into, after Agent Flynn was murdered.  I don't think he killed her.  Or maybe this is too straightforward and they will write something more ambiguous on Roman's part.

I have a theory about that. Scroll down.

13 hours ago, Chicago Redshirt said:

I suspect the show to want Karadec and Morgan to be endgame, and having Karadec smitten with Morgan dolled up is a step toward that. 

Yes, the sexual tension between them was very restrained. I have to hand it to them. All businesslike on the surface but there were little giveaways in spite of themselves. I liked her dress a lot - I thought it was actually less provocative than her usual wardrobe.

7 hours ago, NeenerNeener said:

Possibilities for Roman:

He's in witness protection

He's in hiding without witness protection, probably because he's a bad guy

He's in a coma in some hospital or nursing home

He's an undercover cop who finished his assignment and went home to his family

Any other possibilities? 

Yes - I think perhaps Roman went in hiding to avoid game guy who was after him years ago. Now that game guy is feeling in the wind that Morgan, etc. are closing in on Roman he is targeting them to throw them off the scent.

I also like the theory that Tom is FBI better than him being a bad guy, although I am still a little suspicious of him.

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I thought Tom got the invitation to the gala because Morgan sent it to him. Didn't they say that ? If so, I don't think it implies he "resurfaced" so much as that she called for him.

I have no theories about deeper meanings or where any of the plots are going, though. I see all the usual TV tropes as possible, but am hoping the show decides not to be that formulaic/predictable, and thus boring. However, like I said, I don't particularly expect it of them. I'm just staying neutral on predictions.

I would love to see Karadec and his ex-partner get together, but I don['t expect that, either.

I do kind of want Roman to be a good guy, because if he's a bad guy, that makes Morgan's judgement bad, and I like her being smarter than that. Ditto re Tom. I hate it when a show sets up a female character only to tear her down as a dummy wrt romance.

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