S33.E10: Finale Night

[alexa]

I never really felt much about any of Chandler's dances throughout the season.  She was very good, but a connection was lacking for me.  

I always felt that Joey and Jenna brought a great energy throughout, and I am happy with the ending.  

Danny-- I don't think Barbie was a fitting freestyle.  It felt too much like they were copying something versus doing something original.  

[Desperado]

1 hour ago, LennieBriscoe said:

Who said this?

Ilona, about Alan.

[Lindsay Loo Hoo]

Joey and Jenna’s freestyle was the worst freestyle I’ve seen since Jonathan and Marie osmonds doll dance. That is all. 

[Quickbeam]

16 minutes ago, Lindsay Loo Hoo said:

Joey and Jenna’s freestyle was the worst freestyle I’ve seen since Jonathan and Marie osmonds doll dance. That is all. 

I agree, it was stupid and disjointed. I couldn’t figure out why Jenna didn’t make more  out of Joey’s fluidity. 

[twilightzone]

12 hours ago, nickp1991 said:

how do we get carrie ann replaced next season?

Chandler and Brandon should be so proud of themselves They didn't win the trophy but they won America's heart

That would be Ilona.  Looking at the math - she had the 2nd lowest judges score of the night.  So she was propelled into 2nd place with the fan votes.  

Conversely, Chandler is dependent on the judge's score and likely was saved last week with a Final 5 finale when she didn't have a perfect score.

Edited November 27 by twilightzone

[TVbitch]

The only dances that woke me up for a moment in the whole finale were Derek and Mark and the first 30 seconds of Ilona's. Loved her humor and POW! moment but it deflated a bit after that. Joey could have had a great freestyle if Jenna had focused on his charm and ability instead of a gimmick. Something like Mark did with Charli a couple seasons ago. Chandler did a great job, but I don't think any of the dancer's free styles were their season highlight. 

Danny and Steven were not on tier with the others, so I thought the final three were right. Ilona had the most growth. Joey coud dance and was the most engaging. Chandler was the best technically. It could have gone any which way.  

Loved Derek rolling his chair into frame behind CAI and mouthing  ..."What is happening?!?!" Indeed. 🤣

[boyznkatz]

All those freestyles were cringey except Chandler's. That was amazing! Well done, Brandon. I can't believe that didn't win.

I like Joey, but that was the worst freestyle ever. WTF Jenna?

Did Danny and Stephen dance at all? Stephen did gymnastics and Danny just stood there. Ilona is pretty in her own way, but that costume wasn't flattering. At least she did attempt to dance.

[MamaMax]

15 hours ago, BuckeyeLou said:

I can not believe the show invited her back!  I did not think it was 'cute" seeing her dance :(

I cant believe they invited her in the first place when her claim to fame is having  antisocial personality disorder.  

 

I am so glad Chandler didn't win, I hate when they put ringers in the competition. 

I really wanted Ilona to win but mainly because I just love her,  I know quite a few people (including myself) who came back to the show just for her (well, and pommel horse guy LOL). I don't care AT ALL about the Bachelor/bachelorettes  Mactors, Real Housewives, Disney teens. And please no more criminals 

[dancingdreamer]

15 hours ago, Annber03 said:

That was an excellent freestyle, perfectly highlighted Stephen's talents. And everyone getting all emotional, awwww.

Loved the choice of song, too. 

I watched  him again, and it had a little  of everything. It was the best freestyle imho, I'll  miss seeing him every  week. 

[Chit Chat]

10 hours ago, Andiethewestie said:

I was hoping the Gen z audience could see through the bs but  turns out they are just as terrible as the older demographic.

Speaking as one of the "older demographic" folks, I only watched this season because I was interested in seeing Stephen's journey on the show, and that's just because I knew who he was from the Olympics.

I pretty much gave up on this show years ago!  I fast-forwarded everything but his & Rylee's performances.  I don't have the patience to watch the whole show!  It had nothing to do with skin color.  It had to do with who I was familiar with.  I have no clue who any of those other contestants were.  Perhaps other people did the same. 

I hate being lumped into a category of 'Old = x, y or z.'   However, I don't condone hateful comments about any of the dancers or stars.  I hate it if that was their experience.  

 

[Lindsay Loo Hoo]

I’m still trying to figure out what the hell jenna was thinking with that monstrosity. Joey has proven he can dance. That freestyle could have been amazing if she had utilized his strengths. It’s almost like she just threw a basic routine together at last minute. He definitely could have kept up and didn’t need that watered down choreo. She pisses me off. Always has, always will. 

[Andiethewestie]

9 hours ago, boyznkatz said:

All those freestyles were cringey except Chandler's. That was amazing! Well done, Brandon. I can't believe that didn't win.

I was really impressed with Brandon all season. He taught Chandler proper technique and she ran with it. That was so cool for him to finally see his work come to fruition. Brandon doesn't take shortcuts and that's why it's tougher for his work to shine. a muse like Chandler is a gift for any pro.

That Freestyle was a whole lot of everything and so important for dance. I have a gut feeling that even though the show allowed this, they weren't totally on board. It was not officially announced on line the way the first Bachelor in the finals was announced.

So, I don't think the show was so keen for Brandon and Britt (who is really active in dance diversity ) to have a platform to push for more representation  in the pros. It's actually a pretty dismal record and Brandon drawing attention to the issue may have made production a little anxious.Would it be out of the realm for the show to encourage faux outrage at dance experience? It seemed like overkill this season when we know more than half the winners come to this competition prepared with a few or a lot of dance lessons prior to meeting their pro.

 

 

[Andiethewestie]

2 hours ago, Chit Chat said:

However, I don't condone hateful comments about any of the dancers or stars.  I hate it if that was their experience.  

When you see it you can't unsee it. It was very bad this season.  Charity got death threats last season, not sure if it got to that level this season, but Chandler had to speak out against the personal attacks on line.

1 hour ago, Lindsay Loo Hoo said:

I’m still trying to figure out what the hell jenna was thinking with that monstrosity

It's the Chmerkovskiy family trait. Bad Freestyles unless Val summons Mandy  Moore 

[Chit Chat]

4 minutes ago, Andiethewestie said:

When you see it you can't unsee it. It was very bad this season.  Charity got death threats last season, not sure if it got to that level this season, but Chandler had to speak out against the personal attacks on line.

That's terrible.  I didn't follow any news about the show outside of this forum, so I didn't know there was an issue.  

I hadn't seen the show since they made all of the changes to the hosts and judges.  I miss Erin & Tom as hosts.  

[ljenkins782]

11 hours ago, Quickbeam said:

I agree, it was stupid and disjointed. I couldn’t figure out why Jenna didn’t make more  out of Joey’s fluidity. 

I wanted to like it because I love tennis, but I agree that it didn't work altogether. I think they could have done the outfits, the background, and maybe a little intro bit with the racquets and then segue into the dance itself. Trying to make it a theme interwoven throughout was a misfire.

Although it was massively bloated, I still enjoyed the finale overall (mostly because I watched on Hulu with no ads. For those keeping track at home, the "3-hour" finale clocked in at 2 hrs, 7 mins without ad breaks.)

The beginning was quite a slog and as always, I knew that all that stretching in the beginning was going to result in rushing during the actual show bits like judging and announcing of the winners. For whatever reason, they seem to be more comfortable running out of time than having potential dead air (which could easily, easily be filled with celebrations and ad libbing from the hosts, but they don't seem inclined to go that route.

 But I really enjoyed Chandler and Joey's redemption dances and liked Stephen and Ilona's freestyles a lot. I liked the concept of Brandon's a lot, but felt like the proximity of all the people on the stage was distracting, like they were dancing in such a tight knot that it didn't feature Chandler and Brandon enough. Joey's was disappointing and Danny and Whitney's really didn't work for me. 

The only notable piece of Danny and Witney's dance was how much Danny looks like Ryan Gosling in that outfit and that he is in unbelievable shape, I don't know how I never noticed his abs before. 

Oh wait, the other notable part was how inappropriate Bruno was in his judging. Like, inches from actually propositioning a contestant during the judging portion, Danny was practically in a dead run backpedaling away from him. And the most personality I've seen from Danny this entire season was that segment with Julianne on the bed. It was like you could see the anxiety melt off him as he realized he'd danced his last routine and he visibly relaxed. His dancing was not great, but he certainly took it seriously (sometimes too seriously) and worked hard.

[Andiethewestie]

9 minutes ago, Chit Chat said:

terrible.  I didn't follow any news about the show outside of this forum, so I didn't know there was an issue.  

Yeah I had no idea about Charity because the show tends to bury the bad stuff, but she spoke about to Cheryl Burke in her podcast and there was an article in Variety last year. People mag picked it up  https://people.com/charity-lawson-went-through-hell-and-back-with-mental-health-dancing-with-the-stars-8685710  it's a similar toxic environment run by some wooden wz

 

[FilmTVGeek80]

This season started out with so much promise - and seeing the other eliminated dancers, I don't wish any of them had been in the finale - but this season ended the way it went all along - underwhelming. I'm not sure if there's a single dance from this season that I'll remember. The only person I rooted for was Stephen. And I stress the word "person." I knew he wasn't the best dancer, so I was OK with him not winning, but I still loved him. Derek's best comment was about the two being 'two dancing anti-depressants.' I didn't root for Joey, but I'm sort of okay with his win. At least he's not Bobby Bones and can dance. Pretty early on, I was reasonably confident he would win. Unfortunately, The Bachelor Nation is a solid voting block. I think if Jenn had competed in a season without another member of that franchise, she might have gone farther. The best thing I'll say about Joey is that at least he wasn't a ringer and the first Bachelor to win. I wish they would stop picking people from that show (and Disney teens), but I know it will never happen because of the corporate synergy. 

I figured the only actual judging of the night would be in the first round. I thought the freestyles would be a sea of tens. I was really glad that Carrie-Ann, at least, wasn't just handing out tens willy-nilly. I've never agreed with her more than when she called Joey's freestyle "underwhelming." That was the perfect word for it. It wasn't the worst ever, but it wasn't great. It's so dull and nothing extraordinary. The only interesting part was the glow-in-the-dark rackets, which were only a very short portion of the dance. Despite Derek and Bruno going with the ten program, you could tell by their reactions that none of the freestyles moved them as much as previous ones. None of them reacted with the enthusiasm they did to Jason Mraz's freestyle last season. And, for once, I don't think any judges declared this the best finale EVER. 

My favorite dances, by far, were Derek and Mark's AT and Stephen and Rylee's freestyle. 

I'm not sure why people were surprised at the format. It's the same as last season. They did a recap before they got to the actual competition. And has there ever been a season where they didn't let us know exactly where each person placed? I wasn't surprised by any of the final rankings. With how things went tonight, it was easy to see Danny coming in last. I wasn't sure if Chandler would be fourth or third. I knew she probably wasn't pulling in the votes. I still feel like I know nothing about her personality. Of all the pairings discussing their friendship, I didn't buy any real bond between Chandler and Brandon.

I hope with Derek and Mark's dance, they might be open to another same-sex pairing. JoJo and Jenna shouldn't be the only one (I know, technically, Gleb and Shangela were a same sex pairing, but Shangela did the whole season as his drag persona.)

[Soapy Goddess]

17 minutes ago, FilmTVGeek80 said:

I know, technically, Gleb and Shangela were a same sex pairing, but Shangela did the whole season as his drag persona.

Maybe, but we ALL saw the rehearsals where he was not in drag. Maybe even a few talking heads too.

[FilmTVGeek80]

20 hours ago, Andiethewestie said:

On a night of the only team getting perfect scores,   3rd is not only a disappointment that no white team with perfect scores would ever be placed, even with the dreaded dance experience, it's a "you better know your place in the white world Chandler and Brandon" kind of letdown. Not unexpected of course. But oh so tiresome.

She got a perfect score for the night, but with the previous week's scores factored in, she didn't end the night with a perfect score. Chandler's friend Milo Manheim had an actual perfect score and lost to Bobby freaking Bones. Chandler was only one point ahead of Joey and two or three ahead of Ilona. Her coming in third was not some statistical improbability. She didn't have enough fans. It's as simple as that. This is a show that is not just about dance. It's about who people like personally, too. Just because the Black couple lost doesn't make it racist or some grand conspiracy. A lot of people didn't like her. She was boring. Sorry, you can't deal with people feeling that way.

4 minutes ago, Soapy Goddess said:

Maybe, but we ALL saw the rehearsals where he was not in drag. Maybe even a few talking heads too.

Not everyone watches the rehearsal packages. I'm hoping to see two men compete the same way Mark and Derek and JoJo and Jenna did.

[Soapy Goddess]

21 minutes ago, FilmTVGeek80 said:

Not everyone watches the rehearsal packages.

So you're missing half of the show?

[boyznkatz]

They don't have the balls to have two men on the show. Everyone knows Mark and Derek are straight and their "same sex dance" was just queerbaiting. If they actually paired a gay man with another man, I think Gleb (as much as I can't stand him) would be the only male pro up to the task.

[tv echo]

I didn't realize until I read it in EW and saw it mentioned on GMA that those were Stephen Nedoroscik's actual Olympics gymnastics teammates who were performing on the dance floor with him during his freestyle routine (the guys in red doing the flips at the beginning and then doing the pommel horse with him). Duh. That freestyle was a great blend of dance and gymnastics and very entertaining. I've been impressed with Rylee's choreography this season.

I would have been fine with any of the top five winning this season, although I tend to root for someone who never wins - the star who starts off the season as a terrible dancer and ends up the season as a pretty good dancer through lots of hard work, humility, joy and determination (prime example is Alyson Hannigan last season).

Edited November 28 by tv echo

[LennieBriscoe]

On 11/27/2024 at 8:04 AM, Andiethewestie said:

Overall this was a terrible show and I wished I never invested the time.
 

The Mango was a bust. The choreography wasn't very good, no Argentine would ever stand alone and dance in frame that's such a ballroom thing and the ending was more Paso. So if Derek wanted to be edgy he needs to go study the Gauchos instead of appropriating the culture.  A big miss 
 

On finale night the guy who never corrected his terrible footwork mistakes all season long does two gawd awful dances and walks away the winner. Good going Joey way to keep the white male privilege going for the Bachelor thirsty crowd.
 

I really can't stand this show anymore. I took a break for a few seasons and hoped for the best when I started to watch again. I was hoping the Gen z audience could see through the bs but  turns out they are just as terrible as the older demographic. Well good for them they have made sure that any black female who has any dance training will be hounded. Seems they are would rather be  entertained by mediocrity.
 

But the best is the on line racism as soon as Chandler and Brandon announced their all black freestyle. That's one for the history books.  So of course combine that with Carrie Ann robbing this team of at least two other  perfect scores this season there was no way this team could surpass the hate onslaught as  it was a weekly take down

On a night of the only team getting perfect scores,   3rd is not only a disappointment that no white team with perfect scores would ever be placed, even with the dreaded dance experience, it's a "you better know your place in the white world Chandler and Brandon" kind of letdown. Not unexpected of course. But oh so tiresome.
 

Brandon choreographed one of the best Jives I've seen on this show.. Before that jive I was numb with boredom, thank heavens for their excellent dancing because even the bumpers were terrible. I also enjoyed the freestyle and its significance to the dance community and the culture. Something meaningful for once!

I was not entertained by Stephen revisiting the pommel horse yet again in a gym freestyle, a type  of routine that was already imagined in Season 15 with gym team mates, nor did I care about  a bunch of tennis rackets lighting up, or  a stiff Ken or a towering Ilona with a bunch of tiny dancers.

So in the wake of one of the worst finals ever,  I'm taking a break from this  shitshow that I used to love.

There is far too much  hate that is reflected in the seemingly innocuous comments I read. I hurt for Chandler and Brandon they get this stuff on the daily but it still must sting more than a little

 

 

 

 

Uhhhhh...."White" Stephen and Rylee got a perfect 30 for their Freestyle, and ended up in 4th (technically you're correct: it's not 3rd).

One man's "not entertained by" is another man's "highly entertained by."

And one man's "one for the history books" might be, I say might, another man's "not entertained by."

Finally, dancing has never been considered a part of "appropriating" another "culture." Should Argentinians be the only ones "allowed" to perform the AT? Viennese the VW? Spaniards the Paso Doble? Such a concept would pretty much limit ALL DWTS competitors, not to put too fine a point on it. 

So, you were saying? 

 

Edited November 28 by LennieBriscoe

[realdancemom]

Although, I've been rooting for Chandler and Brandon all season, I didn't expect them to win. I'm just happy that they made it to the finale. Third place isn't bad. Chandler's redemption jive truly showed how she's miles ahead of everyone when it comes to technique. She's a good performer too but so are other finalists. Chandler really works on the details. Her legs are sharp with great retraction. She points her feet. Joey's feet make me cringe. Her legs were straight when she went through Brandon's legs and she has nice lines and extension.  It was weird that Carrie Ann did her summary especially since the VW was mentioned. 

My favorite freestyles were Chandler's and Stephen's. So congrats on the first time finale pros for their choreography. Ilona's is next because of her great personality. Witney did about as well as she could with Danny. There was that one big throw and nice lifts.  He still was a little off during one dance sequence and there wasn't that much dancing. Joey's was something. When there was overnight voting, the best freestyle usually won. I'm not sure if Joey would have still won in that case. Maybe, Ilona or someone else would have. Joey had a solid season though so he's a good winner. 

[Adeejay]

Chandler wuz robbed!!

[realdancemom]

More comments - I thought it was really cute how Riley would nod right before big moments in their freestyle. It was like reassuring Stephen that he got this. 

I just read the comments on the dwts fb page. There are a lot of comments on how Chandler and Brandon made it all about race. They can't even pay tribute to great black dancers before them like the Nicholas brothers. 

[peachmangosteen]

8 hours ago, tv echo said:

I didn't realize until I read it in EW and saw it mentioned on GMA that those were Stephen Nedoroscik's actual Olympics gymnastics teammates who were performing on the dance floor with him during his freestyle routine (the guys in red doing the flips at the beginning and then doing the pommel horse with him). Duh.

I don't believe any of them made the Olympics team.

[Andiethewestie]

14 hours ago, boyznkatz said:

They don't have the balls to have two men on the show. Everyone knows Mark and Derek are straight and their "same sex dance" was just queerbaiting. If they actually paired a gay man with another man, I think Gleb (as much as I can't stand him) would be the only male pro up to the task.

Thank you. I hated that stupid  AT not only was it just cultural appropriation it was danced with improper technique. 

[iMonrey]

17 hours ago, peachmangosteen said:

I don't believe any of them made the Olympics team.

No, I did not recognize any of them. 

[Andiethewestie]

2 hours ago, iMonrey said:

No, I did not recognize any of them. 

Just an illusion, just like that gym show.

[realdancemom]

2 hours ago, iMonrey said:

No, I did not recognize any of them. 

They were his Stanford gymnastics team mates. I saw a fb post from Stanford with their names listed. 

[Andiethewestie]

1 hour ago, realdancemom said:

They were his Stanford gymnastics team mates. I saw a fb post from Stanford with their names listed. 

Even better, keep that illusion going. At least when Shawn Johnson competed in Season 15 her overblown freestyle included Olympians

[coffeebean]

On 11/26/2024 at 9:47 PM, Annber03 said:

Daaaaaaaaaaaaaaaamn, that was super cool. Mark and Derek really are great together. 

(Hoping this means we can eventually get some same-sex dance partners on this show now?)

 

They have done it before. Jo Jo Siwa and Jenna Johnson.

[realdancemom]

11 minutes ago, LennieBriscoe said:

Stephen had no Stanford teammates. 

He is a Penn State alumnus. 

 

Oops. I don't know how to link a FB post. This is what their post says. It doesn't state that Stephen is from Stanford. That was my assumption. 

Stanford FB post:

Card on the big screen!

Jeremy Bischoff, Brandon Nguyen, and alum Riley Loos made an appearance in tonight’s DWTS finale alongside fellow gymnast Stephen Nedoroscik!

Edited November 29 by realdancemom

[coffeebean]

On 11/27/2024 at 6:30 AM, thesupremediva1 said:

No excuse for giving Joey and Jenna 10 seconds of reaction time with 3 hours of filler. Do better, ABC.

Did Joey and Jenna get lifted up like previous winners have enjoyed? I don't remember that.

[coffeebean]

On 11/27/2024 at 12:11 PM, boyznkatz said:

 Ilona is pretty in her own way, but that costume wasn't flattering. At least she did attempt to dance.

I think Ilona looks great at the end of the season, especially in her freestyle costume. She looks like she lost inches. How does an athlete lose weight dancing? I would think an athlete is already at their peak.

[Meowwww]

On 11/26/2024 at 10:19 PM, nickp1991 said:

how do we get carrie ann replaced next season?

Chandler and Brandon should be so proud of themselves They didn't win the trophy but they won America's heart

I’m American and they didn’t win my heart.   Ilona did.   This show to me is about a non-dancer’s journey to finding themselves, not someone who has had years of dance who doesn’t tug the heartstrings at all.  
 

 

Edited November 30 by Meowwww

[SunnieDays]

I was rooting for Ilona because of her development throughout the show. To me,that is the spirit of the show. She also connected with the public and obviously had a strong following. That being said, Joey had a very good run and improved as well. Even though he wasn't my choice, nor did he get my votes, I can't complain about the outcome. 

[realdancemom]

3 hours ago, coffeebean said:

Did Joey and Jenna get lifted up like previous winners have enjoyed? I don't remember that.

I remember that Val lifted up Jenna which makes sense. I'm pretty sure that Joey was lifted too. I don't remember by who though.

[crowceilidh]

I think we really couldn't see who had Joey up on the shoulders.

I thought Ilona looked fabulous in that costume and I admit to having been dubious about many of the costumers' choices for her this season.

[Andiethewestie]

7 hours ago, SunnieDays said:

I was rooting for Ilona because of her development throughout the show

Okay if basic level is what you enjoy then.   you wee also rooting for Allyson last season. She had a boatload of fans but didn't get past 5th. In hindsight compared to the other finalists she never scored above a nine even in the finals. So scoring her lower ensured that she didnt get past the ginormous advantage of a huge fanbase. I think Ilona had a very similar trajectory this season and her dancing was the very basic novice level that Allyson did. What is interesting is that basic dancing is now 2nd place because why? Allyson was just as engaging and if we're talking impressive body dress sizes she lost a ton of weight. Either Allyson should have got at least to 2nd place or she was scored appropriately i to the standard. She met it, but didn't exceed it. 

As I said earlier I'm not impressed by celebrity hires who can barely  squeeze out minimal basic dance steps. I want to see dancing that can give it more Welly and be able to actually follow the lead  and improvise where necessary  and finesse the movement beyond basic. 
 

For me the overall level of dancing for 4 out of the 5 was basic. The winner Joey would be hard pressed to make top 5 in any other season. 
 

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[iMonrey]

I thought Stephen had the best freestyle. The music choice was perfect for that number, it was not only impressive but even kind of moving. 

I thought all the other freestyles were too gimmicky. And I realize Stephen's was also gimmicky but it just worked better because it didn't seem so hackneyed. Danny's freestyle was dumb, even though he does bear an uncanny resemblance to Ryan Gosling. Everyone was trying to make a "statement" about themselves but I didn't understand what the hell Barbie meant to him. 

I didn't get why tennis rackets were part of Joey's freestyle, and Ilona's freestyle was just too "in your face." Chandler's was nice but all of her dances just look like generic pro dances and this was no different. 

The only other dance I liked was Derek and Mark's Argentine Tango. So that's three hours and only two dances I liked.

[Andiethewestie]

I gotta love Cheryl Burke. Her recap and scores accurately reflected what I  thought of the Finals 

Stephen (9…10)

Ilona (9…9)

Danny (8…7)

Joey (9…8)

Chandler (10…10)

 

if these scores were in the mix we may have had a very different outcome. Fanbase would not have been such an overwhelming factor because all the 10's effectively threw everything to the vote.

 

[Andiethewestie]

Moving forward I think it's best that there is no judges scoring and just open up the show to viewer votes. The judges are falling all over themselves trying to follow what the large fanbases want anyway so it really doesn't make any sense  especially when ballroom and Latin are becoming unrecognizable due to rules relaxed or non- existent for some whilst being applied with vigor for others  and so those trying are just getting inflated scores and not learning anything. Then when good dancers are cut loose because the public hates them it's a cleaner break instead of this constant mind fuck that you could go home at any minute.because you didn't understand that just because you're good doesn't mean you can hang with the popular kids. 

[Soapy Goddess]

17 minutes ago, Andiethewestie said:

Moving forward I think it's best that there is no judges scoring and just open up the show to viewer votes.

IMO, that's a terrible idea. Why? Because there will always be a group of pranksters who think it's fun to "vote for the worst". They did this with Bobby Bones, and as a result, people still hate that season. Plus, it's really not fair to all the Pros who work hard to train/teach their partners. It also denies both the Pros and their partners of the advanced salary.

[Fostersmom]

On 11/29/2024 at 6:01 PM, coffeebean said:

I think Ilona looks great at the end of the season, especially in her freestyle costume. She looks like she lost inches. How does an athlete lose weight dancing? I would think an athlete is already at their peak.

Different muscles being used in different ways. I don't know if she lost inches, but I'd been thinking from about the second half of the season on, her breasts were getting bigger. Which would make sense if instead of her normal rugby workouts where she might have been doing a lot of work on her pecs, to the dancing where she might have not have been focusing so much on her regular workouts and those muscles were becoming less worked, and therefore softer. She stiff arms a lot of her rugby opponents, needs to keep those muscles strong, not needed quite so much dancing. 

[ljenkins782]

14 hours ago, Andiethewestie said:

Moving forward I think it's best that there is no judges scoring and just open up the show to viewer votes. The judges are falling all over themselves trying to follow what the large fanbases want anyway so it really doesn't make any sense  especially when ballroom and Latin are becoming unrecognizable due to rules relaxed or non- existent for some whilst being applied with vigor for others  and so those trying are just getting inflated scores and not learning anything. Then when good dancers are cut loose because the public hates them it's a cleaner break instead of this constant mind fuck that you could go home at any minute.because you didn't understand that just because you're good doesn't mean you can hang with the popular kids. 

It makes sense that the show would want the most popular contestants to stay, they want people to keep watching the show. And the contestants do the show for the exposure and tv time, I don't think any of them come on the show purely to learn dance or get tips from the judges. All things considered, being popular with viewers is more helpful for a performer's career than a mirror ball trophy or positive feedback from the judges.

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IMO, that's a terrible idea. Why? Because there will always be a group of pranksters who think it's fun to "vote for the worst". They did this with Bobby Bones, and as a result, people still hate that season. Plus, it's really not fair to all the Pros who work hard to train/teach their partners. It also denies both the Pros and their partners of the advanced salary.

I don't think Bobby Bones winning was a concerted vote for the worst scenario, he just had an extremely large platform with his radio show and was able to mobilize voters that way. If anything, that season proves that the judges scoring doesn't really matter, it can be overcome with a large enough voting bloc.

And the show doesn't go out of its way to counterbalance the voting like they did back in the day when they started handing out 2s to Master P to ensure he got the boot. 

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16 hours ago, Soapy Goddess said:

IMO, that's a terrible idea. Why? Because there will always be a group of pranksters who think it's fun to "vote for the worst". They did this with Bobby Bones, and as a result, people still hate that season

Why because somebody acceptable to a looney tunes Bachelor fanbase of crazy people won?  I assume Bobby Bones fans were just as crazy for him. Was there a problem with the judging?  ? I didn't watch that season but why people vote shouldn't be the litmus test for fan votes.
 

My point is Cheryl's scores are not a one off. Sharna Maks  and Peta have all remarked on the bias in the judging especially against the one person  who could dance and whilst being in the tank for the poor-dancers no matter how poor got 10's on a week where the best dancer didn't and the judge couldn't explain why. Except we all know why. Or the lift gate controversy when a lift should have been called on Ilona on Soul Train Night and  Danny on their Quickstep Week 7. I would have thought okay at least the judge is being consistent if that happened, but it didn't. If the show scheduled a two hour instead of a 3 hour finale for sure Chandler would have went home and if that were the case Maks felt it was directly because Carrie Ann made an issue of a lift when she hadn't any other time and took a mark off that Chandler's fans couldn't overcome. Time to put the thumb on the scale and make it count against her. That's not judging. 

This insidious drum beat of making her controversial was really trying to take her down. That's not judging 

Rather than making it personal  let the    judges comment all they want, but it's just absurd to attach a score  to the bias. Just let it go, the Fans don't know shit about dance and they don't care, why make good dancers suffer through a charade to the point of being harassed ? 

2 hours ago, ljenkins782 said:

And the show doesn't go out of its way to counterbalance the voting like they did back in the day when they started handing out 2s to Master P to ensure he got the boot

These clowns now would never be as truthful  as Len was. That wasn't the show pushing to get Master P out that  was Len taking his job seriously by judging to a standard. He could not abide poor footwork or inappropriate shoes. the show doesn't care if Master P stayed to the end or not they only cared about ratings and the weekly standoff with Len. Len did his job and Master P didn't and that's why eventually he went home without ever reaching the finals.

The effect is now reversed. Coddle the poor dancer with high scores while telling the good dancer she's not good enough in a week were 10's were handed out like candy. This would not happen if Len were in the Ballroom. 

Gone are the days of the 2 paddle although I'm reminded that Len gave Iman a 4 first week and never scored him high until that Contemporary. Len stayed true to the standard. These judges have fidelity to nothing. That's why the scores should go. 

 

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13 hours ago, Andiethewestie said:

Why because somebody acceptable to a looney tunes Bachelor fanbase of crazy people won?  I assume Bobby Bones fans were just as crazy for him. Was there a problem with the judging?  ? I didn't watch that season but why people vote shouldn't be the litmus test for fan votes.
 

My point is Cheryl's scores are not a one off. Sharna Maks  and Peta have all remarked on the bias in the judging especially against the one person  who could dance and whilst being in the tank for the poor-dancers no matter how poor got 10's on a week where the best dancer didn't and the judge couldn't explain why. Except we all know why. Or the lift gate controversy when a lift should have been called on Ilona on Soul Train Night and  Danny on their Quickstep Week 7. I would have thought okay at least the judge is being consistent if that happened, but it didn't. If the show scheduled a two hour instead of a 3 hour finale for sure Chandler would have went home and if that were the case Maks felt it was directly because Carrie Ann made an issue of a lift when she hadn't any other time and took a mark off that Chandler's fans couldn't overcome. Time to put the thumb on the scale and make it count against her. That's not judging. 

This insidious drum beat of making her controversial was really trying to take her down. That's not judging 

Rather than making it personal  let the    judges comment all they want, but it's just absurd to attach a score  to the bias. Just let it go, the Fans don't know shit about dance and they don't care, why make good dancers suffer through a charade to the point of being harassed ? 

These clowns now would never be as truthful  as Len was. That wasn't the show pushing to get Master P out that  was Len taking his job seriously by judging to a standard. He could not abide poor footwork or inappropriate shoes. the show doesn't care if Master P stayed to the end or not they only cared about ratings and the weekly standoff with Len. Len did his job and Master P didn't and that's why eventually he went home without ever reaching the finals.

The effect is now reversed. Coddle the poor dancer with high scores while telling the good dancer she's not good enough in a week were 10's were handed out like candy. This would not happen if Len were in the Ballroom. 

Gone are the days of the 2 paddle although I'm reminded that Len gave Iman a 4 first week and never scored him high until that Contemporary. Len stayed true to the standard. These judges have fidelity to nothing. That's why the scores should go. 

 

I’ve been watching season 31 now because I didn’t have access to it when it ran. Len’s last season. There were a ton of 5 paddles out which reminded me how much grade inflation we had this season.