Chit-Chat: The Feels

[fastiller]

@Affogato - Carole Cadwalladr has been doing brilliant work for many years now.  Thanks for the link.

[bluegirl147]

3 minutes ago, Affogato said:

https://broligarchy.substack.com/
How to Survive the Broligarchy

Girl power vs Tech bros

By Carole Cadwalladr

TIL about this woman when Jon Stewart interviewed her only the Daily Show. One horrifying thing she said was that the Big Beautiful Bill has a provision where congress will not legislate AI for ten years  if passed we are doomed  

 

Tech bros are a serious problem. They have amassed way too much money and power and with few exceptions they are not good guys.

[Kemper]

1 hour ago, peacheslatour said:

When we used to be called Previously TV, the Y&R board came up with a nick name for ourselves. We called ourselves Preverts.

I remember that! Preverts ruled!!!!

I think I have posted something like this before....but seeing a couple of posts and reactions to them the last day or so have made me sad.  I hate to see anyone  feel the need to leave any group on this site. This is why I  don't respond to any poster who I disagree with; sometimes strongly.  The world around me right now (actually, probably all of us) can be dark. Trying to change anyone's mind about something they feel strongly about, especially political opinions, changes nothing except make someone feel angry or sad.  That is just me; it is simply I hate to see any kind of controversy or upset here. Where we should all feel okay about posting any opinions. Except trashing The Pope's sports card; that is off-limits. 😎 

Edited Tuesday at 05:57 PM by Kemper

[peacheslatour]

9 minutes ago, bluegirl147 said:

Tech bros are a serious problem. They have amassed way too much money and power and with few exceptions they are not good guys.

Look at Thiel, Musk and Larry Ellison (Stargate AI) they are the triumvirate of evil. What can decent, hard working people do against the oligarchs?

[jessiebell]

AH! Memories of the old TWoP.  I loved the episode recaps of The Amazing Race and Trading Spaces (it might have been the same writer for both shows). Those recaps were often hilarious.   I can't remember the name I used to post.  But I"m very limited in what topics/shows I looked at, besides those two it was Downton Abbey and Lost although not sure if those two were on TWoP or whatever it was that came after.

I used to post here as abbyzenn but when they changed to having to use your email to log it I had deleted that email sometime ago and I couldn't remember that or my password.  I had to register under a new emal but I couldn't use the name abbyzenn anymore.

[peacheslatour]

10 minutes ago, jessiebell said:

AH! Memories of the old TWoP.  I loved the episode recaps of The Amazing Race and Trading Spaces (it might have been the same writer for both shows). Those recaps were often hilarious.   I can't remember the name I used to post.  But I"m very limited in what topics/shows I looked at, besides those two it was Downton Abbey and Lost although not sure if those two were on TWoP or whatever it was that came after.

I used to post here as abbyzenn but when they changed to having to use your email to log it I had deleted that email sometime ago and I couldn't remember that or my password.  I had to register under a new emal but I couldn't use the name abbyzenn anymore.

I was looking for a re-cap of a Bates Motel episode and I came across one by a writer for TWoP. I wish I could remember his name, he was hilarious. Then I stumbled on the forums and started posting in the Y&R topics. It wasn't long before the site was shuttered and most of us came to Previously TV and then they changed it to Primetimer,

[Affogato]

I lurked on TWoP for Buffy and Angel. I honestly don’t remember if I was a member.  

[peacheslatour]

I think most of us had June on our bingo cards as to when their massive egos would collide.

https://www.the-express.com/news/politics/173734/elon-musk-big-beautiful-bill-trump-anger

Elon Musk went on an explosive rant on Twitter, calling President Donald Trump's Big, Beautiful Bill a "disgusting abomination" a few days after his formal exit as a special government employee heading the Department of Government Efficiency.

Trump said farewell to tech billionaire Musk on Friday, as the latter officially left his job, after leading DOGE for 130 days. The billionaire led allies and donated about $275 million, which catapulted Trump to a second term.

"I'm sorry but I just can't stand it anymore," Musk.

[shapeshifter]

5 hours ago, Mollywolly555 said:

I was wondering what was in those posts that were deemed unacceptable or not following the rules of respect or decency to other posters. 

Recently one of my posts was pulled and I got a detailed explanation (without even asking; I might not have noticed it was missing if not for the explanation) which boiled down to my having labeled someone (tho not specifically or directly) with a unflattering term. I realized I should have labeled the individual's behavior rather than using a noun. So I'm glad they took down my post. I don't want to be known as a name-caller, nor do I want to model that behavior.

Several years ago a post was removed because of a line (I don't recall the content) and I asked if the rest of the post could be restored. I think maybe it was? Or maybe they wanted to but is was gone? Or maybe it happened twice and one time it could be restored and another not? 
Whatever.

Anyhoo, hope that helps a bit, @Mollywolly555.

[peacheslatour]

12 minutes ago, shapeshifter said:

Recently one of my posts was pulled and I got a detailed explanation (without even asking; I might not have noticed it was missing if not for the explanation) which boiled down to my having labeled someone (tho not specifically or directly) with a unflattering term. I realized I should have labeled the individual's behavior rather than using a noun. So I'm glad they took down my post. I don't want to be known as a name-caller, nor do I want to model that behavior.

Several years ago a post was removed because of a line (I don't recall the content) and I asked if the rest of the post could be restored. I think maybe it was? Or maybe they wanted to but is was gone? Or maybe it happened twice and one time it could be restored and another not? 
Whatever.

Anyhoo, hope that helps a bit, @Mollywolly555.

If you look at my profile I have some warnings. One was from a thread where a poster made a joke about a TV cook and they got banned. All I did was upvote it. My second warning came when I replied to someone who was ranting about lazy so and sos who are on Medicaid. I merely pointed out that many hard working Americans avail themselves of Medicaid. I guess that was the wrong thing to say.

[Ohiopirate02]

3 minutes ago, peacheslatour said:

If you look at my profile I have some warnings. One was from a thread where a poster made a joke about a TV cook and they got banned. All I did was upvote it. My second warning came when I replied to someone who was ranting about lazy so and sos who are on Medicaid. I merely pointed out that many hard working Americans avail themselves of Medicaid. I guess that was the wrong thing to say.

Other posters cannot see the warnings, only you and the mods.

[Bastet]

9 hours ago, Notabug said:

Pardon me for being a sceptic, but I really haven't seen much evidence that Mr. Trump is any sort of an advocate for animal rights, surely his fur wearing wife and game hunting kids aren't; and it feels to me like maybe this is more MAGA spin to distract from the real purpose for ending the research. 

Some time during the campaign - maybe at the same time Trump was falsely accusing immigrants of eating cats and dogs - MAGA media "discovered" that the federal government funds lots of disturbing testing on animals.  It's the same no matter who is in office, but, of course, they reported it as if Biden had come up with it.

4 hours ago, Notabug said:

There are plenty of people who. Use different screen names to reply to their own posts

To this day I remember the laugh I got years ago when someone used their second screen name to tell their first screen name "You are such a good person".

[EtheltoTillie]

How did you know they were the same person?  You just sussed it out? 

[ProudMary]

I was on TWOP, but only in the Top Chef and The West Wing forums. I honestly can't remember what my screen name was. I wish I could recall because now it's driving me crazy. 🤔

...

Carole Cadwalladr, referenced above, is one of the best and most courageous investigative journalists working today. She was one of the people who first connected the dots about Cambridge Analytica. That's how I initially learned about her many years ago.

Here is her terrifying recent TED Talk, "This Is What A Digital Coup Looks Like" (17:42)

^This is what bravery looks like. I sincerely worry for her and other journalists at her level. 

Someone upthread asked if there were any quality conservative journalists out there. The answer would be no, because conservative journalists with any integrity long ago realized that MAGA was a cult and bore no resemblance to the traditional right-wing principles they originally held. There's no true market for them any longer. That how we ended up with Never Trumpers and PACs like The Lincoln Project.

Edited Tuesday at 07:19 PM by ProudMary
Fixed a typo. There's no "t" in bravery.

[Bastet]

2 minutes ago, EtheltoTillie said:

How did you know they were the same person?  You just sussed it out? 

They once thought they were using Screen Name 1, but were actually posting as Screen Name 2, and gave themselves away.

[Yeah No]

1 minute ago, Bastet said:

They once thought they were using Screen Name 1, but were actually posting as Screen Name 2, and gave themselves away.

That sounds familiar but I don't remember. Was that on TWOP? I wonder if I was on that thread and saw that too.

[Bastet]

Just now, Yeah No said:

That sounds familiar but I don't remember. Was that on TWOP?

No, here (back when it was Previously).  They haven't used either screen name in years.

But I'm sure it's happened multiple times.

[Yeah No]

Just now, Bastet said:

No, here (back when it was Previously).  They haven't used either screen name in years.

But I'm sure it's happened multiple times.

Ah I was on that too so maybe I was on that thread!

[peacheslatour]

3 minutes ago, Bastet said:

No, here (back when it was Previously).  They haven't used either screen name in years.

But I'm sure it's happened multiple times.

Sock puppets.

[shapeshifter]

13 minutes ago, ProudMary said:

Carole Cadwalladr, referenced above, is one of the best and most courageous investigative journalists working today. She was one of the people who first connected the dots about Cambridge Analytica. That's how I initially learned about her many years ago.

Here is her terrifying recent TED Talk, "This Is What A Digital Coup Looks Like" (17:42)

^This is what bravery looks like. I sincerely worry for her and other journalists at her level. 

I was just watching her on TDS being interviewed by Jon Stewart. 
She is a role model.

[Anela]

6 hours ago, lookeyloo said:

Question - don't know where to put it. 

Can someone use two computers and have two screen names and post as two separate people?

Another question - if someone is banned, can they get back on with another screen name?  And do the mods check the computer that request is coming from? 

I'm just curious.  I am the real lookeyloo only posting once and haven't been banned.  I hope never to be.

I've only ever had this username, too. My TWOP name was the same as my twitter name, I think. It's been so long. I lurked in Grey's, Battlestar Galactica, and a few more. 

3 hours ago, fastiller said:

Fellow TWoPper here.  Actually from the MBTV days.   It's been an interesting journey with the various incarnations.  (If this were TWoP, would this be considered 'boards on boards'?)

I worry about that, too. I've been here since TWOP shut down, and that's one of the rules that stuck out. No discussing anything about the boards, or other posters. 

51 minutes ago, ProudMary said:

I was on TWOP, but only in the Top Chef and The West Wing forums. I honestly can't remember what my screen name was. I wish I could recall because now it's driving me crazy. 🤔

...

Carole Cadwalladr, referenced above, is one of the best and most courageous investigative journalists working today. She was one of the people who first connected the dots about Cambridge Analytica. That's how I initially learned about her many years ago.

Here is her terrifying recent TED Talk, "This Is What A Digital Coup Looks Like" (17:42)

^This is what bravery looks like. I sincerely worry for her and other journalists at her level. 

Someone upthread asked if there were any quality conservative journalists out there. The answer would be no, because conservative journalists with any integrity long ago realized that MAGA was a cult and bore no resemblance to the traditional right-wing principles they originally held. There's no true market for them any longer. That how we ended up with Never Trumpers and PACs like The Lincoln Project.

I saw this video last month. 

[tres bien]

Oh God Pete Hegseth’s at it again although I’m pretty sure he got his marching orders from the his boss

Hegseth has ordered the Secretary of the Navy to rename the USS Harvey Milk 

Launched in 2021 and named after the slain gay rights activist and Navy veteran it will be renamed later this month 

Also on the list of ships that may be renamed are USNS Ruth Bader Ginsburg USNS Harriet Tubman USNS Cesar Chavez and USNS Medgar Evers

I’m sensing a pattern here 

[EtheltoTillie]

1 hour ago, shapeshifter said:

I was just watching her on TDS being interviewed by Jon Stewart. 
She is a role model.

I watched this.  It's so scary.  As I've been afraid for months, none of this can easily be undone, either this data collection or the dismantling of our government agencies or the overall thinking about what a government should be or do.

[peacheslatour]

4 minutes ago, tres bien said:

Oh God Pete Hegseth’s at it again although I’m pretty sure he got his marching orders from the his boss

Hegseth has ordered the Secretary of the Navy to rename the USS Harvey Milk 

Launched in 2021 and named after the slain gay rights activist and Navy veteran it will be renamed later this month 

Also on the list of ships that may be renamed are USNS Ruth Bader Ginsburg USNS Harriet Tubman USNS Cesar Chavez and USNS Medgar Evers

I’m sensing a pattern here 

What's he going to do if the Navy refuses?

[DrSpaceman73]

Here is two I hadn't heard about. 

They're trying to get any book with lgbqt characters banned on reiligous liberty grounds ?  

 

https://marylandmatters.org/2025/04/22/groups-nationwide-eye-supreme-court-hearing-on-montgomery-county-lgbtq-books-in-schools-case/

 

Crazy. And Scotus reportedly is receptive to this

 

Another one a girl denied graduating because she won't take a health class with lgbqt material in it.   She is suing. 

https://www.foxnews.com/media/christian-family-says-school-refusing-allow-daughter-graduate-over-mandatory-lgbtq-health-class

'Religous liberty' out of control with maga

But they mandate you teach the 2020 election was stolen. 

Edited Tuesday at 08:48 PM by DrSpaceman73

[Affogato]

7 minutes ago, DrSpaceman73 said:

Here is two I hadn't heard about. 

They're trying to get any book with lgbqt characters banned on reiligous liberty grounds ?  

 

https://marylandmatters.org/2025/04/22/groups-nationwide-eye-supreme-court-hearing-on-montgomery-county-lgbtq-books-in-schools-case/

 

Crazy. And Scotus reportedly is receptive to this

 

Another one a girl denied graduating because she won't take a health class with lgbqt material in it.   She is suing. 

https://www.foxnews.com/media/christian-family-says-school-refusing-allow-daughter-graduate-over-mandatory-lgbtq-health-class

'Religous liberty' out of control with maga

But they mandate you teach the 2020 election was stolen. 

It isn’t religious liberty. It is control. 

[peacheslatour]

https://www.rawstory.com/trump-parade-happy-birthday/?utm_source=fark&utm_medium=website&utm_content=link&ICID=ref_fark

U.S. Chief of Protocol Monica Crowley revealed that President Donald Trump would be honored by the crowd singing "Happy Birthday" at a military parade that is expected to cost up to $45 million.

During a Tuesday interview on the War Room podcast, MAGA influencer Steve Bannon noted that Trump had been criticized for staging a parade on his birthday.

"Obviously, the mainstream media is all over — this is Trump's parade," Bannon said. "The thing that this is much broader, right?"

 

[tres bien]

1 minute ago, peacheslatour said:

https://www.rawstory.com/trump-parade-happy-birthday/?utm_source=fark&utm_medium=website&utm_content=link&ICID=ref_fark

U.S. Chief of Protocol Monica Crowley revealed that President Donald Trump would be honored by the crowd singing "Happy Birthday" at a military parade that is expected to cost up to $45 million.

During a Tuesday interview on the War Room podcast, MAGA influencer Steve Bannon noted that Trump had been criticized for staging a parade on his birthday.

"Obviously, the mainstream media is all over — this is Trump's parade," Bannon said. "The thing that this is much broader, right?"

 

God I hate him

[Bastet]

This is fantastic; the domain joniernst26.com was available, and someone snatched it up to make a fake campaign page for Joni Ernst.  Here are some examples, but go check out the whole thing.

The home page blurb:

Quote

I’m Senator Joni Ernst, except I’m not, because I was too fucking stupid to secure my own campaign domain. Now it’s a shrine to my political cowardice, performative grit, and the Bible verses I weaponize to avoid responsibility. Enjoy the site. It’s more honest than I’ve ever been.

“We’re all going to die” isn’t just a warning, it’s my campaign promise.

The About Me blurb:

Quote

A senator in title, but a coward in practice. I peddle fear and dress it in camouflage. That's leadership! I vote against veterans while waving flags, gut rights while quoting scripture, and smile through every lie as long as it keeps me in power. I’ve built a career on betrayal: of women, of working people, of anyone who expected more than a folksy catchphrase and a loaded gun.

 

Edited Tuesday at 09:37 PM by Bastet

[Browncoat]

I hate having to agree with Elon Musk about anything.

[peacheslatour]

4 minutes ago, Browncoat said:

I hate having to agree with Elon Musk about anything.

Me too but I think someone upthread mentioned something about a stopped clock..

Edited Tuesday at 09:55 PM by peacheslatour

[kittykat]

I feel absolutely nothing for Elon Musk.  He did this.  He donated hundreds of millions of dollars to his campaign.  He called the banners to all his little wannabe bros. He's spearheading the tech bro takeover.  He's done with Trump?  Spare me, he did this and he can reap what he has sown.

[peacheslatour]

2 minutes ago, kittykat said:

I feel absolutely nothing for Elon Musk.  He did this.  He donated hundreds of millions of dollars to his campaign.  He called the banners to all his little wannabe bros. He's spearheading the tech bro takeover.  He's done with Trump?  Spare me, he did this and he can reap what he has sown.

I guess hell has frozen over. Suddenly some of Trump's staunchest defenders are slipping their collars.

[Ohiopirate02]

Friendly reminder, Elon and Charlie are big mad because the bill does not cut enough money from the budget, and it will increase the national debt due to the tax cuts for the rich. 

[SoMuchTV]

3 hours ago, shapeshifter said:

Recently one of my posts was pulled and I got a detailed explanation (without even asking; I might not have noticed it was missing if not for the explanation) which boiled down to my having labeled someone (tho not specifically or directly) with a unflattering term. I realized I should have labeled the individual's behavior rather than using a noun. So I'm glad they took down my post. I don't want to be known as a name-caller, nor do I want to model that behavior.

One time, this was a few years ago now, someone posted a comment on a show I watch that I thought was a little ill-informed, and that contained a grammatical error. I posted a reply that echoed that error. A little bit later (maybe an hour or so?) I had second thoughts that I was being overly snarky, and went to edit or remove the comment, but it was already gone. I never got any kind of warning or notification, but I was grateful that some all-seeing mod had saved me from myself. 

[anony.miss]

10 hours ago, bluegirl147 said:

I know to avoid some sites or FB pages because I'm not going to feel comfortable there.

Exactly. If this site welcomed content currently not allowed - sexist memes, dehumanizing language, opinion stated as fact - or hosted a forum where people were not required to provide links to back up emphatic or extreme statements (or where links to sites full of errors would be taken at face value) I'd just move on, and find a place more in line with my standards.

Quote

 this partisan divide is more than personality differences.

100 percent agree. I don't care about Trump's personality type, it's his criminal record I find repugnant. The man is a predator found legally liable for sexual abuse - if that doesn't disqualify him for the presidency is someone's eyes, then we don't share the same moral universe.

Edited Tuesday at 11:18 PM by anony.miss

[EtheltoTillie]

2 hours ago, tres bien said:

Oh God Pete Hegseth’s at it again although I’m pretty sure he got his marching orders from the his boss

Hegseth has ordered the Secretary of the Navy to rename the USS Harvey Milk 

Launched in 2021 and named after the slain gay rights activist and Navy veteran it will be renamed later this month 

Also on the list of ships that may be renamed are USNS Ruth Bader Ginsburg USNS Harriet Tubman USNS Cesar Chavez and USNS Medgar Evers

I’m sensing a pattern here 

It's all bad, but especially for Milk because Milk served in the Navy!!!  In the Korean War!  And therefore had the "warrior ethos" that Hegseth is purportedly concerned about.  And was forced to take a less than honorable discharge because of the threat of court martial for homosexuality. Where does the cruelty behind this thinking come from? 

Edited Tuesday at 11:11 PM by EtheltoTillie

[Spartan Girl]

Re: Musk

Is this it? Is this the breakup we’ve been waiting for?

[Annber03]

16 minutes ago, EtheltoTillie said:

Where does the cruelty behind this thinking come from? 

Apparently they think they'll get gay cooties or something, I guess? I dunno. Just...imagine being that fragile. Imagine thinking that sort of thing is the biggest concern in the world right now. 

@Bastet, thank you for sharing that domain link for Ernst, that's HILARIOUS. And spot on. Whoever did that is a damn hero. 

Edited Tuesday at 11:28 PM by Annber03

[EtheltoTillie]

Oh and in case anyone forgot, Harvey Milk was assassinated!!!  I should have added that above. 

[DrSpaceman73]

31 minutes ago, anony.miss said:

Exactly. If this site welcomed content currently not allowed - sexist memes, dehumanizing language, opinion stated as fact - or hosted a forum where people were not required to provide links to back up emphatic or extreme statements (or where links to sites full of errors would be taken at face value) I'd just move on, and find a place more in line with my standards.

100 percent agree. I don't care about Trump's personality type, it's his criminal record I find repugnant. The man is a predator found legally liable for sexual abuse - if that doesn't disqualify him for the presidency is someone's eyes, then we don't share the same moral universe.

I find everything about him deplorable. 

Even if I agreed with him politically,  and I dont, I wouldn't vote for him. 

He has literally no redeeming qualities whatsoever. 

[annzeepark914]

I was at TWOP back in the day...think I had the same name as now. I did get suspended for two weeks--didn't even know it. Just couldn't post anything. I think I contacted the site & was informed that because I had recommended another website to a fellow TWOP-er, that I was suspended (sheesh--it was a health forum for women). Got a warning here for a too OTT description of The Donald 😁... but with a nice note! Love this forum. We are so lucky to have it, especially now.

[Absolom]

9 hours ago, Notabug said:

That’s the thing. There can be more than one member of a household who is registered and posting from the same ISP.

There is also this invention called a VPN.  It prevents the site from seeing the poster's true address.  ISP is internet service provider so certainly multiple people will be using the same provider.  I believe we're talking about IP addresses.  

[graybrown bird]

3 hours ago, tres bien said:

Oh God Pete Hegseth’s at it again although I’m pretty sure he got his marching orders from the his boss

Hegseth has ordered the Secretary of the Navy to rename the USS Harvey Milk 

Launched in 2021 and named after the slain gay rights activist and Navy veteran it will be renamed later this month 

Also on the list of ships that may be renamed are USNS Ruth Bader Ginsburg USNS Harriet Tubman USNS Cesar Chavez and USNS Medgar Evers

I’m sensing a pattern here 

This is outrageous!

[Absolom]

 

6 hours ago, bluegirl147 said:

This concerns me as well. That there will be a database with everything about us  stored on it. Who will have access to it and for what purpose? Surely nothing good will come from that.

I worked for the federal government and thought we had too much info stored about people then.  Now it's super scary.  

5 hours ago, Bastet said:

Some time during the campaign - maybe at the same time Trump was falsely accusing immigrants of eating cats and dogs - MAGA media "discovered" that the federal government funds lots of disturbing testing on animals.  It's the same no matter who is in office, but, of course, they reported it as if Biden had come up with it.

To this day I remember the laugh I got years ago when someone used their second screen name to tell their first screen name "You are such a good person".

Saying Biden did everything they dislike is beyond old and ridiculous, but they haven't figured out that people are onto it. 

Yes, sock puppets backing each other has always been a hoot.

2 hours ago, peacheslatour said:

I guess hell has frozen over. Suddenly some of Trump's staunchest defenders are slipping their collars.

Finally!!!  

Edited Wednesday at 12:30 AM by Absolom

[Yeah No]

2 hours ago, peacheslatour said:

I guess hell has frozen over. Suddenly some of Trump's staunchest defenders are slipping their collars.

Is this as monumental as it seems? I sure hope so.

Edited Wednesday at 12:30 AM by Yeah No

[Soapy Goddess]

12 hours ago, Ohiopirate02 said:

And it's not that difficult to be civil to fellow posters, nor is it difficult to not use dehumanizing language when talking about different groups of people. This thread is over 300 pages long, it appears many of us can follow these simple rules.

When have I not been civil to anyone? In fact, I've gone out of my way to be kind, have a sense of humor, and take all the shit thrown at me. And I've never had any problems until lately. I have my suspicions, and have even "talked" to some of you to explain. But it's not what you think. 

12 hours ago, Mollywolly555 said:

I agree, Ohiopirate.

I was wondering what was in those posts that were deemed unacceptable or not following the rules of respect or decency to other posters. 

Or was it blatant untruths?

Or was it claims without supporting references, or references from questionable sources?

Just curious, which brings up a question I cannot answer: Is there any Trump supporter, journalist or pundit who is deemed credible in the media? 

By credible, I mean a conservative who follows anything akin to my questions above, (using facts, credible references, civility, decency) or a conservative who can dialogue within something like the parameters/rules of this thread?

 

 

 

No untruths...and none of the above. Just my honest opinions as always. And my last note was about taking a break due to more important issues that need my attention. I was going into read only mode, but when you all start speculating the worst (as always), I have to defend myself. I probably shouldn't say another word. It wouldn't do any good anyway.

Edited Wednesday at 12:51 AM by Soapy Goddess

[Yeah No]

2 hours ago, peacheslatour said:

Me too but I think someone upthread mentioned something about a stopped clock..

I think that was me. But obviously we're not alone:

7 minutes ago, Absolom said:

Yes, sock puppets backing each other has always been a hoot.

I used to see that a lot when I owned and moderated a mailing list on Yahoogroups. And I knew who some of them were.

[StatisticalOutlier]

1 hour ago, DrSpaceman73 said:

I find everything about him deplorable. 

Even if I agreed with him politically,  and I dont, I wouldn't vote for him. 

He has literally no redeeming qualities whatsoever. 

Correct me if I'm wrong (this is a loooong thread), but didn't you say you didn't vote for either Harris or Trump?  

To me, refusing to vote for the one person who could keep Trump from becoming president again is at least acquiescence in a Trump presidency. 

[Annber03]

1 hour ago, DrSpaceman73 said:

I find everything about him deplorable. 

Even if I agreed with him politically,  and I dont, I wouldn't vote for him. 

He has literally no redeeming qualities whatsoever. 

This. There never has been, isn't, and never will be any valid or logical explanation or justficiation to support him and his policies. None whatsoever. There wasn't any in 2016, and there sure as fuck isn't any now.