Chit-Chat: The Feels

[Browncoat]

5 hours ago, Soapy Goddess said:

Ok, then can you explain why the Dems refused to clap for a CHILD that had brain cancer?

Is this the same child with cancer that Trump had illegally deported?  Or perhaps the same child who will die prematurely because Trump and Musk decimated the budget for cancer research?

[Kemper]

I am a lifelong Dem, all the way. What I do not understand is the furor over Jake Tapper's book. Why? Journalists write these types of books all of the time. My anger is that it did not come out before the election. 

As an aside: I have always loved Joe Biden and still do. 

Edited Wednesday at 12:27 PM by Kemper

[bluegirl147]

31 minutes ago, Affogato said:

. So the book should push people to examine the Trump administration closely. 
 

Even without Tapper's book people should be examining Trump's administration. In fact Tapper should be writing his book about Trump right now.  And if he doesn't write that book then it was never about transparency.

20 minutes ago, Kemper said:

I am a lifelong Dem, all the way. What I do not understand is the furor over Jake Tapper's book. Why? Journalists write these types of books all of the time. My anger is that it did not come out before the election. 

My issue with the book and his sources is assuming what they say is true why wasn't this disclosed a lot sooner?  And when people started questioning Biden's ability to win and serve a second term why did everyone around Biden dismiss those concerns? I'm more inclined to believe Biden's staff was more interested in protecting their jobs than protecting Biden.

I think Biden should have kept his word and not run for a second term. He said he was going to be a transitional president.  Or maybe the word he is used was a bridge. But he had it in his head he was he only one who could beat Trump.  He still thinks that. And unfortunately all of this is going to negatively affect his legacy.

[Spartan Girl]

43 minutes ago, Affogato said:

So the book should push people to examine the Trump administration closely. 
 

It won’t. It’ll just give more people an excuse to shit on the Democrats. We’ve been through this song and dance before. Because they’re always held to a higher standard than Trump and the Republicans.

The fact that Tapper went on Lara Trump show actually apologizing to her for calling her out on her using Biden’s stutter to make cracks about him having dementia tells me all I need to know. Fuck him.

[Ohiopirate02]

18 minutes ago, Kemper said:

I am a lifelong Dem, all the way. What I do not understand is the furor over Jake Tapper's book. Why? Journalists write these types of books all of the time. My anger is that it did not come out before the election. 

As an aside: I have always loved Joe Biden and still do. 

The furor exists because of how quickly the book went to print. Books take time to write even for journalists. I cannot believe that Jake and his co-author had been working on this book before last November. There would have been no need to rush it if Kamala had won. This means they wrote the book in 3ish months because the logistics of publishing require usually 90 days to get the books in place for publication day. That is not enough time to thoroughly fact check all of the unnamed sources. It's an op-ed piece disguised as serious journalism.

[bluegirl147]

10 minutes ago, Ohiopirate02 said:

There would have been no need to rush it if Kamala had won.

And the book would not have been published in it's current form if Kamala had won.

And I can't get past the title. Original Sin?  Really?

 

Edited Wednesday at 01:10 PM by bluegirl147

[Affogato]

13 minutes ago, Ohiopirate02 said:

The furor exists because of how quickly the book went to print. Books take time to write even for journalists. I cannot believe that Jake and his co-author had been working on this book before last November. There would have been no need to rush it if Kamala had won. This means they wrote the book in 3ish months because the logistics of publishing require usually 90 days to get the books in place for publication day. That is not enough time to thoroughly fact check all of the unnamed sources. It's an op-ed piece disguised as serious journalism.

Well we may at some point learn the timeline. Until then I don’t see any basis for what you are saying. It would have made more sense to have started it when it was assumed Biden would run again. Why in the world are you thinking this is an unwarranted attack, without any real information? 

2 minutes ago, bluegirl147 said:

And the book would not have been published in it's current form if Kamala had won.

Why not?  

Edited Wednesday at 01:09 PM by Affogato

[bluegirl147]

12 minutes ago, Spartan Girl said:

The fact that Tapper went on Lara Trump show actually apologizing to her for calling her out on her using Biden’s stutter to make cracks about him having dementia tells me all I need to know. Fuck him.

For journalists it's all about access.  Tapper doesn't want to lose the ability to talk to people close to Trump.  There are very few journalists I respect any more.  Back in the day we didn't really know their names unless they broke a really big story.  But now they all want to do is write books and have their own shows/podcasts.  Reporting the news is just an afterthought now.

[Ohiopirate02]

Just now, Affogato said:

Well we may at some point learn the timeline. Until then I don’t see any basis for what you are saying. It would have made more sense to have started it when it was assumed Biden would run again. Why in the world are you thinking this is an unwarranted attack, without any real information? 

The only people who know when Jake and his co-author started investigating this story are Jake and Alex. They could have been researching Biden's decline in 2023. But that then begs the question, why wait until after the election to publish this in a book? I do know part of the answer to that--Jake and Alex make more money in a book deal. And, once again we have journalists choosing their pocketbook over their professional ethics.

[bluegirl147]

4 minutes ago, Affogato said:

Why not?  

As I said in a previous post, access.  

[Affogato]

https://apple.news/Aa8CrpveHSbKsKMeFtbNs1g
 

Npr interview with Tapper 

quote

On the Biden team’s aggressive response to critical coverage

It happened to me when I was reporting critically on Biden's withdrawal from Afghanistan in August 2021. This is just politics in America today. White Houses, parties, have legions of influencers and bots and activists and journalists who agree with them, and those people, half the time you don't even need to give them an order, they'll just go after anybody. It's just par for the course. We cited it not to justify anything, but just to kind of explain the terrain on which journalists were trying to report anything about President Biden. … The White House is calling your story a lie or somebody from the White House threatens to go on the record and call your story a lie, that could be really intimidating. … It also serves as a warning shot for other journalists to not follow up on a story because they see how somebody else is getting raked over the coals, and they might not want to experience that.

[Spartan Girl]

We saw how the media continued to normalize Trump during the election despite everything that happened, putting more scrutiny on Biden, Harris, and all the other Democrats. Not all members of the media did this, but enough of them did. And all because Biden didn’t do enough interviews or whatever. FFS we all heard the story of some of the WH press gloating “We are so back” when Trump came into power. They knew all they had to do was kiss his ass and they’d have unlimited access.

If they cared at all about journalism ethics and integrity—and I am a journalist major so I know exactly what I’m talking about—they would have been shouting on the airwaves:” I know things aren’t perfect now, but they’ll be worse under Trump, please don’t vote for him!”

[Yeah No]

11 hours ago, ProudMary said:

This is quite an article; lengthy and with a good deal of the methodology spelled out, which is important because the subject is going to piss off a lot of people and the authors need to show their work. I'm quoting a few paragraphs, but the full piece is worth the read as it gives social scientific credence to opinions many of us on the left have held for years now. It's also a good playbook for the Democratic party moving forward. (Bolding inside the quote, mine)

Is Trump’s base racist? Social scientists begin to weigh in

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/is-trump-s-base-racist-social-scientists-begin-to-weigh-in/ar-AA1EZRC7

That was an interesting article and very informative, however I don't agree with this quote from it:

Quote

Smith said, “In my opinion, millions of potential voters stayed away from the polls because they didn’t believe that Democratic centrism represents a genuine and progressive alternative,” he said in a follow-up email. “If that’s true, then trying again — with an even more centrist approach — is a recipe for yet another failure.”

I don't agree with this because there are far fewer voters that far left (aka progressives) that sat out the 2024 election to attract than there are centrists that pull a little further right of them but are still basically reachable by the Democratic party. So pulling further left will alienate even more voters than it did by aiming toward the center (not to mention give the Right that much more to target in their attempts to defeat them). I am not including just Democrats but all voters in general that may not have voted in the 2024 election. The stats I have read (which I don't have at my fingertips right now) all point in that direction. 

[Dimity]

I seriously question anyone trying to shift the focus to Biden at this moment in history. 

Tapper reminds me of that Winston Churchill quote: an appeaser is one who feeds the crocodile hoping it will eat him last.

Edited Wednesday at 01:31 PM by Dimity

[annzeepark914]

I'd still like to know who in the WH referred to Democrats, who wanted Biden to drop out, as "bedwetters".  For some reason, that still irritates me. It was directed at politicians but it felt like it was also directed at those of us regular Democrats who were furious & very worried that Biden wasn't stepping aside (as he'd promised). I blame these WH aides & the Bidens for the dangerous mess we're in today.

[Affogato]

15 minutes ago, bluegirl147 said:

As I said in a previous post, access.  

Yes, that is probably why he would initially be reluctant and also he would want more information. 
 

Being unreasonable partisan and loyal to Biden, in a general tik tok user way, is not a reasonable way to oppose Trump.  Becoming the enemy is pretty problematical. 
 

This book may, in fact, cause people to express concerns about Trump. 

[tres bien]

1 hour ago, Affogato said:

I do think the book being published at this time, it theoretically is a good time for an expose about a past presidency. In the rear view mirror, but still fresh in everyone’s minds. It is material that is related to current issues, since the current president is old, wants to ‘rule’ forever and shows some signs of diminished capacity, even if you simply go by public material from a few years ago. And of course Trump is aggressively propped up by his aides, who defend his many malapropisms. So the book should push people to examine the Trump administration closely. 
 

it is unfortunate that it comes at the same time as the cancer diagnosis. It mist seem like an attack. We all feel for the Bidens at this time and it seems like kicking someone when he is down. It is hard to tell how history will sort this out. People in the Biden presidency who were unnamed sources may not want to cause him additional pain. maybe more stuff will come to light. 
 

 

This book should push people to examine the Trump administration closely?

There were numerous books written about Trump 1.0 and no one examined a damn thing. So here we are

I don’t think that was Tapper and his coauthor’s intention 

[BetyBee]

42 minutes ago, bluegirl147 said:

Even without Tapper's book people should be examining Trump's administration. In fact Tapper should be writing his book about Trump right now.  And if he doesn't write that book then it was never about transparency.

My issue with the book and his sources is assuming what they say is true why wasn't this disclosed a lot sooner?  And when people started questioning Biden's ability to win and serve a second term why did everyone around Biden dismiss those concerns? I'm more inclined to believe Biden's staff was more interested in protecting their jobs than protecting Biden.

I think Biden should have kept his word and not run for a second term. He said he was going to be a transitional president.  Or maybe the word he is used was a bridge. But he had it in his head he was he only one who could beat Trump.  He still thinks that. And unfortunately all of this is going to negatively affect his legacy.

It will not negatively affect his legacy to me. He is the best president of my long lifetime and he faced incredible opposition from the radical right. I don't recall him saying he was only in for one term and if that claim comes from the lousy MSM, I don't believe it. I do believe that the people around Biden believed in his competency. I feel that MSM overlooks daily examples of Trump's incompetence and possible dementia. Certainly they overlook his many lies. I think MAGAs conflate stuttering with dementia. He's a lifelong stutterer and even in that last, unfortunate debate, Biden answered questions he was asked coherently, while Trump went into nonsensical lies and continued unchecked. 

[Affogato]

37 minutes ago, tres bien said:

This book should push people to examine the Trump administration closely?

There were numerous books written about Trump 1.0 and no one examined a damn thing. So here we are

I don’t think that was Tapper and his coauthor’s intention 

I do believe the information he had should have been made public a long time ago. I think then people would have accused him of supporting Trump and the right.  And it probably was a factor for sources and journalists. So I’m willing to let this play out a bit. Anyway I don’t hear a lot of people here even saying that. 
 

the timing sucked because of the diagnosis. Tapper may not have much control over advertising, which is why Stewart criticizes CNN. Tapper should have pushed to release the information sooner. CNN could be more sensitive about the advertisement. 
 

 

 

 

[bluegirl147]

29 minutes ago, BetyBee said:

I don't recall him saying he was only in for one term and if that claim comes from the lousy MSM, I don't believe it.

Biden himself said this:

 “I view myself as a transition candidate,” Biden said at an online fundraiser in April 2020. In March of that year, at a rally where his eventual VP pick Kamala Harris was by his side, he used similar language: “I view myself as a bridge, not as anything else.”

So he might not have explicitly said he wouldn't run for second term but it sounds like at the time he thought he wouldn't.

43 minutes ago, Affogato said:

This book may, in fact, cause people to express concerns about Trump. 

I doubt it.  If Trump's own behavior doesn't make people concerned a book about Biden isn't going to cause them to be concerned about Trump's behavior.

45 minutes ago, annzeepark914 said:

I blame these WH aides & the Bidens for the dangerous mess we're in today.

I don't know if this is true or not but Hunter was one family member who was adamant his dad stay in the race.  And I would believe that.  Hunter was at the time in the middle of those court cases and facing jail time.  He would have wanted the protection his father being president afforded him. 

57 minutes ago, Yeah No said:

So pulling further left will alienate even more voters than it did by aiming toward the center

Leftist economic policies are enormously popular.  That is what Democrats need to run on.  Being centrist when it comes to the economy is not a winning strategy.  It seems like the Democrats only talk about the economy when the Republicans are trying to tank it with tax cuts.  The Senate just voted 100-0 to do the no tax on tips promise Trump made.  Why did they vote for it? Because it is a popular.  Democrats need to come up with those kind of ideas.

1 hour ago, Spartan Girl said:

If they cared at all about journalism ethics and integrity

I'm afraid that ship set sail when everyone saw how popular Fox News was.

[tres bien]

10 minutes ago, Affogato said:

I do believe the information he had should have been made public a long time ago. I think then people would have accused him of supporting Trump and the right.  And it probably was a factor for sources and journalists. So I’m willing to let this play out a bit. Anyway I don’t hear a lot of people here even saying that. 
 

the timing sucked because of the diagnosis. Tapper may not have much control over advertising, which is why Stewart criticizes CNN. Tapper should have pushed to release the information sooner. CNN could be more sensitive about the advertisement. 
 

 

 

 

Maybe Jake should stop running around on every cable show that calls him to hawk his book

Or Meghan Kelly’s podcast. I’d hardly call that advertising 

 

Edited Wednesday at 02:40 PM by tres bien

[BetyBee]

9 minutes ago, bluegirl147 said:

Biden himself said this:

 “I view myself as a transition candidate,” Biden said at an online fundraiser in April 2020. In March of that year, at a rally where his eventual VP pick Kamala Harris was by his side, he used similar language: “I view myself as a bridge, not as anything else.”

So he might not have explicitly said he wouldn't run for second term but it sounds like at the time he thought he wouldn't..

That doesn't sound like a promise to serve only one term to me. I wish he'd been a transition president, a bridge to Kamala and then other forward thinking American leaders, but for whatever reason (misogyny, racism, laziness, cheating) instead we are back to a treasonous nightmare. 

[Ohiopirate02]

20 minutes ago, tres bien said:

Maybe Jake should stop running around on every cable show that calls him to hawk his book

Or Meghan Kelly’s podcast. I’d hardly call that advertising 

 

When it comes to authors hawking their books on TV or podcasts or NPR, the author's representative and publisher set those interviews up. And an author of Jake Tapper's standing does have the power to nix certain outlets. He's 100% on board with where ever his agent sends him.

[Affogato]

2 minutes ago, Ohiopirate02 said:

When it comes to authors hawking their books on TV or podcasts or NPR, the author's representative and publisher set those interviews up. And an author of Jake Tapper's standing does have the power to nix certain outlets. He's 100% on board with where ever his agent sends him.

And he should be talking to the ‘right’ and the ‘left’ outlets. People should. 

I thought Biden was a good choice for Obama’s VP. Well known in Washington, able to be a go between. I never particularly wanted him for president. Lazy casting. But democrats have neither found a substitute or repaired their networks. Now would be a good time to do that. 

[Absolom]

4 hours ago, DrSpaceman73 said:

Trying to claim to be  some type of non Trump republican is just not believable right now.  So no, sorry, it falls on deaf ears with me and many.  They helped create the monster and can't turn around now and say it's not your fault he acts like this and you dont really support everything he does. We all saw this coming.  

If people voted for Trump, they have the responsibility for bringing the actions we're seeing upon the country.  They can say they're sorry or they wish they'd realized sooner, but the responsibility is still theirs.  They can always learn from the experience and do better in the future. 

[Dimity]

14 minutes ago, Absolom said:

If people voted for Trump, they have the responsibility for bringing the actions we're seeing upon the country.

Exactly.  I see people pointing fingers at Biden, at Harris, and George Clooney for godssake, and flailing around trying to assign blame for Trump's election anywhere but at the feet of an electorate who decided they'd rather have a felon in office than a black woman. 

The blame, at the end of the day, falls on those people who voted for that evil man and I don't care what rationale they used then or are trotting out now.  The buck stops with them. 

[Spartan Girl]

25 minutes ago, Dimity said:

Exactly.  I see people pointing fingers at Biden, at Harris, and George Clooney for godssake, and flailing around trying to assign blame for Trump's election anywhere but at the feet of an electorate who decided they'd rather have a felon in office than a black woman. 

The blame, at the end of the day, falls on those people who voted for that evil man and I don't care what rationale they used then or are trotting out now.  The buck stops with them. 

Don't forget the ones that voted third party or didn't vote at all. They've got as much blame, if not more.

[Bookish Jen]

16 minutes ago, Spartan Girl said:

Don't forget the ones that voted third party or didn't vote at all. They've got as much blame, if not more.

Yep, I'm blaming people who voted for Trump, voted third party, and those who chose not to vote when it comes to the mess we are in. They are a trifecta of people who fill me with rage.

And in other news:

The MAGA War on PBS Isn't About Saving Money.

[kittykat]

And people are still doubling down on their 3rd party/no vote.  They feel so so proud that they stuck to their principles and didn't vote for those corporate shilling Democrats.  Let Trump run it all to the ground that will teach us for allegedly screwing over Bernie in 2016 (HE DIDN'T HAVE THE VOTES!).

To the 3rd/nos, what is their endgame? Do they want a complete collapse of the government and the economy? And then if that happens what do we rebuild? A Democratic Socialist paradise or an Autocratic one because when governments collapse it tends to be the latter.  These people love referencing the French revolution.  Woohoo we sent a bunch of rich people to the guillotine but then what happened when the revolutionaries turned on each other?  Fucking Napoleon is what happened.  It's one thing to want to radically change things up but have a long term plan.

[shapeshifter]

Potus is on live news now lying about South Africa to the President of South Africa, who is so clearly the better man in every way. 
Potus just stopped playing his accordion because SA president asked their (white) administrator to speak.
As soon the (black) president starts speaking, potus interrupts and starts playing his accordion again (to accompany his lies).

[peacheslatour]

27 minutes ago, shapeshifter said:

Potus is on live news now lying about South Africa to the President of South Africa, who is so clearly the better man in every way. 
Potus just stopped playing his accordion because SA president asked their (white) administrator to speak.
As soon the (black) president starts speaking, potus interrupts and starts playing his accordion again (to accompany his lies).

[bluegirl147]

27 minutes ago, shapeshifter said:

Potus is on live news now lying about South Africa to the President of South Africa, who is so clearly the better man in every way. 
Potus just stopped playing his accordion because SA president asked their (white) administrator to speak.
As soon the (black) president starts speaking, potus interrupts and starts playing his accordion again (to accompany his lies).

This does not surprise me in the least.  That is how Trump looks at people of color. That they don't deserve to be heard.

[peacheslatour]

My god, the arrogance. How can this petulant, petty little man be so arrogant?

Even after Ramaphosa offered a state visit to South Africa alongside the G20, Trump did not respond. “So without the United States, the G20, just like the G7 — used to be the G8, but brilliantly they threw Russia out, would have been a lot better if Russia was in,” Trump said, referring to the removal of Moscow after its 2014 annexation of Crimea.

“You know, a lot of people would say … if Russia was in, you probably wouldn’t have this war [in Ukraine] … But we have a G7. It’s important that the United States is in both of them. Without the United States, I really believe it’s not very important.”

https://www.thetimes.com/world/africa/article/ramaphosa-trump-meeting-south-africa-latest-news-5fc87rzb0?region=global

[Anela]

4 hours ago, annzeepark914 said:

I'd still like to know who in the WH referred to Democrats, who wanted Biden to drop out, as "bedwetters".  For some reason, that still irritates me. It was directed at politicians but it felt like it was also directed at those of us regular Democrats who were furious & very worried that Biden wasn't stepping aside (as he'd promised). I blame these WH aides & the Bidens for the dangerous mess we're in today.

I blame every single person who voted for Trump. None of them needed to. They chose this. 

2 hours ago, Absolom said:

If people voted for Trump, they have the responsibility for bringing the actions we're seeing upon the country.  They can say they're sorry or they wish they'd realized sooner, but the responsibility is still theirs.  They can always learn from the experience and do better in the future. 

 

2 hours ago, Dimity said:

Exactly.  I see people pointing fingers at Biden, at Harris, and George Clooney for godssake, and flailing around trying to assign blame for Trump's election anywhere but at the feet of an electorate who decided they'd rather have a felon in office than a black woman. 

The blame, at the end of the day, falls on those people who voted for that evil man and I don't care what rationale they used then or are trotting out now.  The buck stops with them. 

Exactly.

[Spartan Girl]

1 hour ago, kittykat said:

 

And people are still doubling down on their 3rd party/no vote.  They feel so so proud that they stuck to their principles and didn't vote for those corporate shilling Democrats.  Let Trump run it all to the ground that will teach us for allegedly screwing over Bernie in 2016 (HE DIDN'T HAVE THE VOTES!).

 

One minute they’re gloating about how Biden/Harris should’ve listened to them, the next they’re whining “Why are you yelling at me?! I’m just a smol bean, I’m only one voice, even if I voted it wouldn’t have made a difference!”

If I met one of these people in real life, I cannot guarantee civility on my part.

[Anela]

And the people who screamed about FEMA not helping those affected by the hurricanes (that includes trump and his lot), are really quiet now the FEMA really isn't out there helping people who lost everything to tornadoes, and they aren't out there *because* of trump. 

Edited Wednesday at 06:52 PM by Anela

[Dimity]

What is the rationale behind Trump not stepping up to help the communities affected by tornadoes?  It can't just be because he only helps red states or because he wants the governors to beg.  So far in his sorry excuse for an administration has he done anything for any area affected by a natural disaster?

Edited Wednesday at 06:57 PM by Dimity

[Lantern7]

“Hello, young people. I am Vice President Kamala Harris. I understand there’s a gap between the current administration and your generation. That said . . . how could you have forgotten Trump’s term? People DIED because he wouldn’t take the pandemic seriously. And that’s just the tip of the iceberg with him.

”Look, I know I’m not relatable. Neither is the President. I picked Tim as my running mate because he gives cool teacher energy. But at least we care about you. You’re going to vote for a proven failure because a few right-wing podcast mooks love him? Let the Fear Factor guy run for office. Trump might not get you killed, but you’ll come closer to dying if he’s back in office. Think about that.”

I don’t think that approach would’ve worked, either. I’m the type that figures that maybe violence might be the only answer. I’m thinking about The Dark Knight Returns comic, with Trump as the Mutant Leader. An aged Batman was only able to beat the hulking guy by luring him to a mud pit with most of his followers watching, slug it out, target nerve clusters to slow him down . . . then Batman broke both of the guy’s arms. Bang. No more Mutants gang.

TDKR is recommended reading. There were two DVD movies, but it’s not the same. Also, you shouldn’t read Frank Miller’s follow-up stories. Guy kinda went nuts later in life.

Edited Wednesday at 07:02 PM by Lantern7

[Anela]

6 minutes ago, Dimity said:

What is the rationale behind Trump not stepping up to help the communities affected by tornadoes?  It can't just be because he only helps red states or because he wants the governors to beg.  So far in his sorry excuse for an administration has he done anything for any area affected by a natural disaster?

Red states are the ones affected. He doesn't need their votes anymore. 

[Dimity]

2 minutes ago, Anela said:

Red states are the ones affected. He doesn't need their votes anymore. 

With the exception of California I would suggest that natural disasters disproportionately affect red states so it makes sense that he is starting as he means to go on.  Which is "no soup for you".  Not needing their votes makes sense. 

I think it probably also comes down to money.  When Trump is finally out of office there will need to be a deep dive into the govt finances to see how much money got taken out of the public coffers and into Trump and his chums pockets.

[lookeyloo]

Isn 't part of Project 2025 to dismantle the federal government?  No FEMA would be part of that plan.

[JustHereForFood]

3 hours ago, kittykat said:

And people are still doubling down on their 3rd party/no vote.  They feel so so proud that they stuck to their principles and didn't vote for those corporate shilling Democrats.  Let Trump run it all to the ground that will teach us for allegedly screwing over Bernie in 2016 (HE DIDN'T HAVE THE VOTES!).

To the 3rd/nos, what is their endgame? Do they want a complete collapse of the government and the economy? And then if that happens what do we rebuild? A Democratic Socialist paradise or an Autocratic one because when governments collapse it tends to be the latter.  These people love referencing the French revolution.  Woohoo we sent a bunch of rich people to the guillotine but then what happened when the revolutionaries turned on each other?  Fucking Napoleon is what happened.  It's one thing to want to radically change things up but have a long term plan.

Social media amplifies the worst voices. These people might be a minority, but they got used to the fact that the more loud and obnoxious they are, the more spotlight they get. Most of them probably don't have answers, just feelings and the desire to be edgy. Revolutions and wars are things that happen to other people, from poor shithole countries (they can talk about inclusiveness and uplifting voices from all backgrounds, but everyone who frequently encounters them on internet can see how little they actually think about people from other countries and backgrounds), so if they don't have parents or grandparents who were immigrants from countries destroyed by authoritarian politicians  and revolutions, they have no real frame of reference for it. For all I know it might be like a videogame to them, or a post-apocalyptic fatasy book. 

Also, all these French revolution stans seem to conveniently forget that one part of it is called Reign of Terror.

Edited Wednesday at 08:05 PM by JustHereForFood

[Anela]

The same goes for the civil war stans, who were threatening liberals, if trump lost. 

I saw video last night, about the execution of a Romanian president in 1989. There were people wishing for that to happen here. I didn't watch on Youtube, I just found this.

 

[bluegirl147]

12 minutes ago, Anela said:

The same goes for the civil war stans, who were threatening liberals, if trump lost. 

I saw video last night, about the execution of a Romanian president in 1989. There were people wishing for that to happen here. I didn't watch on Youtube, I just found this.

 

I remember when that happened.   I swear the rest of the world just shrugged it's shoulders.

[Anela]

7 minutes ago, bluegirl147 said:

I remember when that happened.   I swear the rest of the world just shrugged it's shoulders.

I've heard his name before, but I don't remember this at all. 

[peacheslatour]

5 minutes ago, Anela said:

I've heard his name before, but I don't remember this at all. 

I do. It was a bloodbath.

[Anela]

 

I haven't seen the whole visit with the South African President, but I did catch trump insulting another reporter. I didn't hear their question, but he was really attacking them. 

[peacheslatour]

10 minutes ago, Anela said:

 

I haven't seen the whole visit with the South African President, but I did catch trump insulting another reporter. I didn't hear their question, but he was really attacking them. 

That poor kid. I hope she wins!

Trump played a video in the oval office while the SA President was there about white genocide. I am so embarrassed for this country, I could go live in a cave.

[Bastet]

Remember when the gestapo feds arrested the mayor of Newark, and then dropped the charges?  Prosecutors didn't bother to tell the judge, who found out in the media.  As Mayor Baraka was heard, on a hot mic, saying after today's hearing formally dismissing the charges, the judge "tore these people a new asshole".  Federal judge Andre Espinosa reprimanded the prosecutors for more than five minutes.  Highlights:

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The hasty arrest of Newark Mayor Ras Baraka, followed swiftly by the dismissal of these trespassing charges a mere 13 days later, suggests a worrying misstep by your office.  An arrest, particularly of a public figure, is not a preliminary investigative tool. It is a severe action, carrying significant reputational and personal consequences, and it should only be undertaken after a thorough, dispassionate evaluation of credible evidence.

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Federal prosecutors serve a single paramount client: justice itself.  Your role is not to secure convictions at all costs, nor to satisfy public clamor, nor to advance political agendas. Your allegiance is to the impartial application of the law, to the pursuit of truth, and to the upholding of due process for all.

As reported here

[Cementhead]

SA President Ramaphosa to Trump: "I'm sorry I don't have a plane to give you."

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