Chit-Chat: The Feels

[Dimity]

4 minutes ago, ParadoxLost said:

Well yeah.  This is an echo chamber.

To some extent.  But this thread is just that, a single thread.  It's  a place to vent about something that many of us are deeply affected by and it is not, as per mod directive, a place where gloating will be tolerated.

[tearknee]

It irritates me when people equate intelligence with knowledge - you can be highly intelligent yet not know things that you haven't learned about. Ditto the notion that senseless cruelty and being educated do not go together -- that would be a shock to any number of military and civilian dictators or authoritarians in the 20th century alone...

[JustHereForFood]

6 minutes ago, ParadoxLost said:

Well yeah.  This is an echo chamber.

I wouldn't say so. We have just had a few exchanges between people with different opinions and those opinions were more or less respected and heard and surprise, the world didn't stop spinning because of it.

In an echo chamber, some of us would have already been sent packing.

[tearknee]

You can make more positive changes on the inside than if you are waving placards and screaming slogans on the outside.

[PRgal]

46 minutes ago, partofme said:

I was also in a nativity play in the second grade as the Virgin Mary, but I went to a Catholic school.  (My first grade class play was Christmas around the world and I was Comet the reindeer).  I don’t see any reason why a religious school wouldn’t still have a nativity play but it has no place in a public school.  
 

“Happy Holidays “ is meant to be inclusive of all cultures because you don’t know what holiday a stranger celebrates.  I always say happy holidays except on Christmas Day.  

My high school will be holding its 96th annual Nativity this year (just got an email about the reception.  Not sure if I'm going)!  It was so lovely singing in the choir - we were at the back, singing a cappella.  Non-Christian students in the choir (I don't think there were many, but they did exist) never opted out of participating.  I think for them (and their families), it was a learning experience (plus their parents signed up for this when they applied to an Anglican girls' school.  They also knew that students attend regular chapel services when they accepted the school's offer).  One of the production's BEST narrators (the entire Nativity is mimed, with a narrator reading parts of the Bible) was Muslim. I was surprised that outsiders were surprised there were non-Anglicans attending the school.  

[tearknee]

5 minutes ago, PRgal said:

My high school will be holding its 96th annual Nativity this year (just got an email about the reception.  Not sure if I'm going)!  It was so lovely singing in the choir - we were at the back, singing a cappella.  Non-Christian students in the choir (I don't think there were many, but they did exist) never opted out of participating.  I think for them (and their families), it was a learning experience (plus their parents signed up for this when they applied to an Anglican girls' school.  They also knew that students attend regular chapel services when they accepted the school's offer).  One of the production's BEST narrators (the entire Nativity is mimed, with a narrator reading parts of the Bible) was Muslim. I was surprised that outsiders were surprised there were non-Anglicans attending the school.  

Exactly. It pisses me off that left activists are saying "if it gets government assistance, it shouldn't be allowed to follow its faith's rules and practices" -- again, all these antics -- and calling them 'antics' is being KIND -- help Trump and those like him - trying to swallow their knee as their foot is so down their throat.

Several black communities were pissed off -- notably Windsor/Detroit's -- by far-leftists hijacking BLM to push stupid unrelated and ultimately derailing stuff like "defund the police!" etc. -- the last thing that these communities wanted!

[PRgal]

4 minutes ago, tearknee said:

Exactly. It pisses me off that left activists are saying "if it gets government assistance, it shouldn't be allowed to follow its faith's rules and practices" -- again, all these antics -- and calling them 'antics' is being KIND -- help Trump and those like him - trying to swallow their knee as their foot is so down their throat.

Several black communities were pissed off -- notably Windsor/Detroit's -- by far-leftists hijacking BLM to push stupid unrelated and ultimately derailing stuff like "defund the police!" etc. -- the last thing that these communities wanted!

My high school is a private school, so it doesn't matter, anyway.  But still.....in any case, the school DOES have students of other faiths/denominations (in fact, someone once said that they believed the school had more CATHOLICS than other Christian faiths.  This was in the 90s though), and has for a few decades.  Outsiders are often surprised by that, especially outsiders who are not familiar with Toronto's various independent, university preparatory schools.  Many still believe that these places are still the bastion of high WASP culture.  Nope, not so.  At least not since the 80s (or longer!).

[Palimelon]

Yeah but those people made the choice to attend the private school, no?

Edited November 15 by Palimelon

[Avaleigh]

1 hour ago, FilmTVGeek80 said:

I disagree. If people simply left it at “that person did something offensive that I don’t like and I won’t watch/listen to/buy anything they’re involved in” that would be one thing and only controlling your own behavior. But people in social media do get together and try to cancel people and end their careers. They try and force others not to hire that person. That is an example of trying to control other people’s actions.

I agree that people on social media have actively tried to cancel people. There was a Chipotle worker named Dominique Moran who was a victim of so-called cancel culture. A video circulated about her supposedly being racist to some customers. She was fired from her job, she had her name dragged through the mud, she had thousands of people sending her cruel messages, and she's still suffering from the PTSD that came from the incident where millions of people decided that she was a horrible person based off of a misleading video.

It turns out she hadn't done anything wrong at all and she was eventually vindicated, but she's a classic example of the damage that can be done when people rush to judgment to cancel somebody. 

When it comes to celebrities, it's typically a different situation. What some people call cancel culture, I generally think of as consequence culture. These are people who generally said or did something offensive and were called out on it. IMO these celebrities aren't canceled in the way that typical people are because they have the money, contacts, and resources to fight for their careers and reputations in a way the average person can't. 

It definitely isn't accurate to say that cancel culture doesn't exist, I just don't think it really applies to celebrities. The ones who are in jail or are dealing with lawsuits or charges or whatever weren't cancelled, they just had to face the consequences of their actions.

[partofme]

18 minutes ago, tearknee said:

Exactly. It pisses me off that left activists are saying "if it gets government assistance, it shouldn't be allowed to follow its faith's rules and practices" -- again, all these antics -- and calling them 'antics' is being KIND -- help Trump and those like him - trying to swallow their knee as their foot is so down their throat.

I’m confused as to what this is supposed to mean?  Separation of church and state is part of the Constitution.  Religious organizations don’t pay taxes, this is why  people have a problem when religious organizations try to get political. 
 

And I’m genuinely asking here, not trying to be snarky, I have no idea what terms like far left and leftist are supposed to represent?
 

 

Edited November 15 by partofme

[tearknee]

I was referring to leftists in other places in the anglosphere -- i'm something of an anglophile as you can tell by my use of the tragedy of Brexit.

[bluegirl147]

9 minutes ago, partofme said:

Separation of church and state is part of the Constitution.  Religious organizations don’t pay taxes, this is why  people have a problem when religious organizations try to get political. 

This is also why people have a problem with taxpayer money going towards things like some school superintendent wanting to buy bibles for public schools. Or posters of the ten commandments to hang up in public school classrooms.

[tearknee]

See your PMs, ok?

Edited November 15 by tearknee

[fastiller]

29 minutes ago, bluegirl147 said:

This is also why people have a problem with taxpayer money going towards things like some school superintendent wanting to buy bibles for public schools. Or posters of the ten commandments to hang up in public school classrooms.

I'm okay with bibles being bought for public schools and even with the 10 commandments being displayed.  I just want parity: torahs & qurans & vedas & all the other religious texts.  If you're going to display the 10 commandments, the equivalent from other religions should be alongside, including the seven tenets of Satanism, which are truly words to live by (especially III and IV (which seems pertinent to recent discussions here)):

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 I One should strive to act with compassion and empathy toward all creatures in accordance with reason.
II The struggle for justice is an ongoing and necessary pursuit that should prevail over laws and institutions.
III One’s body is inviolable, subject to one’s own will alone.
IV The freedoms of others should be respected, including the freedom to offend. To willfully and unjustly encroach upon the freedoms of another is to forgo one's own.
V Beliefs should conform to one's best scientific understanding of the world. One should take care never to distort scientific facts to fit one's beliefs.
VI People are fallible. If one makes a mistake, one should do one's best to rectify it and resolve any harm that might have been caused.
VII Every tenet is a guiding principle designed to inspire nobility in action and thought. The spirit of compassion, wisdom, and justice should always prevail over the written or spoken word.

 

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[chitowngirl]

14 hours ago, Yeah No said:

All I know about him is his campaign slogan, "Tippecanoe and Tyler Too".

Fun fact about our 10th President-he still has a living grandson!

[Dimity]

[Dimity]

14 minutes ago, chitowngirl said:

Fun fact about our 10th President-he still has a living grandson!

Interesting!  I have no idea how common or uncommon this is but it was fascinating to read about a man living in 2024 who had a grandfather born in 1790.

[ebk57]

15 minutes ago, Dimity said:

When I heard this news on the radio, I started laughing so hard that my husband came in from the other room because he thought I was crying and needed help.  Bless his heart... 

[Ohiopirate02]

9 minutes ago, Dimity said:

Interesting!  I have no idea how common or uncommon this is but it was fascinating to read about a man living in 2024 who had a grandfather born in 1790.

It's pretty rare for multiple men in the same family sire children over the age of 60. John Tyler was 63 when his son was born, and his son was 75 when his son was born.  John also had 2 more kids after that son was born. 

[Browncoat]

Re: the Nativity play -- there's a whole bloody mainstream movie about it out in theaters now.  It hasn't gone anywhere.

[JustHereForFood]

Regarding cancel culture, I think that people tend to dismiss it because the ones who usually complain about it are the ones who are far from cancelled. How is one cancelled if they complain on every platform? That's why so many of us joke that when somebody says they were cancelled for their transphobic (or as they call it now gender critical) views, it probably means that they have a new Netflix special or a book deal coming up. If someone is genuinely "cancelled", we probably won't hear much about it, certainly not their side because most media will keep their distance, apart from maybe some small independent publisher who doesn't think they have much to loose. 

[peacheslatour]

This may sound odd but I have been thinking about it. To me, Kamalas rallies were a lot of fun and had all of these major stars and everything but people are really hurting. Inflation as put so many things out of reach for so many Americans and especially young people who feel like the American Dream is a joke. I'm not blaming, I know we all loved that her rallies triggered the crap out of Donald but I wonder now if they were such a good idea.

[GHScorpiosRule]

I will say this one thing is bothering me. That pundits* are using what Clinton used as his campaign "It's the Economy, Stupid" to compare it to why Harris lost. Well, no, it's not. Because yes, the economy for those struggling was better in 2019 because we weren't in a full blown pandemic. The years since the last election was focused on President Biden, getting us out of it, making sure everyone had vaccines (if they so chose to get them), and bringing unemployment down, etc.

It's the greedy corporations that took advantage and have refused to lower the prices of...eggs**...milk, and whatever other buzzwords are out there.

It's like no one told them, hey, you remember the pandemic?

*Okay, I'm referring to Alyssa Griffith Fowler, former employee of Trump's first administration-who only felt she had to leave after she saw what happened on January 6. And is now on, yes, The View. And since November 5, no, even before the election, co-opted that phrase and has been pounding on it, ignoring that the whole world, not just the United States, was in a full blown pandemic, the likes we had never seen before.  Hey, maybe that was also a factor?

**Even before the pandemic, I can't recall the last time eggs were under a dollar.

[isalicat]

9 hours ago, Palimelon said:

 

So what is the solution? For people to say whatever they want so their feelings aren't hurt?

No, for everyone to remember what they should have been taught as children: "Sticks and stones may break my bones but words can never hurt me."

(and develop both a "thicker skin" and a sense of humor.)

[BetyBee]

On 11/13/2024 at 5:08 PM, Browncoat said:

It wouldn't surprise me in the slightest to find out he's paid for more than one.

He's more likely to promise the woman he'll pay and then not paying!

[Dimity]

35 minutes ago, isalicat said:

No, for everyone to remember what they should have been taught as children: "Sticks and stones may break my bones but words can never hurt me."

I much prefer "least said, soonest mended" myself.

[isalicat]

1 minute ago, Dimity said:

I much prefer "least said, soonest mended" myself.

That is true also! Lots of good wisdom was dispensed in the past that people have apparently forgotten or not been taught.

[Dimity]

2 minutes ago, isalicat said:

That is true also! Lots of good wisdom was dispensed in the past that people have apparently forgotten or not been taught.

Yes, and for a party so determined to be defined by Christian fundamentalism it's rather telling that they choose to completely ignore the Golden Rule "Do unto others as you would have them do unto you".

[Browncoat]

Just now, Dimity said:

Yes, and for a party so determined to be defined by Christian fundamentalism it's rather telling that they choose to completely ignore the Golden Rule "Do unto others as you would have them do unto you".

Not to mention several of the Ten Commandments that the orange menace has trampled.

[Is Everyone Gone]

3 hours ago, peacheslatour said:

From  what I'm seeing, there are a lot of young men, mainly white but also of other races who are angry at women. Period. They don't like that women have careers, they don't like that they don't need to depend on a man financially so they don't want to marry them. They feel they were owed a wife. They hate Kamala because she put a face on independent women and they want revenge, just like their Orange God.

A good friend of mine always whined that unemployment was caused by "women entering the workforce and taking away male jobs". Sadly he passed during the covid pandemic but I could never get him to think otherwise, no matter how much i pointed out how women have actually always had to work.

[JustHereForFood]

14 minutes ago, Is Everyone Gone said:

A good friend of mine always whined that unemployment was caused by "women entering the workforce and taking away male jobs". Sadly he passed during the covid pandemic but I could never get him to think otherwise, no matter how much i pointed out how women have actually always had to work.

I remember TV shows set in post-WW1 era where men had such views. Yet another thing from the 1920's that is re-emerging in 2020's.

[andromeda331]

2 hours ago, fastiller said:

I'm okay with bibles being bought for public schools and even with the 10 commandments being displayed.  I just want parity: torahs & qurans & vedas & all the other religious texts.  If you're going to display the 10 commandments, the equivalent from other religions should be alongside, including the seven tenets of Satanism, which are truly words to live by (especially III and IV (which seems pertinent to recent discussions here)):

Same here. I have no problem if other religions get to display their religious texts. 

25 minutes ago, Is Everyone Gone said:

A good friend of mine always whined that unemployment was caused by "women entering the workforce and taking away male jobs". Sadly he passed during the covid pandemic but I could never get him to think otherwise, no matter how much i pointed out how women have actually always had to work.

I don't know where the women don't work myth came from. My dad's side was farmers. Everyone worked. My maternal grandmother worked in a hospital. Her mother worked during both her marriages. They both had to work. It's never been an option.

[JustHereForFood]

Well, look who isn't popular:

[Is Everyone Gone]

26 minutes ago, andromeda331 said:

I don't know where the women don't work myth came from. My dad's side was farmers. Everyone worked. My maternal grandmother worked in a hospital. Her mother worked during both her marriages. They both had to work. It's never been an option.

I loved Rosalynn Carter's line:

“I can’t stay at home and do Cokes and teas, although I think that for those people who want to do that, then that’s surely important to them.”

Heh. When Jimmy's family peanut business was struggling, Rosalynn took over the business side. She would have had no patience for my friend, although I'm sure she would have put him in his place in the most Southern, genteel way possible.

[Ceindreadh]

5 hours ago, FilmTVGeek80 said:

I disagree. If people simply left it at “that person did something offensive that I don’t like and I won’t watch/listen to/buy anything they’re involved in” that would be one thing and only controlling your own behavior. But people in social media do get together and try to cancel people and end their careers. They try and force others not to hire that person. That is an example of trying to control other people’s actions.

 

 

3 hours ago, Avaleigh said:

When it comes to celebrities, it's typically a different situation. What some people call cancel culture, I generally think of as consequence culture. These are people who generally said or did something offensive and were called out on it. IMO these celebrities aren't canceled in the way that typical people are because they have the money, contacts, and resources to fight for their careers and reputations in a way the average person can't. 

It definitely isn't accurate to say that cancel culture doesn't exist, I just don't think it really applies to celebrities. The ones who are in jail or are dealing with lawsuits or charges or whatever weren't cancelled, they just had to face the consequences of their actions.

 

Captain Boycott has entered the chat.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_Boycott#The_word_boycott

 

[bluegirl147]

2 hours ago, GHScorpiosRule said:

I will say this one thing is bothering me. That pundits* are using what Clinton used as his campaign "It's the Economy, Stupid" to compare it to why Harris lost. Well, no, it's not. Because yes, the economy for those struggling was better in 2019 because we weren't in a full blown pandemic. The years since the last election was focused on President Biden, getting us out of it, making sure everyone had vaccines (if they so chose to get them), and bringing unemployment down, etc.

It's the greedy corporations that took advantage and have refused to lower the prices of...eggs**...milk, and whatever other buzzwords are out there.

It's like no one told them, hey, you remember the pandemic?

*Okay, I'm referring to Alyssa Griffith Fowler, former employee of Trump's first administration-who only felt she had to leave after she saw what happened on January 6. And is now on, yes, The View. And since November 5, no, even before the election, co-opted that phrase and has been pounding on it, ignoring that the whole world, not just the United States, was in a full blown pandemic, the likes we had never seen before.  Hey, maybe that was also a factor?

**Even before the pandemic, I can't recall the last time eggs were under a dollar.

If Trump had won in 2020 there most likely still would have been inflation.  And it might have been worse.  If history is any indication this Republican administration will make the economy worse and hopefully a Democratic administration will come in 2028 and fix things like they always do.

[Annber03]

9 hours ago, Yeah No said:

And yes, that works both ways too. If a few less million people didn't feel offended and had their feelings hurt by the radical left maybe they might have voted for Kamala.

Except, no. People who think that way were probably never going to vote for Kamala anyway no matter how "non-offensive" she was. And I will point out that she never once insulted any group of people while running, and never engaged in any sort of supposed "cancel culture" or things of that sort. If someone refused to vote for her because of what some random person might've said online that upset them...that's just stupid and speaks to how incredibly shallow their mindset truly is.

Trump, on the other hand, has zero propblem insulting people and saying the most offensive things imaginable and that sure as fuck didn't hurt his campaign one bit. And those of us who are upset with and offended by his rhetoric are told to suck it up and "fuck your feelings" and all that, so if that's how they want to play, well, then the same goes for any Trump supporters or people who just stayed home who refused to vote for Kamala because of some suppsoed insults from the left. 

There is not a "radical left" in this country. There just isn't. There's individuals that may fit that definition, sure, but there is not a collective radical left, and the Democratic Party as it currently stands sure as hell is not radically left. Not even close. From what I've heard, pepole in other countries laugh whenever they hear someone claim our Democratic Party is "leftist" - according to them, our Democrats would be their center right party. Which just speaks to how far to the right we've shifted in the U.S. 

8 hours ago, Palimelon said:

Actually, freedom of speech is protection to say things without facing repercussions or persecution from the government. If other people or society wants to call out people for what they say, that is THEIR right to free speech as well. And it's easy to say words don't affect you when those words aren't being addressed at you. You can have opinions but that doesn't mean the rest of us have to hear them if all they is offend people.

This. Way too many people have completely misconstrued what the phrase "freedom of speech" actually means in recent years. 

And yes, opinions are one thing, but people knowingly spreading misinformation and conspiracy theories and lies should not have their comments treated as equal to those of people who actually know what they're talking about, all to try and fit some arbitrary "let's hear both sides" way of thinking. Anyone who knowingly spreads misinformation and lies and conspiracy theories should be publicly called out and debunked as much as humanly possible, in a way that allows everyone to hear precisely how and why those sorts of beliefs are wrong and untrue. 

[PRgal]

1 hour ago, andromeda331 said:

Same here. I have no problem if other religions get to display their religious texts. 

I don't know where the women don't work myth came from. My dad's side was farmers. Everyone worked. My maternal grandmother worked in a hospital. Her mother worked during both her marriages. They both had to work. It's never been an option.

Probably meant office work and maybe teaching/nursing.  Otherwise, women always worked (one of my great grandmothers took over her husband’s business after he passed.  Another didn’t work because she was a lady and her job was to marry well and produce male children.  She had my great uncle and three girls.  She also had to deal with “sister wives.”  I believe one other was a farmer’s wife, so she worked.  Not sure about the fourth.  My dad doesn’t know since his mom never talked much about her.  My dad believes she was a concubine and not the first/main wife.  Again, her “job” was to produce children).

[Annber03]

3 hours ago, JustHereForFood said:

Regarding cancel culture, I think that people tend to dismiss it because the ones who usually complain about it are the ones who are far from cancelled. How is one cancelled if they complain on every platform? That's why so many of us joke that when somebody says they were cancelled for their transphobic (or as they call it now gender critical) views, it probably means that they have a new Netflix special or a book deal coming up. If someone is genuinely "cancelled", we probably won't hear much about it, certainly not their side because most media will keep their distance, apart from maybe some small independent publisher who doesn't think they have much to loose. 

Yeah, that's the part that bugs me the most. "I've been cancelled/silenced! It's not fair! Let me tell you on every TV show/stand up special/in every book I write just how cancelled and silenced I am!" Just shut up with that nonsense. Literally :p. 

Regarding the religion in schools thing, I just don't think there's any reason we need to have any religious documents of any sort in a public school setting at all. That's what churches and private religious schools are for. If people want that stuff, they can go look at and read it there.

But yes, if one must insist on bringing rleigious stuffi nto public schools, then either everyone gets their time or nobody does. 

5 hours ago, partofme said:

I’m confused as to what this is supposed to mean?  Separation of church and state is part of the Constitution.  Religious organizations don’t pay taxes, this is why  people have a problem when religious organizations try to get political. 

This. So many of these peple who keep trying to push religion into politics forget that that pesky "separation of church and state" thing they claim to hate so much protects them, too. It means that the government can't come in and regulate how they get to run their particular place of worship, or force everyone to follow a specific religion or specific denomination within one of the major religions. Even within the Christian faith there's multiple denominations, so for those who insist we're a Christian country, whose version of Christianity would get prioritized in that case? I guarantee if a Democratic president came in and told them, "Okay, this is how our government wants people of this Christian sect to run their church" or started demanding taxes, ohhhhhhh, the religious right would suddenly be all for keeping religion and politics separate. 

Edited November 16 by Annber03

[Spartan Girl]

1 hour ago, bluegirl147 said:

If Trump had won in 2020 there most likely still would have been inflation.  And it might have been worse.  If history is any indication this Republican administration will make the economy worse and hopefully a Democratic administration will come in 2028 and fix things like they always do.

And hopefully by then people will have been burned out by Trump and his ilk for good. But as we’ve seen in the past, nobody ever appreciates how Democrats help the economy. They get all the blame and none of the credit. 

[Dimity]

6 minutes ago, Spartan Girl said:

But as we’ve seen in the past, nobody ever appreciates how Democrats help the economy.

We have the same experience here.  Liberals get blasted for spending, the Conservatives get in and cut and slash and everyone says "oh no they didn't say they'd cut health and education (hint: sure they did)".  Liberals get back in put money back into programs that actually help people and, well, lather, rinse, repeat.

[Avaleigh]

55 minutes ago, Annber03 said:

This. So many of these peple who keep trying to push religion into politics forget that that pesky "separation of church and state" thing they claim to hate so much protects them, too. It means that the government can't come in and regulate how they get to run their particular place of worship, or force everyone to follow a specific religion or specific denomination within one of the major religions. Even within the Christian faith there's multiple denominations, so for those who insist we're a Christian country, whose version of Christianity would get prioritized in that case? I guarantee if a Democratic president came in and told them, "Okay, this is how our government wants people of this Christian sect to run their church" or started demanding taxes, ohhhhhhh, the religious right would suddenly be all for keeping religion and politics separate.

I agree with all of this. 

What I find confusing about the religious right is how often their politicians and policies would fail the WWJD test. 

It's a mystery how people are able to buy the idea that Trump is some great defender of Christianity. I'm not a religious person at all, but I attended Catholic school and religious studies were required. There's nothing about Trump that indicates he values any of the lessons from the Bible he likes to use as a prop. He's greedy, unmerciful, selfish, egotistical, lustful, gluttonous, a liar, a cheat, a criminal--he covets stuff that other people have, he's swayed by money and power above all things, etc. The list goes on and on with him. Harris might not be Christ like, but between the two of them, at least I don't question her basic humanity. 

I very much value the separation of church and state. Women get the short end of the stick too often when it comes to religion. I don't want people forcing religion into our public schools. 

[peacheslatour]

 Yeah, that's the part that bugs me the most. "I've been cancelled/silenced! It's not fair! Let me tell you on every TV show/stand up special/in every book I write just how cancelled and silenced I am!" Just shut up with that nonsense. Literally :p. 

 

[Is Everyone Gone]

A good example is Ellen whining on her Netflix special that she was canceled for "being mean."

It's a flippant comment that doesn't acknowledge many of the abusive, exploitative work practices that happened under her watch. It wasn't just being "mean." Hollywood is a very mean town. It was her fostering an abusive, unprofessional work environment.

[Annber03]

11 minutes ago, Is Everyone Gone said:

A good example is Ellen whining on her Netflix special that she was canceled for "being mean."

It's a flippant comment that doesn't acknowledge many of the abusive, exploitative work practices that happened under her watch. It wasn't just being "mean." Hollywood is a very mean town. It was her fostering an abusive, unprofessional work environment.

Ooooh, yeah, I didn't see that special but I read a review of it online and saw some of those quotes and I was like, "Well. That is certainly...a response." 

[Lantern7]

From Facebook: The Daily Show “fixes” recent footage of the GOP.

[Is Everyone Gone]

Pete Hegseth has an SA allegation against him.

That's so incredibly on brand for the Trump admin. Only the best people ...

[Eri]

4 hours ago, Annber03 said:

This. So many of these peple who keep trying to push religion into politics forget that that pesky "separation of church and state" thing they claim to hate so much protects them, too. It means that the government can't come in and regulate how they get to run their particular place of worship, or force everyone to follow a specific religion or specific denomination within one of the major religions. Even within the Christian faith there's multiple denominations, so for those who insist we're a Christian country, whose version of Christianity would get prioritized in that case? I guarantee if a Democratic president came in and told them, "Okay, this is how our government wants people of this Christian sect to run their church" or started demanding taxes, ohhhhhhh, the religious right would suddenly be all for keeping religion and politics separate. 

Agreed.  I'd go even further to say this isn't a Christian nation - it is a nation where you have the freedom to be Christian. Two very distinct differences.

 

 

Edited November 16 by Eri

[Soapy Goddess]

19 hours ago, Palimelon said:

 

So what is the solution? For people to say whatever they want so their feelings aren't hurt?

Isn't that what "woke" was all about? Bastardizing the English language so certain people don't get their feelings hurt? What one person finds offensive doesn't necessarily relate to others. It's subjective. Don Rickles made a living out of being "offensive". He did it with humor and nobody complained or protested. The entire country does not have to agree with what one faction thinks is offensive.

18 hours ago, Yeah No said:

We will just have to agree to disagree on what constitutes respect and disrespect. I try to respect people's feelings but I often don't feel like mine are respected in return when having these discussions. I feel like unless I march lock-step with a certain agenda I am not respected, in fact I am insulted, ignored or even cancelled. A lot of well known people have been cancelled just for airing a slightly moderate opinion. I don't call that respectful OR tolerant.

My thoughts exactly!

[Soapy Goddess]

17 hours ago, Palimelon said:

No, being are being cancelled for saying offensive things. People are people cancelled for ignoring people's requests to not keep saying offensive things. That is what real disrespect is.

If I'm not saying anything offensive to that person's face, why should it matter what I say behind closed doors? You can't control what people say when they're not around those who are easily offended.