Chit-Chat: The Feels

[bluegirl147]

Just now, lookeyloo said:

I thought so too, but the other day heard J. Michael Luttig, a well known conservative former judge, and he said that case of immunity applied specifically to DJT. Does anyone know if that is true?  

I always thought that was SCOTUS's intent.  Not that they could say that but they had no intention of any other president enjoying that same freedom.

[Palimelon]

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There is a darkness that didn't used to be here and it's not going away easily.

The darkness has always been there. You're just seeing it and hearing it more thanks to social media and the 24 hour news cycle, and emboldened by the political landscape of the last few decades (beginning from the days of good old Newt Gingrich).

Basically one side has never accepted that they lost the Civil War.

Edited November 6 by Palimelon

[bluegirl147]

4 minutes ago, Palimelon said:

Basically one side has never accepted that they lost the Civil War.

Or women having the right to vote.  Or same sex marriage.

[kittykat]

31 minutes ago, bluegirl147 said:

You mean Trump voters won't be lining up to do all those jobs they said were being stolen from them?

Nope they'll lean on mass incarceration and "work release" programs which will evolve to "forced labor" programs to save a penny for the corporate overlords.  

[heatherchandler]

39 minutes ago, Makai said:

independents turned out in massive numbers. They tied republicans with 34% of the vote and democrats were slightly behind at 32%. In 2020, independents were 26% of the vote so they were the deciding factor

So independent voters turned out for Trump?  That is interesting.

[JustHereForFood]

4 hours ago, Browncoat said:

I am depressed.

Same, and I'm not even American.

My condolences to all sensible Americans, which I believe includes most of the people here. And also to the rest of us who will end up feeling the consequences as well, even if we didn't get a vote.

[Makai]

43 minutes ago, SeanBug said:

The thing is, it's not like we're asking people to become experts in quantum physics, or figure out how to cure cancer. Economics is pretty basic. And the facts and historic record of what happened during the pandemic and after are right there for anyone who knows how to use Google to read and learn. FFS I barely got thru Sophomore geometry. Donnie will tank the economy and Dems will get to come in and save everyone.....again. 

Yes! It’s so basic. Companies pay more for parts and products and pass the increase on to consumers. It’s on the level of a grade school math problem. The same people have no problem with the concept when they oppose minimum wage increases. 
But, Trump lies and says he’s going to tax China and people just take it at face value. 

[shapeshifter]

1 hour ago, SeanBug said:

new young voters broke for Trump.  Men and women.  I guess they think this is a joke or just some weird stuff they saw on TikTok and not a big deal. 

In 2016 an ESL coworker who did clerical work in both the college library where we worked and at the public library said she planned to vote for Trump "because I think he's funny." Another coworker took time to explain things to her, and she arrived at a different conclusion. But I suspect she is an atypical, quick-minded, openhearted exception to those who don't have the political experience to make the choices that really align with their beliefs and goals. 

After that interaction, I always get a sick feeling when I hear young people or newer citizens or just naive people say things like: "I like him because he's funny."

And he's not ever funny.

 

 

1 hour ago, Palimelon said:

Well, Biden, as a non-candidate did get sweeping immunity from the Supreme Court, let's hope he uses his last 2 months to do what he can to impede Trump's agenda

I hope he is regretting not stepping aside a lot earlier, and feels that he owes us some of his Powers of Immunity. We'll have to wait and see if anything comes to fruition.

[Annber03]

9 hours ago, Soapy Goddess said:

I prefer to take a "wait & see" attitude.

Except a lot of people will not be able to afford to "wait and see" what happens. That's not exactly a comforting attitude for those who are about to lose so many important and significant rights. 

As for men who just can't seem to bring themselves to vote for a woman or who think that they're somehow emasculated by women and LGBTQ+ having equal rights? All I can say is, they all need to learn to grow a pair. Amazing how they can pride themselves on being tough manly men, but cower at the thought of a woman being in charge. 

[PRgal]

2 hours ago, SeanBug said:

Who is telling boys they can't speak their minds? I'm not around young children, so I don't know how this is happening.  If they think speaking their mind is calling people names and bullying, then yeah they can't do that. 

I keep hearing from conservative pundits about how young men and boys are killing themselves because they're so depressed that they are always being attacked.  But I don't hear any news reports on this so called phenomenon. 

Women and minorities are being targeted and losing their rights, but men can't say whatever they want whenever they want and they're the victims? 

I call bullshit. 

If we keep on telling boys and young men that they have male privilege and that they shouldn't complain then yes, there will be issues.  Because not all boys are privileged, not even White, Christian boys.  Do we know what's going on at home?  Maybe they're on welfare.  Maybe they have trouble learning.  A lot of boys are pinned for learning issues before girls are (and yes, that's another problem in itself - girls who are ASD aren't being flagged enough.  Including yours truly).  If you're interested on this topic, there's a new book by Ruth Whippman called BoyMom: Reimagining Boyhood in the Age of Impossible Masculinity

[Palimelon]

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And also to the rest of us who will end up feeling the consequences as well

People in other parts of the world have already. It's emboldened more authoritarian and Trump-style demogogues and hate-filled leaders throughout Europe, and even in places like Canada and Australia. Imagine how much more to the right they will be shifting in the next 4 years.

[shapeshifter]

19 minutes ago, Makai said:

people just take it at face value

My favorite all time meme:

(posted above by @Makai)

It explains so much.
I'm the lady in the blue top, but nobody's listening.

Like, now that I'm trying (mostly unsuccessfully) to adapt to using a CPAP device, I think I've figured out where his Hannibal Lecter schtick comes from.

 

Edited November 6 by shapeshifter

[Annber03]

2 hours ago, Ohiopirate02 said:

I'm in my mid 40s and single with no kids. There are times when I do regret the choices I made that led me to this, but not really. I woke up this morning feeling relief and content (and a few other things I am working through) that I never married nor had any daughters. I am also grieving for the world my niece and all of the other girls I know will now grow up in.

Same. I am 40, and I haven't dated since high school. And this is not exactly convincing me to start, nor is it convincing me to have children. Not when I know there are apparently this many fragile man-children running around out there. 

I have a young niece, too. I'm also grieving. 

Edited November 6 by Annber03

[Jalyn]

Perhaps it doesn't make a lot of sense to call half of the adult population of the US stupid, racist, misogynistic, or all three. 

(I'd put a line in here about not name calling liberals, but that's not a problem in this thread.)

People disagree with you. They may see the same issues that you do and think that the way that you want to solve it is incorrect. They may prioritize things differently than you do. That does not make them bad people who need to be ostracized. It means you disagree. 

I feel like I repeat this speech on far too regular a basis. 

[Palimelon]

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It means you disagree. 

Over pizza toppings, yes.

Also, there has to be a better way of solving problems than electing people who will implement racist, homophobic, misogynistic, and xenophobic policies while only protecting the wealth of the top 10% of the country.

I mean, sorry, but electing people like that is stupid.

 

Edited November 6 by Palimelon

[Annber03]

When people vote for someone who says vile things about women on a daily basis, someone who actively stacked the courts to ensure that a very important right for women is overturned, what exactly am I supposed to call them, if not sexist/misogynist? At the very least, none of that stuff bothers them enough to be a dealbreaker. 

There are no "two sides" when it comes to people's basic civil and human rights. You* either support them, or you don't. And if you don't, then what exactly are others supposed to think at that point? We have to deal with being mocked for being "childless cat ladies", we have to listen to Trump say horrifically offensive things about women and immigrants on a daily basis, we have to listen to a bunch of fearmongering nonsense about LGBTQ+ people being "groomers" and "pedos". 

But yeah, heaven forbid we respond by calling all of that for what it is, because it might hurt some peoplle's feelings. What about OUR feelings? Do those not matter? We're always the ones who have to mind our language, but those who go after women and marginialized groups never have to change how they speak about them. 

*General "you". 

1 hour ago, shapeshifter said:

I hope he is regretting not stepping aside a lot earlier

Seriously, for all the hand wringing that happened this past summer after Biden's debate performance, I honestly wonder if people are now thinking we should've just stuck with him. 

2 hours ago, bluegirl147 said:

I always thought that was SCOTUS's intent.  Not that they could say that but they had no intention of any other president enjoying that same freedom.

That's the most infuriating part of all of this for me. None of this would even be an issue at all if he'd been permanently barred from ever being allowed to run again after January 6th, or after being declared a convicted felon. January 6th should've been the end of his political career. Full stop. It sure as fuck would've been for any other politiician. 

Edited November 6 by Annber03

[kittykat]

On a not so lighter note, what do we all think the LWT crew is planning?  Pretty sure next episode is the season finale and I'm certain John Oliver is blowing up 2024 with a musical number that will need to surpass "Eat shit Bob!"

Edited November 6 by kittykat

[Anela]

22 minutes ago, Jalyn said:

Perhaps it doesn't make a lot of sense to call half of the adult population of the US stupid, racist, misogynistic, or all three. 

(I'd put a line in here about not name calling liberals, but that's not a problem in this thread.)

People disagree with you. They may see the same issues that you do and think that the way that you want to solve it is incorrect. They may prioritize things differently than you do. That does not make them bad people who need to be ostracized. It means you disagree. 

I feel like I repeat this speech on far too regular a basis. 

He ran on pure hatred, every time.  

[PRgal]

16 minutes ago, Palimelon said:

Over pizza toppings, yes.

Also, there has to be a better way of solving problems than electing people who will implement racist, homophobic, misogynistic, and xenophobic policies while only protecting the wealth of the top 10% of the country.

I mean, sorry, but electing people like that is stupid.

 

Not the top 10%.  The top 0.0000001%.  Having a six figure income isn't going to get you too far in many parts.  

[Notabug]

On 11/6/2024 at 2:35 PM, Jalyn said:

Perhaps it doesn't make a lot of sense to call half of the adult population of the US stupid, racist, misogynistic, or all three. 

(I'd put a line in here about not name calling liberals, but that's not a problem in this thread.)

People disagree with you. They may see the same issues that you do and think that the way that you want to solve it is incorrect. They may prioritize things differently than you do. That does not make them bad people who need to be ostracized. It means you disagree. 

I feel like I repeat this speech on far too regular a basis. 

I don't think that everyone who voted for the winner is stupid, misogynistic or racist; but there is no doubt that a significant part of his support comes from those areas.  The American Nazi Party endorsed him for president and he didn't even have the nerve to announce that he does not support them or their beliefs in any way.  If one supports a candidate who spews racist, homophobic and misogynistic garbage daily and who welcomes the support of those who hold those beliefs, then, yes, those who vote for him for other reasons are going to be stained with the same brush; no matter what their personal reasons are for their vote.  

If a Trump supporter does not, at the very least, acknowledge his courtship of hate groups and denounce them and their beliefs; then I don't think I'm out of line for thinking that that person is not a very good judge of character and perhaps places their own comfort and beliefs ahead of the welfare of the rest of the population.  History is full of examples of supposedly decent people who supported a corrupt leader because it was personally convenient for them.  History doesn't treat them kindly.

 

Edited November 8 by Notabug

[Annber03]

I'm just tired of hearing people say that the left are the ones who need to reach across the aisle and need to be nice and accepting and tolerant. When is anyone going to tell the right they need to do that? 

If anything, the Democrats have played too nice for far too long, so this idea that they're somehow the party who needs to mind their language is...laughable, at best. 

[SeanBug]

1 hour ago, PRgal said:

If we keep on telling boys and young men that they have male privilege and that they shouldn't complain then yes, there will be issues.  Because not all boys are privileged, not even White, Christian boys.  Do we know what's going on at home?  Maybe they're on welfare.  Maybe they have trouble learning.  A lot of boys are pinned for learning issues before girls are (and yes, that's another problem in itself - girls who are ASD aren't being flagged enough.  Including yours truly).  If you're interested on this topic, there's a new book by Ruth Whippman called BoyMom: Reimagining Boyhood in the Age of Impossible Masculinity

Oh I didn't mean at all that we should tell boys they are privileged and shouldn't complain. My point was "are we finding out what they feel bad about?" Do you think girls are being giving advantages?  If so, why? Is it an advantage or just giving girls the opportunity?  Explain that everyone should be treated the same and given the opportunity for whatever they choose if they want that. 

Are teachers biased toward girls? Probably a little because historically girls are less likely to cause disruptions in class. Then address that issue. 

I'm going to talk to the young men at work that I'm friends with (mid to late 20s) and see if they experienced this in school. Just to understand it. 

 

[mostlylurking]

Although I hate the outcome, it’s not surprising.  Dems didn’t have a strong enough candidate.  And it pains me to say it, but this country is not ready to vote for a woman president. Backwards, but it’s true. We elected a black man and patted ourselves on the back but guess what he was a black MAN.

I also do have to give it to the past and future (god help us) POTUS - he and his team put in the work and managed to win over groups never thought possible.  Latinos, blacks, entire states.  I won’t ever understand it but I have to give them credit for that.

This person gets away with things no politician or civilian would ever be able to get away with, on either side of the aisle.  It’s absurd.

Edited November 6 by mostlylurking

[athousandclowns]

2 hours ago, bluegirl147 said:

I always thought that was SCOTUS's intent.  Not that they could say that but they had no intention of any other president enjoying that same freedom.

I just got a text to sign Chuck Schumer’s  “ No Kings Act” that would strip Trump of his immunity. I’m all out of donation money ,wish I could have signed it. 

[SeanBug]

11 minutes ago, Annber03 said:

I'm just tired of hearing people say that the left are the ones who need to reach across the aisle and need to be nice and accepting and tolerant. When is anyone going to tell the right they need to do that? 

If anything, the Democrats have played too nice for far too long, so this idea that they're somehow the party who needs to mind their language is...laughable, at best. 

Explain to me how voters didn't want an old white guy, but look who won. 

They had an older white man who was kind, empathetic, worked his ass off, and had an administration inherit a nightmare scenario and brought us out of it.  Didn't want him so we got the brilliant former DA, AG, Senator and current VP. Who is 12 years younger. 

And they choose the old white guy who's batshit crazy, a felon, and a serial harasser. 

I give up. 

 

[PRgal]

8 minutes ago, SeanBug said:

Oh I didn't mean at all that we should tell boys they are privileged and shouldn't complain. My point was "are we finding out what they feel bad about?" Do you think girls are being giving advantages?  If so, why? Is it an advantage or just giving girls the opportunity?  Explain that everyone should be treated the same and given the opportunity for whatever they choose if they want that. 

Are teachers biased toward girls? Probably a little because historically girls are less likely to cause disruptions in class. Then address that issue. 

I'm going to talk to the young men at work that I'm friends with (mid to late 20s) and see if they experienced this in school. Just to understand it. 

 

I feel that in many places, males are gaslighted for even saying they have issues/using analogies to better understand how others feel or what their experiences are.  Heck, even as a woman, I've been gaslighted/told to "shut up" and "listen," when I'm just trying to better understand where the other person/people are coming from.  The analogy thing is not unusual for those of us who are neurodiverse...or even neurotypical people.  

I don't think girls/women are necessarily given more advantages, just that they're encouraged to try things that have historically been closed to them while boys/young men are not being encouraged to try things that are stereotypically female.  Like the kindergarten teacher example I wrote about upthread.  How many women doctors do you know versus male RNs?

[Bastet]

1 hour ago, PRgal said:

If we keep on telling boys and young men that they have male privilege and that they shouldn't complain then yes, there will be issues.  Because not all boys are privileged, not even White, Christian boys.  Do we know what's going on at home?  Maybe they're on welfare.  Maybe they have trouble learning. 

Then they're hampered by their economic status, or their disability.  They still have male privilege, so they don't have to also deal with institutional sexism, while girls of their economic status or with the same disability do.

[SusieQ]

I am heartbroken. I am scared for many folks, don't have to give the list, we all know who I mean. 

I am white, older, able to afford my home and food, live in a blue state/city. Someone who his policies won't have much of an effect on. But I fear for my kid and my nieces and nephews who will have to live with a planet that's being destroyed.I

I am just so sad.

[Enigma X]

46 minutes ago, Annber03 said:

I'm just tired of hearing people say that the left are the ones who need to reach across the aisle and need to be nice and accepting and tolerant. When is anyone going to tell the right they need to do that? 

If anything, the Democrats have played too nice for far too long, so this idea that they're somehow the party who needs to mind their language is...laughable, at best. 

I have said this before Trump ever ran for office. Hopefully, we are finally learning something!

[PRgal]

4 minutes ago, Bastet said:

Then they're hampered by their economic status, or their disability.  They still have male privilege, so they don't have to also deal with institutional sexism, while girls of their economic status or with the same disability do.

But they're (often) told they can't share because they have said privilege.  That's the gaslighting I'm talking about.  We need to allow them to share and have a voice.  This is no different from immigrant parents telling their kids they can't possibly be depressed because they live in a nice house in a nice neighbourhood and attend a good school.  That the parents sacrificed A LOT just so they could have that "good life."  I'm telling you this because I know people in my cultural community who have experienced that.  Heck, I've sort of had that experience myself.  Until I basically forced my parents to attend a seminar on Asian mental health awareness.  That I organized for a mental health awareness institute.

[SeanBug]

2 hours ago, shapeshifter said:

After that interaction, I always get a sick feeling when I hear young people or newer citizens or just naive people say things like: "I like him because he's funny."

And he's not ever funny.

Not intentionally, that's for sure.  I do laugh and cringe at that batshit music fest he held with the swaying.  But in a horrified WTF IS HAPPENING?? way, Not like I laugh at Nick on New Girl when he called birds "wind mice". 

But i get what you're saying.  People do not realize the gravity of the situation. This isn't American Idol. This is our lives and our relationships with foreign countries, which we have to maintain. 

[Bookish Jen]

I am livid, heartbroken, and numb. It feels like 9/11 all over again.

[Bastet]

1 minute ago, PRgal said:

But they're (often) told they can't share because they have said privilege.

Boys and men are free to share their experiences to their heart's content.  I just will not spend one moment listening to the ones who deny male privilege plays a role in their life, even as they are marginalized by other factors.  And men with every privilege there is still have problems, of course, but they're individual, not institutional.  That's a simple fact, and I don't have time for the people who won't acknowledge that.

[SeanBug]

30 minutes ago, PRgal said:

I feel that in many places, males are gaslighted for even saying they have issues/using analogies to better understand how others feel or what their experiences are.  Heck, even as a woman, I've been gaslighted/told to "shut up" and "listen," when I'm just trying to better understand where the other person/people are coming from.  The analogy thing is not unusual for those of us who are neurodiverse...or even neurotypical people.  

I don't think girls/women are necessarily given more advantages, just that they're encouraged to try things that have historically been closed to them while boys/young men are not being encouraged to try things that are stereotypically female.  Like the kindergarten teacher example I wrote about upthread.  How many women doctors do you know versus male RNs?

I've had several female doctors and I know a few male RNs. One of the male RNs is 80 years old. So he was doing it back in the 60s or 70s. 

If anyone is being told to shut up or listen when they try to explain or ask questions, that is wrong. I can't speak for all teachers, employers etc. 

[PRgal]

2 minutes ago, Bastet said:

Boys and men are free to share their experiences to their heart's content.  I just will not spend one moment listening to the ones who deny male privilege plays a role in their life, even as they are marginalized by other factors.  And men with every privilege there is still have problems, of course, but they're individual, not institutional.  That's a simple fact, and I don't have time for the people who won't acknowledge that.

I'm still saying they're not encouraged/allowed to share (and that telling them they should be happy that they're guys is nowhere CLOSE to enough and in fact, very dismissive and insulting) and I'm sticking to it.  

 

@SeanBug:  But how many MORE female doctors do you know versus male RNs?  Female elementary school teachers vs. guys, especially at the lowest grades?  What about preschool?

Edited November 6 by PRgal

[lookeyloo]

I am sad and disappointed too. I just can't be friends or associate with anyone who voted for him. I have trouble being with them because I know where their values and beliefs are. Even if they are nice to my face and I am nice to theirs.  This includes family members too.  I will always be polite but not seek out or accept opportunities to be with them. 

[PRgal]

15 minutes ago, lookeyloo said:

I am sad and disappointed too. I just can't be friends or associate with anyone who voted for him. I have trouble being with them because I know where their values and beliefs are. Even if they are nice to my face and I am nice to theirs.  This includes family members too.  I will always be polite but not seek out or accept opportunities to be with them. 

What’s crazier is that there are people he hates who voted for him.  Women, people from certain cultural groups, etc.  All because they can’t see a woman in power.  

[tearknee]

9 hours ago, PRgal said:

@SeanBug:  I don’t think it’s the Democratic Party, but patriarchy in general and society’s expectations of boys and men.  I’m part of the Xennial cohort and all through my middle school and high school years, was told I could be anything and that women could achieve anything.  This was when they REALLY began to push STEM on girls.  But nothing really changed for boys.  We don’t talk a lot about “non-traditional careers” for guys and definitely not encouraged like they are for girls (let’s put it this way:  I was introduced to my first male kindergarten teacher last year.  He was my son’s teacher and not the full fledged classroom teacher (but had the qualifications to be a full teacher).  It’s still less okay for boys to show their emotions and if very young ones DO, they’re labelled as disruptive.  And they still don’t help around the house as much as they should.  The second shift is very real.  Dads in mom-dad households still aren’t sharing their parenting roles equally - how many dads do you see taking their kids to the doctor?  Ask your friends with young children:  who is RSVP-ing to birthday parties?  Who plans the party? Volunteers at school?   There are exceptions to the rule, but in general, it’s still Mom.  What we need to do is make things okay.  Only that can end the patriarchy.  

With school positions, particularly pre-school-sixth grade, there's still a strong beleif that men who want to work with children... :( and also, anti-child abuse PSAs still overwhelming use girls.

The general public mis-reading feminist ideology as intending to treat boys and men as predators, the enemy and as a problem to be solved is partly why this has happened and also why attempts at outreach to boys over the last several decades have largely struggled to cut through.

[Anela]

1 hour ago, Annber03 said:

I'm just tired of hearing people say that the left are the ones who need to reach across the aisle and need to be nice and accepting and tolerant. When is anyone going to tell the right they need to do that? 

If anything, the Democrats have played too nice for far too long, so this idea that they're somehow the party who needs to mind their language is...laughable, at best. 

I've said the exact same thing to friends. When we started to get angry, the opposing party would just say, "so much for the party of tolerance" - meaning, we are just supposed to accept everything, and never expect anything to change. They can say and do whatever they want, and we're supposed to nod and smile. 

 

[Bastet]

14 minutes ago, Anela said:

"so much for the party of tolerance"

I always paraphrase, as appropriate to the conversation, from The West Wing whenever that stuff about tolerating intolerance is trotted out.  A new character is introduced, and she had clerked for a right-wing Supreme Court Justice.  Her new boss says that justice is an idiot, which results in him being chastised to "practice some tolerance for those who disagree with us".

He responds with:  I believe as long as Justice Dreifort is intolerant toward gays, lesbians, blacks, unions, women, poor people, and the First, Fourth, Fifth, and Ninth amendments, I will remain intolerant toward him.

Sadly, I have additional groups to list when I say it.

Edited November 6 by Bastet

[Ohiopirate02]

8 minutes ago, tearknee said:

With school positions, particularly pre-school-sixth grade, there's still a strong beleif that men who want to work with children... :( and also, anti-child abuse PSAs still overwhelming use girls.

The general public mis-reading feminist ideology as intending to treat boys and men as predators, the enemy and as a problem to be solved is partly why this has happened and also why attempts at outreach to boys over the last several decades have largely struggled to cut through.

It's also the money or lack of money that prevents young men from thinking about education or nursing as viable careers. You can't raise your sons with the expectation that they will be breadwinners on a salary and get them to consider a career that pays slightly more than minimum wage (in some states).  

[khyber]

56 minutes ago, SusieQ said:

I am heartbroken. I am scared for many folks, don't have to give the list, we all know who I mean. 

I am white, older, able to afford my home and food, live in a blue state/city. Someone who his policies won't have much of an effect on. But I fear for my kid and my nieces and nephews who will have to live with a planet that's being destroyed.I

I am just so sad.

I've had this exact conversation today.

[kittykat]

56 minutes ago, SusieQ said:

I am heartbroken. I am scared for many folks, don't have to give the list, we all know who I mean. 

I am white, older, able to afford my home and food, live in a blue state/city. Someone who his policies won't have much of an effect on. But I fear for my kid and my nieces and nephews who will have to live with a planet that's being destroyed.I

I am just so sad.

Right.  I live in probably the safest state one can be in right now (Emperor Bezos notwithstanding), but my heart aches for those in red states.  Women who will die because they can't get preventative care, women in abusive situations who will have an escape/safety net pulled out from under them, LGBTQIA groups who face persecution, non Christian religious groups, etc.  I did not vote for myself, I voted for this country's greater good.

I'm most upset at Trump voters but I'm still irate at the non voters who stayed home bEcAuSe GaZa! And are still all over the Internet preaching bothsidesism.  Don't get me wrong I want Palestine freed and at peace, I truly do.  But when it came to my vote, domestic issues took precedent in my decision.

[Palimelon]

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I'm most upset at Trump voters but I'm still irate at the non voters who stayed home bEcAuSe GaZa! And are still all over the Internet preaching bothsidesism.  Don't get me wrong I want Palestine freed and at peace, I truly do.  But when it came to my vote, domestic issues took precedent in my decision.

And this is why the Democrats will keep losing. If they haven't figured it out yet, then there really is no hope for America.

[tearknee]

About Gaza -- as with their grandparents (my parents) generation and North Vietnam, *all* of the Palestinian people will NOT be "liberated" by any of the Palestinian groups with any effective power. Not caring who they are siding with is why i despise these "Free, Free Palestine" lot.

[DXD526]

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I don't think girls/women are necessarily given more advantages, just that they're encouraged to try things that have historically been closed to them while boys/young men are not being encouraged to try things that are stereotypically female

I don't think it has anything to do with encouragement. So many males think it's degrading to take a traditionally female job, so they don't even consider it. Doing a 'woman's job' is beneath them. 

And it's that way with things associated with women across the board. Who wants to 'throw like a girl'? Society is sending constant messages to boys growing up that they're more valuable than women. So of course they'd be humiliated doing 'women's work.' No one needs to dissuade them. They get the message loud and clear.

So incredibly demoralized by yesterday's events.  The Republican party in America today: men who loathe women, and the self-loathing women who love them. 

[peacheslatour]

2 hours ago, Palimelon said:

People in other parts of the world have already. It's emboldened more authoritarian and Trump-style demogogues and hate-filled leaders throughout Europe, and even in places like Canada and Australia. Imagine how much more to the right they will be shifting in the next 4 years.

I wish I could find a link to this article.

"The great genius of the Putin-Musk-Trump ticket was to disguise historical geopolitical capture as standard partisan conflict. The bulk of Republicans & indeed the overwhelming majority of the American public has no idea of the severity or consequences of what has happened." -Dave Troy 

[RealHousewife]

I really appreciate this thread. Haven’t had a chance to discuss the news much with family or friends yet, and don’t want to get into it at work for obvious reasons.

I am scared due to multiple factors, but hesitate to get into the political stuff due to board rules. Hopefully it’s okay to say that I feel more emotional about it this time around because that individual reminds me of someone who harassed me at a previous job. Big hug to all fellow Americans and those abroad who are also nervous about what the news means not just for us but for their own countries as well. 

I do ditto a lot of the posts above and wish more people voted even if a candidate they were really excited about wasn’t an option. I would be happy to get into more into why if that’s allowed. I normally discuss TV and other fluff on the board, but if polite political conversations are possible here, that would be awesome. 

[Annber03]

3 minutes ago, DXD526 said:

I don't think it has anything to do with encouragement. So many males think it's degrading to take a traditionally female job, so they don't even consider it. Doing a 'woman's job' is beneath them. 

And it's that way with things associated with women across the board. Who wants to 'throw like a girl'? Society is sending constant messages to boys growing up that they're more valuable than women. So of course they'd be humiliated doing 'women's work.' No one needs to dissuade them. They get the message loud and clear.

So incredibly demoralized by yesterday's events.  The Republican party in America today: men who loathe women, and the self-loathing women who love them. 

Yep. Too many men just still can't get over their perceived threats to their masculinity. I have said before that the whole freakout over transgender women in sports is just the age old, "But what if I get beat by a GIRL?!?1" with a new face. 

[Ohiopirate02]

12 minutes ago, peacheslatour said:

I wish I could find a link to this article.

"The great genius of the Putin-Musk-Trump ticket was to disguise historical geopolitical capture as standard partisan conflict. The bulk of Republicans & indeed the overwhelming majority of the American public has no idea of the severity or consequences of what has happened." -Dave Troy 

IMHO, they still would have voted the way they did even if they knew. They don't care about anything outside of their bubble, and as long as Trump's policies do not pierce that bubble, they will continue to not care.