The View: Week of 10/28/2024

[Shrek]

Alyssa is hedging her bets. She thinks that not voting or writing someone in gives her the ability to say " I didn't vote for the other side" if Trump wins & she needs a job, basically she's running scared & hiding from any blow back, or thinks she is.

She's a weak minded person who thinks she's being clever by not voting rather than taking a stand.

[GiveMeSpace]

They cannot help themselves. Just when they seem to take on an air befitting of being in the news division at ABC, they come back from break with this text your ex topic. This is less serious than wearing a Halloween costume ffs. 

[Haleth]

lol. For once I was interested in the fluffy topic. I ran into an ex on our HS FB page and he started texting me. It got weird fast and I had to block him.

Yeah, Alyssa was insufferable today with her criticisms. At least she admitted being wrong about the 2022 red wave although if you blinked you’d miss it. 

[Shrek]

Did they get to the SCOTUS decision today or do we get to see their heads explode tomorrow?

[atomic]

I'll admit I enjoyed the silliness of the fluffy topic too. I consume so much political media nowadays because this election has made me such a nervous wreck. It's good to have a break from time to time and just laugh about something dumb.

[KittyQ]

Why the pearl clutching, Whoopi? Because everyone in the DNC has been presenting a couple of things: a) Biden is just fine, just a bit old - no problem with his memory and mind, and b) Dems are nicer and would never say anything derogatory about the American people. In one fell swoop, both of those impressions were blotted. You can't be surprised that in this atmosphere, Republicans are not going to give Biden the benefit of the doubt.

I'm also curious where Whoopi and Joy's defense of comedians went to, h the comedian at the Trump rally. They normally say how a comedian is allowed to say the unsayable, and how people can't judge comedians the way they do regular speakers and presenters (Kathy Griffin, anyone?).  Personally, I found the comedian's remarks tasteless and stupid, and I also thought KG was tasteless and stupid, and neither one was funny, but I'm not an apologist for comedians, in general, unlike Whoopi and Joy.

[Ellis Bell Lives]

Maybe I misinterpreted his intent, but I assumed Trump's garbage can comment meant he was accusing other countries of using our country as a dumping ground for their criminals and gangs.

Decades ago, Castro was accused of emptying his jails and insane asylums then sending them to our shores.

Trump's oft-repeated garbage can comment was a direct shot at those entering the country thereby placing all migrants in the same category.  Let's just say nuance is not his strong suit.  I'm surprised Sunny and the others didn't see it this way.

 

[KittyQ]

I think the View hosts missed a chance for an easy consensus topic by not covering the bad behavior by fans at the World Series game last night - they actually tried to pry a fly ball out of the glove the player catching it! 

[After7Only]

1 hour ago, KittyQ said:

I'm also curious where Whoopi and Joy's defense of comedians went to, h the comedian at the Trump rally. They normally say how a comedian is allowed to say the unsayable, and how people can't judge comedians the way they do regular speakers and presenters (Kathy Griffin, anyone?).  Personally, I found the comedian's remarks tasteless and stupid, and I also thought KG was tasteless and stupid, and neither one was funny, but I'm not an apologist for comedians, in general, unlike Whoopi and Joy.

Kind of two different scenarios.   Whoopi and Joy were not judging the comedians right to say what he did or that the comedian should be canceled.   The critique was it was said at a political rally, a rally where remarks are always reviewed and approved beforehand.   Sarah and Joy also had a good point that the remarks tracked with the audience's beliefs  Which is why they audience found it funny and those who don't share those beliefs found it offensive. 

Generally audiences enjoy insult/roast style comics  because either the object of the joke is "in" on the joke or the audience on some level agrees with the sentiment of the joke .  

Kathy Griffin's "joke" was not part of anyone's campaign or rally.   It was her own decision to post the picture she did.    If I remember correctly Whoopi and Joy said her joke was tasteless, they just didn't think she should be canceled for it.    

[mispickel]

11 minutes ago, After7Only said:

Kathy Griffin's "joke" was not part of anyone's campaign or rally.   It was her own decision to post the picture she did.    If I remember correctly Whoopi and Joy said her joke was tasteless, they just didn't think she should be canceled for it.    

No, it wasn't Kathy's decision. The photographer posted it without her permission (she said). Kathy was at fault for letting the photograph talk her into taking the photograph in the first place.

[Snapdragon]

32 minutes ago, After7Only said:

Kind of two different scenarios.   Whoopi and Joy were not judging the comedians right to say what he did or that the comedian should be canceled.   The critique was it was said at a political rally, a rally where remarks are always reviewed and approved beforehand.   Sarah and Joy also had a good point that the remarks tracked with the audience's beliefs  Which is why they audience found it funny and those who don't share those beliefs found it offensive. 

 

To be fair, I don't think the audience at the rally really found it funny either.  When he (Tony whatever his lastname is) said the "Puerto Rico is garbage" line, there were groans of disapproval coming from the audience.  And when you watch the full clip (set?), he's bombing for at least half of it.  Honestly, there's part of me that wonders if he or someone working on the Trump campaign was trying to take it down from the inside, because why would you get a roast comic to speak at a political rally?  

[njbchlover]

10 minutes ago, Snapdragon said:

To be fair, I don't think the audience at the rally really found it funny either.  When he (Tony whatever his lastname is) said the "Puerto Rico is garbage" line, there were groans of disapproval coming from the audience.  And when you watch the full clip (set?), he's bombing for at least half of it.  Honestly, there's part of me that wonders if he or someone working on the Trump campaign was trying to take it down from the inside, because why would you get a roast comic to speak at a political rally?  

Because no other comedian/comic was willing to speak at THAT particular rally??  

I agree with you, @Snapdragon - watching the clips, it seemed like most of the audience either groaned in disapproval, or groaned for the comedian, knowing he would be slayed for the comment.  Or, lastly, groaned because that joke and most of his "speech"/routine just kind of fell flat.  He, apparently, has a fairly popular podcast talent show (of sorts), and is remarkably unapologetic for his comedic style - he's been in trouble before for using a racial slur toward an Asian-American comic.

I did wonder if Joy (and Whoopi) would have defended him, because they both usually support stand up comedians and their freedom of speech, so I was surprised that neither Joy nor Whoopi seem to be doing that - instead, saying that "the guy's not funny".  

The joke, and others by Hinchcliffe were in extremely poor taste, but, as discussed in Hot Topics yesterday, I was more concerned about the comments and outlandish rhetoric relayed by the other speakers, such as Giuliani, Tucker Carlson, Sid Rosenberg and the rest of them.  They, collectively, were more scary to me, than some stupid, arrogant, bullshit, horribly bad comedian, and yet, all the media focus is on Hinchcliffe, who basically just doubled down on Trump's statements last week that the WHOLE country is a garbage can/dump.

[Sue in her 60s]

4 hours ago, KittyQ said:

I'm also curious where Whoopi and Joy's defense of comedians went to, h the comedian at the Trump rally. They normally say how a comedian is allowed to say the unsayable, and how people can't judge comedians the way they do regular speakers and presenters (Kathy Griffin, anyone?). 

Joy and other comedians say that good comedy punches up, not down. Make fun of the powerful, the upper class, etc. Not people who are struggling or oppressed.

[cinsays]

6 hours ago, Shrek said:

Alyssa is hedging her bets. She thinks that not voting or writing someone in gives her the ability to say " I didn't vote for the other side" if Trump wins & she needs a job, basically she's running scared & hiding from any blow back, or thinks she is.

She's a weak minded person who thinks she's being clever by not voting rather than taking a stand.

she comes on every day and says what a vile person he is and what a threat to everything this country stands for and she does the same on CNN.  if she sways anyone to not vote for him, that's good enough for me.

i would be shocked if she did anything to gain favor with him if he gets elected. 

5 hours ago, Ellis Bell Lives said:

Maybe I misinterpreted his intent, but I assumed Trump's garbage can comment meant he was accusing other countries of using our country as a dumping ground for their criminals and gangs.

Decades ago, Castro was accused of emptying his jails and insane asylums then sending them to our shores.

Trump's oft-repeated garbage can comment was a direct shot at those entering the country thereby placing all migrants in the same category.  Let's just say nuance is not his strong suit.  I'm surprised Sunny and the others didn't see it this way.

 

i think trump puts all democrats in the garbage category and if elected, we'll see him show us just that

[maggiemae]

Trump puts dems, the media and anyone against him in his "the enemy within" claims.

I thought it was funny when Sara said trump has no idea who Alyssa is and Alyssa did too.

Edited October 31 by maggiemae

[Ellis Bell Lives]

WTF.   I watch live each day but for the past few weeks when the warning comes on for the abortion ad, I turn off the tv so I always miss the last segment when they sign off.

'I just read an article where Joy outed Sara live today with her parents in the audience.  To repeat something that was said off-air is a betrayal.  Sara laughed but you could see her body language become defensive as she crossed her arms over her chest.  That's not a cool thing to do Joy.  Not at all.

[Back Atcha]

14 hours ago, Shrek said:

She's a weak minded person who thinks she's being clever by not voting rather than taking a stand.

I don't think she's weak-minded; she has seen first-hand the damage Mr. Trump can cause for what we would consider the slightest insult.  She does need to make a living and her talents and connections are in the political world.  She IS hedging her bets; nothing wrong with that.  I think she's a good addition to the table; Sunny disagrees (with a fake smile).

Edited October 31 by Back Atcha

[Soapy Goddess]

Agree that the PR garbage "joke" was unfunny and beyond tasteless. But what pissed me off was Sunny's diatribe directly into the camera blaming and addressing Trump. 

IOW, while she has every right to be offended, those exact words (the "joke") did NOT come out of his mouth.

[shok]

2 hours ago, Soapy Goddess said:

Agree that the PR garbage "joke" was unfunny and beyond tasteless. But what pissed me off was Sunny's diatribe directly into the camera blaming and addressing Trump. 

IOW, while she has every right to be offended, those exact words (the "joke") did NOT come out of his mouth.

The 'joke' was approved line by line by his campaign as were all the insults and vile rants from all the other speakers. Trump is responsible for his own campaign. He's so weak and unethical he constantly claims he didn't hear or see things at his rallies that inflame half the country. And yet someone who is so stupid they don't know what their hired flunkies are saying wants to run a huge country. Lord help us.

[bluegirl147]

2 hours ago, shok said:

. Trump is responsible for his own campaign.

Yes. The buck stops with him.  But as you said he never takes the blame for anything.

14 hours ago, Sue in her 60s said:

Joy and other comedians say that good comedy punches up, not down. Make fun of the powerful, the upper class, etc. Not people who are struggling or oppressed.

Yes that comedian wasn't even really doing an act.  He was just attacking "the others" that Trump is always attacking.  IMO the Trump campaign probably thought that comedian would be like the people they hire to fire up an audience before the show. Also as someone else said they probably didn't have a lot of comedians willing to do the rally.  I had never heard of this guy.  There are rumors Trump's son Barron is a fan.

[Sue in her 60s]

5 minutes ago, bluegirl147 said:

IMO the Trump campaign probably thought that comedian would be like the people they hire to fire up an audience before the show. Also as someone else said they probably didn't have a lot of comedians willing to do the rally.  I had never heard of this guy.  There are rumors Trump's son Barron is a fan.

I saw somewhere that he is known for being a "roast" comedian, where all sorts of insulting things are said about the honoree, all taken in good fun. Again, though, this is punching up or at least punching someone in your peer group, even if the "jokes" aimed at anyone else would be seen as bigotry.

[bluegirl147]

11 minutes ago, Sue in her 60s said:

I saw somewhere that he is known for being a "roast" comedian, where all sorts of insulting things are said about the honoree, all taken in good fun. Again, though, this is punching up or at least punching someone in your peer group, even if the "jokes" aimed at anyone else would be seen as bigotry.

If he was there as a roast comedian he should have been making fun of Trump. Something that Trump never would have allowed.  Whoever arranged for him to do the rally knew his act.  Trump and some in his campaign keep thinking their hate resonates with the majority of people.  And when it doesn't they just say it was a joke.

[TheGreenKnight]

I was glad Cheney didn't show. Leaving aside her being boring, it was nice to have a full show of just the co-hosts. I'd rather they have less guests, but ABC wants to promote, promote, promote nonstop. Same reason for all the View Your Deals.

[Mollywolly555]

On 10/30/2024 at 6:28 AM, shok said:

Excellent post. Wish I could 'like' it 100 times.

It's a shame that more people can't look honestly at their lives and appreciate all the nuances in life that they benefit from just from being white. I remember having discussions with my son often as he was growing up to be grateful for being tall and blond and blue-eyed and well socialized and smart spoken and to appreciate all the doors it opened for him. Once through those doors he usually had to prove himself but getting in the door is such an important first step that often isn't available for a lot of other people.

Thanks, shok!!!

I still have my blind spots where I have to check myself/my white privileges--literally. For example,  not "seeing" or recognizing folks to making a point of greeting service people, of any race, like maids in hotels, store clerks, etc., and reading the room of groups I participate in for diversity and inclusion.

My son and his gf were bartenders/wait staff while finishing college so I tip better due to them educating me on the ridiculousness of customers...both monetarily and behaviorally.

And yes,  frankly,  being attractive --particularly when I was younger, blonder, etc., opened doors, although my mom always worried that it made me a target of creeps as well,  not to mention being  dismissed as not smart, so I think I became hyper aware and wary of any interactions.

Yes,  it is mindful work and tiresome at times, especially in this political nightmare, but no way near the fear-laden and traumatic daily experiences of people of color. 

[Haleth]

1 hour ago, bluegirl147 said:

And when it doesn't they just say it was a joke.

That doesn’t explain the hateful rhetoric of the other speakers though. They weren’t trying to be funny, just provocative. 

[bluegirl147]

5 minutes ago, Haleth said:

That doesn’t explain the hateful rhetoric of the other speakers though. They weren’t trying to be funny, just provocative. 

I was speaking specifically about the comedian's remarks but they were so bad and offensive some in the Trump campaign were even saying his "act" wasn't reflective of their candidate.  Sure Jan.

[Haleth]

No, Alyssa, Biden didn’t say Trump’s supporters are garbage. He said the only garbage he saw was Trump’s supporter’s. Meaning the “comedian’s” garbage. That little apostrophe makes a big difference in his meaning.

The opening segment was funny. 

Edited October 31 by Haleth

[Medicine Crow]

Crappy show today, even though they "patched in" Mark Cuban!!!

[KittyQ]

Whoopi's statement that "We're all pro-life" was disingenuous. She should be very aware that the term "pro-life" has been used for decades by those opposed to abortion. She is not opposed to abortion, so saying she's "pro-life" is just as annoying to some people as people saying, "All Lives Matter" in response to "Black Lives Matter" was to other people.

[Shrek]

14 minutes ago, KittyQ said:

Whoopi's statement that "We're all pro-life" was disingenuous. She should be very aware that the term "pro-life" has been used for decades by those opposed to abortion. She is not opposed to abortion, so saying she's "pro-life" is just as annoying to some people as people saying, "All Lives Matter" in response to "Black Lives Matter" was to other people.

It's not her fault that the phrase has been hijacked by religious zealots & in this case she is correct. Nobody is wanting to make abortions something women have to have are they? Wouldn't surprise me if that's the way some think though, like saying people want to take all guns away for gun control.

I mean why use common sense when ridiculous statements make a better & bigger impact, this is where the country is now, extremes on both sides from zealots are what is heard rather than the commonsense attitude of the majority. 

[bluegirl147]

34 minutes ago, KittyQ said:

Whoopi's statement that "We're all pro-life" was disingenuous. She should be very aware that the term "pro-life" has been used for decades by those opposed to abortion

That doesn't mean those opposed to abortion are the only people who get say that. Considering what has been happening to women since Roe was overturned I think most people are pro life. Meaning we hope pregnant women in need of care are allowed to receive it.

[Mollywolly555]

I agree. Taking back language or narrative or symbols is important, as is clarifying your choice of words to avoid not being misconstrued. 

Being "pro life" for me is about supporting womens reproduction rights/choices and the children after they are born... which is rarely talked about from the anti-abortion folks.

I detest how the conservatives are using the American flag as " their" symbol. I put out both American and rainbow flags.

[GiveMeSpace]

1 hour ago, KittyQ said:

Whoopi's statement that "We're all pro-life" was disingenuous. She should be very aware that the term "pro-life" has been used for decades by those opposed to abortion. She is not opposed to abortion, so saying she's "pro-life" is just as annoying to some people as people saying, "All Lives Matter" in response to "Black Lives Matter" was to other people.

 I wish she would have just said, most of us at the table are not pro-forced birth. Pro-life is an ambiguous term, as we can surely all agree as we see women now dying from miscarriages. Pro-fetus would be a more accurate term for the movement as the mothers life is collateral damage now. 

[Cementhead]

I am the last person to chime in to defend Whoopi but that's what I am doing right now.  I hate the term pro-life because it makes it too easy for people to weaponize it and imply that if you are pro-choice, you are anti-life, which is obviously completely and utterly absurd.  

To me, the opposite of pro-choice is anti-choice so those are the terms I choose to use. 

[Haleth]

1 hour ago, KittyQ said:

Whoopi's statement that "We're all pro-life" was disingenuous. She should be very aware that the term "pro-life" has been used for decades by those opposed to abortion. She is not opposed to abortion, so saying she's "pro-life" is just as annoying to some people as people saying, "All Lives Matter" in response to "Black Lives Matter" was to other people.

I’m sorry, but I couldn’t disagree more. Valuing life is not the same thing as opposing abortion.  Being pro-choice is not the same as not caring about the living. 

[JAYJAY1979]

So they didn't do a fun Halloween episode?

Wow...the show seems incapable of going one day without talking politics or having fun.  A shame because their Halloween episodes were so fun and the only good thing they did consistently.

[Gemma Violet]

15 minutes ago, JAYJAY1979 said:

So they didn't do a fun Halloween episode?

Wow...the show seems incapable of going one day without talking politics or having fun.  A shame because their Halloween episodes were so fun and the only good thing they did consistently.

The Halloween episodes need a lot of preparation and have to be pre-taped and since it's five days before the election, they didn't want to have a taped show in case something major broke.  Brian talked about it on one of the podcasts last week.  He said the ladies would have to be there at 2 am for make-up if they did a live show.

[LNDNgirl]

On 10/30/2024 at 7:28 AM, shok said:

Excellent post. Wish I could 'like' it 100 times.

It's a shame that more people can't look honestly at their lives and appreciate all the nuances in life that they benefit from just from being white. I remember having discussions with my son often as he was growing up to be grateful for being tall and blond and blue-eyed and well socialized and smart spoken and to appreciate all the doors it opened for him. Once through those doors he usually had to prove himself but getting in the door is such an important first step that often isn't available for a lot of other people.

Thank you for your thoughtful post.  I’m surprised that being blond and blue-eyed offers an additional benefit, in addition to being white.  Very interesting.

[PradaKitty]

I’m disappointed that the cohosts weren’t in costume. 

[Sue in her 60s]

18 hours ago, Haleth said:

That doesn’t explain the hateful rhetoric of the other speakers though. They weren’t trying to be funny, just provocative. 

Provocative is that side's campaign strategy. Gotta show the bros how tough you are so they will be jacked up to vote.

[Mollywolly555]

1 hour ago, Sue in her 60s said:

Provocative is that side's campaign strategy. Gotta show the bros how tough you are so they will be jacked up to vote.

So true about the tough posturing.

It appeals to those Trump.folliwers who feel like they haven't gotten a fair chance or their fair share in life... and blame it on others-- usually immigrants, BIPOC, women-- anyone they feel is cutting in front of them in line.

Nevermind that they could have made better choices in life themselves. They lack that introspection or ignore it cuz it's painful to take responsibility.Unfortunately,  it's easier to blame others. 

Some of them are in my family. They don't like being told what to do or rules and laws,  yet they bully others. They feel put down by those with formal education even though they may have amazing skills and other kinds of intelligence. They see  Trump as a rebel like them, thumbing his nose at the establishment. 

Never realizing that he's a bully too.  No one is safe from his scorn, and he's going to f them over too.

[HerkyJerky]

Chris Christie had a great point that if we’re not supposed to take seriously and literally the bad things Trump says (e.g. Putting guns in Liz Cheney‘s face), then why should we take seriously and literally the good things that he supposedly is going to do once he gets into the White House?

[Ellis Bell Lives]

8 minutes ago, HerkyJerky said:

Chris Christie had a great point that if we’re not supposed to take seriously and literally the bad things Trump says (e.g. Putting guns in Liz Cheney‘s face), then why should we take seriously and literally the good things that he supposedly is going to do once he gets into the White House?

Trump was referring to Cheney as a war hawk and asking how she would feel if she were dropped in a war zone "with a rifle and had nine barrels shooting at her..."

For an ABC News Division entity, I'm surprised they were allowed to use this for their opening Hot Topic segment and as misleading as it was why they were not forced to issue a later correction live on-air.

[Haleth]

Christie made sense today.

I saw that disturbing commercial during the Today Show this morning. 

[Shrek]

You could actually hear Christie today without all the screeching that is usually going on around him. 

[js9548]

23 minutes ago, Shrek said:

You could actually hear Christie today without all the screeching that is usually going on around him. 

Maybe the hosts were told to let him talk.

[Sue in her 60s]

6 hours ago, Ellis Bell Lives said:

Trump was referring to Cheney as a war hawk and asking how she would feel if she were dropped in a war zone "with a rifle and had nine barrels shooting at her..."

For an ABC News Division entity, I'm surprised they were allowed to use this for their opening Hot Topic segment and as misleading as it was why they were not forced to issue a later correction live on-air.

Not sure it matters that he was making up a scenario. His description of what he wanted to see was violent and uncalled for. And it isn't the fist time he has invoked violent imagery in regard to people who disagree with him.

[Ellis Bell Lives]

2 hours ago, Sue in her 60s said:

Not sure it matters that he was making up a scenario. His description of what he wanted to see was violent and uncalled for. And it isn't the fist time he has invoked violent imagery in regard to people who disagree with him.

It matters because they edited the clip and intro'd it at a specific point.  It matters because Joy loves to tell the audience they are fact-checked by ABC News.  It matters because Christie answered the question without having full knowledge of the situation.  Sunny had to read a legal note from the Trump campaign, but the co-hosts said nothing to clear up their misrepresentation of the clip.  Even Joy said in response to the note, "That's different."  No Joy, you just didn't bother to watch the interview.  Even Ana added fuel to the fire when she drama qweened about dictators and firing squads.  Hyperbole thy name is Ana.

It's interesting, they went ballistic over FOX News editing of "the enemy within" yet they have no qualms misrepresenting him when it suits their needs.

Is Trump an asshole?  Yes.  Is Trump dangerous?  Yes.  But when you mislead the public like this you lose credibility, and you end up diluting just how dangerous he is.  People will see this and think the media was once again trying to vilify him.  I don't care what side of the aisle people fall on, but I do care when a supposedly reputable news network allows this to go fully unchecked.  Sorry but it does matter.

[Haleth]

I have no problem with them discussing how inappropriate it is for trump to use such violent rhetoric, regardless of what he meant.  It wouldn't be the first time one of his crazy supporters took it as a command.  Normal candidates people just don't talk that way.  Sorry but that matters.

(And don't get me started on the irony of trump suggesting Cheney would be a coward on the battlefield.)

[cinsays]

1 hour ago, Haleth said:

I have no problem with them discussing how inappropriate it is for trump to use such violent rhetoric, regardless of what he meant.  It wouldn't be the first time one of his crazy supporters took it as a command.  Normal candidates people just don't talk that way.  Sorry but that matters.

(And don't get me started on the irony of trump suggesting Cheney would be a coward on the battlefield.)

agreed.  and i don't think we can say he didn't mean he wanted his troops to be roused to violence. he'd deny it was his intent if it happened, but he'd really be glad, just like jan 6