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S01.E02: Circle Sewn With Fate/ Unlock Thy Hidden Gate


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ok, how soon will "Down the Witches Road" be number 1 on iTunes? It's already stuck in my head......

Is there anybody here who doesn't think Teen is actually Wanda's son reborn? I could clearly make out him saying the word Billy Kaplan. The fact Agatha can't hear him but everything else when he was talking about himself to me means he's also under some form of identity repression spell, to protect him from her. I fully expect him to wake up in the finale (also really hope Tommy shows up too)

 

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1 hour ago, AimingforYoko said:

I'm curious how Sharon is going to fare on this little adventure, not being a witch and all. (Or is she?)

I missed how they chose her - they needed a green witch and Sharon Davis had a green thumb, so why not?

ETA: Sharon mentioned that her husband had passed away.  It sounded incidental, but I wonder if it will be significant, as his health was probably affected by Wanda's spell.  Sharon could have some pent up rage to unleash.

 

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3 hours ago, HelloooKitty said:

So who do we think was the original “black heart”? The one Agatha didn’t want to ask?

Aubrey’s character? Dottie?

I'm assuming it's AP's character because she said "I have a heart, it's black and it beats for you." I'm assuming they're some form of exes? 

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Is there anybody here who doesn't think Teen is actually Wanda's son reborn? I could clearly make out him saying the word Billy Kaplan. The fact Agatha can't hear him but everything else when he was talking about himself to me means he's also under some form of identity repression spell, to protect him from her. I fully expect him to wake up in the finale (also really hope Tommy shows up too)

That's my guess right now but I learned my lesson with Wandavision never to get too attached to any particular theory. 

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12 hours ago, Brn2bwild said:

I missed how they chose her - they needed a green witch and Sharon Davis had a green thumb, so why not?

 

6 hours ago, Featherhat said:

I'm assuming it's AP's character because she said "I have a heart, it's black and it beats for you." I'm assuming they're some form of exes? 

I'm pretty certain the black heart on the coven list was referring to Audrey Plaza's character. She obviously has a (super hot) history with Agatha so Agatha definitely didn't want to invite her. She was prepared to start down the road without a green witch at all, but the others insisted. She went to Sharon who she felt was "witchy enough" and is a gardener, mostly just to appease the others. And she's just happy to be included, lol.

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This was a lot better than episode one. Now I'm excited to see where this goes.

15 hours ago, Brn2bwild said:

I missed how they chose her - they needed a green witch and Sharon Davis had a green thumb, so why not?

On the list was a black heart, but Agatha said that was just because it was black marker. Even though her real name is Mrs. Davis, she was called Mrs. H(e)art during Wanda's hex.

We are meant to believe that she is the wrong one and Aubrey Plaza would actually be the correct choice, but I believe in Mrs. Davis.

 

 

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I like it but I am not confident it will stick the landing for me. My favorite part by far was them singing together. That was beautiful.

It seems pretty obvious to me that Agatha and AP's character are exes who had a very bad break-up. I think "teen" is  Wanda's gay son but I am preparing to be mephistoed on that.

I see that a certain  on-line element is already hating the show. People can hate what they want but I have a big problem when they hate so much they want to destroy and cancel what other folks may like.

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3 hours ago, PurpleTentacle said:

This was a lot better than episode one. Now I'm excited to see where this goes.

On the list was a black heart, but Agatha said that was just because it was black marker. Even though her real name is Mrs. Davis, she was called Mrs. H(e)art during Wanda's hex.

We are meant to believe that she is the wrong one and Aubrey Plaza would actually be the correct choice, but I believe in Mrs. Davis.

 

 

Wouldn't it be interesting if she turned out to be the villain?

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Aubrey Plaza is probably the black heart. But I'm hoping Sharon "Mrs Hart" is actually a green witch and just doesn't know it. Her green thumb could be magic. 

The teens identify is being kept secret from Agatha. It would be obvious to be Billy. So they are either going the obvious route with a twist or he's another Fake Pietro. 

Is Agatha going to be releasing an album with all her songs. The Witches Road was sung beautifully but not as earwormy as Agatha all along. 

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19 minutes ago, arc said:

So in any heist film there's the assembling the team sequence, which was decent enough here but not really great.

 

It wasn't the best part of ep but I thought that the scene where they convinced the GOOP type witch to join up because of 800 lawsuits was pretty funny. Also never thought I'd hear Kegel egg jokes on Disney +. 

 

5 hours ago, Sakura12 said:

Aubrey Plaza is probably the black heart. But I'm hoping Sharon "Mrs Hart" is actually a green witch and just doesn't know it. Her green thumb could be magic. 

The teens identify is being kept secret from Agatha. It would be obvious to be Billy. So they are either going the obvious route with a twist or he's another Fake Pietro. 

Is Agatha going to be releasing an album with all her songs. The Witches Road was sung beautifully but not as earwormy as Agatha all along. 

I think we're supposed to think that Aubrey Plaza is black heart because Agatha clearly does by her reaction to it. If she thought it was really Mrs Hart alI along she probably wouldn't have been as squirrelly about it because she clearly didn't have a problem recruiting her in 2 minutes. It would be interesting if it was really Mrs Davis/Hart and she could either be completely ignorant of being a bit magical or in on the whole thing as well but keeping it under wraps. 

Having spent way too much time wondering about and discussing WandaVision's potential "twists" I'm going to just let it play out this time. Same with Teen who the entire internet already thinks is Billy/Wiccan, but who knows? 

In regards to sticking the landing I hope they've learned from Wandavision and others because they have a big 2 parter scheduled for the day before Halloween for maximum taking advantage of the season. So I hope they've got a lot of juice in that tank. 

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Definitely think Agatha figured the "black heart" was referring to Rio/Aubrey Plaza, which is why she initially freaked out over it and wanted it to be Mrs. Davis instead since she use to go by "Mrs. Hart" during the Wandavision event.  It did seem to work in the end, so either Mrs. Davis really is a witch of some kind or maybe Rio was secretly nearby and sung the song as well in order to open the path to the road.

The introduction to the other witches was fun and I'm looking forward to learning more about them.  Not surprised that at least one of them is a supposed psychic, but I really got a kick out of Sasheer Zamata's character basically being a witch version of Gwyneth Paltrow.

So, something is preventing Agatha from learning this teen's name or where he is from.  Curious to see if maybe she might try and have him write it down, but I suspect whatever hex this is will prevent that as well.

"Down the Witches Road" is a catchy and well-done song for sure!

Pretty solid start overall.  Curious to see where they go with this series.

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45 minutes ago, PurpleTentacle said:

Only the last three days, but yes.

Wow now I’m really confused.
1. so for three years, she’s been nosy neighbor Agnes? Due to Wanda’s final spell?

2. But for some reason she fabricated (in her own head) for three days that she was a detective?

3. did all of that take place in her own house? So the interrogation room (with the painting) was a room in her house? And the only real people were Rio and the teen?

4. And there wasn’t really a dead body in the woods? Maybe Agatha discovered the locket (the only real item) and that triggered the whole detective fantasy?

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9 minutes ago, kay1864 said:

Wow now I’m really confused.
1. so for three years, she’s been nosy neighbor Agnes? Due to Wanda’s final spell?

2. But for some reason she fabricated (in her own head) for three days that she was a detective?

3. did all of that take place in her own house? So the interrogation room (with the painting) was a room in her house? And the only real people were Rio and the teen?

4. And there wasn’t really a dead body in the woods? Maybe Agatha discovered the locket (the only real item) and that triggered the whole detective fantasy?

Perhaps the multiverse effects finally reached Agatha instead of the instantaneous events normally seen in fiction 

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49 minutes ago, kay1864 said:

Wow now I’m really confused.
1. so for three years, she’s been nosy neighbor Agnes? Due to Wanda’s final spell?

2. But for some reason she fabricated (in her own head) for three days that she was a detective?

3. did all of that take place in her own house? So the interrogation room (with the painting) was a room in her house? And the only real people were Rio and the teen?

4. And there wasn’t really a dead body in the woods? Maybe Agatha discovered the locket (the only real item) and that triggered the whole detective fantasy?

Agatha was the only one under Wanda's final hex on Westview. The remaining residents played along with her "craziness" whenever she would leave her house. The neighbor said that "Agnes" had gotten into true crime dramas that week in the last episode.

It's cool that Agatha isn't allowed to know who Teen really is; and it is funny since he clearly knows all about her.

So Mrs. Davis is a green witch? That would also be cool! Now we have the coven; how is Agatha going to navigate the Witch's Road with no power?

We aren't going to see more of Rio or the rabbit, are we?

24 minutes ago, Stardancer Supreme said:

 

We aren't going to see more of Rio or the rabbit, are we?

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We are definitely seeing more of Aubrey Plaza (you can see her in scenes in the trailer) and it wouldn't surprise me if we see more of Senor Scratchy (rabbit) considering there seems to be something going on with Nick Scratch whether it's a red herring or not. 

 

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5 hours ago, kay1864 said:

Wow now I’m really confused.
1. so for three years, she’s been nosy neighbor Agnes? Due to Wanda’s final spell?

2. But for some reason she fabricated (in her own head) for three days that she was a detective?

3. did all of that take place in her own house? So the interrogation room (with the painting) was a room in her house? And the only real people were Rio and the teen?

4. And there wasn’t really a dead body in the woods? Maybe Agatha discovered the locket (the only real item) and that triggered the whole detective fantasy?

The three days (or so) had just been when she was on her True Crime fixation. Presumably, she had other different ones before that in the past three years. No real dead body in the woods, just likely a manifestation of the spell wearing off because Wanda is supposedly dead.

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8 hours ago, kay1864 said:

Wow now I’m really confused.
1. so for three years, she’s been nosy neighbor Agnes? Due to Wanda’s final spell?

2. But for some reason she fabricated (in her own head) for three days that she was a detective?

3. did all of that take place in her own house? So the interrogation room (with the painting) was a room in her house? And the only real people were Rio and the teen?

4. And there wasn’t really a dead body in the woods? Maybe Agatha discovered the locket (the only real item) and that triggered the whole detective fantasy?

When Wanda died is when her spell started going all wonky. Agnes was probably her original nosy neighbor self before then.  The town probably viewed her as their savior from Wanda, so they humored her delusions.  Everything was in her house, so she wasn't actually driving anywhere. Her "car" was in her livingroom. Where she found the body was outside Herb's house. She may have actually thought the police station was Dottie and her husband's house. That's why he told her to go home. 

I do like how everyone living in this world just deals with the all the craziness. Super powers and magic, just roll with it. 

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2 hours ago, DMK said:

The three days (or so) had just been when she was on her True Crime fixation. Presumably, she had other different ones before that in the past three years. 

I don’t see any evidence for that. Based on what Herb was saying, she was normal “nosy neighbor Agnes” for three years, and the true crime bug was during the past few days.

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8 hours ago, kay1864 said:

2. But for some reason she fabricated (in her own head) for three days that she was a detective?

As far as I understand this is set right after Wanda dies. Remember this show got delayed a bunch.

So Wanda dies and the spell starts breaking. Agatha sees Wanda's body in some kind of vision and concocts the murder mystery around it. That's why there are the references to the victim being a witch ("Is she most sincerely dead?", reference to the wizard of Oz, about the wicked witch of the east).

They could have made it clearer but that is what I got.

33 minutes ago, Sakura12 said:

The town probably viewed her as their savior from Wanda, so they humored her delusions.

I don't think the town ever knew that Agnes wasn't just their normal neighbour. Agatha and Wanda fought so high above the town, nobody would have ever seen her face and I don't think anybody saw when Wanda turned her into Agnes.

3 hours ago, DMK said:

The three days (or so) had just been when she was on her True Crime fixation. Presumably, she had other different ones before that in the past three years. No real dead body in the woods, just likely a manifestation of the spell wearing off because Wanda is supposedly dead.

I think she was just normal Agnes the last three years, before Wanda's spell started breaking.

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Just saw these in IMDb. (I knew the author’s name had to be an anagram!)

the author, "Andrew Ugo" is an anagram of Wundagore, which is where Wanda buried herself alive with the Darkhold.

Executive producer Jac Schaefer, who also directed the premiere, said it was Kathryn Hahn's idea to be nude in the episode. She came to Schaefer and said about the situation her character was dealing with in the scene, "Would Agatha stop to get a robe? I feel like she would go out there naked." Schaefer agreed, but he had to get Kevin Feige's permission to actually show Hahn's bare butt. Feige was surprised at the request, but ultimately agreed.

 

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1 hour ago, PurpleTentacle said:

I think she was just normal Agnes the last three years, before Wanda's spell started breaking.

I feel like, based on Wanda’s original spell being tv-centric + Agatha cruising around in a tv detective delusion + the Westview citizens being rather blasé about it = Agatha spending three years in various sorts of tv centric delusions — possibly based on whatever she’s been reading or watching on tv. If the tv delusion were sudden, I would think the westview peeps would be more freaked out about it, but they seemed pretty resigned.

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19 minutes ago, DMK said:

I would think the westview peeps would be more freaked out about it, but they seemed pretty resigned.

Well she had been a decent neighbor for three years, pleasant and interacting. Maybe they just thought she had a mental health episode for some reason, and decided to help her through it (bringing her groceries, for example).

Sorry if this is OT, but in WandaVision, was it really Agatha all along? Yes, she played with Wanda‘s reality a bit, but it seems like the penultimate episode showed us that it was Wanda all along. Right?

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I haven't watched this yet, but there was always a question of how much Agatha was affected by the initial Hex. She did seem to be trapped in the construct, unable to leave, but she would also just appear at certain opportune times, seemingly to prod Wanda along a distinct path with the goal of eventually stealing Wanda's powers for herself. The creation of the Hex was Wanda's doing, but many people thought Agatha caught wind of the power surge around Westview and went to investigate, then stayed in order to take advantage of the situation. It's just that she got boxed in on purpose at the end.

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1 hour ago, DMK said:

I feel like, based on Wanda’s original spell being tv-centric + Agatha cruising around in a tv detective delusion + the Westview citizens being rather blasé about it = Agatha spending three years in various sorts of tv centric delusions — possibly based on whatever she’s been reading or watching on tv. If the tv delusion were sudden, I would think the westview peeps would be more freaked out about it, but they seemed pretty resigned.

That's not the spell Wanda put on her and the neighbours didn't give any indication in that direction. She was just nosy neighbour Agnes for three years.

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This video about the song says hints and clues are hidden in the lyrics. Spoiler note: there are brief clips of moments not yet aired

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That is, it looks like different versions of the song will occur in future episodes.

https://youtu.be/rusZzdgwQXA … even the thumbnail could be considered spoilery, so I didn’t embed the clip.

 

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5 hours ago, PurpleTentacle said:

That's not the spell Wanda put on her and the neighbours didn't give any indication in that direction. She was just nosy neighbour Agnes for three years.

Sure Wanda's spell was "the role you chose for yourself, the nosy neighbour". But since Agnes chose it because Wanda was living out her fantasy of family sitcoms, some of that construct could have bled over into Agnes's day to day life for three years, even if her "true crime" skit had only been going on a few days.

Both herb and Mrs Davis/Hart indicated that whilst the rest of them had returned to reality she had always had trouble remembering Sharon wasn't really Mrs Hart and that she was suddenly "lucid for a change" with Herb. Probably because whilst the rest of them had become themselves Agnes wasn't actually Agatha's reality. We don't really know if she cycled through any other TV shows or other realities but it did seem likely to me.  That "car" looked like it had been there for  a while for example and it took her a beat to remember it wasn't real even after she got out of the spell. No sure if it really matters or if we'll see any evidence one way or the other though. 

7 hours ago, kay1864 said:

Sorry if this is OT, but in WandaVision, was it really Agatha all along? Yes, she played with Wanda‘s reality a bit, but it seems like the penultimate episode showed us that it was Wanda all along. Right?

It was Wanda who had created the Hex out of grief and pain (seemingly spontaneously out of grief at the beginning but then with full knowledge - expansion etc). Agatha had nothing to do with that.

I rewatched the last 3 eps of WandaVision last night and Agatha does say she was drawn to the power and slipped in to town, creating a role for herself, using Feitro as a spy and trying to find out the source of Wanda's power. Wanda didn't seem to realise that Agnes wasn't actually her creation either. So from Agatha's POV it was her all along biding her time then kidnapping her kids to manipulate Wanda into showing her the source of her power (Infinity Stone plus witch powers) and fully unlocking the memories of why she was doing this as Wanda seemed to be wilfully trying to block that out despite maintaining the Hex and the enslavement of Westview. 

From the POV of what happened to WestView Agatha really wasn't the big bad, except if she'd actually taken Wanda's power then the town might have been enslaved to her or destroyed. But hey, everyone is the hero Ultimate Villain of their own story. 

 

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13 hours ago, Sakura12 said:

She may have actually thought the police station was Dottie and her husband's house. That's why he told her to go home. 

Good point, although…the neighbor might humor Agnes, but he wouldn’t let Rio, a stranger, into his house. Unless maybe Rio told him she was a mental health professional or something.

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22 minutes ago, kay1864 said:

Good point, although…the neighbor might humor Agnes, but he wouldn’t let Rio, a stranger, into his house. Unless maybe Rio told him she was a mental health professional or something.

Rio could've just said she's an old friend of Agnes'. I'm sure Dottie would do anything to get Agnes out of her house. So he brought her back there and saw that Agnes recognized her so he let her try to get her out of his house. 

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9 hours ago, kay1864 said:

She’s definitely a very old friend of Agnes!

Oh they were definitely very good "friends" during some part of their long lives. I meant more Rio could've said that to get into Dottie and Phil's house. 

I wonder if they would keep up the theory from Wandavison and make Rio, Blackheart who is the child of....Mephistio. 

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10 hours ago, Nacos for Rufus said:

Waaaaait a second. How was the teenager able to get Agatha out of her curse, but couldn’t get his own legs (non-magically, even!) unbound???🤔

We haven't been given rules about what witch magic can do. Just that Dr. Strange, the Scarlett Witch and Agatha could do more than your everyday magic user.

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10 hours ago, Nacos for Rufus said:

Waaaaait a second. How was the teenager able to get Agatha out of her curse, but couldn’t get his own legs (non-magically, even!) unbound???🤔

He has studied magic and has learned spells (it's just with words that he starts to break down Agatha's curse, though it's not 'till Rio pushes her all the way that she gets out). But he says he wants to go down The Witchs' Road so he can get actual magic power (blast, shield, levitate). So I guess he doesn't know a spell for "unbind my legs," and actually, even if he did, his mouth is taped up too so he wouldn't be able to recite that spell.

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I think it was Rio that broke Agatha out, she seems very powerful. Or it could've been both or the teen and Rio are even working together. 

Making it so Agatha can't find out who he is, is the only reason she's keeping him around. I don't know if they will go with Billy, but it would be interesting that Wanda's son became a such fan boy of her enemy. 

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I had very little expectations for this show but, i really enjoyed this episode.  I know Agatha is going to screw her coven over, which is a shame because i like them.

I have to wonder if that line about Lilia being pitchy was added in after they cast Patti Lupone?!

Is it possible that Aubrey Plaza is Mrs Hart? Like she killed the original Mrs Hart and is impersonating her? Either that or we'll find out, Mrs Hart is and always was an Earth/Green Witch?

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On 9/21/2024 at 12:27 PM, Featherhat said:

Sure Wanda's spell was "the role you chose for yourself, the nosy neighbour". But since Agnes chose it because Wanda was living out her fantasy of family sitcoms, some of that construct could have bled over into Agnes's day to day life for three years, even if her "true crime" skit had only been going on a few days.

Both herb and Mrs Davis/Hart indicated that whilst the rest of them had returned to reality she had always had trouble remembering Sharon wasn't really Mrs Hart and that she was suddenly "lucid for a change" with Herb. Probably because whilst the rest of them had become themselves Agnes wasn't actually Agatha's reality. We don't really know if she cycled through any other TV shows or other realities but it did seem likely to me.  That "car" looked like it had been there for  a while for example and it took her a beat to remember it wasn't real even after she got out of the spell. No sure if it really matters or if we'll see any evidence one way or the other though. 

Wanda made her into the nosy neighbour Agnes. Which explains why she was trapped in the fake Westview with the fake names, but would not explain her cycling through different realities. Also the neighbours didn't mention anything of the sort.

The "car" anybody could assemble in about 5 minutes.

We are given no indication of her having cycled through different realities or characters whatsoever. It is pretty clear that Wanda's spell only started to break down once Wanda died. Which is when Agatha concocted a true crime mystery around Wanda's death, to process what happened, since she was now free to do so.

On 9/21/2024 at 2:23 PM, Raja said:

Her mailbox being stuffed with what looks like faded and browned envelopes suggest that Agnus had been locked away in her detective fantasy for a lot longer than a few days. 

That just suggests that in her Agnes-character she wasn't fully functional. The rest of the characters in Wandavision didn't function very well either, when they were under Wanda's control.

23 hours ago, Nacos for Rufus said:

Waaaaait a second. How was the teenager able to get Agatha out of her curse, but couldn’t get his own legs (non-magically, even!) unbound???🤔

He didn't get her out. Agatha clawed herself out. Though the hex was already breaking down, since Wanda had died.

I guess his incantation might have given her a glimpse of reality, but that's about it. It might also not have done anything. It's not clear.

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I am really enjoying this show so far, it has a lot of that quirkiness that the best of the MCU's TV branch has offered. I like all of the supporting cast members, I am especially thrilled that Debra Jo Rupp is joining us as we ease on down the road, she's an absolute hoot. I know that Agatha just grabbed her to be their green witch because she seemed vaguely "witchy" and likes to garden and she doesn't want to deal with whatever messy thing she has going on with Aubrey Plaza, but I hope that she turns out to be the most powerful witch of all. 

From what I understand, having watched these episodes in a row pretty quickly, Wanda's spell that left Agatha in "noisy neighbor" mode for three years, with the residents looking after her and indulging her living in a sitcom fantasy world after they thought she saved them from Wanda, then the spell lessened when Wanda died, hence the week or so of crime drama, and then she got out of the spell thanks to the Teen and Aubrey. 

I am really interested in who Teen really is, who he is to Agatha, and why there is this spell keeping Agatha from knowing who he is. Him being one of Wanda's son's would be interesting, although my first guess is him being Agatha's long lost son, but I learned in WandaVision that I am utterly shit at guessing!

Everywhere Agatha goes, amazing music follows. 

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On 9/19/2024 at 9:09 PM, Sakura12 said:

Aubrey Plaza is probably the black heart. But I'm hoping Sharon "Mrs Hart" is actually a green witch and just doesn't know it. Her green thumb could be magic. 

Except azaleas are never described as "fluffy". That was a weird way to try to establish Sharon's green thumb bona fides.

On 9/19/2024 at 10:49 PM, kay1864 said:

What was up with that fake “car” in her living room? Why did the teen have to drive?

She doesn't have an actual car and he does.  The fake car was what she was "using" in her cop fantasy.

 

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