Season 02

[sempervivum]

Agreeing that the brother was the obvious villain from the moment he was introduced. Sick of the whole serial killer and profiler storylines, too. 

Why does the FBI: Most Wanted spinoff have a place on the landing page list of 'Dramas', but the OG has to be hunted for in the 'Other Dramas' purgatory?

[illdoc]

1 hour ago, sempervivum said:

Why does the FBI: Most Wanted spinoff have a place on the landing page list of 'Dramas', but the OG has to be hunted for in the 'Other Dramas' purgatory?

FBI is all in one thread. Presumably, they are expecting FBI:MW to have multi-threads/sub-forums (like the original did--one for each episode, "in the media", cast/characters, etc.) That's probably the difference!

[nittany cougar]

I think Kristen is a goner.  She was in a huge pool of blood, with no end in sight. I thought they were indicating that the assailant got her in the jugular vein, and she was bleeding out.

If she doesn't die from her wounds, she will at least be too disabled to be a FBI field agent.   Maybe she'll recover and work the desk.

 Who knows, though? She could make a miraculous recovery.  I have to admit I have been bitching all season about how much I dislike Kristen.   She just annoyed me. Maybe I'm not the only one.

Edited December 19, 2019 by nittanycougar

[The Ringo Kidd]

 Didn’t see this episode.

Was she wearing a red shirt?

[LisaM]

I don't think that they will kill their only agent of color. 

[12catcrazy]

On 12/18/2019 at 1:25 AM, preeya said:

The bigger question is why was Maggie paired with Kristin and OA paired with Scola for the takedown?   And how did the father/detective get into the act?  That ending scene was really screwed up.

ETA: the master profiler is the Mayor of New Orleans on NCIS: New Orleans.

In agreement about the ending scene but other than having Kristin get knifed, the show was so predictable from when we saw Suspect #1's Mother and Brother.  I saw the mom's red hair and said to my viewing companion, "The brother did it.  The mom has red hair; all the vics have red hair - the brother is probably resentful that mom spent years hunting the kidnapped son and son #2 is taking it out on the pretty redheads in lieu of mom"  Yawn.  

And I KNEW I saw that profiler woman on another show!  Was her hair or makeup different on NCIS NO?  

[Waterston Fan]

I admit, I didn't think it was the brother but it makes sense now. I'm late to the replying party. lol

I like Kristen but I don't understand the training thing she did. Did she feel she messed up or does Scola not tell her anything? 

[mythoughtis]

Naturally the only episode that reminds us Kristen is a rookie field agent is the one where she gets hurt.  All season they’ve been having her solve cases and act  as a seasoned agent.  It was so noticeable it bothered me every episode. I like the character and the actress, I hope she’s back. 

[Raja]

9 minutes ago, mythoughtis said:

Naturally the only episode that reminds us Kristen is a rookie field agent is the one where she gets hurt.  All season they’ve been having her solve cases and act  as a seasoned agent.  It was so noticeable it bothered me every episode. I like the character and the actress, I hope she’s back. 

Agent Bell was an ex police officer before the FBI while Agent Zidan was an Army Ranger officer. So I guess Agent Chazal was just a civilian analyst before becoming a Special Agent?

[mythoughtis]

21 minutes ago, Raja said:

Agent Bell was an ex police officer before the FBI while Agent Zidan was an Army Ranger officer. So I guess Agent Chazal was just a civilian analyst before becoming a Special Agent?

I think so- but then I don’t remember that we ever got a back story on her.   According to the ridiculous series Quantico( which I unfortunately watched),analysts do get some basic training. 

[WendyCR72]

Here is the synopsis for S02.E11: "Fallout", airing on January 7, 2020:

After a businessman with a history of harassment claims against him is killed, the team suspects it may be one of his many accusers.

[mxc90]

Some questionable decisions in the field from Maggie and OA:

1. Maggie is prepared to shoot Sarah as she turns around and OA quickly jumps in front of Maggie to shoot Sarah. OA could have been shot in the back.

2. Maggie (not wearing a wire) assumes 20 agents are backing her up as she decides to deviate from the plan. She's lucky Shoals only knocked her down and didn't shoot her.

Maggie probably feels guilty for seeing Kristin because she will be reminded she didn't bother to check the criminal for any weapons that led to Kristen's injury.

Real smart for Emily to walk in on her first day and tell the upset group she is the "new Kristin". How could she not know an agent was stabbed the day before and fighting for her life?

It was nice ( for a change) to see Scola and Emily sit back/watch as the Jubal and the others connect the dots.

Did Jubal "jinx it" by tossing the wrist band in the trash before Kristen's return?

[Xeliou66]

I thought this episode did a pretty good job of balancing out the case with Kristen’s situation. I pretty much knew Kristen would survive but they handled it well. 

I once again called the perp the minute she appeared on screen, I thought it was obvious she was behind it, however the stuff about the woman he was eating lunch with being his daughter I didn’t see coming and I liked the twists the episode took in getting to the bottom of it. 

I thought it made sense that everyone was a bit off given the situation with Kristen but yes it was very risky to do what Maggie did. I liked Jubal’s coolness in managing the situation from the office. 

How did Scola’s new partner not know that Kristen had been stabbed? That seemed really weird to me. I wonder how long she will be on the show. I do like Scola a lot, he’s been a good addition to the show. 

I’m still liking how a lot of people in the office are getting stuff to do and I like their interactions with Jubal and how everyone is working together to piece things together. 

Overall this was a pretty good episode. 

[preeya]

Will someone ever think that when following or seeing a perp on the street they should get close enough to apprehend before hollering "Stop, FBI" from a football field's length (100 yards) away.

 

[UnknownK]

1 hour ago, preeya said:

Will someone ever think that when following or seeing a perp on the street they should get close enough to apprehend before hollering "Stop, FBI" from a football field's length (100 yards) away.

 

Then you need more padding in the show because there would be no chase scenes and nobody would get shot.

[Dowel Jones]

4 hours ago, mxc90 said:

Did Jubal "jinx it" by tossing the wrist band in the trash before Kristen's return?

I had this mental image of Jubal missing the can, and the director calling out "Okay, Jubal shoots the rubber band into the trash can, Take 16.  Action!"

You would think a professional assassin would have no qualms about whirling around and drilling both Maggie and OA on the street.  She already had one murder against her; why worry about two FBI agents?  I mean, that's what Villanelle would do.

As soon as the agents heard that the dead businessman was dying of cancer, I thought it would have been prudent to check on his will to see who gets what.  They would have had that conversation with the attorney a lot earlier.  Having said that, even with the director gone, does the foundation get that money?  The poor waitress is going to be pissed!

[Netfoot]

Going to be an exceptional agent?

Haven't seen any sign of that so far.  Only incompetence, clumsiness and poor agenting skills. Guess if she'd been killed she would automatically have become a candidate for canonization!

[preeya]

9 hours ago, UnknownK said:

Then you need more padding in the show because there would be no chase scenes and nobody would get shot.

Yeah, that too. But once in awhile can't there be a clean arrest without a chase.

It's gotten to the point (on all cop shows) where the call out and ensuing chase is S.O.P.

[Dowel Jones]

You know, if my carotid artery had been nicked and then sewed back up, I damn sure wouldn't be taking any chances of rupturing the sutures by doing something unnecessary in the jawline area, such as, maybe, talking.

[MerBearHou]

1 minute ago, Dowel Jones said:

You know, if my carotid artery had been nicked and then sewed back up, I damn sure wouldn't be taking any chances of rupturing the sutures by doing something unnecessary in the jawline area, such as, maybe, talking.

I thought the same thing last night -- way too much talking and moving of her neck.  Didn't seem to make a bit of sense.  You'd think she'd be in a neckbrace or something to immobilize her neck for a good length of time.

[Waterston Fan]

This episode was okay but I always thought Kristen was going to come back. The agent who took over for her, I don't know how she didn't know that Kristen was the one who she is temporarily replacing. 

I do like the twists later and I wish Maggie didn't do crazy things but glad OA seems to know her well enough to keep an eye on her. 

[Dowel Jones]

6 hours ago, Waterston Fan said:

I wish Maggie didn't do crazy things

I wonder if the show is setting her up for some kind of enforced absence, a la New Amsterdam, to allow  Missy Peregrym to take some maternity leave.

[AnnA]

On January 8, 2020 at 12:39 AM, preeya said:

Will someone ever think that when following or seeing a perp on the street they should get close enough to apprehend before hollering "Stop, FBI" from a football field's length (100 yards) away.

 

 I'm so glad you brought this up.   It's not just this show; they're all doing it and it drives me crazy.   The call out is always premature and leads to a chase.  

[WendyCR72]

Here is the description for S02.E12: "Hard Decisions", to air on January 14, 2020:

A bank hold-up leads the team to a safe deposit box, the contents of which have the potential to destroy national security. Also, Kristen is eager to get back into field work while other team members still have their concerns.

[mxc90]

Adam Mizrah is a honest thief. He only takes the memory stick from the safety box and leaves the $40,000 in cash. I admire that!

How long was Jubal waiting to say the 'fatal error" line?

The first person that wants to kill Bates/Sentinel is the hot dog vendor for throwing away the buns every two or three times a week. 

Almost felt bad for the Sentinel (Manson wannabe). He got caught because he was responsible to wash his dishes and careless to not wash his clothes so the dog could track him to the panic room. He was so close to tears when he realized his bomb plan failed. 

Too bad for Kristen! She got screwed and is never getting out of the JOC now. Jubal couldn't see the look of disappointment on her face.

So why was Agent Emily Ryder added to the show? Kristen could have stayed in the field and those background agents in the JOC could provide the same skills she has in deducing. 

[Xeliou66]

I really liked this episode - the plot was very good and took some nice twists and I really liked how the story resolved itself with Jubal tricking the villain, that was great. 

The interactions between the characters were good, particularly between Jubal and Isobel, I like their dynamic a lot, they had nice chemistry on Law and Order and they have good chemistry here. 

I found the villains to be extremely unlikable and was glad to see them all go down. 

So I wonder how long Kristen will be in the office? And will Emily stay on for a while? Should be interesting to watch. 

[LisaM]

I thought that Jeremy Davies did a nice job as Sentinel. 

[Chaos Theory]

I am not sure about the Kristen story but they might be going for the “she is awesome at this job but passable at that job”.  Where would you have her especially where lives are at risk?   No matter how much she wants to be an agent she might not be agent material but damn is she the best at what she does in the office.   

[Waterston Fan]

2 hours ago, Chaos Theory said:

I am not sure about the Kristen story but they might be going for the “she is awesome at this job but passable at that job”.  Where would you have her especially where lives are at risk?   No matter how much she wants to be an agent she might not be agent material but damn is she the best at what she does in the office.   

That could be true but I admit, do you think Maggie said something to Jubal or do you think Jubal noticed she didn't seem ready? I think three weeks is a bit short but not sure how long agents take getting back when they get hurt. 

I liked the episode, just a shame that Isobel got lied to but I want to think that the NYPD did a sweep of the NYSE to make sure there is no bomb. 

[illdoc]

Incidentally, it seemed awfully bright out (you could tell through Jubal's blinds) for 7:30 am! Here (in Chicago), it's still kind of dark (or at least dim) at that time. But, of course, if it had been dark out, Sentinel would have realized it wasn't 9:30 am & that it was a hoax.

[UnknownK]

21 hours ago, mxc90 said:

Adam Mizrah is a honest thief. He only takes the memory stick from the safety box and leaves the $40,000 in cash. I admire that!

How long was Jubal waiting to say the 'fatal error" line?

The first person that wants to kill Bates/Sentinel is the hot dog vendor for throwing away the buns every two or three times a week. 

Almost felt bad for the Sentinel (Manson wannabe). He got caught because he was responsible to wash his dishes and careless to not wash his clothes so the dog could track him to the panic room. He was so close to tears when he realized his bomb plan failed. 

Too bad for Kristen! She got screwed and is never getting out of the JOC now. Jubal couldn't see the look of disappointment on her face.

So why was Agent Emily Ryder added to the show? Kristen could have stayed in the field and those background agents in the JOC could provide the same skills she has in deducing. 

I assume the thieves were going to get paid very very well (I mean the hacker stole $2M just from the FBI a few months back and that thumbdrive is his life) and $40K or whatever else was around would have cut into their 3 minute get in and out time.

The new agent is going to be needed if or when the lead actress who is pregnant gets too fat to hide or needs time off after childbirth.

Kristen has always seem super confident and competent in the office with computers and not so much out in the field (no matter what the rest of the FBI says). 

In the real world people who do well keep getting promoted until they find a position they suck at and are miserable when stuck there.

[threebluestars]

I wonder if they've brought the new agent on so they'll have someone to cover when Missy Peregrym goes on mat leave? I've noticed they've given names and personalities to more of the computer analysts, so I was wondering if they're setting up to cover that - they could put Kristin back in the field and not really lose anyone from JOC since we're getting to know more of them.

[WendyCR72]

Here is the description for S02.E13, "Payback", to air on January 21, 2020:

When the son of a well-known retired FBI agent is taken just blocks from their home in what appears to be a revenge kidnapping, the team must uncover if it's tied to the agent's past or trouble the son has gotten into on his own. Also, Isobel must make a hard call when information from the past comes to light.

[mxc90]

On 1/15/2020 at 7:28 PM, UnknownK said:

I assume the thieves were going to get paid very very well (I mean the hacker stole $2M just from the FBI a few months back and that thumbdrive is his life) and $40K or whatever else was around would have cut into their 3 minute get in and out time.

If $40k is placed right there to be grabbed..... you make time and take it.

 

Back in the day, Dan must have thought Isobel was a real gullible supervisor and would never do a thorough follow up to know if he took the million dollars from the drug bust. He probably left the scene with bags of money right in front of her.

The way SWAT stormed that house with no plan, they are lucky Jake wasn't in the living room and hit by their gun fire.

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Xeliou66]

Another very good episode IMO - I like the twists it took, although it was very coincidental that Jake got beat up by another kid on the day he was about to be kidnapped. That was the only flaw with the episode IMO, I liked it otherwise, it was a good case and investigation and I really liked how everyone got a nice role - all of the field agents plus the background people in the office. I had a feeling Dan was going to be dirty but I still liked how the case played out. 

I liked Jubal digging in to Dan’s past and knowing something was up with Isobel and I liked that he wasn’t afraid to confront her about it. I liked Isobel doing the right thing once she got the proof and having Scola and Emily arrest Dan, Jake’s kidnapping was pretty much Dan’s fault, I felt no sympathy for Dan. I like how by the book everyone is and how Isobel ignored Dan’s pleas to look the other way. 

Overall another very good, enjoyable case and episode. 

[LisaM]

I liked that the action was spread around and not mostly focused on Maggie/OA. Perhaps that is because of Missy's pregnancy but regardless, it made for a better show. 

[Waterston Fan]

I liked this episode too and it was Dan's fault for sure. Its funny how you remember a name after five years. 

I loved how Jubal called out Isobel. I bet noone would confront their boss like that. 

[preeya]

23 hours ago, Waterston Fan said:

I liked this episode too and it was Dan's fault for sure. Its funny how you remember a name after five years. 

I loved how Jubal called out Isobel. I bet no one would confront their boss like that. 

I can't fathom why she got so pissed at Jubal. After-all, she was already suspicious and he was 100% correct. He's like her 2nd in command so he should be able to "talk" to her.

[MerBearHou]

4 minutes ago, preeya said:

I can't fathom why she got so pissed at Jubal. After-all, she was already suspicious and he was 100% correct. He's like her 2nd in command so he should be able to "talk" to her.

When Isobel got so offended and told Jubal to leave her office, my husband and I couldn't believe it -- we both said "yeah right, she is way more professional than that".  It was bizarre and seemed out of character.  Jubal was right, of course.

[Waterston Fan]

55 minutes ago, preeya said:

I can't fathom why she got so pissed at Jubal. After-all, she was already suspicious and he was 100% correct. He's like her 2nd in command so he should be able to "talk" to her.

Only reason I can think of is, she was scared of what her suspicions were and maybe having Jubal make his suspicions and she realized he was right but she had to make sure that he was right. 

[Carmel Cub]

I must have missed something, but was there ever an explanation as to why the son had $5,000 cash in his baseball glove?

[preeya]

14 minutes ago, Carmel Cub said:

I must have missed something, but was there ever an explanation as to why the son had $5,000 cash in his baseball glove?

He was selling "study drugs" to students.

[WendyCR72]

Here is the episode description for S02.E14, "Studio Gangster", to air on January 28, 2020:

When a U.S. attorney is found dead steps away from the body of a private escort, the team must piece together what connected the two seemingly random victims. Also, Jubal’s connection with one of the victims makes finding the killer much more personal.

[mxc90]

Is breaking out in song the new way to make sure the rejected person doesn't make any more attempts?

Did Jubal make sure his badge and gun were shown to intimidate the principal/teacher?

Jubal is proud his son didn't rat out the other student?! Funny! Most of his business is to break people down in interrogation. His ex-wife sure wasn't happy with that.

Jubal must secretly really hate Big Tracey's music to let him get that beating. It was nice of the gang to not put any bruises on Tracey's face and just focused on the body. That beating would not have made Suge Knight proud.

Davina is lucky Jubal was on some guilt trip and gave her a pass.

Where was TMZ to catch Thumper and Tracey out in the public?

So Thumper was the killer from the start and nothing shady with Conway or Tracey's manager. The writers took a pass on any twists and turns with this one.

 

Edited January 29, 2020 by mxc90

[WendyCR72]

I know this sounds dumb, more than likely, but I do like that the mother of the murdered kid that Jubal kept getting shut down by wasn't all grateful to Jubal as some savior.

Maybe her behavior was strident and too angry, but too many times on cop shows (hi, SVU!), the cops make an arrest/do whatever and all is forgiven and the focal cop (hey, Olivia!) becomes said savior.

I liked that Jubal's past with this kid made this case more realistic in terms of the reactions, etc. Not everything is pretty and gets a pretty upbeat ending.

Like I said, probably small potatoes and sounds dumb, but just my take here.

[Xeliou66]

That was as straightforward of an episode as I can remember - it was a decent episode but the case was solved quickly, it was just about getting the evidence to prove it. 

I thought it was a very low move to make the rapper think he was being shot at, I thought they could’ve come up with another way to try to get him to cooperate, that could’ve backfired massively. 

I liked the scene between Jubal and Isobel in Isobel’s office, I like their interactions. 

I also liked that the mother of the victim wasn’t all thankful towards Jubal at the end, it kept things more realistic and I liked that it wasn’t a cliched ending. 

I liked Scola’s tackle of Thumper at the end, Scola and his partner didn’t get much to do in this episode but that was great. 

[The Ringo Kidd]

I thought this was an excellent episode and was very realistic. Especially how the Mom still hated Jubal at the end.
 

Do they have new writers?

[Dowel Jones]

4 hours ago, Xeliou66 said:

it was a decent episode but the case was solved quickly, it was just about getting the evidence to prove it. 

Such as a complete dependence on known-to-be-inaccurate facial recognition software (especially with African-Americans),  and some intuitive leaps.  Oh, a picture that looks like her is on an escort service brochure?  She must be an escort!  And I'm pretty sure that using someone outside the PD to rifle through a house to get evidence is considered the same as the cops rifling through the house, i.e., you still need a warrant.  Nothing personal, xelihou66, I just shake my head at some of the shortcuts used in police procedurals, sometimes.

Was the accusation that the rapper had participated in an armed robber accurate?  His manager/quasi-attorney either was right that it was nothing, or he was bluffing the agents. If it was true, OA did have him over a barrel with that 'you aren't done til' I say you're done' thing.  If not, he had nothing over him.  In then end, though, he's no more safer with Thumper off the streets.  There's a whole gang behind him.

Maggie (Missy) is getting big!  They better think of something pretty fast.

[Netfoot]

5 hours ago, Dowel Jones said:

Maggie (Missy) is getting big!  They better think of something pretty fast.

They could shoot her...

She could spend several episodes in a hospital bed, and they could shoot all those scenes in one go and dole them out as needed on an episode by episode basis.  

[dubbel zout]

10 hours ago, Xeliou66 said:

I liked the scene between Jubal and Isobel in Isobel’s office, I like their interactions. 

I was kind of surprised he wasn't reprimanded more forcefully when Isobel realized there was a connection to one of the victim's mother. He really should have been removed from the case at that point.

10 hours ago, Xeliou66 said:

I liked Scola’s tackle of Thumper at the end,

Same here. It was blocked well, too—he sort of came flying out of nowhere.