S13.E12: Bitter Pill to Swallow

[ZettaK]

19 minutes ago, Starlight925 said:

Wow, so now we have two people who state that AM misrepresented herself as an anesthesiologist.  I wish someone had recorded this, as she could face disciplinary action or even lose her license.

Not to mention all the medical opinions she throws around.

The words "anesthesiologist" and "anesthetist" are very different-sounding words, plus one has the word "nurse" in front of it.  

AnnA Marie, take several seats, darling.

I doubt Teddi or others understood. It sounds the same anyway. I checked her IG when she first appeared the show, and she always had Nurse Anesthetist as her profession. 

5 minutes ago, ww92 said:

It's possible that she called herself a "nurse anesthesiologist" but all the other people hear is "anesthesiologist". Annemarie does seem to use "nurse anesthetist" and "nurse anesthesiologist" interchangeably. I wasn't able to find what the rules are in CA but in other states it's illegal for CRNA's to call themselves "nurse anesthesiologists" because it confuses patients. The AMA is against it.

While there is no question about the level of service and professionalism CRNAs bring to anesthesia care, they are not anesthesiologists, in the same way nurses are not physicians.

Besides, haven't all of us heard of CRNA's at this point and know the difference between them and doctors? I'm pretty sure I had CRNA's at my last few outpatient procedures and had no issues with them. They had the good drugs the same as the MD's. 🤣

Well, she said NURSE Anesthetist, and even if she said Nurse Anesthesiologist, she didn't say plain Anesthesiologist which is a doctor.

Edited January 21 by ZettaK

[Baltimore Betty]

My son has been an EMT, (and knows how to insert an airway in any size esophagus), and an anesthesiologist tech at University of Maryland Shock Trauma, he always made sure when telling someone what he did he said "tech," clearly, he did not want to misrepresent those who did a zillion years of schooling.

My daughter in love is a board certified, licensed Physicians Assistant, I trust her opinion in all things medical, she has never told anyone she is a doctor.  AnneMarie probably gets tired of trying to explain her job title and duties so maybe she can give a little grace to Crystal about miss-communication between them, but we have all seen that AnneMarie does not back down, self correct, take a breath no matter what...unless you dangle a free trip in front of her then she will apologize to the person hosting the trip.

Kyle certainly goes to extremes trying to shift the focus off of her personal life, bringing in AnneMarie to cause a distraction and then not backing her up and still having AM in Kyle's corner is sort amazing.

 

[dmeets]

Not-quite-a-9 has been caught lying several times regarding the words “eating disorder.” I find it 100% likely she exaggerates her credentials.

[Slakkie]

3 hours ago, ZettaK said:

Does she has a sister? She never mentioned a sister, and in old, or newer photos you see only her brother. 

She mentioned her sister on the After Show. Her father had been married prior and she mentioned her sister was an Anesthesiologist so she was aware of the difference. 

[SassyCat]

9 hours ago, ZettaK said:

Does she has a sister? She never mentioned a sister, and in old, or newer photos you see only her brother. 

A tiny little baby Crystal!! So cute! Amazing how you can clearly see Crystal in that adorable infants face. Such a natural beauty. 

[pasdetrois]

All the PAs I've encountered explain their training and jobs as "we can do anything an MD can do except 'cut' (surgery)." That's the key distinction between PAs and MDs.

[Keywestclubkid]

15 hours ago, ZettaK said:

I doubt Teddi or others understood. It sounds the same anyway. I checked her IG when she first appeared the show, and she always had Nurse Anesthetist as her profession. 

Well, she said NURSE Anesthetist, and even if she said Nurse Anesthesiologist, she didn't say plain Anesthesiologist which is a doctor.

No what the issue is ..is she is stating she does everything a Anesthesiologist does blah blah blah when that isnt true its on the after show when they do the interviews she basically says its the same job pretty much

[Yours Truly]

So I looked around a bit on line and it does show that Nurse Anesthesiologist is an acceptable term to use and is  synonymous to Nurse Anesthetist. I say this only to keep the eye on the prize. AnneMarie is actually describing true information and is explaining things that actually occur in 27 states. CRNA CAN work independently without a Doctors supervision in the Anesthesiology field.

In 27 states CRNA's (which includes Nurse Anesthetist/Anesthesiologist) can actually perform independently during surgical procedures. There are  different models that outline different collaborative and/or supervised procedures when practicing independently that can be implemented by the establishment they are working in (clinic, hospital, private practice).

AnneMarie has said that she is a CRNA and since her specific field is anesthesiology she very well could have met the requirements to be providing this particular services INDEPENDT of supervision. Question is HAS SHE? Is that how she is currently practicing? It sounds like she's describing a level where she COULD practice considering the education and certifications she has under her belt because as a CRNA in California (one of the 27 states that allow CRNA to practice independently once they are licensed) she can, but my question is does she go into any surgeries WITHOUT supervision? Is that the current set up where she works now? She could very well be working under one of the models that still have physician supervision because although the state recognizes her credentials and permits her to work independently it is still the establishments discretion on whether they will allow her to. Each practice determines how they want to run their medical team.  

The part that is distasteful is that she is trying to put herself on the same level as MD's and although it looks like CRNA's do in fact have a good amount of independent decision making and performance freedom she chose the wrong way to go about highlighting that detail about her particular profession and her particular skillset. 

Example: I'm a Marine. I achieved the rank of Sgt. I'm in the military and so is a PFC but that doesn't mean that the PFC is at the same level as a Sgt. or a Sgt. is the same level as a Master Sergeant. An NCO has no business equating themselves to a SNCO even if they perform the duties of a SNCO which does sometime happen in the form of billets (job titles, positions that are usually reserved for a certain rank but can be filled by a lower rank if the need arises). In these situations a certain amount of authority is bestowed upon the lower ranking service member, which they can wield depending on the situation but in those circumstances the Marine still needs to maintain a respect level for ranks above his.

AnneMarie is flexing in a way that's inappropriate even though she is citing legit information. There are ways to assert your experience, knowledge and profession without overstating your title. That's usually a no no in most professions. 

Edited January 22 by Yours Truly

[RoseAllDay]

16 hours ago, ww92 said:

Annemarie has a video on her IG that  she posted 4 days ago where she's having a conversation with a Nurse Practitioner and they're talking about how no one knows what either of them do. At one point the other guy (the NP) says it generally comes down to people asking him if he's their nurse or their doctor. Then Annemarie goes on a rant about how as advanced practice nurses they've had all of this education and board certifications but they're relegated to "not the doctor" (complete with air quotes) because people don't know what their scope of practice  is. The funniest part is that the NP is in regular clothes and she's in scrubs. She also has a separate video where she's in an OR acting like she's getting everything ready for a procedure so of course she's in full surgical gear. Guess she wants to make sure we know that she is a MEDICAL PROFESSIONAL.

Also, I read somewhere that Teddi said on  her podcast that when she first met Annemarie that  she'd introduced herself an an anesthesiologist. And I don't think Teddi would say that if it wasn't true because Kyle is her BFF and Annemarie is Kyle's lapdog. 

Wouldn’t it be simply glorious if the California state medical board got wind of this and decided to look into it?

I believe the nautical term for this is “hoisted on her own petard”.

🤣

[Pi237]

AM's title or misrepresentation of, isn't why she's not getting any respect from the other ladies (or viewers.) Of course, she grabbed onto that to play victim and distract from the real issue-her shitty personality.   Even if she Were a Doctor, and were somehow right about Sutton's diagnosis, she'd still be a sour, conceited know-it-all buzzkill. 

[hoodooznoodooz]

1 hour ago, Keywestclubkid said:

No what the issue is ..is she is stating she does everything a Anesthesiologist does blah blah blah when that isnt true its on the after show when they do the interviews she basically says its the same job pretty much

THIS.

[RealHousewife]

40 minutes ago, Pi237 said:

AM's title or misrepresentation of, isn't why she's not getting any respect from the other ladies (or viewers.) Of course, she grabbed onto that to play victim and distract from the real issue-her shitty personality.   Even if she Were a Doctor, and were somehow right about Sutton's diagnosis, she'd still be a sour, conceited know-it-all buzzkill. 

Agree. For me, it's not about whether or not AM pretended to be a doctor. It will be hard to prove it either way, because there weren't cameras rolling when Crystal and Teddi heard anesthesiologist. I can also understand not hearing NURSE anesthesiologist. It's her weaponizing her medical knowledge and belittling people's symptoms. Dr. Moon (RHOD) and Dr. Martin (RHOM) both made great quick videos about this. One thing Dr. Martin said was when you go the medical route, you are supposed to be an advocate for patients. AM decided to make Sutton her patient and then did the opposite of advocate for her. 

If AM is typically a kind, professional woman with great bedside manner, I feel bad that she's gotten this huge backlash. BUT if this is typical of her, maybe it's good it happened so she learned you don't go around mocking people for their health issues, grilling them when they're not even patients of yours, etc. It was all so inappropriate. 

[Yours Truly]

I just don't want it to turn into some "well AnneMarie wasn't wrong TECHNICALLY" and I also don't want it to turn into the housewives tripping into a place where AnneMarie is able to assert that the others are in fact mistaken. I don't want any scenario that absolves AnneMarie even slightly. If the women don't trend lightly and accurately it can be spun into AnneMarie "isn't incorrect when said this or that" and Crystal is mistaken in saying that AnneMarie overstated anything. 

The problem truly lies in the fact that AnneMarie has weaponized her medical background in order to accuse Sutton of lying about having a condition. I would rather stay focused on that distasteful bit of nasty behavior and not get too caught up on AnneMarie's grandstanding. 

Well actually I have no problem with them calling AnneMarie out on her attempts at flexing by distastefully comparing Anesthesiologists  to Nurse Anesthetist as one and the same but I first I want them to just call out the basic trifling behavior of being all up in someone else's medicial business to such a disgusting degree. That deserves all the energy first then they can tackle her corny and unnecessary professional flex.

[ww92]

48 minutes ago, Yours Truly said:

I just don't want it to turn into some "well AnneMarie wasn't wrong TECHNICALLY" and I also don't want it to turn into the housewives tripping into a place where AnneMarie is able to assert that the others are in fact mistaken. I don't want any scenario that absolves AnneMarie even slightly. If the women don't trend lightly and accurately it can be spun into AnneMarie "isn't incorrect when said this or that" and Crystal is mistaken in saying that AnneMarie overstated anything. 

The problem truly lies in the fact that AnneMarie has weaponized her medical background in order to accuse Sutton of lying about having a condition. I would rather stay focused on that distasteful bit of nasty behavior and not get too caught up on AnneMarie's grandstanding. 

Well actually I have no problem with them calling AnneMarie out on her attempts at flexing by distastefully comparing Anesthesiologists  to Nurse Anesthetist as one and the same but I first I want them to just call out the basic trifling behavior of being all up in someone else's medicial business to such a disgusting degree. That deserves all the energy first then they can tackle her corny and unnecessary professional flex.

👏 to the bolded (that's supposed to be a clapping emoji but it kind of looks  like a taco?). First she made statements as if they were fact that there is no such thing as a small esophagus and that you cannot drink while on gamapentin or whatever  that drug is called. And when Sutton pushed back, Annemarie then called  her a liar and has been declaring non freaking stop that she is a MEDICAL PROFESSIONAL, therefore she knows all of these things to be facts. And she talked to ALL OF THE OTHER MEDICAL PROFESSIONALS and they all agreed with her.  When Sutton asked if Annemarie was a doctor Annemarie got all huffy and again announced that she is a MEDICAL PROFESSIONAL. Sutton never even asked for her opinion to begin with!

[Natalie68]

On 1/20/2024 at 11:47 AM, Dramamama said:

No one ever brings up how much of an a$$ Maurizio is. He always stirs the pot. There was no reason for him to make Sutton's esophagus the very first thing he says to her when he arrives. He drops digs like that then laughs it off and he gets a pass. What a jerk!

I was watching Behind the Velvet Rope and the host, David Yontef and his buddy Sarah Frasier were at the Homeless not Toothless event and sat near Kyle/Mauricio.  Besides saying Mo came out of the bathroom in a cloud of pot smoke, he and Kyle looked completely fine together.  No sign at all they were having issues.  I still don't know if I believe their breakup.  I do believe nothing is as it seems with them whatever that means.  Oh, and I LOATHE them both.  Mo is a total dick and besides looking terrible, Kyle is not a girls girl.  Everyone is either competition or her mouthpiece/spoon for stirring shit.

[Blondie]

I (in the past) have been on gabapentin,  Neurotin ("neurotton"), and Topamax ("dope amax") not all at the same tim.  Had all the nasty side effects.  I suffer from CRPS, and my PC doctor  knows that I drink hard liquor and wine.  He  still  prescribed .  Annemarie  can shove it where the sun doesn't  shine.  I know my risks.   She needs to let this go.   Sutton is not  her patient. 

Edited January 22 by Blondie
Darn spell check

[ww92]

Can you imagine going for surgery and realizing Annemarie is in charge of your anesthesia? "You're lying that you can feel this and you're in pain. I'm a MEDICAL PROFESSIONAL! I asked all of the other MEDICAL PROFESSIONALS and they agree that you're lying. You must  have an eating disorder. Did I mention that  I'm a MEDICAL PROFESSIONAL??"

Edited January 23 by ww92
hit enter too soon by accident

[Cheezwiz]

On 1/18/2024 at 5:41 AM, Pi237 said:

Ooh wait, I’m forgetting her fake yellow flower room she re-designed aka took all the personality out of at that restaurant Del Boca Vista or whatever it was called. 

With the fake vines and lemons from the dollar store!😜 Dorit really is ridiculous.

[njbchlover]

On 1/20/2024 at 6:54 PM, hoodooznoodooz said:

“My aim is to educate the pubic.”

AnneMarie should look back at the last season of the original RHONY - Leah and Eboni tried to "educate the public" - it didn't work out too well for them, either.

Real Housewives shows are really not the right platform for trying to educate the public - they're freaking fluff shows about supposedly well-to-do women and their social lives, or at least that's what they were supposed to be, and why people started watching.

Edited January 24 by njbchlover
Edited to include "the original" referring to RHONY - not the reboot

[politichick]

36 minutes ago, njbchlover said:

AnneMarie should look back at the last season of RHONY - Leah and Eboni tried to "educate the public" - it didn't work out too well for them, either.

Real Housewives shows are really not the right platform for trying to educate the public - they're freaking fluff shows about supposedly well-to-do women and their social lives, or at least that's what they were supposed to be, and why people started watching.

Not to mention the bitch was trying to do it with false information. Cannot wait for her demise! She's not going to know what hit her at the reunion, I pray!

[heatherchandler]

On 1/17/2024 at 9:06 PM, Baltimore Betty said:

I loved Taylor Dayne back in the day.  Every time I hear her name I think of this hysterical story Tig Nataro tells about meeting T.Dayne, it seems TDayne does not have a good sense of humor.

 

“I love your voice!”

I love that story!  🤣

 

 

On 1/18/2024 at 9:38 AM, Axie said:

Probably. I think he’s a secret drinker. I’ve noticed that he’s always in a hurry to go out to the yard first thing in the morning and he always goes out there right before I go to bed so his stash is probably out there. 

Have you caught him in THREE lies since you got him??

 

 

On 1/19/2024 at 6:03 PM, wallies said:

Isn't Nicole from RHOM a real Anesthesiologist? She and AnnaBanana would be an interesting combo...

She was on WWHL and had a nice little takedown of AM.

 

On 1/20/2024 at 5:33 PM, Mar said:

She tried to drag Sutton through the mud.  Shes just mad it ended up being dragged.  She’s too dumb for this show, if that’s even possible!

 

I usually hate when all the women, and the audience go after one woman.  I don’t like a gang-up.  But with AM, I'm so glad she’s being ganged-up on.  Even by the ASA!  She’s just so nasty.  Even if she did it to be “in” with Kyle, which is pathetic, she still deserves this.

Edited January 24 by heatherchandler

[whydoievencare]

I'm late to the party here, but - way to go Crystal!  Standing ovation!!!  AnneMarie is full of shit and has a hard on for Sutton. Anne Marie clearly doesn't know everything but she won't admit to her wrongdoing.  Sutton sees a specialist for her condition - which clearly AnneMarie isn't.  And certainly, there are shades of grey regarding medications - ie.  don't drink with certain drugs, but in reality, people do drink with those drugs and doctors are aware.  Former nurse here, I've met nurses like her who are always certain, but as the saying going:  always certain, seldom right.  I sure wouldn't want AnneMarie  anywhere near me, in any capacity.

 

[Miss Bones]

On 1/19/2024 at 11:18 PM, njbchlover said:

I'm sorry to be a bitch about physical appearance, but seriously, does Annemarie have an overly large forehead?  

I know she says her husband said that in everything, including looks, she's an "8.5", but I'm also sorry to admit that in my opinion, I don't think she quite there in the looks department.  IMO, she's very low on the "looks" totem pole based on the Real Housewives, past and present.

Overly large and SHINY forehead. I get oily sometimes, too.  Dust a little powder on that shit, just ONCE, please! 😧

[Glama]

On 1/20/2024 at 7:27 PM, JenE4 said:

This is fantastic news. We need a confrontation in which Crystal brings her anesthesiologist sister, Sutton brings her gastroenterologist, and Erika brings her dentist, so we can go off from the full digestive system and process (which starts with the mouth/chewing) and then cross-examine Annemarie about anesthesiology. This is the only payoff that would make an entire season about esophagate worth it.

Thank you for this beautiful gem of an idea 😄 Made me laugh so hard!

I'm so happy the forum is up and running again. I've missed you guys and the snark ❤️

[ZettaK]

On 1/21/2024 at 8:01 PM, dmeets said:

Not-quite-a-9 has been caught lying several times regarding the words “eating disorder.” I find it 100% likely she exaggerates her credentials.

But she didn't exaggerate her credentials. She never said on the show, or her social media that she is a doctor. Crystal claimed she said she was a doctor, but she could have misunderstood. Crystal also claimed that she never said the other women are uneducated and superficial, but Bravo showed clips where she did. She also accused Sutton for two seasons of being racist ("you don't see color?"), and she doubled down by saying she said something "dark".

 

On 1/22/2024 at 10:01 AM, Keywestclubkid said:

No what the issue is ..is she is stating she does everything a Anesthesiologist does blah blah blah when that isnt true its on the after show when they do the interviews she basically says its the same job pretty much

She does the same as an anesthesiologist. Tasks of a nurse anesthetist and an anesthesiologist below.

On 1/22/2024 at 9:47 AM, pasdetrois said:

All the PAs I've encountered explain their training and jobs as "we can do anything an MD can do except 'cut' (surgery)." That's the key distinction between PAs and MDs.

And an anesthesiologist doesn't even have to cut.

Edited February 20 by ZettaK

[ZettaK]

On 1/22/2024 at 10:27 AM, RoseAllDay said:

Wouldn’t it be simply glorious if the California state medical board got wind of this and decided to look into it?

I believe the nautical term for this is “hoisted on her own petard”.

🤣

The California State Medical Board wouldn't do anything as she didn't misrepresent what she does. Crystal claimed she said she was a doctor, but AM never said this in public, on the show, in interviews, or put it in her social media.

[ZettaK]

On 1/24/2024 at 1:56 PM, heatherchandler said:

She was on WWHL and had a nice little takedown of AM.

 

She tried to drag Sutton through the mud.  Shes just mad it ended up being dragged.  She’s too dumb for this show, if that’s even possible!

 

I usually hate when all the women, and the audience go after one woman.  I don’t like a gang-up.  But with AM, I'm so glad she’s being ganged-up on.  Even by the ASA!  She’s just so nasty.  Even if she did it to be “in” with Kyle, which is pathetic, she still deserves this.

I can guarantee that Nicole Martin and Tiffany Moon never watched an episode of the RH BH, otherwise they would know Annemarie didn't say she was a doctor, but they made comments because of media reports of what Crystal claimed AM said. And I'm afraid the ASA had the same second hand information.

Edited February 20 by ZettaK

[Keywestclubkid]

2 hours ago, ZettaK said:

But she didn't exaggerate her credentials. She never said on the show, or her social media that she is a doctor. Crystal claimed she said she was a doctor, but she could have misunderstood. Crystal also claimed that she never said the other women are uneducated and superficial, but Bravo showed clips where she did. She also accused Sutton for two seasons of being racist ("you don't see color?"), and she doubled down by saying she said something "dark".

 

She does the same as an anesthesiologist. Tasks of a nurse anesthetist and an anesthesiologist below.

And an anesthesiologist doesn't even have to cut.

ONE is an actual medical doctor that went to medical school there is a difference 

[Keywestclubkid]

10 hours ago, ZettaK said:

I can guarantee that Nicole Martin and Tiffany Moon never watched an episode of the RH BH, otherwise they would know Annemarie didn't say she was a doctor, but they made comments because of media reports of what Crystal claimed AM said. And I'm afraid the ASA had the same second hand information.

Again no she is on an after show talking about it and that’s what the ASA was responding to.. to imply that she has the same credentials while  ONE is a actual MD that graduated medical school is a bold face lie…

 

also Both Nicole and Tiffany were responding to her diagnosis (when she shouldnt be diagnosing at all) of a patient that wasn’t hers that wasnt asking for a medical opinion and who was telling Sutton her issue wasn’t “real” while doing a shitty bedside manner(which is exactly what Nicole explained in her video, while in Tiffany’s she was debunking anna8.5 saying that what Sutton has wasn’t real and explaining what exactly might be going on.. never once did they say anything about her “profession” just what she was doing and how she was handling it was flat out wrong from a medical stand point )..

 

A medical professional is supposed advocate for their patients or anyone sick

…you don’t tell them they are liars and then imply that they must have an eating disorder instead and you don’t run around laughing that you asked all your friends and they say she’s lying when a simple google search proves that indeed Sutton was correct 

Edited February 20 by Keywestclubkid

[Keywestclubkid]

Proof anna8.5 has insinuated and actually flat out said she IS  a Doctor ON tape .. she is now splitting hairs here.. I believe 100% she told Crystal she was a Doctor without clarifying that it’s not a MD then had to backtrack .. she is not a licensed Medical DOCTOR.. she did not go to medical school .. and she herself doesn’t have the doctrine that she is claiming to have .. nurses next year will HAVE to have it to but she didn’t and doesn’t And its STILL isnt the same thing has being a MD… she’s gotta stop …

Edited March 1 by Keywestclubkid